The Rugby Pod Blast Eddie Jones after Wallabies Disaster | Wales V Australia Analysis RWC 2023 

Stephen Larkham is currently the coach of the ACT Brumbies, the only team that holds its own against the New Zealand rugby teams within Super Rugby. He's a World Cup winner with over 100 caps. More than anything, he understands the history and culture of Australian rugby and played in an era when Australia was consistently the number one team in the world. If anything, this man deserves an opportunity.

Hard to believe eddie was once a teacher the way he acts and treats people

Cheers boys !! First rugby pod or reaction video that I've seen to actually give Wales some credit 👍👍

Not picking Hooper and Cooper was wrong, and let’s be honest that’s without hindsight. We all said it. A team needs leaders, there weren’t any on that pitch for Auz. EJ seems to have declined massively since 2019, no idea what’s happened. Maybe there’s something going on behind the scenes we aren’t privy to? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Andy Goode imitating Steve Borthwick cracks always cracks me up🤣🤣

Here's some news for anyone who cares. Chairman McLennan and Eddie haven't spoken for weeks, despite Hamish chasing him and moving to stab Rennie in the back and firing him over zoom. These are two big personalities and what started as a rosie relationship has collided on numerous occasions. I know Eddie had an assistant call Hoops first and when they eventually did chat he just said to him 'fitness mate', despite Hoops saying he'd be good to go by the warm-up match against France. He then went and selected a bunch of injured players. EJ has a get-out clause plus a performance clause in his contract and I'm told he's done. That said, McLennan, the architect of this chaos is standing firm and saying he will 'fix this mess'. The players are distraught and are not sure who is running what at the moment. Senior players who have been left out of the squad are saying Eddie has fed the inexperienced team to the wolves. Sadly for our overseas mates, I'm not sure you ever appreciate Rugby is by far the fourth winter sport in Australia. AFL is an absolute behemoth across the country, incredibly well run and heaps of cash, rugby league is massive on the east coast and can cherry-pick the best junior rugby talent and every kid essentially starts playing soccer. The game simply cannot compete in the talent war, the marketing war of the financial war. Here is Aus we look at the footy talent in league and AFL and if we had 10% of that player group, we're another All Blacks without question, but we missed that opportunity to imbed the game at grassroots level over 20 years ago. The horse has bolted and is across the Nullabor now... I've been in many meetings recently with RA and they are flat broke, have no vision, they don't even know what to do, we have a sinking ship, Eddie has looked inside the tent, which is why he's grabbed his parachute with the Japan chat. Sadly, there are not many lifeboats left. All our super rugby franchises are near broke, we're about to have a mass exodus of experienced players, private equity is a dead duck and the game is looking to borrow significant cash to try and arrest the ongoing decay and funnel into holding some talent. Poor buggers in the marketing department at RA (2 people) have to try and sell Lions packages later this year. Can you believe it? Laugh at our demise if you want but there are damn good people here in Aus who make the game great, genuine characters and like every country salt of the earth folks who have devoted their life to the game. We've had unbelievable mismanagement for two decades and it's been more the aussie spirit and punching above our weight that has glossed over our failed structure. The loss to Wales may possibly bring the aggressive change we need down here but don't hold your breath. Lots happening behind the scenes but we genuinely need other nations to support us because the national part of rugby is our key differential from the other footy codes.

Thank you, Jim, for admitting that you were wrong in stating that Wales would finish 4th in their group.

The Latham, Mortlock, Far Jones, Aussie rugby generation is to me still the best rugby team that existed. And I'm a South African. Poetry in motion.

Eddie has done more good for Welsh rugby in 80 minutes than he did for England in the last 3 years

Australian Rugby is broken. Australia is now a Tier 2 Rugby nation. Why? 20 years of neglect by the ARU. NOT one current Wallaby would make world 15 or second or third World 15. Australia just does not have the quality of players to compete Internationally. Sacking Eddie is just a side issue and distraction.

Andy Goode - spot on.

Us vs the world mentality doesn't work anymore. Look at France - their unity in their squad is their strength

The Australian public lost enthusiasm for rugby a long time ago and I don't believe that's necessarily an indictment of the ARU. It all started slowly going downhill for Australia the minute rugby turned professional in the 90s. Before it was professional, our skinny and lean private school boys could cut it with the best. Most private school boys go on to be white collar workers, not athletes. A lot of your ex Wallabies from the 90s and early 2000s are banking and corporate executives. I've seen Phil Waugh on a few banking town hall zoom meetings. As world rugby got more professional, everyone except us got bigger, stronger and more athletic. So we had to begin poaching NRL players like Sailor, Rogers and Tuqiri. Everyone at the time thought that this was a big statement from the ARU in Australia, but it was really just masking a very fundamental problem that would take 20 years to smack us in the face. Our private school talent just can't compete with the world anymore. It also hasn't helped (us) that rugby has generally become a lot more boring to watch, so there won't be any interest to drive grassroots participation. That's all swallowed up by football, AFL and NRL. And if kids aren't playing union then they won't watch it on tv, and then when there's less union to watch because it's not rating well, then less kids are going to see it and want to play. The ARU can only do so much, and with their backs so hopelessly against the wall, what chance do they have either? How are they going to sell this game to the Australian public? The current they are being expected to swim against is too strong.

You cut Rennies throat and let old mate come in,ARU just destroyed the Wallabies brand,which made AFL and Rugby League and Football even more stronger on the back of this Jones led dumpster fire

Just how lucky were England to sack him. If he walks and takes on a coaching role in Japan 1. It doesn’t look good for Japanese future progress. 2. Extremely bad for EJ in his recent denial of contact with JRFU. He is totally toxic character. Cant see ANY players wanting to run through walls for him.

I miss the Aussies. They need to get back to being what they were. SA Cape Town. We need the Southern competition in tact.

First time I've seen a bit of praise for Wales.Thanks guys they deserve it

We have been nose diving for the last 20 years. We need a board room clear out and a new home grown coach.

As an Irish fan, wouldn't want it to happen, but (if they have the cash) Aus should do the double wammy - Andy Friend (yes) but also Nucifora..... both Aussies....

Anscombe always had undoubtable quality just a shame how much he’s been hindered by injuries, priceless in this wales squad too with the lack of depth at outside half as no offence to Costello but the drop off between Biggar and him is huge

Andy friend.. his name is coming up a bit... i like it

What odds can I get on Australia still getting through and then winning the World Cup, mate?

Friend and David Nucifora

I cannot describe how satisfying that win was knocking Australia out in the pools coached by Eddie Jones in that way. Not bad for a nation Eddie Jones described as " sh!t little country of three million people" eh.

ARU needs an ENEMA!!

Your right Australia has bigger issues than just Eddie Jones, its the ARU chairmen Hamish McLennan who sacked Rennie and put him in place 8 months out of a world cup that idea is just stupidly insane! Eddie knows only one way to coach a team, start form scratch with a full rebuild and new style, sadly it just does not work in 8 months out of a world cup. The squad the Wallabies had last year under Rennie that toured Europe in Spring which was not even at full strength would have easily made the quarter finals under Rennie. Hamish McLennan needs to be held accountable! I disagree with your comment Aussies did not take Rennie well, thats not true a lot of Aussie were impressed with last years results with a weak squad against France and Ireland and NZ.

And as an objective view, as a Welsh supporter. If we get Argentina, that game will be super super super tough. A positive for us, if we get Ireland: we know we can beat them (as in, we have in the 6N not a million years ago). That said, Ireland will want us out due to us kicking them out about 3 World cups ago. I can't believe I'd say this, because this is how good I think Ireland are, but I'd fancy Wales more against NZ.... how crazy is that. Also partly because we have a win 'coming' against them (we've come very close many times before). Wondering what Gats will do for Georgia. A tough tough game. Im personally hoping he rotates massively and we just get the win. That would give some players almost 3 weeks of rest until the quarter final! Let's see how the momentum swings!

I listened to Jone's audiobook recently. I suppose it was a pretty good reference manual for managers starting out in the real / corporate world, but I was left with the impression that he has sucked up a whole load of academic management courses and now tries to manage by numbers, which leads to no individuality/style/natural charisma, and therefore, players (and some staff members) will see through it, leaving him with the anger card to play.

Stirling Mortlock came out strongly in support of Jones.

Obviously the Australian players were unable to use a bottle too to condition’ the ball.

Lions tour will be a walkover with this Aussie team. Gatland will get another crack I reckon.

Great podcast and it it nice to hear you guys praising us Welsh too. First pod cast that has done it, that I have heard, was great to listen too.

Didn’t have to be brilliant to know the whole Eddie thing was wrong.. and would end in tears. He tries to be a genius but he’s just an idiot. Got lucky a couple of times.

Rugby Union is a minority sport in Australia. Rugby league and Australian no rules football take preference.

Andy Friend is a hell of a human being and a great coach.

His World Cup record is a series of ‘Nearly there.’ His narcissistic character is fine to a point, but his character does not allow for personal expression. I want to see personal expression of a player demonstrated on the pitch and turning a game. Only so much of a match can be planned for and muscled out. That tends to be rather boring. South Africa for example. I know it takes a special sort of manager to allow his team to express their individual talents. They are the men that need to be discovered. From there let it evolve. George Best/ Barry John did not need plans and schemes. They had vision and talent which most of us cannot begin to imagine. The system is crushing the potential of those guys of today and tomorrow. Rugby needs to find them and let the breath.

He’s been on a down curve for 4 years with the exception of two wins in Australia. He’s been crap since last Rwc. Zero surprises same old Eddie jones.

Nick Tompkins is one of the most underrated players in world rugby. His work rate is unreal

They are talking about this as if the draw isn't arseways.

Maybe Eddie Jones was exactly what Australian Rugby Union needed to get their bell rung and start thinking about the future more seriously. On the other hand if Australia wants to be a league and Australian Rules footy country, so be it. Sadly the world of rugby will be poorer for it, but you can't force australians to like union and it seems they've made their choice.

I find it interesting that these guys have a certain take on Eddie Jones. Right or wrong. But if you watch GBRA podcast with Giteau, Drew Mitchell and Adam Ashley Cooper. They'd run through walls for the fella. (Barring Drew's hungover outburst last week lol!!)

Great show gents, thanks

It feels like auz rugby is where SA rugby was in 2017. So focused on the top percent that could win the big games that they ignored the 80% that puts them there to contend. Australia has massive talent, and it makes me angry that the the world is being deprived of it. Maybe a reset is needed from the coaching and aus rugby in general? You can’t push a young team into a World Cup with no experience, they need leaders on the field who can help dictate the game. Cooper is one of the best and could carry a team past their mark for example. I also think this is not all Eddie, the team is not an island and I think his staff failed the team. If you can’t call out bad choices at ground level, why are you in you position? This is not a call out to anyone in particular, but if your job (for example) is to make sure your front pack is making ground and winning ball, you too have to fight for what you believe is correct, even if it’s against a big name like Eddie. Aussies know how to play rugby. The staff know how to coach, just do your job man.. The world deserves a strong wallaby team!!!

If eddie goes and he should then Hamish McLennan needs to go as well. I would hate a new coach to come in with McLennan still there

Of any team outside the top three I think Wales would give Ireland the toughest game, they're playing great rugby. Oh and I'm Irish.

I think this result has been overblown. They are a very young team and I do not think the true worth of this team of this team will be realized until the next World Cup.

IMO its a shared blame between players and coach. And top brass.

Bottom line he's been out coached by how many coach's?

I'd take Eddie here in the states!

Thank you for praising Wales :)

Eddie is a narcissistic bully which eventually caught up with him......con-man

I'm glad to have had a beer with the great rugby coach Eddie Jones in Samoa. He is the 1st pair of lips that put the Bullying reporters in their place especially the annoying bloody poms! All reporters who tried to expose any untruth or stigma on the man gets rips to pieces right there & then live on the microphone ha ha ha. Eddie Jones knows all the ins &outs of rugby coaching on the top level. To prove that he helped improve heaps of Aussie ruggers, Japanese, Sth Africans, English, he's now re-starting rugby coaching rounds again with the same sharp tougue. He never apply for a coaching job but gets approached & picked by each nation he coaches. He makes more money than all the reporters who got the sharp end of his half Japanese and half Aussie piercing tongue! Just say Eddie Jones to any reporter & watch them scream!!!!!

the thing that surprises me is how long it`s taken for so many people to realise what a toxic little man Eddie is!........... team environments desperately need to be positive and honest . Eddie set back England a decade with his enormous ego and several brilliant players have looked bang average ever since (Itoji , Jamie George , Dailey , May ,Curry etc , and he gave out caps like confetti to players like Farrel and Youngs purely on historical performances and not on actual form , all the while leaving out players like Willis and Simmonds who were premiership and European players of the year at the time. He should`ve gone 2 years ago at least. And now it`s the poor poor Aussies that are having to suffer! the world needs to see them on form I`m not sure if Borthwick is the right man for the job but the scale of the mountain left behind by Eddie`s legacy at least deserves some time and patience oh! and this really hurts to say but.......... well done Wales (christ i might have to go and be a bit sick)

Nice play from Wales. The Northern hemisphere is playing winning Rugby. It's efficient, ruthless, no bullshit. Down here, in Oz and NZ, we're still obsessed with running the ball from everywhere. It's nice to know we can create a bit of magic, but the reality is, the interchange rules nowadays have significantly decreased our ability to run our opponents forwards into the ground. Our lineouts, and set-phases are inconsistent. We can't kick for touch with accuracy to relieve pressure, or get better field position. Moreover, lo and behold, if we decide to play smart Rugby - aka using drop and penalty kicks to keep the scoreboard ticking over, it's a bit risky if we'll be accurate enough. The days of dazzling first five playmakers, with equal kicking ability/prowess running game, hasn't been seen since Carter down here. It's like we're trying to recreate lightening in a bottle. We need to revert back to the Grant Fox and Mike Lynagh, type First-fives, reliable, consistent, accurate.

Welsh supporter here. I think it is clear Goode has a personal, totally unobjective vendetta against Eddie Jones. To think he can call George Gregan bias 😂 This ENTIRE episode's purpose was to stroke Goode's ego. My opinion: Yes, Eddie Jones has to go but there are so many more structural issues in the Australian Rugby Union that need fixing. Ultimately, I do think this was probably coming but please let's never hear Goode chunter on and on and on again.

100% on the money boys with your thoughts on eddie jones. POOR TACTICS, LACK OF EXECUTION, POOR DECISION MAKING ON THE FIELD, SELECTION OMISSIONS OF AMAZING PLAYERS.....LOTS OF RUBBISH FROM EDDIE. the EXECUTIVES in the australian rugby union who installed him as coach need to go as well and NOW. the australian rugby union chronically make poor decisions. this is australian rugbys problem the management board....! australia under dave rennie was on the rise and would have took australia at least to the semis in this world cup.

Eddie takes the blame but the fact is that Australian rugby has gone backwards for more than a decade now. They simply don't have the channels coming through like they used to. It's the system, its not Eddie. The sooner you realize that the better your rugby will get back on track.

So Bill Sweeney knows what he's doing, does he? How long did it take him to actually sack Eddie Jones? And look who he replaced him with. Yeah, fantastic choice. England now playing the most boring rugby in the competition. And as for bigging Wales up after this win - they played perhaps the worst side in the tournament. The worst Oz team in living memory and for the bounce of a ball in the last minute would have lost to Fiji when they were well clear with fifteen minutes to go. Australia made Wales look half-decent in much the same way Argentina did for England.

What about promoting Stephen Larkham from the Brumbies to the top job?

Goode is a goose

I think Japan will pick foster

It's going to go 2 ways for EJ, either his time is up and he be long gone, or the redemption arch in 4 years time. I have a feeling if he's given the 4 years to the next world cup, I wouldn't doubt EJ contending and proving everyone wrong. It will be his last opportunity. It's either going to end in a fairy-tale or complete failure, being known as the head coach who can get to world cup finals but always falling on the last hurdle. Time will tell... The game desperately needs Australia, I hope for the games sake they get back to contending with the big boys, same for England.

As a Wales fan its so weird hearing all the praise for their performance from all the pundits, usually when "we" win its in an arm wrestle that we nearly end up fucking up but this was as complete I've seen them play since VS England in '13

In fairness, hes told us why he was brought in and what he's doing. Explained what that involves, which we all know it does, but everyone's judging him as if that doesn't exist & isn't the reality of the situation. Its funny. Sorry lads, but this sounds biased from Mr. Goode who played for England, who were the last team Eddie coached. Hes been brought in to do a shitty job, that job wasnt to win a world cup, it was to redo the team from ground up, complete restart. We all know that doesn't win you world cups, so there's nothing to talk about really unless ya just want to pile on Eddie Jones. The notion that any country has an automatic right to a certain level in competitions is a bit arrogant for any country who thinks it anyway, Itill come good for them with or without Eddie in a bit of time.

I would go even further. EJ started the Wallabies taking shortcuts, light props that couldn't scrum etc. Instead of doing the hard work, the Wallabies have taken the easy road ever since and paid dearly. Time to rebuild and do it tough.

Please leave in place, great for other international countries, mate.

There are 17 NRL clubs (all with more money) recruiting all the junior talent in Oz. Union is played in a handful of the private schools in NSW & Qld. League recruit the best talent from those same private schools and all the public schools. I couldn't name you a single player in the Aus Union team!! They are the fish John West rejected. No one watches (it's not on free to air, its on Stan) no one plays the sport. It will not change, it will only get worst

what a shame

Wales looks really bad in the 6 nations, Australia looked good around that time. How times change quick.

Totally agree. Andy Friend would be great choice.

Cymro here - that was a team against individuals...Australia's leaders were left behind in Australia

Unpopular opinion? And the last thing I want to happen. But Australia's best coach to get: Warren Gatland.

So Australian media has had it with Eddie Jones, it wasn't that Wales were oh so much better. 😅

Before the first half ended the aussie players couldnt be assed to run back into their half to get the ball, thats not the coaches fault

Gatland should use this as his swansong. Steadied the ship & having ok World Cup but the players haven’t changed too much from his last tenure or Pivac reign. He’s just simplified game plan, he’s not revolutionised Welsh rugby

Do you guys realise in the last 2weeks all 4 Rugby heavyweights of the South ( NZ, S.A., AUS, Argentina) was beaten by rivals from North at this world cup.France beat NZ, Eng beat Arg, Ireland beat S.A., And Wales beat AUS.

I don't understand this "we need Australia to be good" line? Why? We don't need anyone to be good. Rugby wont die if Australia is poor. The game is evolving. Georgia, Portugal and Uruguay have improved in the past decade. They will get better. Powers will shift. If Australia, or anyone else, falls by the wayside, so be it.

The sooner Rugby Australia can get Friend and Nucifora back running a centralised system the better. RA has stated it want to adopt a centralised system (like the one Nucifra took to and implemented in Ireland). There's no way a bloke like Eddie, who goes through assistant coaches like hot dinners, has the capacity to manage the collaborative effort to get Australian rugby on the same path. If it's too expensive to get rid of Eddie, change his role and put him in charge of an exhibition Aussie Baa Baas XV where he can test out his experimental game plans against teams up and down the country (like the Harlem Globetrotters) with Campo as co-coach.

Jim is absolutely spot on about Eddie. He's still a human being so let's not celebrate his demise too much. That said, Aus is hosting the next world cup so the HAVE to get their business in order before then otherwise no one in the country will care.

I used to support Eddie (I'm an Aussie) - never again...he needs to go

This is three balls trying to scratch each other.

I make another prediction Jones to be sacked replaced by larkham...including sacking half of the Australian rugby board staring from the boss...target 2027 world cup .

Never mind about Eddie jones, wales were awesome stopped Australia every part of there game plan . Wales not good enough to win the world cup but we're building again, after the world cup we lose 3 key players bigger, williams and aschome gats got a job to replace them players, but sure he's plans ...

Love this podcast

I agree everything's you had just said. This is the first time the Wallabies team back home early under the coach name Eddie Jones. Australia makes big mistake about Rennie. Sack Jones and look for another good coach.

Ronan o gara for new Australia coach?

I personally think the Wallabies lost on purpose just to see Eddie kicked out - oh sorry "resigned" - his agenda was "I've been fired by England, I have a gap year, Japan is looking for a coach after the world cup - Dave Rennies been fired, let me take a $$$$ gig with Australia for a year, screw it up, get fired or resign and blame the ARU and get more $$ with Japan who only want to maybe make the 1/4 finals in the next world cup - such a loser

12:25 🤣🤣

Goodey is looking absolutely gorgeous but god the man knows it.

Stuart Lancastet?

Hopefully we’ve seen the last of EJ… I don’t think any team would hire him for the next World Cup, even a tier 2.

What a shame! A rugby union power house reduced to this. They need to rebuild from grassroots level because most of the young talent in Oz head to League.

In Eddie’s defence (and I only have one comment in his defence): they didn’t sack the captain while the Titanic was sinking, did they?

Yeah, Eddie destroyed Australian Rugby in one fell swoop! Hope he enjoyed the croissants on his journey, maaate. They never should've gotten rid of Rennie. One could actually see the development under his reign. Well done to Wales, though. They were ruthless!

The rot in Australian Rugby is at the top, with the likes of McLennan. Australian Rugby does have a hard road ahead, regardless. With a dwindling following after years of neglect of grassroots club football and mishandling of higher level competition, Rugby Australia has an enormous amount to answer for. It's a bloated organisation in which execs make disastrous decisions without consultation or consequence. Australian Rugby has a wealth of former world class players who could be contributing to organisational decision making surrounding coach appointments.

love or hate Eddie Jones he's doing what Australian rugby needs. A complete and utter overhaul. Bar not taking Michael Hooper taking a young team was exactly what Australia needed. The wallabies have been irrelevant for 2 decades and you're expecting a coach to come and do the same expecting different results? Steven Hoiles should be the next wallabies coach if anyone. Just took Randwick to their first Shute shield in two decades.

I heard Eddie Jones was successful in Japan and UK by setting the clear objective and establishing the order. In other word, his approach was authoritarian and it worked. I guess the way he organizes the team doesn’t fit current rugby🤔

I think Rugby Australia is all to blame for this! Dave rennie would've taken the wallabies to the knockout stages. Eddie made some bizarre choices with his player selections but the problem starts from grassroots. Not growing the game properly there so australia going to be in trouble for awhile

Our resident wales fan had plenty to say on Mr Jones 😳 hear his RANT here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NkbWOT0AQO8.htmlsi=CP4FG7FTeoCIsGGD

Eddie Jones is the Jose Mourinho of rugby. His time is gone.