"The Rumble in the Jungle" Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman 30.10.1974 

Norbert Albertz 5

True dat

Absolutely.

Benar

George Foreman was a POS person. NOW he’s liked but he was hated in his prime for being a bad person

@37:55 quick accurate combinations, Ali tagging GF with accurate stinging combinations

Looked like a model, fought like a beast. They say no one is perfect. Ali was a perfect specimen!

Thing is, he was the one they couldn't knock out. Best chin of any boxer who could also dish out enough to beat them.

You can't be so sure. The hunger, speed, power, viciousness and boxing IQ that a young, still trained by Cus Tyson, would have gave Ali all he could handle. You can say he beat Liston, Frazier, Foreman etc of course but I can say Spinks, Frazier and Norton gave him trouble and beat him too. Similarly to Tyson, Ali lost a chunk of his prime and did the bulk of his losing after his hiatus and Mike after his prison stint. Mike only ever lost to Buster Douglas in the upset of all upsets where he took him extremely lightly, apparently had clamydia and his groin was burning all match and he had run into a buzzsaw of a man possessed in Buster, who lost his ailing mother 3 weeks prior and she had told him he would win it. If prime Tyson fought prime Ali, it's most definitely not a foregone conclusion. I think Tyson has a good a chance as any to deal with Alis strengths and not get psyched out by his antics. Most people were already beat before they stepped into the ring against either all time great. Tyson lost some luster after Cus' death because he started partying and doing drugs and wholly becoming consumed with fame and fortune. Had that not been the case, clearly he also wouldn't have went to jail either and I'd say could've held up well for another 5-8 or so years comfortably on top. The old Tyson would have frustrated both Holyfield and Lewis too and each of those guys were all time as well that at their best would have given Ali a tough time as well. Tyson was special in that he truly had it all. He was and actually remains to this day, a very devoted student of the game. Really a professorial type grasp on the intricacies, strategies, history and essence of the sweet science that few have ever had, do currently or will ever. If you've not heard him talking boxing, give it a listen. He lived, are, slept, breathed boxing and Cus corralled his strength, aggression, insecurities, feelings of loneliness, a sense of being and gave him direction. He was totally lost after that and slowly started to show decay and rust as he leaned into his celebrity status and partying lifestyle and away from training etc. His ego was part of it too. Cus would tell him m he was the greatest and gave a young boy confidence to do what he did. After that, people like Robin Givens, Don King and other nefarious people who had no interest in his place in the history of boxing were the types he surrounded himself with. Mike was too immature and unready to face the world by himself and nobody else could bridle the beast. Many forget just how dominant Mike was, how young he was and how feared and seemingly indestructible he was. Many folks wouldn't even step in the ring. So no, it's not a foregone conclusion that Ali beats him, not by a longshot. I think Foreman, Liston, Norton, Spinks, Frazier could have been beaten by Mike too. What could have been in both cases will never be known but to speak so definitively is foolish.

That’s right! When this fight took place Foreman was in his prime. 25 years old. Ali was no longer in his prime at 32. If Ali had fought Foreman in His prime, he would have knocked Foreman out! And with no Rope a Dope!!

Tyson was nothing like foreman or Liston, he was powerful and fast and hard to hit, in fact he was a lot like Frazier but better and we all know all the problems Frazer gave Ali. I just can’t see Ali winning a fight against Tyson.

@@gumpy4960 When Ali fought Frazier, Ali was no longer in his prime. I’m not going to compare Ali/Frazier fight to a prime Ali and Prime Tyson. Tyson was good and strong. Ali was good, strong, (not strong looking, but strong) and he had lightening fast speed. He’d frustrate Tyson, wear him out and Ali would have won by points. Tyson said it himself. No one beats Ali.

@40:38 the dancing master with tremendous hand speed...GOAT

I think liston was scary man

@@nixon9346 without question. I read that opponents would literally be shaking in their corner when he came into the ring. Floyd Patterson couldn't even look at him when they met in the center of the ring before their fights.

Foreman seemed to be carrying his left hand low not expecting the right hand lead

Joe was "why stay on the rops?" Now Joe knows. Then "Why George throwing all wide need to shorten his punches up, don't need to throw all wide like that."

Yeah, I also watched it with my family as a teen. We were all surprised to see him come out, go toe-to-toe with the man who flattened Smokin' Joe, and come out ahead in round 1, rather than dancing and keeping his distance, as one would have expected.. We then sensed we were seeing boxing history unfold right before our eyes.

In my opinion, he was at his peak in terms of hand speed, shape, and reflexes in the 2nd frazier fight after the ban which was 10 months before this fight

Guys, check Ali vs Cleveland Williams. This was by far the best version of Ali ever seen. 66’

@@mickyzzzeee Oh, yes, that was an *awesome* show of force. Hard to imagine anyone ever beating him on that night.

@@ballhawk387 you can’t help but watch that fight and just smile. Beautiful to watch

@@mickyzzzeee Indeed. The artistry! This is why it's called the "sweet science".

On point. Ali adjusted on the fly when he fought Mildenberger, whose southpaw style was giving Ali lots of problems, until he realized his circling to the left was playing into it. Then he circled to the right, and did the same thing he did to righties.

I agree with you, but then George Foreman became champion of the world at 45! Which shouldnt be ignored.

absolutely!! I too remember the build up Ali was given no chance .Ill never forget turning the radio on in the early hours and hearing the news that he won against all the odds.For me the greatest sporting moment

Even Ali's friend, Howard Cossel said good bye to Ali, because he believed Ali will be finished.

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Osman Saleh amin

intelligent ali

Martin Hill yeah foreman become good man efter this fight

@@libaanofficiall7027 after the jimmy young fight*

Yea man Ali broke him n his ego , foreman was badass before that

@@jjs7396 foreman became humble when he get older

Thanks to Ali. Even Foreman said Ali beat the devil out of him!

Joe Frazier he was the best at the time Frazier knocked out ali so

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Foreman was blindsided, Ali taunted big George the whole time leading up to the fight, in the media, calling George slow, mummy just basically killing George's psyche. Masterful tactician and strategist.

@@aarondigby5054 - And Ali met with an African ~"which doctor" and told Forman they put a curse on him. Forman also got cut above the eye sparring just before the fight (if I recall correctly) which caused them to have to push the fight back a month I think. Forman hated the food over there. Whereas Ali went jogging through the streets there to stay in shape and became friends with the people. That is when they came up with the phrase "Ali bumbayé" which meant Ali Kill him. And they started chanting that during the fight. So Forman was like a fish out of water and uncomfortable etc. And I believe it was close to 100 degrees the day of the fight.

Do u have any doubts

Joe Frazier caught Hell in the ring with George Foreman...

thats right

Exactly. He was ahead on all of the judge's scorecards 4-2-1, 3-0-4 and 4-1-2. Ali counter-attacking from the ropes in every round was doing damage throughout the fight.

You are so right. Looking at this fight again , he was rope a doping him but he scored in spots. Foreman explains it like he was just laying the entire time on the ropes. He outboxed and used all of the boxer's tricks to beat the younger stronger fighter. I mean he had Archie Moore in his corner who should have warned him.

Ali wasn't taking punishment, he had a strategy

DIsmayedConfuse that's what Ali did to Forman.

@@youtoo2233 You can't profess to understand boxing, while claiming Ali wasn't taking punishment all in the same breathe. Strategic or not Foreman was hitting to the body, arms, hips, it's punishing regardless. George was a brutal puncher. Those shots, sure as shit, didn't tickle.

Frank philipp,wow that is so cool.

I was 13 and went to bed on Saturday night pretty much convinced that Ali had no chance. My mouth was agape on Sunday morning when I read that Ali had KO'd the indestructible Foreman. That fight and the "Miracle on Ice" were the two sporting moments in my life that I was literally left speechless.

Ali vs Inoki is not worth watching. Its not a real boxing match and there are hardly any punches thrown. A sad display of greed by promotors and managers which has nothing to do with the sweet science.

Me Ali the people Champs

He forgot his Plans because of Ali's strategy to confuse the monster.

Imagine if Ali had not been denied fighting licence between 67 to 70 what he would have done to the likes of Frazier and Nortons.

You just couldn't compare interms of monumental upset though. Because a coming back Ali was a little smaller and older than Foreman. And Ali ko'd him the first time around, where on the other hand Fury was younger and and taller and heavier then Wilder . the order wasn't as tall of a task as Ali and Foreman! The metaphysical Supernatural Muhammad Ali name will always be synonymous with big fights in boxing.

Good catch

How dare you mention Floyd boy in the same breath as Ali.... deserves a flogging !!!! Lol

haha