The Runescape "Rich Man Mindset" (OSRS) 

#RMM

I just do what I want while playing OSRS. I catch 100 chins. If I get bored, I do some zulrah for 3 kills. This hyper efficiency mindset is burning out people asap

Gnome before max: I try to stretch my gp to the fullest extent Gnome now: fuck it we ball

One thing people often forget is that this is a video game. HAVE FUN. If doing a method with a high opportunity cost that saves you pennies is enjoyable, then fuck it who cares. Life doesn’t revolve around money, runescape doesn’t revolve around gp.

I feel like once you get to this level, for 9 out of 10 people this stops being a game and becomes a job you don't get paid for

If you have this mindset, wouldn't you never do any in-game moneymaking, because working even a modest job and converting your wage to bonds is better GP/hr than Nex?

I disagree with this mindset. You should play how you want to play. Constantly pushing players to play in maximum efficiency is what leads to burnouts and worst part is, it ruins the game experience for many. It's a game - you should have fun with it.

It’s so easy to be incredibly inefficient with your time on rs because of the sheer amount of content and variation. It is essential to be conscious of what is worth your time. On the other side of things, it’s so easy to ruin your rs experience by treating it as a job rather than a game.

pure moneymaking to me is like one of the most boring things i could do in osrs. i would just burn out if i had to spam vork mindlessly to justify doing faster training methods. the "rich man mindset" often isnt aplicable if you factor in fun into the game EDIT: vorkath is obviously just an example, i have max melee and absolutly hate slayer. so i might as well do hydra or cg. i could also learn to do raids. my clan occasionaly does stuff like corp events.... all of this is basicly just pure moneymaking and im just not interested in it. all i wanna do is max out my account and do collection log content post max and that results in me doing magic longs for fletching atm instead of some sweaty ddarts while doing agility for example because this would be terribly unfun to me. dont get pinpointed at the exact wording/methods of my comment but rather the concept to get an idea on how i play my account: i got my achievment diary cape before any 99 i think (maybe str/hp combats) - while i use mostly efficient methods, nobody needs to tell me that this wasnt the proper way to train slayer and i sure as hell did most my skilling in a way that granted me money instead of losing if possible. while im in most highscores my highest non slayer boss is like 150 vork (only because i acually did a task there) or something from combat achievments. for a very long time my account was poor af (i use gp for all my bonds since day 1) but im still like 2/3 to 1b without a rich mans mindset that does a lot of moneymakers

I can’t get enough of these videos! So well articulated and concise.

I came to this conclusion on my own main journey. And I found personally that the mindset haunted me and kept me from enjoying playing most of the game. I didn't have to do certain pieces of content because I had other efficient gp/h methods. Why kill wildy bosses? You get ragged and it's worse gp than vorkath. Why kill zulrah? Vorkath is better. That's why I made an iron. Now I have to explore the entire game to get the items I need instead of following the best gp/h. I need to get a dpick in the wild despite it's 1 hour of vorkath on a main. Now I need to learn zulrah because I need her weapons. Tldr: efficient gpscape killed my joy so I made an iron

yea this mindset being put into a GAME is what kills it for me. well bro you can make 10$ a hour at Wendy's. that's like 50m a hour. why even play rs just go work Wendy's.

My main disagreement with this concept is that ever since I started playing, I've consistently made more money from flipping than from PVM or ingame activities. For that reason, it's been beneficial for me to cheap out on gear and instead keep a good chunk of my money in the market. That might change now that I'm approaching the levels for Alchemical Hydra but just saying, for some people this might be a consideration

Disagree with the herb run thing. It's more of a irl deal at the higher levels. I do my Herb run/ birdhouse run in the morning while drinking coffee. No time to boss or what not. But enough time to make that 300k

Don't be hating on herb runs. They are probably one of the best money makers if you don't have much time to play on a daily basis or what not with mobile. Because work or whatever. You can easily fit one in during your lunch or a smoke break at work. That's an extra 1.2M a week (Assuming 5 days a week and only do runs on your break) with more if you can fit more in throughout the day. I was able to fit like 4-5 runs a day at my last job (During my commute to work and back home. Then unpaid lunch break, and I also got 2 more paid breaks throughout the day). My cash stack just slowly grew up over weeks and weeks.

Gnome I love your content and appreciate your succinct explanations, but 4 years ago me would've had his mind blown listening to this. I'd want to stress to anybody especially new players that this is a high tiered player mindset. Play the game how you want to and enjoy yourself. If you're a meticulous planner; go ahead. But the GP and love for the grind comes in time for most I feel.

Most of this only really applies if you're planning to go for wild goals, because otherwise spending hours exclusively moneymaking represents a cost of losing your fun time, but definitely something for dedicated players to keep in mind.

This mind set is what made me start an Ironman and now I never play my main

It's like the concept of fun doesn't even exist!

I’m doing oak dungeon doors RIGHT NOW going from 84-99 (currently 95) and that 350K xp/hr is grossly low. Even when I’m falling asleep, watching a show, or fucking up constantly I’m getting 400k minimum. Usually though, I average 500K+

Don’t sleep on mobile herb runs when you’re away form your computer

Disagree with the herb runs. I do them on mobile while at work, as I don’t like doing other content on mobile, so it can be efficent to get 1m a day rather than not playing at all

IMO this is a dangerous mindset that assumes you have near infinite time to dump into the game. If you rack up tons of cost, you still need the associated hours to do vorkath or whatever “efficient money maker” you’re able to do. Some people aren’t able to commit that much time to a video game and/or are not going to grind their efficient boss for hours and hours to make up for the cost. Just my two cents. This mindset makes more sense when applied IRL, not towards a hobby.

I get the point about herb runs, but its not like I would do them instead of grinding vorkath or w/e. I do them when im chilling and doing something else and cant pay full attention to the game.

This entire video is basically saying "you should play ironman if you want to enjoy the game for what it is, If you want to play a cookie clicker/tycoon game, play on a main and only do the most efficient methods possible"

I just play for collection log its really a fun way to play imo

cmon man I just got my bank set up for herb runs and you drop this shit

I like to jump around I have done some faster gp methods but I find it's better not to burn out by switching it up.

something that goes along with this thoughtset is sunken cost vs total cost, if it will cost you 5gp/xp to do prayer potions but 6 or even 7 gp/xp to do super attack potions (slightly faster xp too) but total cost to buy those ranarr unf pots will take up a good portion of your bank to where the super attack pots are relatively cheap to buy out. Go with the second it gives you wiggle room to do other things if you're burnt out of that skill to go do a money maker or something else, rather having all your money tied up in that unf pots. I mean i know it's not exactly on the same mindset, but it bothers me when people make the purchase to buy out a buyable to x lvl (or even straight to 99) then sell it back to buy gear. But overall you're right. if you have the funds, and the means and the capability to make back the gp in the time saved, always go with the faster method.

Opportunity cost is the most misunderstood thing people get angry about in regards to the "reee efficiency" mentality. Your con example is perfect. Mahogany planks get 1m xp/hr. Oak only caps out at like 550k xp/hr. I like to even consider the "physical stress save" as important, as construction is very click intensive and the less time you do that the better for your body.

Reminder to anyone that hasn't already figured it out, but the message of the video doesn't apply to 95% of players. People who are in this position have the luxury of time that most don't. Why do herb runs when you can grind vorkath for an hour straight? Well, for me (and a majority of others I'd be willing to bet) I have the gear to do vorkath (full bandos dhl faceguard etc etc) but I only have the time to log in for 5-10 min on mobile at work and do an herb run, believe me I tried bossing at work and getting interrupted by a co worker while trying to do corrupted gauntlet is fairly tilting. Sure when I'm home relaxing I could send an hour of vorkath and sometimes I do, but herb runs over an 8 hour work day is much more feasible while still slowly making me money, it ain't much but its honest work.

The impact of self-esteem on life is absolutely massive. What you feel you deserve and what you feel your time is worth depends on how highly you think of yourself. Regardless, we see that people with higher self-esteem tend to become more successful in their ventures. However, there is a fine line between healthy self-esteem and narcissism.

Thing is, if you really calcd out opportunity costs for items like scythe, sangs, and dragon darts, theyre still not worth using for most content. This is ofcourse unless the content is impossible w/o them, CA speed tasks, but any other grind like pets, opportunity costs even show youre better off using next best alternatives. The value of money decreases as you buy more upgradess. This is only worth doing if you no longer have any more significant gear upgrades to go for, which really means your money has smaller value. It is only useful for getting even more supplies, that is it. This is why scythes and sangs are dirt cheap.

pov: top 0.1% wealth player tells you to recklessly spend money

Nice video! Main downside of thinking like this is you end up doing the same efficient things with all of your time. If you want to get really radical, this thinking doesn't have to stop at what's in game. As of right now, making anything over about US$25/hr + buying bonds is better gp/hr than Nex.

Whatever gets you the most enjoyment out of the vidya game is the best mindset for you

counter argument in favour of doing herb runs post 99: I work a fulltime job, I have 3 breaks in a work day, doing herb runs during those breaks earns me 800k every day while i dont have time to do other content. When i get home im still geared for another herb run & im still at the last patch i did (usually lumby or ardy to save tp's) so id say doing the herb runs like this earns me 1m a day with

*cries in ironman*

Abundance mindset is something that extends to life.

I calculated different opportunity cost of tables vs oak dungeon doors from the wiki rate of 900k/hr vs 550k/hr. Obviously the rates will be lower than perfect but both will be lower. I think my number was a bit over 7 mil/hr

It feels good to kill 2k Grotesque guardians with Dragon darts and scythe until you check your bank at the end and see you made -60m for no pet.

Dude is talking about opportunity cost while punching thousands of hours into Runescape :D

True there are a lot of parallels between IRL and runescape, like me being so rich that I forgot I had a couple mil in my coffer, and quavo forgetting he had 50k in a backpack from a few years ago

Your videos have really been hitting different lately. Great stuff

I was almost at the end of this video when I realised this didn't apply to me as an Ironman. But I appreciate you publishing your opinion on this, and I agree with most of it.

I mine addy ore in the wildy with a mithril pick and 84 mining. I use a looting bag and drop the ores n pick em up in em and bank em. is that rich man mindset or what boys?

not gonna lie, playing like this sounds like hell to me lol

"Play efficient gpscape" Nah. I don't have autism. I buy the idea in this video if you also factor one more thing into opportunity cost: the risk of burnout. I comp caped on RS3 before EoC, and this exact mindset ruined the game for me. Not treating OSRS like this has led to some pretty fun gaming.

Yeah once I got my Tbow I changed my mindset, Dragon Darts in the Bp, leaving items on the ground, and not worrying about the gear I use anymore

Rich man mindset made me quit for 4 years and I still struggle against it. I ended up always make me doing the efficient method even if I hated it and lost sight of just having fun.

Thanks for Justifying me using Dragon Darts in my Blowpipe. 😈

"Only buying 50 prayer potions" Crap, I only buy 5. Bro that's like 60,000 coins!

"i DonT Do SOul RunES BEcuASE BlooDs ArE WoRTH MoRE" I never heard the end of it on my 99 rc grind in zeah lol. For the record I did souls because they were faster, and I could spend the 30-40 hrs saved doing raids/cg which is exactly what I did.

This is why ironman is great. Obviously efficiency is still prevalent in the game mode but it's not based solely on goals maximizing gp/hr and hence has you doing varied content in the game. Much more of a full game experience. Mainscape GP almost becomes irrelevant when you have enough to merch/flip anyway, takes away a lot of the charm from the game. Good video

I hear what you're saying and acknowledge you're not a fan of shitting your pants to maintain optimal smithing xp/hr, but ultimately I play content that I think is fun and think chasing efficiency is a super swell way to burn yourself out. I have 99 RC, but I have never crafted a lava rune outside of the diary step. When I run CG, I don't go for speedrunning strats like no armor or 5:1, and I get a full inventory of food even though I know I can consistently win with less. I like doing Giant's Foundry instead of gold ore at Blast Furnace because Giant's Foundry doesn't bore me to tears. I didn't start my account by getting 99 Agility and selling every Mark of Grace to buy max strength and a cannon. And I am looting in Sepulcher because looting is fun. I get what you mean with supplies and gear though, no disagreements there.

This is not even accurate because efficient players do 0 time gp. Good points tho but does anyone think Lynx Titan farmed gold on his main?

The thing I dislike about this mentality is that is reduces the game down to grinding out the best money making method rather than just enjoying the game as you go. Me doing herb runs after 99 is simply that I have a ton of seeds and don't take long to run

By this logic I should just buy all my gold since I make an absurd amount of GP/H in USD.

Ironically the opportunity cost of playing thousands of hours of Runescape versus doing something else with our lives... well it's pretty astounding. For most people who play this much I'd think that what we do on RS is fairly meaningless compared to the hours that could be better spent on health, hygiene, diet, exercise, sleep, career, friends, and family. I'd definitely consider myself addicted and that I'd be better off playing less. Obsessing over getting the most value out of efficient play would further degrade my mental health. It's important to keep the bigger picture in mind. RS isn't everything.

I tryed making a iron man, a pker, and a dfs pure. All of which are collecting dust. The ironman i started playing for 2 or 3 days got so bored of doing weird stupid shit just to get a rune scimitar. And countless clues for staff. I ended up not logging bk into osrs for close to 15 months. For me efficient gp scape is the only way i enjoy my time on osrs. If im not making 5-150m per day on osrs what am i logged in for? I cannot stand skilling. I just avoid it at all costs. There a ton of quests i havent done and my account is near 7 years old. I cant stand doing quests because most of the meaningless itens cost gold and youll never yse them again. Also it takes away from my raiding time. I logg in to do toa and cox. I love the thrill of seeing purple lights. Purple flames. Skilling genuinely makes me logg out. And when it comes to infernal why wouldnt i just buy it while im at work? Seriously lol. Im not going to learn infernal cape boss just for a stupid cape. These guys spend hours in there. No thanks i got coins. Why even be logged in for a single second doing something u dont want to do? Questing? 🤮 Skilling?🤢making mills at toa and cox? 😎🍻😀❤️

This video reinforces my belief that Zulrah is better to grind for money than Vorkath.

Damn. What a great video. I'm always impressed by your ability to put these concepts into layman's terms. To me that is the easiest tell of an intelligent person. Like listening to Edward Snowden talk. He's not just smart because of his insane technical acumen, rather, how he can describe concepts to others.

its funny watching this, I realized that I slipped into the rich man mindset after unlocking vorkath and rune dragons I went and bought like 1000 inventories of each resource just so I could spend less time banking and more afking rune dragons for example

:) hitting the nail on the head as always! thanks for sharing!

Saying that with the saved time you can go do your best money maker doesn't really work for me, my best consistent money is Vork, getting about 3m an hour, but the amount of extra attention I have to put into Vork compared with basically anything else I do means that time spent killing Vork is WAY more work than any skilling I do, so if I can save more than about ~1.5m for every extra hour I'll take that instead since my low effort money makers make about that. This video simply doesnt account for the fact that most peoples best money maker is also one of their highest intensity tasks, which makes a massive difference if you're just wanting to have fun gradually seeing your account improve. I do agree though seeing people with Scythes and Tbows penny pinching is hilarious

this mindset is what led me to start rwt and then just do whatever the fuck i want in-game

Like here's a good example and anecdote from my past employer. He was a rich man but he messed up lots of stuff due greed. Like not calling a handyman for the job. He tried to fix electrical issues himself with help of youtube videos... Long story short He fixed it temporarily though the method was not safe the building went up in flames at night and he lost his shop. And 5 others lost their jobs. And the job actually required more than 5 people and we kinda were happy this happened lol.

Herb runs do give a nice mental break for some grinds though. Even if they’re inefficient. Sometimes taking eight to ten minutes (banking at a little more relaxed pace and not being tick perfect, etc) every two hours or so of a grind you don’t particularly enjoy is enough to keep you going. Remember, logging off because you’re burnt out is 0 gp/hr.

Oooh your that streamer. The bowl haircut kid.

bros boutta cause an herb shortage lolol

Love this video. Puts a lot into perspective

Burnout is the biggest thing you have to fight playing OSRS. I've learned in my time playing that doing max efficiency GP/hr methods are not worth it if you're bored as hell of it. Vorkath is boring as hell, don't be afraid to send COX/TOB/TOA/Nex/CG or even GWD with the boys if you're finding it fun. As long as you're not at fuckin KBD, the GP will come.

I just barely adopted this mindset. Mostly because I can’t play as much anymore so I figured hell I’ll just blow cash on better supplies idc if the profit is less. I find overall I actually make more because things get done faster.

I just do farm, birdhouse runs and thieve master farmers afk. I’m very close to max and don’t have much cash left until I finish off the last 5m of slayer. I did 99 mining and 99 slayer at the same time, which burnt me out but made me really happy that I could accomplish the grind.

first of all, runescape is a game you play in your free time, and games are supposed to be fun. when you try to shorten the time playing, it is not a win, it is a lose, because you steal your own hours of fun while (in most cases) also lessen it by forcing yourself to not play casually or the way you want to. then there is the next misconception : trying to be faster and more effective wont save you time. since runescape is not your job, you may quit whenever you desire. so if you really love zulrah, but force yourself to grind vorkath since its more money, in the end the process of earning the gold you need for whatever may be shorter, but since you lose motivation in the long run due to content you dont like, youre more likely to slow down on gains in the future.or even worse, you burn yourself out and you quit/take a break, which then is a time loss on the graph in the end as well. and finally there is the misconception of the rush to the top. my bank sits at 1,3b after some years, and the only thing i really want but cant afford is the tbow. but since your accumulation of gold accelarates by design in osrs, it wont take me nearly as long to grind another 1,2b for it, now that im doing phosanis or cox instead of mlm and tempoross. so getting rich in this game is just a matter of "keep moving at whatever speed you desire", since the way is too long to sprint it all the way. and once you have the gold to be able to play more efficiently, it also will come naturally, since your skill and knawledge of this game will grow, too. btw calculating opportunity costs for something you do out of enjoyment and you could ignore completely if you wanted to without consequences is absolutely hilarious and made my day

Me doing a herb run while listening to this ._. But it does makes sense.

350k/h with oak dungeon doors? They're easily 500k/hour if you pay any attention

This reminds of the time I learnt Nightmarerh did 99 crafting via spinning flax back in rs2.

Yeah, but I feel like playing the game based on EVPH (Efficient Vorkath's Per Hour) or some variation is a fast way to burn out. Really, most of the money someone makes will probably be post max when they don't need to dump 500m+ into maxing. At that point, your bank will just naturally grow if you're playing reasonably and not spending money on buyables for post 99 exp. I think this mindset is fine, but not for like, 90% of people. I feel like most would just grow to resent the game. I know I would.

Seeing a lot of hate about this mindset. Honestly, this video got me fired up. I’m breaking into a late game player and now is when I have to transition to a late game mindset.

Well some people like the iron Man style self-reliance even if they don't play an iron Man account. That said sometimes people are just stuck in the early gameplay loop mindset.

One thing one also may have to factor in is the human factor. Sure, vorkath is better than herb runs, without a doubt, and sure, spending twice the amount on construction to get it done twice is fast is time saved. However, not everyone wishes to rush everything, or do the same thing for hours on end instead of doing more varied stuff. In the end, RuneScape is a game with a lot of content. Doing only one or two things limits you and makes you burn out from the game so so much faster. I see it often with friends or clan members ending up doing literally nothing else but cox or tob because of the drops being good, but also then getting bored so much faster cause doing the same 1-3 things can make the game feel like a chore rather than a way of relaxation and fun. You can play the game for efficiency sure, some like it that way, keeps the brain busy. Some however, prefer saving a few gp to then have an extra prayer pot maybe, or doing something more chill, that is slower to simply disconnect a bit more with the daily life and relax more. I vary in both ways, but prefer relaxing with maybe some non tick efficient iron mining over 3 tick sandstone. Your video proves some good points though, hell, I even caught myself thinking "oh yeah" a time or two, so definetly a well made video !

People give me shit for using a sang, trident and eldritch staff at kraken boss, but I am the one that gets to just sit in the instance and burn through bracelets of slaughter. Depending on drops you easily break even.

Every goblin in WoW: "Time is money friends". Thank you so much for this video now I can direct all of the people giving bad advice in my clan to this video.

me in rs 2004-2011 Cheap man mindset Me in 2011/12 when free trade came back: turned my 500m bank into 4 phat sets and 3 max cash stacks me since then: broke most the time, but uses the most expensive everything always.

I actually think the complete opposite. I don’t get why people constantly have to metricise everything in how long it would be in Vorkath hours. Skipping fun engaging content (because it’s less profitable then grinding the money meta) to get out of the mid game is mind numbingly boring and will ultimately lead to burnout. From my experience I tried to find a number of different passive, casual money makers and alternate between them (farming contracts, herb runs, birdhouses, cooking). It was a little bit of an ironman mindset to be honest. On paper it wasn’t at all efficient but small profitable activities over a long period of time massively increased my bank in the mid game. Now I have a big enough bank to do play the game in the most fun way (using dragon darts, blood fury etc with max gear). Doing these semi passive money makers consistently and avoiding burnout is the rich man mentality IMO.

This is what most of my friends don't get when I try to explain it to them lol. That being said, it's the reason I play ironman.

Rich man mindset would be working for $15 an hour at a normal ass entry job and RWT that for 45m/h. Level up to an entry level stem position you lookin at minimum $18-25/hr which is 60m-75m/h. Getting into an entry dev position you lookin at $25-40/h which is 75M-105M/h. Then you get banned for RWT and quit runescape for good. The real RMM.

I just do herb runs for all my pots. Kind of like iron man.

100% love and agree with this mentality. It drives me crazy when clanmates/friends tell me they are (for example) mining at mlm, because they are making money, compared to going to volcanic mine, or dying constantly out at the chaos alter rather than just using a poh alter. Seriously makes no sense to me. Great video and explanation.

You mean if in 11.5 hours you can make up for 2 weeks of wrist pain and 64M

Same reason some multiloggers play 50+ accs

I feel like going by this mindset in sessions would just scare players away, and make it not as much enjoyable. This is at least from what I'd assume a new player would think. Just play the game how you want to play it, and have fun. If this method is how you have fun, awesome! I just don't believe everyone needs to have a rich man mindset. I play on my level 126 acc, and often get annoyed by how players at my level act at raids, nex, and even just godwars. It's never relaxed, and never just having fun, it's all "why aren't you doing this, that's not perfect" and personally, I get quickly burnt out from the experience. I just want to have fun lol and crave people who can game somewhat high level, and still be laid back.

Love the vid man! Question for you what Plug-in shows the boosted stats? I accidentally clicked something and haven't been able to find it.

No need for emergency fund in osrs. Send that gp

This is wild because I was just telling my brother he's never going to get rich the way he plays. He was mining saltpeter for his hosidious favor and I tried to explain that he should just buy it and go money make instead for faster game progression. My mindset is I can make 3 mil an hour at vorkath so if something only cost 1 ml but takes an hour to grind I'd rather do vork buy it and pocket that 2m.

Love the video bro!

This really sold me on making a main account.

I've since quit doing them, but I'd seldom pull less than 300k from an herb run. I think your 250k figure is a bit low (but your point still stands).

Herb runs regiment you to spend time acumulating gp at reasonable intervals for a small amount of time which is helpful if you have a tendency to burn out on doing what is best gp/ph and not what you find fun - I'd dare say its impossible to burn yourself out farming herbs, ensuring you have time to actually enjoy yourself.