imagine demoing an airplane, turning off radar, ignoring "PULL UP, TERRAIN" warning and slamming into a mountain. This is the stupidest aircrash I have ever heard of :O
@@ED-es2qv It seems that they only disabled the visual representation of the terrain rather than the entire TAWS system. It’s more than a little odd that such an advanced safety feature could be so easily disengaged. A slight variation of what you’ve provided: “let’s switch off the display which shows whether we’re within proximity of any mountains with which we could potentially collide.”
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 It still gave a warning and the pilots could have been somewhat cynical about the credibility of announcements made by any equipment produced courtesy of the Russian state. You do seriously have to consider if there is an ingrained tendency to rely on instinctive confirmation bias over what you are told can arise in the particular heavily controlled environment that always seems to exist unchanged in Russia, whatever the current political creed espoused by its the rulers. This also may have been a disorientating home produced aircraft for them with no nose glazing so it is not difficult to imagine them wondering about things like where exactly does the bomb aimer sit?
@@michaeld5888 SSJ100 actually had at the time a LOT of western designed and supplied systems. Autopilot and warning systems are Collins if memory serves. The plane was basically a Russian airframe and precious little else local, with the rest foreign-sourced. At the time it was easier and cheaper to make a plane that way and sell it than build every component from scratch because a lot of those systems would need to be made from a clean sheet. CAN Russians make such systems? Absolutely yes. They make cutting edge fighter and bomber avionics, so skill is there. Now that the sanctions are in place, they'll make their own. Will it be as pretty? probably not. Will it be reliable? Depends on maintenance. Planes don't need latest and greatest in micro-electronics. So they'll weigh a bit more. Sukhoi Civilian Aircraft are working on SSJ-NEW with all Russian supplied components.
Ignoring warnings and unexpected instrument readings seems to be a fairly common component in crashes. Confirmation bias. Also, I think, as a pilot, I would be interested in the places I fly over, beyond the charts. Like, Indonesia is chock full of huge volcanoes, some erupting, which are not part of a mtn range, so often sprouting from otherwise flat terrain. Google Earth, would take 30sec to check your plan. Being incurious is also dangerous, and not just for voters.
Nobody knew about google earth back when this happend it was 2012 most people didn't even have a good phone to check anything out. Needless to say , I would definitely research thoroughly research area before flying. And flying inside the clouds, while knowing that there are mountain ranges all over that place is selfless and reckless. Those pilots were i dots.
@@korana6308 not really. Google earth i remember using it in 2012 when i was 9yo , i loved the satellite view and scrolled over foreign countries like usa and european. This was all on pc. Not on a phone. Back then my family had only those keypad nokia phones. And multiple pc cus dad was a computer guy and would buy the latest gear every 2 year to upgrade his rig and his used computer would pass down to me.
@@korana6308 yeah, no, google earth was oooold news by 2012 and phones were pretty advanced. I graduated highschool in 2006 and my friends and I would look at it all the time on the school computers in like 8th or 9th grade if I recall. I haven't had cause to set foot back in that god forsaken mold hole since I graduated that hot shitty day in May 2006 so it had to be before then. So I'd say by 2012 google earth was so well known it was forgotten about by then. I mean by 2012 they were already on iphone 5 and samsung galaxy S3.
There's one thing that really gets to me about this tragedy: If there is one assumption you can never make anywhere in SE Asia it is that you have only flat terrain or open sea in front of you.
@@Jabarri74 Steam engines have a valve to jet excess steam to prevent the boiler exploding. Unfortunately its very loud when it does so. It was not unheard of for engine crews to find anyway they could to prevent the valves going off and then causing the boiler to explode..
@@OlanKenny The main reason was that the pilots were distracted. And when you are destructed, you will sometimes find yourself doing weird things, because your brain concentrates on the conversation rather than the main task. Hence shutting subconsciously down any distractions.
One of the many times the crew has ignored a machine vastly smarter than them, incomprehensible to me how a TAWS warning in cloud doesn't trigger an immediate climb until you have a clear enough view of your surroundings.
No matter what planes I flew I carried a handheld GPS and had it running during flights. That little box could show more data at times including airspace and obstructions. Used it on boats and in cars as well.
All the countries that could have bought into the Superjet would have had a rude awakening in 2022 when the bottom fell out on support for the aircraft thanks to sanctions. Kind of a dodged bullet for them.
Only two western airlines received the type. One, interjet, went out of business in 2020. The other one, CityJet, operated them for Brussels air but pulled them from service because of how unreliable they were.
Sukhoi's underdeveloped maintenance network wasn't able to adequately support the Superjets that were operating in the Russian Federation before sanctions. To compete against Airbus, Boeing, and Embraer requires more than just designers and a factory.
@@korana6308 never said no one liked them, just explained why they never really became popular with airlines outside of Russia and why they were pulled from service in Mexico and Belgium
boggles my mind that pilots always seem to not respond to TAWS IMMEDIATELY. Its like "you are about to die" hmmm really? I am not sure you are correct.. let me..... . They really need to add random TAWS alerts in cert sessions and measure the response. Same with stall warnings at low level. There should be a criteria for response time. Also why don't the just have the stall warning increase the power to 50%. And with TAWS, just have the plane do max climb. Pilot can always countermand and disable the system if it was an error.
@@Max_Da_G Why not? Its the same reaction pilots are expected to have. So why not help them. The stall auto throttle can be disabled at 100 ft or whatever appropriate.
Man, if you are NOT in absolutely visual conditions, ALWAYS follow TWAS!!! I performed a escape maneuver once although I had absolute confidence that was spurious! Even got lambashed by ATC.. only replied “It’s my training”!!
Chernobyl was a result of an experiment gone wrong. They were attempting to practice throttling the reactor output up and down on a reactor that isn't designed for that. And yes, they turned off all the safeties so that they could even try that. Safety systems for those reactors are very reliable and multiple-redundant.
@@jerromedrakejr9332: Stop spreading lies from the Kremlin. Stick your head out of Putin's ass and face the reality, whenever things go shitty, a Russian was in charge. It's the same with the catastrophe of the "military special operation" as with the nuclear meltdown in Chernobyl. The failed RBMK reactor type used in Chernobyl is of Russian design. The Council of Ministers, which opted for this unsafe variant and approved its installation, met in Moscow. The idiot who caused the accident was Russian: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Dyatlov So you can admit it, since everyone already knows anyway. If rubbish happens anywhere, a Russian is always in charge. Look at the morons, here, this idiot in the nuclear power plant, then the biggest idiot of all, Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin with his "special operation". And then you yourself, your people are falling by the tens of thousands for nothing, your country's future is being destroyed by the morons in the Kremlin and you're still defending it... Watch the dash cam videos of the Russians driving, watch their planes keep falling out of the sky, this here, the TU-144 in Paris in 1973 or Aeroflot Flight 593, watch their tanks explode. And seafaring is also typically Russian, no matter whether the entire Russian fleet is sunk off Tsushima, whether the missile cruiser Moskva "sinks in a storm" or the largest Russian passenger ship leaving the port of another Russian incompetent is rammed and sinks with over 420 dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Admiral_Nakhimov It's a principle, the Russians can't do anything right, they're always drunk and everything they ever had is destroyed and unusable afterwards. The most redundant people on earth...
@@jerromedrakejr9332 Moscow called the shots of the test's procedures. And it was a Russian-designed RMBK reactor. Part of the problem was the control rod tips caused a spike when lowered into the reactor. That's something Moscow tried to cover up until Legasov spilled the beans. Both sides were at fault, but it's the overall Soviet way of doing things that was the biggest factor.
Love your channel mate, always enjoy your videos!!! I know that there are a lot of channels dedicated to this subject and its hard to stand out amongst the crowd but, you do. What sets you apart from the others is the attention to the tiniest details and the fact that you do conversations in the cockpit with different people. This includes between the flight crew itself, the flight crew and cabin crew and also the ATC. The last thing, and probably the biggest thing for me, is........ there are simply not enough videos. Keep up the great work mate, brilliant job!!!!
Note to viewers: None of the audio in this video is original, but recreated from transcripts using a computer-generated voice. Likewise, all of the video is from flight-simulator software.
SSJ regularly flies in what's left of the USSR. Kazakhstan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, you name it. As well as in Russia proper. It is a very safe and comfortable aircraft. I flied it from Almaty to Moscow this september. The incident on a video was hugely a pilot error.
Hugely!? Solely!!! On the cockpit audio, you can clearly hear repeated warnings that the pilots easily ignore! The plane worked perfectly, the pilots behaved like two monkeys...
@@liliya_aseeva: Fountain at the beginning of this video: Tsar quality. Sukhoi "Superjet": Soviet or KGB/Putin Russian quality. Too bad Ulyanov killed or exiled all of Russia's talent in 1917 and made the West a permanent enemy; you folk were better off before - I say that as a fellow Slav.
@@liliya_aseeva How many of your relatives are fertilizing Ukrainian soil, Orc? Ya'll just eclipsed 118,000 dead. Which means you've got another 360,000 missing limbs. In less than a year.....Add in that brain drain exodus and your future looks like the average North Korean's. 🤦♂️
Not much point building TCAS or GPWS into Russian planes, the pilots ignore them. Hell they'll even try landing with their eyes closed for a bet. Überlingen, Aeroflop 6502 anyone?
So did suchoi travel to the past from the 2000s to build the WW2 planes or do you want to correct your video? In the year 2000 they started a civil aviation branch. The company is way older.
even if i cross town to strange place, I consult an old-fashioned map the day before to study unfamiliar surroundings and take notes and write handwritten directions of local landmarks and elements for navigation and then check map again before departing. It's insane that any pilot gets into a plane without first taking time to memorize the local area. navigation is tradecraft learnt with map on solid ground before ever venturing into unfamiliar territory. Don't have to be a pilot to know that. Can'[t blame the plane or anybody other than pilot for ignoring basic tradecraft. This is why habormasters send out tugs and pilots board ships to navigate harbors...whether land, sea or air, it's the same: know the terrain. gross incompetence.
TAWS (Terrain Avoidance & Warning System) is an interchangeable term with EGPWS (Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System).They indicate later generations of the original GPWS.
one of the renowned photographer for the Indonesian aviation/military magazines was among the victims of the said plane (Didik Nur Yusuf) May he rest in peace
Modern avionics with excellent autopilots, infrared vision, virtual vision, HUDs, GPS, moving maps, aircraft and terrane collision avoidance, weather radars, and weather downlinks, etc really should leave little room for pilot errors to occur.
Not every aircraft is available with such systems. You'd need a basically military grade system for that. Also you'd literally need an AI to run it and override the pilot input.
Yes. That boggled me a bit. Don't know what they mean with that. Sukhoi was founded in 1939 by Pavel Sukhoi. Not that hard to find that info. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi
One would think that demonstration pilots tasked with unveiling their new product to global aviation customers would be thoroughly familiar with the jet. Being a new product, at that time, the Superjet did not have a long track history. Regardless, the pilots should have a solid grasp of all its systems including the navigation and TAWS system. Why in the world would an experienced pilot turn off the ground proximity warning system and terrain display features (TAWS) if one is in IMC conditions (regardless of what that pilot "thinks" they know about the underlying terrain, anywhere near mountainous terrain? It is one thing to be in flight during daylight VMC with unrestricted visibility to ignore terrain warnings after positively identifying those warnings as not being critical and having terrain separation positively visually guaranteed (provided company manuals (and local regulations) allow for this exception. Ours does). It is entirely different to ignore such warnings when not in all of those previously listed positive meteorological conditions are present. Unfortunately, there are numerous examples of such warnings blaring in the background as the pilots ignore those warnings and continue on to their demise. Flying Tigers flight 66 comes to mind as another terrible example forever etched in my mind. I remember flying out of Mexico City years ago; one of the local carriers who had purchased the Sukoi Superjet, but had them parked on the side of the ramp due to ongoing maintenance issues. Pretty soon they all disappeared. I have not seen a Sukoi Superjet flying or heard one on the radio in years. I'm sorry it didn't work out for the Russians or their customers.
A new version is being developed, SSJ-NEW with all-Russian avionics, systems and engines. Also they are working on creating/implementing an aftersales support for the aircraft. It won't work in western nations, but in Latin America, Asia and Africa, there will be maintenance hubs, parts storage, etc.
I've known both pilots personally, they were very professional experienced guys... So it was a Tragedy for the company and the team. Still questioning this crash, why Yablontsev (Cap) done it this way. He was a test pilot first of all, probably expecting to believe more to his guts, not equipment. He wasn't taught to do, what computer said first , think later. As most civil pilots do.
@@korana6308 что плохо, много информации до сих пор не обнародовано и насколько я помню, полноценного заключения властей так и не случилось. Моё личное мнение, что если бы пилотирование происходило в нормальных режимах и по установленным правилам -катастрофа бы не произошла.
Towards the end of the video it implies that the EU sanctions might further hurt the sales of Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircrafts. But it could also be the opposite if the sanctions continue long enough: Russia has a plan to change it so that it's just manufactured from Russian parts. As Russia can't import aircraft and also many parts from the west, it might at some point be impossible for some airlines to continue flying just western jets and they will buy a jet from Sukhoi instead. The Chinese Comac ARJ21 might also be an option gor Russian airlines but it seems that Comac struggles with mass production of it.
Who said that it struggles? As far as I know they are increasing production of their planes. Also Russia is going back with not just their own Sukhoi superjets but also with MS 21 planes. And it's definitely going to be better than Boeing or alike.
@@korana6308 their deliveries are slightly increasing, but the number of ARJ21 planes delivered in 2022 was 3r, which doesn't seem a lot as they have started production in 2015 (not including prototypes) and have a reported backlog of around 230 aircraft.
No new issue for a new developing aircraft, A320 test flight also was destroyed, A330 was claimed and challenged that this aircraft will never fall from the sky by a technical issue, and air france flight 447 fell from sky killing 228 people! Needles to mention the people killed in the newly developed 737 max two crashes!
I still can't believe that they don't fly with ADDITIONAL instruments (even a simple iPad with cellular connectivity) , and then IGNORE the jet's built in high tech warnings. Pilot arrogance & cockiness also shouldn't ever cost people's lives...
@@Max_Da_G I see what you mean, but the fact is the signal does not interfere with the plane's functions. Also, I mean for the Pilots as a backup. Imagine how many plane disasters could have been prevented by a simple cellular device...
Thing with plane efficiency is you can't just say it's the best, stats will show the truth and I'd guess that many Russian businessmen accustomed to the party saying what is best weren't as "competitive minded" as they might be if it were decades after the fall of communism instead of the late 90s
It had great potential in terms of market and potential routes . CityJet , an Irish company and at the time part of the AirFrance group acquired several of these craft . They were well received by the flying Pax and were due to replace RJs 85-100s . The problem was the appalling after sales service with the inability to source spare parts and hence frequent line delays . Subsequently they were all returned to the leasing company . The A220s have now admirably filled this market segment . When humans resort to the use of the word "assume" it usually relates to a major cockup in the post incidence phase of events .
@@number1genoaabsolutely. Russia has proved it's a dangerous terrorist state. It shouldn't be able to fund it's war crimes through businesses. And especially not planes - you don't allow a country that repeatedly tries to interfere with your internal politics, the ability to fly entire fleets over your country and allies... There's so many risks there's it's insane. Can't believe we were allowing it pre-war. If there's one good thing about this war, it's that it gave Europeans shock treatment about their economic ties with Russia.
14 aircraft for one ATC ! in a nation that pays peanuts corners are STILL cut , even in ATC, an area in which every mistake has the potential to result in an incident of such magnitude that it'll damage your nation's reputation world wide. #FalseEconomy
controlled flight into terrain isn't that rare. CFIT normally occurs at cruise or maneuvering speed, with the result that many such accidents are fatal. Of the 460 CFIT accidents during the period from 2010 to 2015, over 57% of them (262 accidents) were fatal. Fatalities peaked in 2011, with 57 deaths reported.
A catalogue of errors by ATC and the pilots partly destroyed the Sukhoi’s reputation. The Kremlin’s unprovoked attack on its peaceful neighbour sealed the aircraft’s fate along with the entire Russian aviation industry.
Unprovoked? GTFO lol Your ignorance requires a LOT of addressing. The amount of provocation done by Ukraine and its puppet-master is so massive that US and UK would have cracked the shits and invaded a LOT earlier. The sanctions did little more than kick Russian asses in a gear to finally drag their asses out of a stupor they've been in for the last 20 years. Lazy companies refusing to do their jobs now have no choice but to start turning the rusty gears in the heads and develop a product. Stalin had a good way of dealing with people too lazy to do their job: if they were just lazy, they were sacked. If they were trying to make things worse for some reason, they were arrested and jailed for criminal sabotage. Management were ALWAYS held responsible for being bad at their job.
Shit high work load? And turning off your avionics is just plain. I was flying into Auckland international airport one day to be called 17 down wind. Now mixing my little kite with 747s that's what I call a high workload.🥵
Where did all the aircrew & control tower staff learn to speak English? Miami, LA or some other U.S. flight school? The Dick Tracy voice animation from the cockpit speakers were innovative - haven’t seen that before.
What I cannot understand is how anyone can be so stupid as to think that Indonesia is flat. The whole country and archipelago of islands is full of mountains. It would be like the captain thinking Nepal is flat.
How could the control tower not note to them that 6900 was the minimum when they requested 6000? Basic area knowledge the controller should have at her fingertips and be offered to them, testing a fighter jet or not. But don't get me wrong, ignoring the terrain warning is inexcuseable and caused the crash, and add it to the long list of accidents that are caused by pilots ignoring what the plane is telling them.
Kinda reminds me of the traffic accident compulations here on youtube. Do ANY of these people at these controls have adequate knowledge of the vehicles they are opperating? All the drivers/captains just appear to just hop in and go. No instructions. No classes. Just oh well we will figure it out as we go. Terrifying!
What happened to the Russian Sukhoi jet was completely avoidable if the pilots had heeded the warning from TAWS. Terrain warning systems are there for a reason. The pilot completely ignored the system and assumed he was flying over flat terrain. A recipe for disaster! Instead out of impressing the passengers with the jet’s performance, he killed all on board. No one is buying the Russian jet after that incident!
I've got no illusions about how messy post-1991 Russia was but when the ATC allowed pilots to fly at 6000 feet in area with terrain at 7254 feet it was a good recipe for a disaster. Pilots were idiots as well (see my note about post-1991 Russia above) - terrain ahead message must be interpreted only one way - gain more hight, i.e. pull the steering column gently and increase the thrust. Even if it was a database error it stll makes sense to follow aircraft's instructions rather than just bluntly ignoring it.
