My brother was tested at IQ of 72. The threshold for disability is 70. He has led a very difficult life. People try to cheat or deceive him at every turn. At age 61, he finally qualified for disability after decades at menial part time jobs, barely able to survive. Thank God for disability.
Mine is 131, the threshold for "giftedness" being 130 - in my country anyway. And I've led a life of not being understood most of the time. Usually, they will hear/read the first part of my point and jump to conclusions, while I was actually still building up to what I'm saying. Then they think they know me, and won't even be convinced otherwise, let alone can be bothered to take the time. I've been going through depression and even been homeless. And I've had lots of people try to deceive me because all they really know is I'm different/weird. Also, I'm not quite the genius when it comes to social interaction or group dynamics. I'm taking my chances here that you won't stop after my first sentence and call me a poser. Let's see...
Depends on the degree, and often enough on the specialisation within the field. There is some stuff you can just power through, like organic chemistry, or the more legal oriented fields of economics. With the right attitude and enough time even average minds can make it through something like that. The problems will then come later in life. You'll find yourself measured against an average that you can't keep up with. For me personally I'm still not sure whether it was a good thing I dropped out of university. I excelled as as tech, worked my way up into an engineering position, but my grades while studying chemistry were average to somewhat below where it got more mathematical. And my impression is I could definitely keep up with some of the worse scientists I'm working for now. But not with the good ones.
Depends on the degree, that's what the joke was with regards to degrees in physics and mathematics as opposed to say degrees in queer theory and critical race theory.
I (33) have a learning disability. My IQ is approx 80. I got tested twice in school. It is mainly due to the fact that my mother drunk alcohol during her pregnancy (FASD spectrum/Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) Everything is harder in my life. No matter how hard I try, I always fail. I needed to visit special ed class till 18, I never had many friends, I never had the ability to visit college or achive high education, I only work at sign holder jobs...or fast food...I also never had a girlfriend. A low intelligenc is a severe punishment for your whole life, which affects every aspect of your life negatively.
In the Netherlands, we have special schools for people with IQ from 55 - 80. It takes five years and everyone has a personalized development plan. They learn how to sustain in society and they learn a profession, mostly as an assistant.
Worst level to be it is just smart enough to actually realize you are hopelessly dumb, but not dumb enough to be unaware of how much better off you would be if you weren't...
need just great experience...many years, 20/30 years and the normal IQ people can become a good mechanist who can diagnose problems...its not a matter of iq, but a matter of time in the same factory with the same products
Mechanics don't diagnose, they swap parts. Once you can diagnose an issue, you're a technician. I worked as a field generator tech for a few years, it was a fun job. I'm in college for cyber security now
Yeah I thought anyone could do my job, then we hired 2 new people and 2 years later I've learned that no. Not everyone can troubleshoot, diagnose, and pinpoint true cause(s) of issues in selective solder machines, waves, pick and place machines, PC's and AV equipment.
I have an IQ of ~120 and I'm a skilled tradesman, my trade pays particularly well ($150k/year) and I chose this over engineering at University because the simplicity meant less anxiety. Most people I work with would have an IQ in the 95-100 area. I'm able to learn things faster but if someone has several years more experience than I do they're more skilled than me. Having a higher IQ feels more like a burden due to higher levels of anxiety associated with the expectation of performance.
The less demanding jobs often are hourly and have clearly defined start and quitting times. Tasks are clearly defined so require less supervision. Free time and autonomy.
You completely missed the point and seems to be unable to understand the general and abstract idea by citing an unrelated and seemingly anecdotal example as if it's a couter-argument. He was talking about IQ as metric in isolation, not when it's present in Neurotic people. The studies that analyze this type of stuff usually control for the other variables precisely so you know what exactly is and ISN'T being caused by IQ.
Indeed Brutal. It's like encountering the invisible wall in the Fallout map. You know it's there, but you can't see it. You try to get over it, but you simply can't. I think it's horrible to tell everyone "you are smart" when they are young. I believed it. I tried to study math and believe me, I tried and tried. For me it was pain and for the rest it was nothing. Obviously I couldn't do it, my marks where too low to get into university. I have accepted my fate but I still think about it and I have to sit down and try to compose myself. It's horrible.
I think it's brutal if you don't accept your weakness and still trying to get through 'invisible wall', living in denial. That is brutal because most people would fed you bluepills and keep you trying to do impossible
@@frans7995 Late answer, but it's all about exposure to information. Now you don't need high iq, you can combine ideas from internet and read about them. But censorhip could be a problem
I think more people are beginning to realize the importance of IQ in modern society. People with low IQ are smart enough to realize that they will never be able to reach the heights that high IQ people can in terms of status and money. This creates a deep resentment and anger. Nothing good comes from that. How can low IQ people live a meaningful and fulfilling life if the world around them is too complex for them to operate in?
To be honest, there’s no solution for this. It’s just evolution. Nature doesn’t give a fuck what happens to them, nor does it care if they live “meaningful” lives. They may very well be deemed permanently doomed or obsolete from the job market as automation rises and eventually replaces basic repetitive routine based jobs like cashiers. Brutal :(
@@VG-qu3vb can you go more in depth about how you were able to achieve a comfortable life with a rather low IQ? Although I’ve never been officially been tested, it’s pretty clear I’m far from the brightest of the bunch, and it’s been depressing me for years.
@@user-el6eh3er8c i started off at community college. Get in good physical shape by doing cardio and weights and limiting sugar. Do not drink alcohol at all and get good sleep. I also take Adderall which helps immensely with all of the things I’ve listed aside from sleep, I hate a small dose of melatonin. Also study study study, repetition is key.
Dawg it's a bit cringe to do that. Maybe you could try just saying "Just a heads up, you're talking to someone a bit slow in the head." Or something like that instead. It will come off as more light hearted and not like you're trying to put yourself beneath others because that can make people feel uncomfortable.
I know many people with high IQs and are very unhappy in life. It´s sad. Their lives are not better than average lives. They have more work, more pressure, they are more prone to stress, deceases etc, etc...
Ya, he says high IQ is how quickly one can learn something and not how well one can use it, which is more about EQ. It's particularly depressing when High IQ is seemingly unable to escape Low IQ labor.
I teach at a community college and as it's an open access institution, and this can mean that students who were "gifted" a high school diploma are allowed to take college courses and fail and fail until their financial aid runs out OR they are put on academic probation and expelled from the college. I did have one young man who was so frustrated that he couldn't pass a remedial class I taught (it was geared to a 4th and 5th grade reading level; he was at a 1st or 2nd grade level), and he started harassing me to pass him. If I'd done that, I would have just made the next instructor's life terrible, so I didn't. Eventually, a family member created an "individual scholarship" for him where family members put money into an account so he could take courses at no cost just to keep him busy and out of everyone's hair at home. I later found out that several people had put out a restraining order against him because he couldn't adapt and accept that he couldn't do certain things. I didn't find him malicious, but just frustrated because he wanted to be "normal," but just didn't have it. He is now taking Bowling and another non-credit course. I hope he's staying busy. I have seen him at a local fast food place where his job is to deliver the bag of food to each table. He is not given any other tasks, but I'm grateful that he has some structure in his life.
??? jordan peterson taught at Harvard, so clearly, the prestigiousness of where you teach doesnt mean a damn thing about your intelligence "LMAO" @@melissas4874
@@melissas4874 he's not criticizing the student in his comment. He's just reporting on the student's actions. It's news to me that community college instructors are only one degree above an intellectual handicap. It would have been nice to know that my professors were actually stupid when I was taking differential equations, waves and optics, and data structures at my local CC. No doubt, since these people are buffoons, and their job is so easy, that a super genius like yourself would have no trouble doing their job. After all, anyone could design a lab demonstrating the use of Laplace Transforms to analyze second-order circuits with a complex impedance.
@@thetachyon456 The problem is that all our leaders have been dropping the ball for several decades now. And by dropping the ball I mean they've been dropping it into rich people's laps. Instead of paying taxes for using the services our country and people provide rich people just leech off everyone and start increasingly desperate wars of aggression as they attempt to dig themselves out the holes they've incompetented themselves into. We rich people run thing they don't like hearing no. They are original autocrats. So, they surround themselves with people who always say yes. And all across the nation the interests that politicians were allegedly elected to care for get neglected in favor of kowtowing to billioniares. This is why every empire and civilization in history has fallen apart. And why ours is.
I once knew a guy with an IQ of 160. He worked in a library putting returned books back in the right places on their shelves and told me he loves the job and finds it satisfying and fulfilling. My late mother had an IQ of 140, worked most of her life in a supermarket as a cashier and never complained. One of my brothers has an IQ of 140 and is a car mechanic. He hates the job, has change employers quite a few times and complains that the bosses are all idiots who don't understand cars.
@@aronhighgrove4100 Well these are *key* components for people to Excell at something if someone is not interested even if you force them you won't get better results.
One time I was going through a fast food drive through and some old guy was being trained on making the drinks. He couldn't fill the cup with ice correctly. It took him five tries and then the trainer ended up doing it himself. It was pretty sad. Apparently this is the 15% discussed in this video.
The problem is that most employers dont have the patience to train lower iq people even thought the benefits are not so bad. They are highly unlikely to switch jobs after they are trained because they know they will probably not be able to find something better. They often work at a steady pace and do their job and listen to commands. I work with people whose mental disablity is more severe and I watch them work at special workplaces. They can do a lot if they are properly trained. I also saw people with down syndrome at normal companies. Its all possible.
@realglutenfree possibly, but the, enormous amount of mindless mistakes they seem to make can be problematic. I work at Lowes and have a few people on the lower IQ side in my department. They struggle, and they struggle HARD.
The supervisor who didn't think to split the mailing list into "English" and "French" and then have the "English" and "French" envelopes and letters two different colors wasn't much more mentally gifted than the guy folding the letters.
Plenty of new jobs for low iq it’s nothing bad. Box folder, clothing hanger person, porn star, fluffer, Butt plug tester, ice cream licker, poo poo scraper, guy who checks your butt for worms, finger licker; these are some of the many new opportunities for iq in the lower Range so don’t feel bad. You can do it!
@@sparkey4293 Paper and envelopes come in standard sizes and the machines at the post office are built to deal with those sizes. Random sized mail won't work.
Oh thats right. Stupid me thought you could cut the paper size down with one of those paper cutter things, but now I see that would be an extra step and that would be just too much. wow talk about making your own bed to sleep in, I realize now I shot myself in the foot on that one.@@uni-byte
Estimated that 40% of incarcerated are frankly mentally ill. We treat mental illness as if it were a personal failing, not a brain disease. We're retreating into medieval attitudes.
Except many of the fraudsters & white collar criminals normally have very high IQs. It's the drug, theft and violence sector of the prison population that has low IQ.
One important thing is that High IQ is fucking useless if you're too lazy to do anything with it. My IQ is around 136 (I think, it's been a while since I was tested), and yet I act like someone with an absurdly low IQ, because no matter what I seem to be reluctant to actually try at anything. And when I finally manage to convince myself to try, I quickly come to realise why I have embraced such a pathetic condition in the first case; inaction is, in a way, pleasant. It is a horrible feeling, to know you are capable of something and yet to constantly refuse to allow yourself the chance to do it. But actually doing things is painful in a very different sort of way, and sometimes you don't know what you need to do, and that's when the pain is at it's greatest. There's really no way around it than to embrace the pain, or if possible find ways to alleviate it, though I remain doubtful of the existence of such means.
Sounds like you were neglected, and likely also over-controlled in childhood. Teaches us to do nothing, for fear of rocking the boat. We become really, really good at "Shut up and take it" and we get so good at that tactic, it becomes our fallback.
@Pabz2030Did you ever find a point? I also don’t understand why things matter, I work hard partially out of a moral obligation to my parents and those who’s support me but doesn’t increasing quality of life plateau at a point where it’s not worth the effort?
It doesn't say anything. It's just a mistake that you're over-analyzing. Decades ago people could make those same mistakes and not be labeled as low IQ. That's probably why people were happier. Everything is about intelligence now and it's super duper depressing and almost draconian that we live in such a world. I genuinely want to say that you're joking but in all honesty, a lot of people these days share the exact same thought process that you just demonstrated in your comment.
There are a lot of tasks that people perform each day. Your brain switches menial tasks to the part of the brain that does things automatic. A good example of that is moving your arm. It don't take much brain power to accomplish. When you was not getting the result that you wanted, you became aware and figured it out. A low IQ person would not even have noticed.
Same here, though it might be due to my epilepsy and meds, but bottom line is that I have always been a mockery at my jobs among others due to my slowness of learning simple things. Oh well I guess, not everyone wins.
I feel you. Don't beat yourself up for your shortcomings. Look outward, see the shortcomings of others. You're not the only one with deep flaws and unattractive traits. Have fun and don't take life so seriously :)@@someone-ji2zb
I have an IQ that allowed me to be trained the Navy as an electronic technician. When I got out I worked for Texas Instruments in Dallas. There was a man that worked in the same area. We would build and test circuit boards that engineers designed. This man obviously has a low IQ, but he knew electronics better than anyone I ever knew in the field.Many so called low IQ or retarded people have special abilities that are more often than not, not given the opportunity to use that talent.
You seem to be confusing IQ for academic inclination/education. If he had a low IQ, he wouldnt have known electronics better than anyone in the field, because he wouldnt have been capable of such a feat.
I am not knowledgeable about psychology, I am a layperson who has observed that people who are labeled and treated as being retarded sometimes or even often have abilities that are beyond most people. They could be experts in some field, or at the very least productive workers. This seldom happens they are generally kept at home, cared for by their parents, and never encouraged to thrive. My brother's stepson was "mentally challenged' He was charming and very likable. His major activity was watching TV. Ask him what TV show was on next monday at 6:30 on channel 5 and he could tell you. What use is that? I could not tell you, but it shows if that attention was put to use in useful matters he would do better at that than most people could.
@@curtiscashen628I'm not sure what this has to do with your previous statement... but, no. If you put a 'mentally challenged' person in charge of remembering a schedule, then after some time, they would become proficient at reciting the schedule. this fact however, isnt proof that a less challenged person would not be infinitely more capable of memorising the same schedule in far less time and reciting it with even greater accuracy. pure logic should tell you this. it doesnt take a degree in psychology. What I humbly suggest you are trying to say, or at least what I think you are trying to say, is that: Some people incorrectly equate "Low IQ" with "No IQ", when in reality there is a vast gulf between less capable people and the average stick of celery. _____ There is however still a substantial distance betweren LowIQ and HighIQ.... even though, for my own money, I wouldnt put too much weight on that fact either. Plenty of smart people can act like complete morons given the right set of circumstances.
@@RobinHood-yk8og I am sure what you are saying is true. Another way to look at my point is that IQ is not the only measure of intelligence and certainly not a measure of talent. I'd encourage parents and educators to do what I believe Peterson tried to do, help those people find employment and be independent, by taking advantage of the abilities they do have.
What's really tough is when someone has a high IQ but is not able to go to graduate school and reach their potential and works at McDonald's. People with high IQs may not always learn things fast, or, seemingly fast. They may be more analytical and seem slower at first. But they definitely learn faster in terms of adapting and being able to put two and two together. Dull people don't do that so well. But when it comes to the workforce, how people perceive your intelligence is just as important as one's actual IQ. If someone with an IQ of 140 comes across as unsure of themselves, they may be perceived as not as capable as they are. Unfortunately, we have people who aren't bright being promoted all the time. Personality and social skills also plays a role, as do other variables.
I see that kind of false, I think that people with high iq are good at information processing and they have long attention span which makes them more focused,I will tell you something there was someone who didn't study until 10th grade he didn't know anything about the school subjects he studied that year soo much and he became better than most average people in his school, I can see that they learn soo fast and adapt to new topics very fast too, but take in mind that iq is not a measure to success in life there are other factors
I worked at minimum-wage jobs for years. My bosses didn't think highly of me, and I usually didn't last long, and it became increasingly difficult for me to find work as I got older. Finally I went to University, and graduated in physics with first-class honors. Figure that out.
It's a pretty common story for above average intelligence people to coast through school relying on their natural gifts rather than needing to study, and then when it becomes necessary they never learned how to learn and it can really hold them back.
People with low IQ almost always lack emotional intelligence. There is exceptions but exceptions aren’t rules. Personality and social skills are much a result of emotional intelligence which is linked to IQ. You are primarily speaking of exceptions. Low IQ people lack the capability to do skilled jobs and that won’t change. Citing exceptions isn’t a substantive argument.
This is probably the dumbest shit to beat yourself up over. Just learn a valuable trait and live out your life doing something you like. Plenty of people out there with high IQ that never truly win. Most of them pursue 9-5 jobs and live very boring lives being nothing more than miserable matrix NPCs.
I worked for the Welfare Department for 27 years. About a third of the people had job skills and were able to get themselves back into the workforce fairly rapidly. Another third needed a lot of support like child care and coaching to become employable, but it was worth the effort based on the "idle hands are the Devil's workshop" principle.. And then, there was another third for whom, realistically, there wasn't much to do for them except pay them to just stay home and keep out of everybody else's way. Even in the depths of WWII, when housewives were trained to weld submarines and mentally disabled people in asylums were entrusted with putting 6 tent stakes in a box, there were still a lot of people whose employment would necessitate more close supervision than their contribution to the war effort would be worth. No matter how desparate employers are for workers, there will be a lot of people that nobody is ever going to hire and our social policies need to be more realistic about it.
Totally agree. Unfortunately, wokism infiltrated this sector years before we noticed the infection in our other institutions and disciplines. We are told that every person, regardless of how severely developmentally disabled they are, is capable, and entitled to work at least a minimum wage job, and that furthermore, the only reason most are not, is due to us who work to support them, holding them back and causing ‘ learned helplessness’… the total denial that people are not all born the same, and that everything cannot be made equal or indeed equitable, however you try to rig the system…. This virus cultural Marxism began in the universities, in the 60s and 70s, and has infected every aspect of society. It is demonstrably wrong, and dangerous.
@@sarahhale-pearson533 The flip side of cultural Marxism is the belief that not being successful at getting and holding onto a good enough job to feed, clothe, house, and pay for medical insurance a person and their family is a moral failure brought about by laziness or some other deadly sin. We live in a competitive society and the number of jobs are available are often circumstances beyond the individual's control. Some people do make bad choices but finger-pointing and heartlessness aren't helpful. Our economic system's collection of punishments and rewards don't always make a lot of sense.
Totally agree. We need to face reality. Being disabled is not a moral failing because you didn't bootstrap yourself. And creating inefficient agencies siphon off resources. Make it local and set a standard of care.
Yes, my brother could not communicate effectively or be trusted with machinery. He would hurt himself or other people. There is almost nothing he could do for work these days.
You are describing the problems associated with authoritarianism and market economies. There is no fixing such problems. They are inherent to the civilized system. Which is why they've been with us since we've started using layers of hierarchy.
I overheard mom tell dad that the school had reported that my IQ was on the low side. This was in the 1950's. So, I'm guessing that it was in the low 80's. I am living proof for why you should never categorize people. I have many issues, but I have been as or more successful in my life than most that I went to school with. I graduated from college and have a masters. This obsession that we have today with labeling and categorizing people is causing people to not live up to their potential.
It's also possible that the test was wrong. Perhaps you were distracted that day or simply not interested in taking the test. I also tested as having a low IQ when I was 6 years old. I did poorly in school because the remedial classes I was placed in were boring to me and many teachers treated me with contempt. However at 19 years old I got a perfect score on the ASVAB and later tested with an IQ of 147 on the Stanford-binet. I graduated with honors in Computer Science from a good university and went on to earn a masters' from a top university. I'm now the CEO of a software company. Testing at an early age has a high risk of inaccuracy and the results of a mistake can be devastating.
@osco50 I have a higher than average IQ but my parents were terrible and grew up in a very rural area. I had a free ride for college but had to drop out or be homeless in a frozen waste land.
I worked at minimum-wage jobs for years. My bosses didn't think highly of me, and I usually didn't last long, and it became increasingly difficult for me to find work as I got older. Finally I went to University, and graduated in physics with first-class honors. Figure that out.
With basic jobs, bosses are used to be able to find replacements quickly because anybody can do a basic job, so they are more "trigger happy" when it comes to firing. You can be a genius, and you will get fired from basic jobs over nothing.
@@martymcfly1776 I have some good degrees but due to some short time hardships I had to work in such min-wage jobs for a half year. I cannot get my head around the fact that people can do that for like 5-10 years without getting insane or become empty. Some of the jobs are an insult to human existence, experience and development.
Previously being an automotive technician at a dealership. Even at 20 years old, I would get asked for help on solving issues for my colleagues. Thought I was simply better at diagnosis due to my enthusiasm for cars. Having many old cars as a kid I've gotten ahead of everyone. I'd even get "You know. sometimes I think your a genius, but other times you be sounding damn near retarded" cause I would miss the simple concepts & complicated the diagnostic procedure. I took the mensa Iq test and got a 124! Even after overthinking my answers. I'm now learning software engineering & might even go on to become a mathematician or a physicist. It's interesting how knowing our Iq changes how we perceive our own potential.
@@madschassis Interesting. I thought I was an idiot in basically anything other than writing and art until I was 17. I got a D in algebra three times in a row and nearly got a 4th one-got a 70% flat. There was this girl I liked--switched two classes to be in the same classes as her. She was a straight-A student, so I decided to become a straight-A student. I went from a decent GPA, but with a C in math and grades that I frankly knew could have been better, to straight A's for a year. Took up extra AP classes the next year (4, which was deliberately equal to how many she was taking). It was really hard, but I managed to do well. Also got great averages on the AP exams. But I struggled a lot--I couldn't understand math all that well, and simple programs like Excel were beyond my comprehension. Then college started. I did alright, but only took 3 classes at a time for a year (I should have been taking more). Did well but not honestly (huge regret). But it took four years to get through college, and it wasn't until I was about 19 or 20 that I understood graphs, converting units, fractions, algebra (like cross multiply), and all that stuff. Was a late bloomer when it came to math. Over the next couple years I went from a bit above average in physics to the best in my class in physics and math, never exceeding 3 classes a year. Eventually graduated in chemical engineering and am now doing quite well. I've learned that I'm capable of almost anything, but at the same time there's a ton of basic, mostly hands-on stuff that I have a super hard time understanding without painful guidance from someone more experienced. I'm also kind a slow thinker on a lot of things. I hate puzzles and intellectual games even though I was good at them as a kiddo. But I refuse to take an IQ exam. I would hate to find it high, and then see myself as better-than, and I would hate to find it lower than expected and to see myself as undervalued. I suspect I'm around 130 but I don't care to know. It scares me lol.
I seriously thought I was slow. I got into cars at 13. I thought that was the only advantage I had. My last job was building race cars from scratch but there was nothing keeping me engaged. Just like Dr. Peterson said, once the knowledge is there, the prefrontal cortex isn't really needed. Everything becomes repetitive. This is terrifying for me because I'm 28 years old now. I quit my job & dropped everything to begin solving problems with software development & studying all the necessary mathematics. Had I known the automotive field was going to lead my down this path I would have went this route a decade ago. I fear for my mortality very frequently now.@@ThineBear
IQ tests measure things like understanding of maths, pattern recognition, memory, abstract reasoning and logic. which are all good all-round markers of intelligence but by no means covers all of the different bases. a lot of very talented, clever and creative people perform poorly in an academic setting or on IQ tests, I don't think that's because they're broken but simply because they're not wired up for that kind of rigid learning. some people just need to be free to do things their own way, and they will adapt and overcome.
That's the kind of argument used to denigrate 'book learning' and intelligence. It's just low-IQ, uneducated people who made it big are rare, so, hardly anyone for them to point to to support their case. Yes, I know, a few film stars and singers.
You can have a low IQ, yet still be talented, skilful, or creative. I've always felt IQ tests are a bit unfair in measuring one's cognitive ability, as many people are terrified of being tested. The anxiety of doing the test or the fear of being labelled stupid might be a factor in the individual performing badly.
I don’t really care what mine is. It doesn’t always necessarily translate into financial or career success anyway, or make you a good person for that matter.
I have an IQ of 118 but currently work customer service Walmart to be exact. Probably explains why I can’t relate to most people at my job because most people who work there probably only has an IQ of 80-90. This is not to put people down who work retail or customer service I’ve met some cool coworkers but overall it’s a job for people who can’t do or don’t have the ambition to do anything else. Even though I am grateful to have a job until I better myself I am depressed doing the Same thing everyday..but most of my coworkers look and feel happy at their repetitive jobs and don’t see themselves doing anything different.
@@chessdejavu4344 I hate charisma because low iq people (I mean it with no grand generalization) trust and like charismatic people more than people who are not charismatic. This is a certified bruh moment because charisma has not really anything to do with any other skills or personality traits. But I think it has a reason people like charismatic people, they have to be superiour otherwise charismatic people would not be liked by that many people.
@@chessdejavu4344 I saw a job posting recently for a computer technician: Removing hardrives from returned PCs and wiping them, then reinstalling them or replacing them if broken. $21-24 an hour. They wanted a 4 year computer science degree and two years of experience. The years of experience for ridiculously easy work employers need is insane.
I have a low IQ and it's definitely a handicap. I'm not smart enough to function in society so I'm socially isolated and it's so sad to think that there are so many things I will never be able to achieve or experience because of my lack of intelligence. I try to stay positive and be grateful for the things I AM able to do but it would be a lie to say I don't feel incredibly inadequate at times.
Your writing already good enough, and have you ever heard of nixau? Go look him up this man aren’t even educated, and even after being taught for many time cannot understand the concept of letter, number and money yet look what he could achieve in life.. 2nd is Beetlejuice.. if personality are also the issue then being a painter & lemonade seller the last resort
@@darrell3643 exactly! iq test number can be changed if your brain had an adequate education. It's actually bs thinking that your one time test is permanent judgement of your abilities. Take me for example, i failed school math like, really bad it's 30-0 equivalent to C and D couple years later, i become a cashier as my 2nd earliest job at busy restaurants and actually fine after 1 months of rough mistakes, now I'm already immigrating to another country with more challenge and survived how crazy is that?
@@richardhead3211 what do you mean 'no', IQ is entirely non-static indisputably. I scored 149 in highschool, and 128 in college, because it changes throughout your life. Einstein's IQ isn't even impressive, what is impressive is how he maintained that IQ throughout his old age. Thousands of people have IQ higher than Einstein, very few people do at the age of 60 though.
Yes, but the discussion around cognitive ability and what the stats show is that there is a large subset of people who's minds do not work in a way that lets them quickly problem solve and learn. Which edges them out of the job market for livable wages. Even back in the 70s, we had people hired to shovel dirt all day and they could live off of that wage and even provide for a couple kids. All they had to do was keep working. Well now it is common place to have these same businesses hiring a single person and train him to drive a tractor and operate the arm to dig with, rather than employ 20 to do the same job but even slower than the machine. Do you think those guys shoveling weren't working hard? I never thought so. They were the hardest workers I had ever seen, but the bottom line is that hard work does not matter anymore to live alone. There were people I knew who worked these physical labor jobs many decades ago and the subject came up why they weren't motivated to get higher paying skills, but at the end of the day the response was always similar or the same. They did try to be trained, but something just wasn't clicking. They were too slow to properly train in most cases, but these men were also very good people who groomed themselves, spoke well and were still reasonably educated with no sign of mental issues. It is just that they were dealt a different hand of cards when it came to cognitive function.
@@AquinasBased Not all people are born equal in regards to mental prowess. Has always been that way. Also, good luck forcing a kid to have high ambition if their mind isn't wired for it going into adulthood. Those parents who try to shove a square peg into a round hole end up doing damage as they force it in. Not saying you should not foster good work ethic, have them become well educated and teach them other misc skills, but it does not always lead to the same result. This can be easily observed in families with a lot of kids.
I have a high IQ, around 125. I have dyspraxia, ADHD and autistic traits. My maths skills are great , working memory average, processing speed average , perceptual organisation below average, coordination below average, better at some subjects than others .
There is something to be said for the person that society sees as the lower end of the spectrum.. Lower expectations are placed on that person, meaning less pressure to please others...Get this... My Father was a Chemistry and Physics professor. Smarter than 12 owls in a barn... Until he tried working on our family car... Replacing the lower radiator hose on a 1966 ford Galaxy 500 proved to much for him...
One should never underestimate what intelligent people can achieve by determination and ambition, or fail to do from lack of them. People eventually have to step out of their comfort zones and commit themselves to performing tasks that they are completely new to or ignorant of. Some are great theorists but awful at practical matter and vice versa. High IQ certainly is no guarantee for success in all things. People can still be remarkably inept at certain tasks even if they are geniuses at others. Intelligence overall is a topic that is full of preconceptions and misunderstandings.
One large aspect of the scarcity of jobs suitable for people with a low IQ is the industrialization of agriculture. I farmed organically for a few years, and even after row cultivating, there would still be weeds between the rows. I pulled quite a few by hand, and also hired it done. One of the simplest jobs someone can do is to tell the difference between a crop and a weed, and pull the weed. Hand pitching manure, feeding/watering livestock by hand, gathering crops in bundles, etc. In hunter/gatherer days, they could've moved heavy items around, collected firewood, done the basic processing of a carcass, etc.
The big thing is, with minimum wages and legislated benefits, one can't afford a menial worker. And the menial worker may not know much, but he knows his legal rights.
@@M.L.- In most developed countries, the minimum wage is so high farmers can mostly not afford to hire menial workers, so, they mechanise as much as possible. Many forms of mechanisation are so expensive, individual farmers can't afford them. That leads to corporate farming. Here in Australia, which has the highest minimum wage in the world, they had a huge olive farm on TV some time ago. Everything is mechanised. A giant machine travels over the olive trees, completely engulfing them, and, if I remember correctly, shaking them to get the olives to drop to the ground. Workers here have high wages and many entitlements, like paid paternal leave. Hence, economic activity that can leave the country has mostly left. The labels in the supermarket tell the story. Simple foodstuff, like baked beans, is more often than not imported from countries like Italy, France, Thailand, Turkey, and all over. Paying menial workers as if they were graduate engineers comes back to bite one.
There are millions with Baccalaureate and even Masters degree holders who cannot weed crop correctly. I’m not saying the ones that don’t want to … or think it’s beneath them. I mean literally capable of observing, making a decision, and acting.
@@M.L.- I could've paid someone $25/hour if they were putting forth effort. One time, I hired custom hand weeders, I think I paid $17k in total. There's money to be made hand weeding organic row crops. I use chemicals now, so it doesn't apply to me anymore.
@@VenerableBede2510 I was a kid and could weed correctly, I think they just didn't want blisters on their hands. It's very elementary to differentiate leaf types on mature crops/weeds.
Being stupid isn't easy. Life is so much harder. people may joke like we are flat out unable to interact with day to day people. The thing is I'm getting into subnetting and learning it well. But fuck its been so hard. It feels like average people have photographic memory in comparison to us. I just want to not be fucking choosing between paying my rent and whether or not I'm going to be able to take warm showers for the next month or so.
I was tested for IQ as a kid and it came out to be around 85. I was always interested in space so I worked towards that and now (10 years later) I have designed a high-powered rocket motor (16 - 18 KNs APCP if you are curious), and I'm currently designing the structure of a large student rocket (STRATOS V) having completed 2 years of Aerospace Engineering in university. I don't think IQ matters that much if it is possible for me to do this or if IQ can change this much.
Agreed. IQ is not an actual measurement of intelligence, simply of logic skills. And even if you don't have them at some point in your life, you can develop them.
It sounds like the person who transcribed the results of your test was distracted when recording them, or you were just having a bad day. A pound to a penny says if you retested you’d get a much higher result. Maybe you should try it. Either way, we’ll done! 👍😁
This is why socialism is so tantalizing for many. We dont talk about the fact that the wealth inequality stems from the competency disparity. Socialism keeps these high IQ lottery winners with egos in check. Im a capitalist at heart but I definitely would love if society atleast acknowledged this at a broader level.
What was not not covered in this lecture - neurodivergence in the workforce, and that often individuals with this trait are extremely proficient in one area, and have marked deficits in other areas. This trait impacts employment, and about 15-20% of the population have it.
I can attest to that, I have pretty severe ADHD & I struggle with unskilled labor jobs due to boredom, but I'm very good at absorbing a large amount of information in subjects I'm interested in. I'm learning how to code, as I want to become a software engineer & learning the course materials & making projects is significantly less mentally taxing than working at my current job at a pizza place. I'd also imagine my future career would be significantly less mentally taxing than my current job by extension
@@PauloSantos-dr9uo Yes, Paulo anyone on the spectrum or anyone whose brains differ from what is considered “normal” in terms of perception, learning, response to external stimulus, etc.
@@haydenb9074 Hayden, wishing you the best. I worked at a pizza shop for awhile as well! I am now work in retirement benefits. Technical skill acquisition is a good move in this economy. If you haven’t already, I recommend setting up a LinkedIn profile and networking with people in the field you are targeting; finding mentors is very helpful.
Well, demand on workplace skills has always increased. At first people had menial manual jobs where you could even be half drunk and still manage. In Denmark we had a drinking culture in many workplaces about 40 years ago. Then things started to be automated, an people now had to work faster and more efficient. They had to be able to run all these expensive machines without ruining them. So in a short span of years drinking basically disappeared from skilled work. I imagine the way it happened was that old drunks retired because they could see that their limited abilities and drinking habits didn't fit anymore or maybe they were just laid off....
I did an online IQ test, specifically openpsychometrics and scored an 88 overall. Which completely baffles me because I’ve always considered myself extremely average. I’m talented in writing and communications and I can memorize decently, but I’m neither the smartest person in every room, and usually not the most clueless either. My scores individually were 90-109 (spatial reasoning being my highest) but I think there must have been one segment that was math based which tripped me up. Yet I am currently in university for a biology degree with high marks in general. My chemistry and math are lower but I work reasonably hard and attain As in other classes. It’s just a total shock to me that according to this test, my IQ is only enough for a custodian role. Talk about crushing lol.
I suck at math and work a job within the 103-108 IQ range. I consider myself in the average intelligence range. I'm an administrative assistant. When I do need to do math, I just use one of the 3 different calculators I have bookmarked to save time lol I'm great at my job. I have to leave my position due to an upcoming move and I am not looking forward to training another person. It's hard to find people that pay attention to small details.
I'm a mathematician and most people would consider me a moron by these standards. Intelligence is not a concrete measurable thing. I'm terrified and terrible at social situations and I tend to be the absent minded professor for real when immersed in my work. I'm compelled to work on problems I find interesting to absolute exhaustion. Not smart. But it had nothing to do with intelligence.
There's such a thing as "math blindness" where numerical and mathematical relationships and theory just are not graspable. I think it's more common than believed. It may be one reason that memorizing multiplication tables and NOT doing "new math" looking at the theory behind the math works better for many people. Knowing 6x7 is 42 right out of memory is probably more useful than knowing that 2, 3,6, and 7 are factors of 42.
11:24 Mensa's criterion for membership is an IQ in the 98th percentile or above (top 2%), which corresponds to an IQ of 128-132, depending on the test. The reason for the slight variation in the number is that the distributions of scores produced by different tests all vary slightly from the perfect Gaussian curve.
This is totally me. I just started a mcdonalds job like a week ago and It takes me like a few hours to make a batch of fries and they always come out disintegrated. I think I'm gonna get fired soon but I really need this job.
Hang on there, bro. Everyone's got a mission in this life, also a low IQ person would not write what you wrote - at least your verbal IQW is definitely fine.
I am sceptical about generalized intelligence and IQ tests as a measure, as applied to everyone. But l recognise there are people who really struggle with things the rest of us assume are really easy and IQ is a way of describing them
@@kabalanstef9636 This is a very old debate. Most people nowadays accept the idea of multiple intelligences. I agree IQ has value but l do not agree with its uncritical acceptance and use as in this video and others.
If I remember correctly, IQ tests were originally created to screen for intellectual/mental disabilities, so it would make sense that they would not give a great representation of those without those disabilities.
@@kozodoev No idea why you are trying to pick a fight with me. If you do not know what multiple intelligences are, go read about it instead of proudly announcing your ignorance
@@jontalbot1 you're saying it like multiple intelligences is a real thing. It's some psychological mumbo jumbo, being "ignorant" of it is like being ignorant of astrology or crystal healing.
I am not entirely sure what my iq is, but I went to school to be a machinist. I make over $90,000 a year at Tesla and I only paid $10,000 to get my degree. I have a learning disability but it takes me twice as long to learn things than most people. Eventually when I start learning other skills, It takes me alot of time to study it but I always seem to surpass people who are smarter at that particular skill.
Amen brother, I have a high IQ, but I've always been a lazy fuck, it may take me half or even a quarter of the time to learn something compared to other people, but I've been humbled time and time by people with average IQ but the will of a saint. If you can endure toil and suffering you can do anything.
That’s a very good illustration of some of the limitations of IQ. It might take you longer but you have greater perseverance. I have worked in education for many years and what many people think is intelligence is often confidence or just knowing things others don’t. Incidentally l would love to have you as a student. I have a lot of time for people who try hard. Respect
Seems to me (from the presentation) that your IQ in this case is 98-95, so you're a banana, but hey, at least you're reeling in the cash! Nice! Hopefully the cash makes you happy. If it doesn't, I think that's a separate discussion, a whole other level of "IQ," and where ideas break down . . .
@@johannesswillery7855 It might’ve been unnecessary hate towards Peterson, but he’s not entirely off. You’ll find plenty of intelligent people with crank ideas, personality traits, etc (from our perspective as weirdness is really just a perspective).
@@mikeybroski3686 I get that. I've been down the rabbit hole regarding high IQ and the challenges that come with raising a child with such. One of the most profound bits of information we got was that a person 40 IQ points above the norm has many of the same struggles as the person 40 points below the norm.
I was measured at 140 and am pretty good at some things such as verbal skills, math, and also I have always had a very good memory. But if IQ was based on mechanical skills I would be at the bottom of the heap. Some folks are good at some things and bad at others, including those that may measure high on a modern IQ test.
Never had a job - 28 years old now and decided to learn to programming. I've come to realize my cognitive abilities just suck and I'll never be good at anything.
Not trying to be rude in any way but I think that programming is a job that typically requires high cognitive abilities. I've seen a lot of people without an elite IQ still make good money by targeting jobs that other people don't want to do or are physically not capable of doing. Construction, garbage man, truck driver, landscaping, etc. Regardless of which path you choose, best of luck to you, sir.
The effect of welfare on the average IQ of the population needs to be considered. Welfare essentially takes the burden of life away from the least productive portion of the population and puts it on the back of the most productive segment. This, of course, affects the reproduction rate of each group with the former being freed up to have more children at a younger age because of less financial restraints and the latter being inhibited by their responsibility of provide for themselves as well as the first group. If what Dr. Peterson is true and higher IQ people are the wealthiest, it's easy to understand how welfare affects IQ. The other factor that is counterproductive are politicians who are trying to create groups of loyal voters with never ending new forms of welfare. This is best illustrated by the Democratic party who encourages illegal immigration and funds them when they get here.
for all the peeps with ADHD, ur not dumb you just have a hard time harnessing your focus. once you learn a routine and you learn how to adapt to it. youll be good but it will still be a challenge, try to find support. I failed the ASVAB with a 20 then a 16 and the recruiter told me he did not want stupid people in "his" military, both times i tried for the first 10 mins then my focus went out the door. idk my IQ but i know its above average. 6 years later im in my second year of college for Cyber security planning to get my masters Im not gonna lie its tough and often i have a hard time learning things but with persistence you can do / learn anything. after i earn my masters degree i plan to go back to school for electrical engineering if i must. Never give up on your goal no matter what it is ( im going to be an astronaut one day i promise ) :)
Ngl ritalin or methylphenidate is a cheatcode. Dont take too much tho and especially not if youre a teen cause it will fuck up your growth due to reducing your hunger which makes you eat less. But it works wonders on your focus, like its actually a world of difference.
@@Mikeliving292 haha to someone whos uneducated or someone who hates for no reason it may seem impossible, im already working towards a STEM major dork in my second year, after that i have plenty of opportunities to get into a space program (wont be in space right away but ill possibly have my foot in the door) after if they require an engineer i will go back to school while working, i have knowledge and certs in Networking and can easily become a network engineer, or i can choose a new path and go to school for electrical engineering, ive already taken course for electronics, applying that knowledge to a degree program is very doable. It will be a lot of work, but thats why you never lose sight of your goal. Stop hating on people because you cant imagine great things for yourself. work on you homie.
@@Krixsix I'm content with where i'm at. I nearly make 6 figures a year, been with the same company coming up on a decade, and am happily surrounded by family who loves me. I'm just telling you the truth. You're never going to space. I'm not saying you won't be successful. Get back to me in 15 years and let me know if you went to space, "Homie".
@@Mikeliving292 Actually in 15 years visiting space doesn't sound too unrealistic if you are rich. Pretty likely SpaceX or virgin galactic will offer flights to orbit in 1-2 decades.
@@codenamepyro2350 what drug abuse, he had a withdrawal problem after he stopped taking a prescription, and if you have listened to pretty much anything he has said regarding transgenderism, he has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't hate trans people.
139 here. I've never got anywhere near a fulfilling job. It's been menial labour all my life. The very much lower IQd people I know are always much happier than me.
Yeah right beeing mentally blissed and possibly excel in any category human society has to offer (creative writing, coding, financial trade, engineering, etc.) is such a bummer and unfair! Give me a break...I ve clear goals and ideas I would like to see manifest but mental retardation just eclipse it all to the realm of impossible! You smart people have no idea how mentally excrusciating it is for someone with low iq who have to endure his entire life in a monotonous, uninspiring, unblissful state of mind where you ve to deal with seemingly impossible (& mentally drainings) tasks on an everyday basis normal people can do with no problem at all. @ryankennelly8582 @esKeptiko
I have no clue how you can get away with having an IQ below 90, but it seems you can live a pretty fulfilling life and career with average IQ, grit, and having a great personality.
I read an article about how it's a bit "easier" to get away with that in the u.s. Atleast Compared to much of Europe. There are a lot more "simple jobs" per capita in the u.s compared to the wealthier part of Europe.
We don't need lawyers who can do what any reasonably intelligent person can do on their own like appeal an unemployment claim, file an unpaid wage claim, sue in small claims court, etc.
Well, for one thing, average and unintelligent people often need legal representation. Moreover, as a person who works in law, you would be shocked to find out what reasonably intelligent people struggle with. Most of my work is about as complicated as the forms you fill out when you go to the dentist, but my clients still pay through the nose for it and are happy to do so. The fact is that plenty of reasonably intelligent people either can't or won't do any of the things that you listed.
@@UN1137 Not in most cases for the things I mentioned. Only a very complicated unemployment claim or wage claim requires an attorney if you're halfway intelligent.
It made me think about my life. I have very poor motor coordination, to the point where I can't play most of the famous sports competitively, I have terrible handwriting, an unproductive routine and laziness, and I also struggle with addictions. I always thought I was a case of low intelligence, but despite this, I got good grades at school, the teachers even said I was intelligent, but I feel I don't deserve to be considered because everything was so easy and meaningless. It just confuses me. I don't know what to do, I feel like I'm no good at anything. I lie down and rot while my former classmates who called me intelligent are all at university, but I feel I can't do the same because university seems too difficult for me, it seems too much for my intelligence. Sometimes I get propositional logic questions wrong and that makes me feel as dumb as a rock. I think I can't do anything productive in society, I can't contribute, it makes me feel like a nuisance and a dead weight to my relatives. I feel ashamed for being so dumb, for making my parents spend time and resources raising me.
I just watched the first part, and i am disturbed by the measurements and lists. Those are silly. Those are way too rigid and assume we know what intelligence is, that we can accurately measure it, that there is no mind-plasticity, so it doesn't change over time, and that it is all that is necessary for a particular occupation. It also assumes, whoever did this, that they know for sure what occupation someone is fit for, which is pure fantasy as it led to tracking which used to be a horrific school practice with schools deciding upper class people were all smart and were college bound and lower-class people were all stupid and belonged in trade classes in high school. This first part sounds more like the movie Gattaca than reality.
Yup. Problem with these presentations is that they feature too many presuppositions, as you say. One of these is taking IQ for granted as an undisputable empirical fact. I mean, a quick glance at the history of IQ will immediately tell you why the entire measure is bullshit. Intelligence is something far more complex than any reductionist number's game can ever unravel.
A dude in my unit was angry at the higher ups, so right before leaving he promoted all the 85IQ level people with rank above the others. That was a small disaster.
I (20 M) can’t really tell if I have a definitively low IQ or if I struggle with attention. Ever since I got the motivation to try in school after getting medication for mental health issues, I would take three times as long to finish assignments than the average person, just to get the bare minimum done. That worked ok in high school because the material wasn’t very in depth. As soon as I got in college, I started taking 20+ hours to get very simple assignments done. My whole life is re-reading instructions and not fully comprehending them, going back, losing my focus again, etc. I’m a CS student and the insane amount of time it takes to accomplish things is finally becoming unsustainable for my academic achievement. I also take an insane amount of time to do every day things as well, such as getting ready in the morning, doing chores, accomplishing routine tasks when I was employed, etc. I don’t know what to do at this point, because my future isn’t looking very good. My family hates me, I don’t have any friends because they all leave in the end, and I can’t do normal adult things that I should be able to do. I’m not sure what to do next.
l was assessed high school (exact quote) "significantly above average analytical skills". we didnt know it was autism. by age 57 l was so godam disgusted with the bullying and abuse brought on in part because of the autism, l then pulled it out of my sleeve and successfully started CPP Disability.
I think this is really important. There will always be people that need social assistance because they can't look after themselves. It's not their fault, it's not because their lazy. It's because they can't do it. I saw that as in issue in retraining. Most people that go through retraining never work in the job that they retrained for. It would be better to retrain the more successful minimum-wage workers to do higher-level jobs, thereby opening up positions for those who struggle to find minimum wage work.
I believe that the high IQ people who can contribute more need to subsidize the low IQ people who cannot. The middle range needs to enforce this . None of us chose our IQ. The middle range sustaines the population and should make the rules.
@@jamesrobertson2361 Indeed. This is one reason why in my country at least, taxes are rising to provide that subsidy. And as more people drop off the bottom of the lowest employable IQ because of task automation - in the name of efficiency - so taxes need to creep up to subsidise them.
I am autistic and I have IQ of 79, which is borderline mental retardation. Been bullied all my life and made fun of. Keeping a job was difficult because I learn slower and my processing memory is very slow.
my fluid reasoning is 79, i understand how you feel.. when you were younger, did you feel like life was less vibrant is the best i can put it?? i think i took an IQ test when I was like 6 or 7 at school and it said 50 something. i’m trying to recall what it was like back then and how i saw the world, to gather a better understanding of what life is like for the giga low iq and for the high.
People with low IQ's are probably some of the happiest people in society. They have the least responsibilities and don't have to worry about solving the worlds problems. Like the custodial worker at my former employer. He always had a smile on his face and greeted everyone with enthusiasm and was the nicest guy I ever knew. All us engineers on the other-hand, walked around all day with a frown on our faces and stressed to the max trying to meet project deadlines. I'm in medical school now and about to finish up. Going from engineering to medicine is probably going to be jumping out of the frying pan right into the fire as far as stressful jobs go.
People with a good support system are statistically the happiest. Intelligence has very little correlation with psychological pathologies. Only overworked, stressed and depressed ppl like to perpetuate that stereotype based on exceptionalism ideology to feel like their own self masochism/misery isn't actually an insult to their ego but a compliment to their greatness. You aren't stressing yourself out cuz the might of your brain is too much to carry, it's because whatever emotional instability it is that's pushing you to the career of your choice is more than you can cognitively/emotionally handle at the pace it demands of you. Also shame on you for talking about that man and judging him based only on perceived traits relative to your own.
this is not true and there is lots of research proving the opposite of the case. Less intelligent people are more likely to be depressed and even commit suicide.
Being high-er IQ doesn't necessarily mean your life is easier and/or better. It really comes down to money and access to property and credit. There are different intelligences too. A low IQ person may be a master builder or mechanic and, with some help, might be able to make a great life for himself or herself.
@@mysteryseaker1914 What tyranny? Many geniuses inclding Nikola Tesla believed in eugenics. David Attenborough said that humans are a plague on Earth and population control is a solution. A smaller society with higher IQ individuals woud be better in the sense of environmentalism and animal rights. The tyranny is happening now: Low IQ individuals don't care about progressive ideas like environmentalism and animal rights. And they can even vote.
I always had problems with general abilities and social skills due to low IQ. Despite all the promises, it never changed, and I never got to be useful. Infact: I learned that trust in mankind was misplaced. Then I started questioning why a God would not only create a world full of sin, but also set people up to failure from the very beginning by giving them negative traits. The answers that "Christians" gave me, never satisfied me, and it became a common occurence that scripture directly contradicted what these so called believers said. I started realising that - if the christian God was real - scripture held that he had incorporated the tendency to fail as an equalizer: "that no one may boast [of his own abilities -before God]" -and that this God [who came down as Jesus Christ] was infact actively working out salvation for ALL creation, ESPECIALLY the inept, the outcast and the sinful - because he created them "for this very purpose": to be saved by grace alone. And Scripture, even Christ's own words reflect this: -------------------------------- Mark 2:17: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. " John 15:18: "If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world... " 1 Corinthians 1:27 "But God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong. " -------------------------------- Enter "Alan Hess - God is not a psycho" and find out that Jesus Christ is the "Saviour of ALL men" and that "Hell is not eternal".
@ thesatanicwitchdoctor I dont subscribe to catholic or orthodox doctrine - including saints - because they put down the masses and lie. MANs religion is not GODs truth. Faith is simple, has NO need for anyone beside Christ OR any institution, and affirms that Christ ALONE will save ALL creation: (romans 10:9, romans 12:5, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 14:11). Hell is NOT eternal, but mistranslated as such.
key point here, don't miss it, is that as IQ is higher, unless you come up with a lucky idea and monetize it, your potential is extra sensitive to personality traits; he highlights conscientiousness since its positive outcomes are more consistent than say, agreeableness.
Interesting. My take is many people with high IQs, over 140, are not financially successful. MENSA, for example, has many members with regular jobs such as taxi drivers and hospitality positions. Any thoughts about this?
You can see which jobs a society values the most by the salary those people are paid (I'm not talking about speculators). And believe that people in normal average jobs are not valued so much AS architects, lawyers, rocket engineers.
The demand one knows that they can afford. This most often in a direct fashion is asked of those with a lower salary. People do spend quite a bit of money saving themselves time. They are fully capable, and may own the tools to do it. People know that repetition generally leads to better results faster. When they haven't had hundreds of hours of practice.
I'm going to be honest, that sort of job is NOT easy, there's so many things that can go wrong with folding paper like that, most jobs don't require that sort of precise dexterity.
Overlap this with the average IQ per country (Nice way of saying race), and this opens up some worm holes about where certain groups of people are today!😅
Well, US is in a league of its own with stupidity, but we now know that crossbreeding so many times is actually deluding our genes rather than seeing them "evolve" like people had hoped. So more nationalistic countries will always have more intelligent people as a whole, regardless of education.
There is definitely a problem. For example, with India, which has a lower than average IQ (not as low as some African countries), there are massive differences in IQ between cities and certain regions. For example, South India and Indian cities have an IQ at least 10-20 points higher than the rural areas (the majority of India). It seems that societal It's also no secret that India's intelligence is widely varied, which is why Indians within 30 years have completely upended the white collar structure in the UK, US, Canada, and Australia (the anglo world). Asians in general have broken the game that white (and to an increasing degree, Black) westerners (who are smarter than Indians on average by IQ, but have very little variation) played for centuries within a few decades. The only group to do this before were Jews, until they assimilated into the American white population.
