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@Rayrad 696 what kind of God died? What kind of God has regrets Samuel 15:11 ? what kind of God made mistakes ?Genesis 6:6, what kind of God make them believe lies Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 1 & 12.? What kind of God sent a lying spirit 1 Kings 22:23 ?
@Rayrad 696 sorry I won’t read your Magna Carta . Short answers give one an enthusiasm to reply but not yours as you seem desperate to thrush your failing ideology on me, something I prefer to ignore.
@Rayrad 696 I am glad your respond is short & thank you so much for this. The message of God have & must be universal . For God so love the world etc….& whoever believe in Jesus will not perish & have ever lasting life…..etc… If this was the PURPOSE of CREATION & PRE-REQUISITE for everlasting life, WHY was it not taught by Moses, David etc….. WHY did god not become 100% man & 100% god in the time of Adam & his off spring so that ALL MANKIND would have an equal chance to fulfil their purpose for existence & attain everlasting life ??? Did those BEFORE JESUS had another purpose for existence ???
@Rayrad 696 and why should we believe what the Bible says is true? In case you didn't realise the name of this video that you preached on is called THE SCANDAL OF FORGERIES IN THE BIBLE !!!
Whether you are a Christian, Jew or from any other religious background, as a believer of any faith you must ask all the fundamental questions about your own belief without any bias or emotions to come to the truth. Otherwise, its just a blind faith. At the end of the day everyone will die but our duty is to find the truth before we die. However, truth can only be found through open minded discussion and acceptance along with objective reading and understanding.
Prayer of Jesus; "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani (Ἠλί, Ἠλί, λιμὰ σαβαχθανί)" "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46, Mark 15:34) Surah Al-Araf, Verse 197: وَالَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِهِ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ نَصْرَكُمْ وَلَا أَنفُسَهُمْ يَنصُرُونَ And those whom you call upon besides Allah, are not able to help you, nor can they help themselves. Surah Al-Araf, Verse 194: إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ عِبَادٌ أَمْثَالُكُمْ فَادْعُوهُمْ فَلْيَسْتَجِيبُوا لَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ Surely those whom you call on besides Allah are in a state of subjugation like yourselves; therefore call on them, then let them answer you if you are truthful. Surah Al-Araf, Verse 198: وَإِن تَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَى الْهُدَىٰ لَا يَسْمَعُوا وَتَرَاهُمْ يَنظُرُونَ إِلَيْكَ وَهُمْ لَا يُبْصِرُونَ And if you invite them to guidance, they do not hear; and you see them looking towards you, yet they do not understand. Surah Al-Araf, Verse 199: خُذِ الْعَفْوَ وَأْمُرْ بِالْعُرْفِ وَأَعْرِضْ عَنِ الْجَاهِلِينَ Practice forgiveness and enjoin good and turn aside from the ignorant. via iQuran
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A local author raised this question in a recently published book (The Evolution of the Canon of the New Testament): Is the Holy Book a collection of holy books? Or is it a holy selection of a collection of books?
Therefore Allah warned people who have corrupted the scripture, saying in Quran: (2:79)" So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."
Moses couldn't have written the Torah, simple reason is in Exodus he is. Mentioned. After his death when Joshua was in charge after Moses died. It's is interesting that renowned bible scholar Bart Erhman says that nowhere in the new testament do they ssy they were eye witness accounts. The authors of 5he gospels are anonymous and later copies have names added? What I do find interesting is Matthew and Marks gospel it is claimed that some of it has actually been copied from each other..
@@tombuddy100 What I am saying and this is according to biblical scholars and is even mentioned in this video, that Matthew use Marks gospel to write his own, or parts of it.
I have read something long time ago, I don’t remember where exactly, it said in Arabic that Allah (The God) loves who seek the truth, whether he reach this to the ultimate truth or not, as long as the heart really meant good, he/she will be in high level in heaven Ali ibn Abi talib (the right hand of the prophet): people are three type: 1- عالم رباني = Scholar who know the truth 2- متعلم في سبيل نجاة = Learning to be saved 3- همج رعاع اتباك كل ناعق = clueless people whom follow every and each shouter Hopefully I was about to translate it well Peace is upon you Paul 💙
Without this effort youre making; bringing this information from senior clergy members in clear language wed struggle to get this message across to the christian world. This way we can just show them the link. Its saved so much time and effort in dawa work. Grateful to you both for working towards truth and bridging the gap between our respective faiths. Its actually a step towards unity. Ive personally always viewed the bible as our old testament and not a separate faith at all. Its a more accurate and healthier view to hold.
Muslim and Christian claim that they both believe in Jesus. 🙏 *I CHALLENGE CHRISTIANS TO EXAMINE WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY TAUGHT (THE AUTHENTIC TEACHINGS OF JESUS).* 🙏
*HOW TO KNOW WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY TAUGHT (THE AUTHENTIC TEACHINGS OF JESUS) ?* WE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO KNOW WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY TAUGHT (THE AUTHENTIC TEACHINGS OF JESUS)......AND THAT IS FROM “THE AUTHENTIC VERSES”……..THE VERSES THOSE AUTHENTIC FROM JESUS HIMSELF OR FROM “THE REAL DISCIPLES”. OFF COURSE, WE DON’T WANT UN-AUTHENTHIC VERSES !!! NOW LETS EXAMINE WHICH VERSES THOSE WERE AUTHENTIC FROM JESUS HIMSELF OR AT LEAST FROM “THE REAL DISCIPLES”. I DON'T SAY THAT ALL VERSES IN "NOWDAY NEW TESTAMENT" ARE 100% AUTHENTIC OR 100% FAKE. NOW, HOW TO KNOW WHICH VERSES THOSE WERE AUTHENTIC FROM JESUS HIM SELF OR FROM “THE REAL DISCIPLES” ? OFF COURSE, WE NEED TO VALIDATE WHICH VERSES WERE AUTHENTIC AND WHICH VERSES WERE NOT. THEN LETS VALIDATE EVERY SINGLE VERSE IF IT WAS AUTHENTIC OR NOT. TO VALIDATE EVERY SINGLE VERSE, WE NEED TO EXAMINE TWO THINGS : 1). THE SOURCES CHAIN 2). THE CONTENT LETS EXAMINE : 1). THE SOURCES CHAIN OF THE VERSE HAD TO BE CLEAR AND CREDIBLE. EVERY SINGLE MAN OF THE NARATORS MUST BE CLEAR AND CREDIBLE 2). THE CONTENT OF THE VERSE HAD TOBE VERIFICATIONABLE IF IT WAS GOOD, STRANGE, CONTRADICTIVE OR ANYTHING. NOW, LETS PICK ANY VERSE TO BE EXAMINED FIRST !!!
Problem is this: Christians claim their Bible has the true teachings of Jesus. Modern Muslims claim the true teachings of Jesus have been lost and Christians made up their own version. In other words, according to some Muslims, there are no teachings of Jesus. He's basically lost to history.
@@Asiyah2000 Historical evidence exists from the Christians, the Jews, the Romans, the Greeks, etc. His public execution took place during a massive festival. So a famous individual was reported killed in full view of thousands of people. The claim that it didn't happen, only has weak theories at best.
Correct me if I am wrong. The only text quoted here is 2 Theslonians 2:2 NIV version - Not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us-whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter-asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. KJV version - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. This text is denouncing false teachings and letters which claim that the second coming of Jesus Christ had already happened and is clearly telling the brethren that they are not to believe in such. This text is about a specific topic yet it is presented as though Paul was making a general statement about all of his works. 2:46 - 3:41 Your analysis is like someone saying, “I don’t wear slippers in the winter because my toes can’t stand the cold…” and you trying to imply that the person said they don’t wear slippers at all regardless of the season. The matter was about a specific topic, the second coming of Jesus. This is the third video I have watched from this channel but I only find half-truths and misrepresentations of biblical texts. Clearly, you REALLY hate the bible and keep trying to find ways to attack it. Your videos about the bible are very misleading. Proverbs 12:22 Try focusing on the real enemy. The enemy of God is Satan. When devil worshipers, wizards and witches, send demonic forces to attack or possess an individual I have never heard of an incident where anyone performed a successful repulsion nor exorcism calling on any being other than Jesus Christ. Not Buddah, Allah, Shiva, the list could go on. Also, life over death has been proven in the incident with Peter and Tabitha. Acts 9:36-41. Satan has no power of life over death. If you want to prove your belief is the truth then show us life over death.
We have a predicament..... How do we rectify the forgeries or do we proceed with the general consensus that certain books are to be taken with the proverbial pinch of salt. I ask humbly.
To Blogging Theology Brother Paul, again you have come up with atheory which even Jason was not comfortable to accept. You interpret a verse incorrect and make it your own view for eg 2nd Thessalonians 2:2, "not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us--whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter--asserting that the day of the Lord has already come." Paul clearly mention there are some teaching which claim that the Lord has come and they might claim receiving through prophecy, word or mouth through the apostles hence one should not believe in it. This doesnt reduce the authorship or that the letters of Paul was not written by him hence calling it forgery would be blank theory which i found Jason Barton not comfortable to confirm on forgery. He said you can call it forgery if it happened but there are strong argument that the letters were written by Paul. Brother Paul it would be good if we can discuss. These are serious charges and there is no solid foundation.
@@mw6836 But how do understand scholars are correct. It's we have to search and seek. Don't you need to know how scholars has arrived and the problem with Paul is he is building foundation on somone else conclusion. Where is his own research.
@@mw6836 M W WHINES: "listen man don't act like like you know better than the actual scholars" Biodegradable Bill RESPONDS: "Actual scholars" opinions are worthless for determining TRUTH and they are no more authoritative than your opinion. Scholars contradict each other and of course you will pick and choose the scholars that SUPPORT your opinions! Every man decides for himself what TRUTH is and will stand in the Final Judgment ALONE, not with a gang of scholars backing up your worthless opinions. MATTHEW 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the DAY of JUDGMENT. MATTHEW 12:37 For by THY WORDS thou shalt be justified, and by THY WORDS thou shalt be condemned.
@@aashishacharya2204 I don't really get the point you're trying to make but what do you think this means 5:17. this is a christian biblical scholar saying it not paul.
Perhaps a deity just wants to see how gullible mankind is. But them it's attribute of omniscient power is questioned as just like the Issac thing, the deity knew the answer before the question.
Isn't Paul of Tarsus (isn't any better than Paul William, hahah) the father of Liars? Didn't he admitted himself as one in Rome 3:7? Why his books or his teachings just aren't gotten rid off for good? As the the church fathers, clergies, apologists did so much of lies in their life to defend absurdities, such the trinity? Doesn't he make people throughout the world be in astray?
How can we trust the New Testament texts ? Easy, Jesus started a Church with an infallible teaching authority. That infallible teaching authority infallibly chose which texts God had inspired to be part of sacred scripture. This is only an issue for protestantism.
lots of heavy terms used. 😁 Engineer builds robot. Robot unintentionally break glass. Engineer : "Rob, torture and kill my son if you want to avoid termination". or Give additional instructions to avoid further mistake in the future? 😊
So let me get this straight. We cannot trust the gospels because the writers are not specifically identified and so may not be by eye witnesses. We cannot trust some of the Epistles because the writers do make claims of authorship but we obviously cannot believe them and the forgers have just used famous names to seek authority. But the anonymous gospel writers used such famous individuals as ...er...Mark and Luke? Seriously? Why not pick a famous Apostle? Of course. I get it now. People back then were all just stupid. A hundred years after the death of Peter, someone writes a letter that no one has ever heard of , supposedly from Peter who has been dead for decades. That makes sense. Sounds like Monty Python to me. .....And now for something completely different.
So, if a book from the NT does not have an authorship, then it's from 2nd century and it's a forgery, but if it does have an authorship, then it's from 2nd century and it's a forgery? 😂
@@tombuddy100 : A generation ago, Robinson in his famous book ' Redating The New Testament' argued that the entire NT could easily have been written before 70 AD. He played devil's advocate and showed popular scholarly theories are built on shifting sands . not solid rock. I'm still waiting for someone to find - or should I say 'forge' - 'Q'. For such an important collection / document , I'm amazed not a single Church father mentions it.
@@ewankerr3011 Valid reasoning in you first post. Why would someone write a book that is part of the NT, and specify a "famous" apostle as the author. How would the apostle be famous in the first place if the apostle did not author anything? However, if other apostles wrote about that apostle, and made him famous that way, then those apostles must have authored the books. If no apostles wrote any part of the NT, how was any apostle famous in the first place?
@@ewankerr3011 Why would they? - it's a hypothetical construct of modern scholars as part of the Two Source solution to the Synoptic problem. As reconstructed the source is of 235 verses, and is basically a 'sayings' document, leaving out reference to events in Jesus life, and his Passion. It's not impossible that collections, or a collection of Jesus' sayings circulated, but not in the form of a Gospel, and became lost. Presumably the Gospel writers had access to sources (and testimonies) now no longer extant, that we can only know of through careful analysis of the Gospel texts as they have come down to us. (Hence the different methodologies in biblical criticism.)
72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ''Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).'' But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: ''O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'' Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers. 73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ''Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).'' But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. 74. Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). 76. Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): ''How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.'' 77. Say (O Muhammad SAW): ''O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path.'' Al-Maidah | Qur'ān Chapter 5 verses 72-77 Interpretation of the meanings of the noble quran By - Muhsin Khan & Taqi-'ud-Din in English
Shamoun disgrace,even to his own,no manners disrespectful abusive and a downright liar,we all have our concious and convictions,but they need to expressed in a respectful way,something shamoun can never achieve
Paraboy Quran 13:12 It is He who shows you the lightening, causing fear and hope. And He produces the heavy clouds. - (and lightening fertilises soil.)
@Steven Ricketts Maybe you should do research about how Quran was actually compiled. Don't take info from David Wood or Apostate prophet, do your own research
@Steven Ricketts stop telling lies,the quran compiled and complete in the lifetime of the prophet pbh by recitation,,it was brought into book form at the time you say,there misprints and certain editions,so they were done away with,
Not so at all. There is a vast range of texts in the Bible, even a set called The Apocrypha which are usually not included in non-Catholic editions. Form criticism and redaction criticism, as well as many other approaches help in the understanding. of this vast variety of ancient texts. Some are less central than others, the minutiae of the Law codes in Leviticus, for example - and now that there is no Temple, many of the rules governing priesthood and sacrifice are redundant. It all depends on how one understands Biblical inspiration, and the formation of the Canon, and the role of the Church both in the formation of the Canon, and how then that Canon is used, in common worship, teaching and prayer. In a way, there isn't much of a debate going on, and much less head-scratching than you might imagine.
@@jamesupton4996 there are many different types and version's of the bible, since some have been deliberately edited and changed non can be found to be 100% accurate, therefore you are just assuming, does your version of bible mention eating of pork is forbidden? So why do you still consume it then, you claim to be serious about your faith and your bible, but don't take heed of it, this position leaves you so called Christians whether you believe or just don't care about your religion seriously...celebrating Easter is pagan tradition and you still do it, you are not the faithful person who you believe to be, you are lieing to your self and to others around you....
@@mazariqbal9514 I can't offer sacrifice in the Temple in Jerusalem either, yet that's central to worship in the Pentateuch, as well as many other laws. The history of the formation of the Canon of Scripture is well documented, as are the variations. The content of the Canon has been pretty much settled since about the end of the second century. Modern scholarship continues to produce better and better texts. No particular manuscript is considered the one and only inspired one - which leads to my next point. For most Christians, a literal interpretation of the words of the bible is not necessary for seeing it as the word of God. Some texts are central, but not every text has equal value. It's seeing them in the context of the whole that matters. As a Christian I will attend the Easter Liturgies in Church, which take priority, being the most important celebrations in the Church's year and they're a re-enactment of the death and resurrection of Jesus. The date changes every year, and it is in alignment with the Passover, the festival Jesus was celebrating at the Last Supper. I reject your depiction of the Christian mind-set as involving some sort of false consciousness. I think we would disagree on what you would call 'accuracy'; the Bible is foundational and central, the inspired word of God - but how the idea of Divine inspiration is applied to ancient texts that then become normative in the Christian community, is fascinating. After all, the only Scripture of the earliest Christians, and the New Testament authors was the Old Testament.
That's why the bible shouldn't be considered as holy as it is, If you know the true meaning of the word...there is only one holy book and that's the holy Quran which has never ever been altered....still the same way as first time since revealed to prophet Mohammed 1450 years ago..4 billion muslims all around the world can't be wrong, even Christians are converting to it... People from all faiths and no faith are converting to it because they have changed their old beliefs and come to the truth about Islam and its beginnings, Islam was given by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to prophet Mohammed, this is Islam and not manmade like other religions, that's why it's so special and holy....it will outlast all your different types of bibles, God's word is more powerful than man's and God does not lose in anything he says, that's why he is almighty God the most high, only one and not three....
The bible was most certainly a holy book 100%. However,it has been changed and forgeries have appeared in it throughout time and therefore no longer in it’s original form. As a muslim,I have to believe in the validity of the original uncorrupted version but of course that version no longer exists.
Failed prophecy some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
