"The scene is too woke" 

They/Them Art Is Murder

Whether you’re woke, anti woke or neither the current social climate in our culture is overwhelmingly cringe.

I fucking love Limp Bizkit and I'm not ashamed.

I listen to Bad Omens because they sound good I'm married with 2 babies under 2 so don't need to listen to them to get laid.

I feel like the word woke lost it’s meaning in the last couple years. Just like people used to call everyone a fascist, people call everyone woke. Just a different side of the same coin.

The fact that people hated the trapmetal video doesn't mean they would hate any other video about new music... Maybe it's trapmetal that people hate, not new music in general.

Mid sells 🗣️🗣️🗣️

People should just stop using the word “woke” and replace it with what it really was meant to denote, namely hyper-sensitive progressivism.

I genuinely like Bad Omens. I was recently waiting in line at a concert and I started talking to this guy next to me in line, he said that he doesn’t like how “anti-god” Bad Omens are. I responded: “funny, that’s one of the reasons I was attracted to the band.”. I don’t understand listening to rock and metal and being shocked when you find out that there’s a lot of blasphemy and anti-god subject matter, like in the BMTH situation, you have these supposed fans of the band who are outraged about the concert flyer that read “if Jesus comes back we’ll kill the the fu***r twice” or whatever it said. Why is that where they drew the line in the sand? Lmao Imagine calling yourself a fan without even knowing what the band is writing about.

My biggest issue with the anti woke people is they just think anything they even mildly disagree with is now "woke". I saw someone say that a character in a video game being a woman is the "woke agenda" lmaooo

Main channel: meh This channel: weeee! Papa Finn dropped another top tier tierlist!

Hot take: Bad Omens is kinda.... boring Edit: My girlfriend is a guitar nerd, and I met her at one of our shows. She complemented me on my guitar skills. Guess I won the lottery on that one.

Depends usually if you bring or have a group majority from Tiktok or twitter versus just real life individuals who aren't chronically online all the time.

I cackled when Finn read "your content is mid" and without hesitation replied back with "I think that's being generous" 😂

I actually enjoyed when you spoke about Emo Rap and Trap Metal. I discovered cool artists thanks to you. Thank you for opening my eyes to these genres. Maybe people like me who like to discovering new things should try to be more vocals than metal nerds...

Woke used to mean awake, as in paying attention to what was really going on.

I'm rather annoyed with both the woke AND anti-woke people. I genuinely dont care about either type of person. I just live my best life, doing/being my own thing. 😬

This channel is your main channel as far as I'm concerned. Limp Bizkit dirty talk is pure gold.

Honestly nowadays if I hear somebody use the word 'woke' unironically I either laugh or roll my eyes.

If he said that about Alex cause of his tattoo that's weak. People can change for the better. If we act like that why would people want to be better if everyone going to treat them the same no matter. It just encourages people to remain horrible because that's all you'll ever be able to be

At this point in life - I'm 35 - I listen to artists based on if I like them or not. I dont care about their politics, their social media, that they've been accused of, if they are supposedly a "fascist" or some woke activist. I care about how they sound and how it makes ME feel when I listen to it. I've got 3 young kids, a high mortgage payment, and I probably have to get a second job to help actually save some money for future expenses. When I listen to music, I am NOT worrying about what other people say about them. One of the best things in life is learning this lesson: Dont have any shame or guilt for enjoying the music and media you do. IF people bring up the fact its "questionable, problematic, woke, or whatever ist or ism", you simply say, "I dont care or give a shit." IF they make a huge deal about that and suddenly dont want to hang out with you or be your "friend", good riddance. You dont have time for that shit or want it in your life. Misery loves its company. Shun those people like the plague and let them wallow in the sludge together. Life is short. Enjoy it.

I swear there’s so many huge parts of the punk and metal histories that you haven’t covered yet, but a lot of us would love for you to comment on and make videos about. The typo negative video was a very, very awesome and welcome change. Goth is MASSIVE chapter in punk history and it’s still going strong. Check out Drab Majesty’s Demonstration album. Industrial needs you Finn. And that not all. There SOO much shit we would love for you to cover that won’t upset your audience.

I do think there has been a rise in wokeness in the rock/metal scene and I do find it pretty annoying when these people feel a need to be like “Reminder that racism is bad!” “Reminder that trans rights are human rights!” because it’s like “Yes dear, we know.” But I also think it’s a waste of energy to care about people doing that because I’m just sick of politics no matter what, and it gets in the way of why it is that we enjoy art. It doesn’t matter who’s worse or who’s more annoying and I also think it’s a waste of time to argue about that.

I vehemently disagree with the trap metal assessment but I still watched it and appreciate your knowledge of it. Filthy millennial but I like that "bad" video and would much rather watch that than fucking Fred durst. Limp bizkit was dogshit then and nothing has changed

Woke and anti woke are both pretty insufferable. Most people are rational nuanced people so I've never met many in reality. Feel like it's just meaningless chatter on the interwebs most times.

First time i heard the word "woke" was during a discussion about a book i had just read on the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and the second time was some guy whining about how the new dragonlance books have a black woman as the main character. Only a couple years apart if that tells you anything about the dumbing down of our society

I'm also wondering how that Bad Omens take is a bad thing, lmao. I started talking to a girl this semester, and the first time we hung out, she asked me if I liked System of a Down. I made the correct choice by saying that I do (which isn't totally a lie, I do like some of their songs, but they lose me when they start singing about pizza toppings or whatever). We've gotten together several times since, and we're going out today. Sometimes, it's in your best interest to be the Bad Omens guy. Sincerely, a guy that doesn't like Bad Omens

Isn't the point of your "Finn" channel to be able to talk about what you want? I'm not a creator and know nothing about RU-vid. But I would love it if you posted all the nostalgia stuff on the PRMBA channel and your individual opinions on this channel.

The modern metal scene definitely has some woke nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of messaging, but when you try to beat people over the head with it, to make yourself look more virtuous, it’s annoying. Not to mention the losers trying to cancel musicians simply because they can’t handle their opinions is wild. Y’all need to chill lol

At 2:53 **in the sing songy of Stabbing Westwards "What do I Have to Do?"**...... Finn: "What am I supposed to do!?". Someone should chop this sound byte up and put it to that song😂😂

What did CJ do? Genuine question.

I don't care what people think. I care what they DO with their actions. This isn't Minority Report where there are thought crimes.

You and Henry Rollins seem to have a lot in common hehehe. Also about "woke", I do agree with them to some extent. I don't really like it when people adhere to the moral crusade of political correctness and policing everyone on what and what not to say. There's a difference between, for example, satire and genuine malicious intent. And I love satire (and trolling, unfortunately for some. Hehe).

"No one watched my emo trap video. That's the only genre of music so I guess I'm stuck with nu metal"

Finn stop whining if you're gonna keep uploading shit, you're like that one co worker who's been on the company for way longer than you and won't shut up about how much he hates his job and he's leaving soon. There's many people like me who support you and your content but this "I'm trapped making content I don't like cause that's what sells 😭😭😭" is getting really tiring dude for real

I took a girl to a bad omens show and about 3 months later we needed up saying.. currently about to hit the two year mark in a few months….

Hey Finn, your mid-content is better than 99% of other people's non-mid content.

About your writer's block: Just a guess (might be obvious) but do you consider covering bands which are within your target range (nu metal, 2000s nostalgia, hardcore, crust, grind, straight edge, punk, pop punk) but modern iterations of that. I'm sure there's many new bands within these categories and you probably already know more of them than I do. You could talk about new scenes, explain them, do some research about them, maybe an interesting scene from another country. It would bring some freshness definitely.

Caring that things are "woke" reveals a lot about a person that maybe they should just keep to themselves.

4:08 had a metronet guy servicing my router hear this… got a funny look. Thanks Finn

Woke is another catch-all term for stuff terminally online people don't like and want to whine about. Very few people on the anti-woke camp want to recognize how much they're just the old man yells at cloud meme.

I loved all your videos about emo rap and metal trap. The whole emo rap thing is actually one of my favorite genres and i thought it was great that someone like you was talking about it. And i wish you'd go back to talking about stuff like that but i understand that it doesn't sell.

Woah.. good morning everyone 😅

Finn in the driver seat, alongside When We Were Young, driving the Nostalgia train for food, and scholarship for his child. I respect that.

The funny thing is my favorite videos are about stuff like trap metal because it gave me perspective and recommendations on bands I’ve never heard of.

I agree, I think most woke people have no idea why they think the way they do and the same goes for most anti woke people. They are just happy to be apart of something and don't really care if they are right or wrong it just makes them feel like they belong. People care more about being accepted by groups than being educated. It is hard and scary to think for yourself because it can challenge what you believe in, and that can be uncomfortable and scary, and who wants uncomfortable.

Finn is so anti-woke he’s woke! 🤣

Finn, I feel like people think I like Shoegaze and Deftones to get e-girl poontang. :/ Its tough, I just keep it to myself and use my air buds.

4:17 Someone got soo excited they resubbed for another 6 months

Both sides have zero self-awareness, when you spend all your time focusing on others you tend to neglect yourself

ever thought about making another channel for the stuff you wanna talk about? i love you now and then, having both would be awesome!

What did Alex Terrible do?

That Shayne Smith podcast was solid.

There is a thought that stops thought and that is the only thought that ought to be stopped.

Why were architects mentioned in the same breath as Thy Art and Alex Terrible? What did I miss?

What’s the name of that K-pop artist to use as an example?

I like believing in critical thinking as well. I'm a 43 Xennial Finn and your content is great. We disagree about things here and there but critical thinking allows me to let people have opinions different than mine. I liked your vids on Trap Metal/Emo Rap...especially the one on $uicideboy$...it helps me feel relevant. Most everyone gets stuck listening to the music around from their age of 17 to 25... for any age. Don't get stuck. You help me with that.

I'm not complaining but I want to know if I'm going crazy. Is this cut from an older video? It sounds familiar

"Say you love Limp Bizkit"😂

Being an intelligent and critical thinker is what made the left push me so far to the right. You start to recognize patterns and ideological inconsistencies and the left reeeeeally doesn't like it when you start pointing that stuff out.

@09:14 you've said this before and as the father of a 16 y/o kpop stan this is pure facts even the american kpop stan asethetic is closer to emo.

what do you think of "Espresso" by Sabrina Carpenter? I think it's super catchy and is the type of pop you said you wanted.

Did I just notice that Winnie the Pooh is doing Gangnam style in that video?? You’re a genius Finn, it’s so cringe and perfect.

I loved the trap metal video that you did. You introduced me to Ghostmane. I never really liked rap before, but Ghost-manes mix of industrial And synthwave mixed with rap and some metal elements is fantastic.

Compared to Controversy, it made Alex Terrible more talked about and STP more popular while Thy Art kicked out their Frontman CJ and immediately replaced him.

"I have no principles and simply move with the wind toward whatever is most popular or the least annoying" is basically your position. The fabled "enlightened centrist," Finn Mckenty, whose worldview is essentially a mix of marketing textbooks and Joe Rogan's podcast. Please keep lecturing us, it's not annoying at all. Maybe tell us about all those movements the enlightened centrists have won throughout history? Depending on how you frame that issue, there are basically none. There have been and always will be "teams," whether you like it or not, and one of those teams will always emerge the winner. Actual critical thinking should lead you to principled positions or you're doing it wrong. Once you have principles you inevitably find yourself on a side(s.) The whole "enlightened centrist" thing is a meme that disingenuous people use to toe some imaginary line in order to try and please everyone. This is you, Finn. It's probably also why so many people react negatively to you, considering all the trolling and strong positions you take while simultaneously getting annoyed by people who are trolling and taking strong positions on things. I think you should avoid politically charged topics, be yourself, and stop with the smug lectures. I enjoy your videos and will continue to watch, regardless.

can you review food spots in washington?

I don't know Finn I've said it before I'd love any content you put out and I'd like to see stuff on modern Bands..

I think the reason why K-pop is considered alternative is because all of the other genres of music has been oversaturated for decades, and K-Pop is genuinely something new and fresh

Never been here to early! Good morning Finn!

Im 42. I loved your trap metal and emo rap videos. Those videos introduced me to both genres. Thank you.

All Alex did was state his own mind it's how he grew up, your also forgetting that he is from russia where being LGBT is heavily frowned upon and is even criminal in some parts of russia.

Woke and Bigot are two words that gets tossed around lately and i feel like theres no meaning behind them anymore. Just listen to music and worry less if artist is "on your side"

I’m not even a morning person and here I am trying to be woke in time for work today

When did Alex get canceled? Or when did they try again to cancel him again?

I enjoy your backgrounds of different bands. You kinda drop your opinion of their respective albums. I dig that. Maybe do one on Acid Bath.

6:32 Is the absolute epitome of FACTS 💯

I begrudgingly watched the Trap Metal video when it was first released. By the end of it I was educated on a sub-genre I was previous unaware of, even if I still wasn’t a fan of it. At the least, I can appreciate the benefit in that. Just waving from that side of the crowd.

Finn what is a woman?

I'm familiar with what CJ said, but what did Alex Terrible do?

Managed to work in New music for me to check out!!!

What happened to Alex terrible

Hello Finn, This is a short one 😢 Your sad friend, -Bob Jenks

Finally a video I can get mad about and voice all of my unsolicited opinions in the comments, been a while! I feel seen and validated! Next time let's talk about Tom Macdonald again but not before I get my fix of another video about nu metal! (Just don't tell anyone that I enjoyed trap metal video a lot ok?)

American Pop was certainly in a deep freeze for a while. I called it the trapification of pop and I’d say it started around 2016 and went into the early 2020s, but over the last couple years I’ve noticed more vibrant and varied sounds again in pop music

Edgy boys living on the edge and being surprised when they topple off should truly not be a thing like stop whining about "cancelation" after years of explicitly trying to provoke a reaction

How about a Video about Trip Hop? On my way home i was suddenly asking myself, wtf is trip hop. I just can't explain what Trip Hop is, or was. I don't even know if it's still around

The words people are looking for are feminist, marxist and communist. As for Tate McRae... she's a Britney rehash. Not my cup of tea, it sounds like what I listened to in the 90s when I didn't even like rock music when I was a pre-teen. This is a problem I've realised I've had when I started watching your channel in 2018: it was a nostalgia binge. Now, I don’t even care so much for what I used to listen to. I think this is the difference between Americans and Europeans: Americans live in the here and now (Iced Earth being an exception) and Europeans commemorate history and national lore. There's a strong stream of metal bands emerging over in Europe. It boils down to this: rock, jazz and metal bands and classical/folk orchestras are a gathering of acquaintances who play music as a group. They negotiate their differences and create work together. Aside from the usual criticism of pop and rap, barely anyone complains those artists are usually solo singers full of narcissism. They also like to disrespect and engage in sportsball style trash talk. It's music for small minded individuals. It sums up the decline of modern society, the whole me me me mentality of people wearing scantily clad clothing and taking on bogus pronouns. It's automised individualism on steroids. As a whole, there are very few solo artists I have ever liked (and they usually have a guitar playing if I like their music). Your channel is interesting in showing how America used to have communities of people doing activities together (such playing in a band together), but recent American music is full of solipsistic singers and rappers chasing success for themselves. It's just them and a beat machine. Boring, uninspiring music that's being rehashed endlessly on the radio for 30 years. It's not new and a lot of it is highly misandrist. Considering you have a son, you should seriously acknowledge that. And as for your belief that metalheads are unhappy people at heart, that's your experience in hardcore influenced music. Not power, symphonic and classic metal, where most of them don't take themselves seriously. Stop acting as a spokesman for metal because you act like there's nothing with pop and rap music when there's plenty wrong with it. It's practically mind control and represents a worship of oneself and personality disorders.

What happened with Alex and Architects?

I wasn't in high school from 99-07 😢 I'm old.

Well those wikipedia summaries are very enjoyable for me ( also I wish the people did appreciated it when you did different things )

You have to create a second channel that explicitly introduces modern music to middle aged dudes interested in learning. Those who bitch about non-nu metal and emo nostalgia content don't need to join, they can remain on this channel. It filters out those uninterested. Everyone gets what they want. The channel name would need to make the content clear.

4:45 - 5:31 - Papa Finn preaching straight truth.

Nothing wrong with mid. We need mid. ❤

What if you made a separate channel for non metal/punk topics? Pop Rock MBA maybe? Could work, would love to see more non metal content tbh 😅

I stand with Finn. Thinking critically > choosing a "team"

Both sides are annoying, they just sound different when they annoy me.

I like you to make video essays on underrated bands that you love or that deserves a listen, fuck what people wants to watch.

Ive been watching you for years and really enjoyed when you branched out and did new music, opened my eyes to some new stuff..... But im not old 😂

I wish people would stop the bullshit with Alex Terrible. Dude has repeatedly explained his past and his mistakes. He’s out here trying to be a better person and people just run with any rumors about him without digging beyond the surface. Also I have no idea what CJ did or Architects so before saying something stupid, I’ll read about it.