The Science of Pokemon Catching! | A Programming Mathsterpiece 🤓 Gnoggin

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What is Catch Rate in Pokemon? What about the Modified Catch Rate? The capture method? Ball-chance? Why is there so much math in my Pokemon?
This video hopes to explain the evolution of Pokemon catching, how the programming of the formula has changed over several generations. Get ready for numbers! Hopefully they're correct!
Gnoggin, hosted by its creator Lockstin, is a show delving into the mysteries of Pokemon! (and other games sometimes too). Explaining everything there is to explain! Why is each Pokemon given the type it has? What are their origins? What is the lore of the Pokemon world and the design inspirations? And what does it all have to do with alchemy? Let's Go find out!

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5 апр 2021

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@ShayTheValiant 3 года назад

Me, who doesn't really understand math: I like your funny words, magic man.

@vatsalsrivastav5195 3 года назад

It was a simple one though

@alexanderboyd4026 3 года назад

Me in top set I like your funny words magic man

@CelestialTabris 3 года назад

@billyjawonka1567 3 года назад

One of the longest living memes

@mewho8993 3 года назад

HAY IM MEW WHO! but ya same

@Zenlore6499 3 года назад

“200-sided die” sounds like a nightmare to figure out which side is up

@marcoasturias8520 3 года назад

Isn't that arbitrary? I mean, what's the up side of a cube?

@finnleyhart4405 3 года назад

@@marcoasturias8520 I think they mean it would be difficult to tell what number is at the top because the angle would be so small between sides

@marcoasturias8520 3 года назад

@@finnleyhart4405 yeah, too close to a sphere I guess. However, assuming it can still stay up right, you could check the opposite, since those sides are always complementary. Or is it just with 6 sided die?

@NoNamesLeft0102 3 года назад

@@marcoasturias8520 little difficulty with that set up on a 4 sided die. But a d6, d8, d12, and d20 follow that rule. A d10 is a little wonky to tell. Means. Checking a few sets of die I had on hand.

@yeah5895 3 года назад

I've got a 100 sided die and it already is a nightmare to figure it out. I think that a d200 just wouldn't work

@pigeon6375 3 года назад

I don’t understand any of this but it’s a good video!

@User-d6l6t 3 года назад

By gen 3 & 4 I was lost 😞

@bigsalmon7973 3 года назад

@@User-d6l6t lucky, I was lost in gen 1

@Ronzell-bl 3 года назад

@Ubersupersloth 3 года назад

@@bigsalmon7973 Same.

@badhacker1334 3 года назад

@@bigsalmon7973 I was lost when he started saying numbers

@evillecaston 3 года назад

Most people: Ew, math is complicated and boring! Me: Is Lockstin's hair using cubic splines to approximate a Ralts horn?

@eldritch_whispers1654 3 года назад

Lockstin: math math math Everyone: clearly confused Me: damn Lockstin's editor is so fuckin good

@weebtrashman1725 3 года назад

He is

@DogotheHobo 3 года назад

not actually, but ok?

@Kayclau 3 года назад

I was gonna learn another language. But then math showed up.

@PansyPops 3 года назад

@Dark no no no, the alphabet ruined math.

@amirulamani1487 3 года назад

Math is just another language. It's just it doesn't translate to others

@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад

Oh, the terrible Irony: They cant show the Creation of the Pokedex and possibly also Pokeballs without actually setting in stone and settling on an origin story and a 'how this works', which was an unconfirmed Bunch of Theorys, but no Facts, for Decades now... Will we finally know it? But the Irony is, that the bad version of gamefreak, modern gamefreak, is doing this, so can this even turn out good?! Get what i mean?

@velvetbutterfly 3 года назад

Math is a universal language

@chaser9438 3 года назад

everything was good until the math nation attacked.

@Yourhatedquestion 3 года назад

"Yeah, I took magic math and advanced physics in high school, this seems chill" -he starts talking *Panic* -he gives examples *Calm*

@mikaroni_and_cheez 3 года назад

- he asks you to put it all together *Panic*

@TheEiric 3 года назад

Magic math?

@ashhinman1919 3 года назад

@@TheEiric math at a high enough level that to those who don’t know and understand it think it is magic.

@TheEiric 3 года назад

@@ashhinman1919 oooh got it. i thought it was something new they were teaching haha

@CoralineDark 3 года назад

Lockstin's hair crest is turning into its own freaking entity at this point

@stephenbecklin9323 3 года назад

Me, a college math instructor obsessed with Pokemon: Yes, this will be on the test.

@sanjablazina2879 3 года назад

Please don't do that xD

@ad-skyobsidion4267 3 года назад

Induce TORTURE

@psionx1 3 года назад

you can't be a very high level math teacher if you can put basic algebra like this on a test.

@shre6619 3 года назад

@@psionx1 unless the multiplier constants like 255, and the exponent number comes from solving other things like quadratic equation, or a a circle, parabola, hyperbola all intersects n some sort......

@psionx1 3 года назад

@@shre6619 those are annoyingly long and complex but nothing a highschool graduate wouldn't know. unless the standards for math have been dumbed down a lot since 2007. not sure how that's possible given my school barely had teachers most of the time. just assigning a page in a workbook and giving out those scantron multiple choice tests.

@The_Chocolate_One 3 года назад

Can we just take a moment and appreciate how this man pulled Gameboys out his pocket like a magician? You’re a wizard aren’t you sir?

@_jaydx4836 3 года назад

I like how it goes from doing math to having a dance break

@starsilverinfinity 3 года назад

You know people dont appreciate the fact that math is basically a whole other language at this point

@vince1376 3 года назад

I don't understand most of this, but I still get excited when he gets excited. Like when your dog gets all hyped up for no apparent reason other than you getting hyped up.

@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад

@TheRibottoStudios 3 года назад

*MandJTV:* Learn, SCIENCE. PEOPLE. *Lockstin:* got your back

@weebtrashman1725 3 года назад

Yes

@orm11videos26 3 года назад

Yee

@ayomike17 3 года назад

Hail yeah

@An_Entire_Lime 3 года назад

I dont know why but "HOLLY BEANS ITS PIKACHU!" just brings me joy

@DigiRangerScott 3 года назад

How to catch a Pokémon: Eat Pizza, Defeat Shredder.

@AxxLAfriku 3 года назад

I was a boy. They were two girls. Can I make it any more obvious? I am the ULTlMATE L0VER on this platform. Don't enter the ch*nnel of me, AxxL, if you are not above a certain age, dear wgot

@killmii8473 3 года назад

@@AxxLAfriku dafug

@fortymcmeme3846 3 года назад

@@AxxLAfriku did u do wrong copy and paste

@oresti9271 3 года назад

How to catch a pokemon? Me : just ask Goh from pokemon journeys or Kris from the pokemon adventures manga 😂

@maganhassan2627 2 года назад

Why kris?

@oresti9271 2 года назад

@@maganhassan2627 she the best person in terms of catching pokemon in the manga

@matthius0908 3 года назад

Pokemon:**We don't have science, all doesn't make sense** Lockstin:**math**

@jimbothetimbo6790 3 года назад

He’s gonna be like Kira in the manga and do geometry in his head

@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад

@pokeoh1831 3 года назад

@@slevinchannel7589 they way this is formatted was so bad I had to check if it was a bot- I don't get what you're saying either, is it ok if you elaborate?

@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад

@@pokeoh1831 Why not ask BEFORE checking if I'm a bot - which would have equalled checking?

@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад

@@pokeoh1831 I was talking about Legends of Arceus and the future of the BIG Questions, like the Pokeball-Questions.

@xoticcgaming8782 3 года назад

pokémon that escape after the 3 shakes make me cry

@blakdeth 3 года назад

I've been writing so much for school. I need some math to give my brain a rest

@1337F0X 3 года назад

I love this type of math videos, puting together math and videogames to me is the best. I actually missed this episodes, I'm a weird breed I know

@frozenjune83 3 года назад

I remember the "miss" animation of Gen 1, looks like the ball DOES hit the Mon, but breaks out immediately. Not a single shake.

@AllHighAustin 3 года назад

I honestly love game mechanics that sort of trick the player into giving more meaning to something like the ball shaking. It saves game designers a TON of work on top of you engaging with the game more it's a win win all around.

@dragonmaster1500 3 года назад

Huh, neat. I'm not the best at math but I always like seeing simple formulas like this and how they can be used in these sort of things.

@MVGUY_ENTERTAINMENT 3 года назад

“This is gonna get a lot more complicated with more balls, isn’t it.” For some reason that sounds funny to me, and I hope it’s not what i think it is that makes it funny. JEEZOUS ALMOST 50 LIKES why is this so funny I need to know

@Dirakiaa 3 года назад

*IT ALL COMES TOGETHER* (jeez it feels like Eons since that series)

@awkwardsi5282 3 года назад

Please tell me you're going to have a "Ya like P.E.M.D.A.S. ?" shirt at some point, that line was freaking amazing.

@LostSoulNexus 3 года назад

F.O.I.L for the (x+3)(x-7)=y part of Calc first outer inner last simplify x^2-4x-21=y if I'm wrong someone please correct me

@dragonmaster613 3 года назад

I hope you cover the tricks I've heard old school masters use. Like how the specific timing and the exact pixel you trigger the encounter increases the catch rate!

@E1ns_2wei 3 года назад

That's a very funny coincidence. I'm programming a small Pokemon Game for a School Project (We can programm whatever we want) and i had to search for a useful catching Formula. And exactly when I need it, there's some awsome guy uploading a video where he explains catching. Thank you.

@yarnjplays2028 3 года назад

For someone like me that has dyscalculia, I kind of understood this.

@v.crowley 3 года назад

it all makes sense until you're the one to do the equations XD.. I got dyscalculia as well.. .. my niece asks me to tutor her.. I can figure out how the question needs to be done...... I just can't do it

@Armeddragon12 3 года назад

Isn't the ball shake equation in gen 2 not M for Mumber (randomly generated) but A for answer to the previous equation? Also the dark grass chart in gen V indicates that the more pokemon you've captured the EASIER it is to capture a pokemon, not harder. Its just that to make it comparable to normal grass you need to have caught 600 or more.

@dijonmayo3348 3 года назад

One time on a HeartGold playthrough, I caught Ho-oh with a Lure ball after using almost all of my other ones. Ho-oh = Fish XD

@Heartrose7 3 года назад

I guess Ho-Oh really felt the alLure.

@taylorbrown7654 3 года назад

When I was a kid playing Pokémon red/yellow I was taught how to get the unlimited master balls glitch and I had many of them “miss” mewtwo and zapdos a few times. I was so glad I had multiple

@Its_A_Gundam 3 года назад

Math, probably the mist usefull thing you can learn. It is applicable to, Science, Technology, Art, Engendering, Math, (obviously) and Pokemon.

@sonario6489 3 года назад

Also math: *pulls hair out in frustration at the more complex problems*

@AnonymousButNott 3 года назад

Hehe steamp

@hedgehogexe8357 3 года назад

YES! I AM BRITISH THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

@Just_Shaun 3 года назад

BRITISH BUNCH UNITE!

@danielsimmons4436 3 года назад

Hello! Yes it IS maths with an *s.*

@darklinklonklanklunkloinkl3060 3 года назад

YASSSS! It is maths!! Math just doesn’t make sense!

@JJStylishfrfr 3 года назад

Sorry for your loss

@snowboundwhale6860 3 года назад

@@JJStylishfrfr If you're talking about the empire we probably shouldn't have taken it in the first place so dw

@j.r.7556 3 года назад

The buneary song and lockstin's dance at the end are two of the greatest things to come from this channel.

@dudhhrmcdudhhr6071 3 года назад

don’t forget that the moon ball is always 1x in Gen 2 because it works on pokemon that evolve with a burn heal

@taylorchesser8990 3 года назад

Fun fact! Gen II's Moon Ball adds a multiplier to the catch formula by checking if the target evolves with a Moon Stone; however, the check is bugged and actually looks for Pokémon that evolve with a Burn Heal. Since no Pokémon evolve with a Burn Heal, it always adds a x1 multiplier. In other words, it's functionally no different from a Poké Ball!

@EpicDinosaur862 3 года назад

I haven't done math in a long time... this was refreshing. Always a pleasure watching your videos. ❤❤❤

@samuellawrencesbookclub8250 3 года назад

Glad you're doing a maths (yes, I say 'maths' I am British) video. Used to love GameTheory's videos like this, but for some reason they stopped doing them, at least as much as they did.

@ProfessorAlexSilver 3 года назад

I knew AP Calculus would come in handy one day

@nickgennady 2 года назад

The reason why they got rid of square roots could be because its a very expensive operation in terms of performance and there doing 2 in a row. This was a very big topic in the 90's where Doom creator John Carmack created the "Inverse Square Root" operation which made that games 3D possible. Very interesting topic and many programmers even got confused because on the surface it seemed to do nothing but worked. As a game programmer I never use square roots, even in distance checks which happen a lot for things such as collision.

@lunarkomet 3 года назад

21:59 that's what I'm always asking myself after insightful videos like this...what a headache

@inactive234 3 года назад

"hOlY bEaNs It'S pIkAcHu" --Lockstin, 2021

@cleverfoxstudios1786 3 года назад

Lockstin doing the dance to the old song art the 4:20 ish mark is a mood Love the Internet Pokemon Conspiracy Uncle energy

@MrDarktrebor 3 года назад

Took computer design and web design for a year and this just brought but war flashbacks of that year. Thank you mister Lockstin

@jesusayala862 3 года назад

Lockstin - I dont think ive seen a ball fail Me- *cries in gen 1 chansey*

@LostSoulNexus 3 года назад

3 rocks then a safari ball was the easiest way I found but I missed with a master ball once RNG hates me lol

@CaptainCFalcon 3 года назад

@@LostSoulNexus wait HOW?

@Huy_YT 3 года назад

I'd be interested on Spinoffs catch math. Pokémon Shuffle seems very straight forward but what's the math behind Go/Let's Go? Legends Arceus might be interesting too in that regard. It would also be nice to hear more about the math behind Pokémon fleeing and I am not just talking about Roar. Pokémon has a lot of mechanics :D I saw those "Satus" in the equations._.

@wilgrim6492 3 года назад

I am so excited for this!!! 💚💚💚

@somegamer7268 3 года назад

At least there is no "You're going to brazil ball" *Why do I hear samba music all of a sudden?*

@Main_account_at 3 года назад

You know the drill: you are going to Brazil, don't try running away, you can not escape Brazil

@airplanes_aren.t_real 3 года назад

@@Main_account_at as a Brazilian I can confirm

@airplanes_aren.t_real 3 года назад

You ain't seen nothing Our funk makes your funk look like baby shark

@SivanasArtStudio 3 года назад

I just got a Japanese copy of soul silver that has a bunch of master balls on it. I'm going to keep them and use them exclusively for shiny pokémon ✨

@shuckle9529 3 года назад

How many? Arent they hacked?

@SivanasArtStudio 3 года назад

@@shuckle9529 There were 7 of them. Not sure if they're but I'm not too worried because the person had many shinies on the save file.

@shiawase8694 3 года назад

@fire fox no need to get aggressive buddo

@shiawase8694 3 года назад

@fire fox k

@Ylurple 3 года назад

Dragonfree on the Cave of Dragonflies has an awesome catch rate calculator for each gen, plus she has a ton of research on all of the formulas. She found that the apricorn balls are heavily messed up in gen 2, like how the Love ball increases chance of catching a pokemon with the same gender as your pokemon, the fast ball gives you a x4 multiplier on grimer, tangela, and magnemite and no one else, and the moon ball gives you increased chances of catching pokemon that evolve with a burn heal.

@antialiasis 3 года назад

Aw, thanks for the shoutout!

@bronsolo6941 3 года назад

This is by far my favorite topic in Pokemon. I am a CS major with a math minor, so it's right up my alley! Keep up the good work! Amazing video!

@The_One_In_Black 3 года назад

14:09 Flashback to using 40 Dusk and Timer Balls against a paralyzed Groudon in Emerald.

@Hironomus 3 года назад

Wow you stirred a memory that I had long since forgotten about being ale to miss chansey when throwing a ball at them.

@John-ko2lr 3 года назад

That "ya like PEMDAzz?" might have been the best barry bee impression I've ever heard

@milessaxton 3 года назад

The shake check is more of a visualization of the calculations rather than the the method of calculating the check (at least were it matters)

@joshhacker8503 3 года назад

All these years later, and I still catch myself using the generation one button trick. I know it doesn't work, but I still try subconsciously. Haha

@solgaleo3533 3 года назад

I never had any superstitions about catching, I would always just close my eyes, turn down the volume, cross my fingers and tense my muscles in anticipation. My version was holding or mashing left and a or b when my pokemon takes damage or for damaging a pokemon I don’t want to faint, and right and a or b for when I do want it to faint.

@Mystic-Aidan 3 года назад

Okay, now run it through alllll the numbers to catch a specific Spinda color as a shiny in dark grass in Gen 5

@kyleshank3411 3 года назад

The "come together" bit at the end really got me

@maykahurkmans 3 года назад

Lockstin interpretive dancing moves to Lavender Town music. Looks fun.

@refornazari9310 3 года назад

I'm dyslexic and couldn't keep up with any calculation, even though I watched them multiple times, so I eventually gave up hahah, but I watched the whole video nonetheless, it's nice to know how they programmed some stuff like the master ball and the fact that when shaking, the pokeball is already set to fail or succeed

@ApeSkit01 3 года назад

8:50 I recently played through Yellow again on the virtual console. Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres all had the ball miss until the one that finally hit made the catch. They were all at low HP and paralyzed. It took 6 to 9 balls for each.

@samuelgunn9881 3 года назад

"Now, gen 2 added a few things..." as he pulls a second Gameboy, with duct tape to keep the batteries in, out of his shirt pocket. I think this is my favorite Lockstin & Gnoggin video so far.

@mttic55 3 года назад

Listening to this was more interesting than when I took AP Stats in high school.

@jlee4562 3 года назад

The most in-depth catch rate video I ever watched, wish my ears kept up with the numbers 🤪

@wanderlustwarrior 3 года назад

19:37 I was ready to RAGE when you showed you were going to multiply by 0.

@marinegator1833 3 года назад

I remember in red blue and yellow when you're trying to catch the legendary birds that the ball will actually miss and same thing when going through the Safari zone sometimes

@Drago9545 3 года назад

I love Gen 1 Lavender town's Pokemon Tower theme as well, i love purple but too much purple just kills it!

@exstatik788 3 года назад

Im glad you made the "squirt squirt... Square root" joke cuz that's the first thing my brain thought 😂😂

@-JohnDoe- 3 года назад

21:58 I also see the equations as extremely arbitrary, especially in the early gens. Even with their limited space way back in gen 1, they could have done a more simple code: If not masterball, then Solve for C = (pokemon catch rate)((pokemon max hp - pokemon hp currently gone) / (pokemon current hp)) Solve for N = generate # between 0 and (max combination for the current pokemon based off of it's base max hp) and divide by ball modifier and status condition [obviously, these conditional things would be nerfed to not break the game] If C < N, catch pokemon If C = N, reroll N If C > N, do not catch pokemon

@krakios3950 3 года назад

Am I dumb or did the thing change for Gen 1? With Bulbasaur he said that the closer the Random Number was to 255 the higher chance of a catch, but with Dragonair it was closer to 0. Was there just a change that I missed???

@Itachigan22 3 года назад

Can't wait to see the video talking about the mathmatical rate needed to calculate how much damage a move does.

@exa_eille 3 года назад

For anyone wondering why it's so complicated and not just a simple equation, like rolling a 256 dice and saying "you get it for certain numbers" It's precisely BECAUSE they don't want you figuring it out. They want it to be complicated so you can't game it. It still FEELS like you're getting better odds by weakening+statusing, but you can't figuring out exactly by how much.

@YuNarukamiKun 3 года назад

Glad to see you cover Gen 1 Balls missing entirely. In my experience, this only ever happened if I tried to catch a legendary Pokémon without weakening it first. Especially when doing the Mew glitch in Cerulean City, if you don’t damage it (which I tend to avoid since) it’s at level 1 for the EXP under flow glitch), the first handful of balls will miss.

@lavenchanSSP 3 года назад

I'm so glad I learned what the deal is with 255. Saw it everywhere but never knew why. Thank you lockstin! Its cuz its the size of one byte. The more you know

@billytalentxpokemon 3 года назад

Man I literally thought about you uploading today

@nosysprat6170 3 года назад

From what i have read about catching math is that you have to do another calculation with A (at least in the newer generations) to get your actual catching chance: (A/255)^0.75. So the actual chance for catching this pikachu is about 59% (which seems more resonable for half HP and only a Pokéball).

@Darkrai4294 3 года назад

Awesome vid. I’m definitely sharing this with my math students

@spawnofmagick 3 года назад

Love to see a similar video about how pokemon centers work 👀

@Lion603 3 года назад

Calculation: *becomes 10 times more complicated* Computers: *become 10000 times more powerful* Humans: "OMG, that's so crazy!"

@ZickDarkhaos 3 года назад

Are you sure about the gen 1 shake code? Cuz as far as I can tell, assuming the HP and ailments are the same every time, the shakes will always be the exact same if you fail to catch the Pokémon, no randomness there

@antialiasis 3 года назад

That's true in R/B/Y! You can try it yourself - if the Pokémon's HP and status and the ball you're using don't change, the ball will always shake the same number of times on failure. If you throw Poké Balls at a full-health legendary, for instance, it will *always* say that the ball missed if it fails - no randomness at all, no chance of one, two or three shakes.

@altoclefisdumb 3 года назад

6:40 ball guy is peeking out into my soul

@jurgenborg8995 3 года назад

21:35 ish it all come (TOGETHER FLASHES AT THE TOP RIGHT OF SCREEN) HAHAHA

@Kaiser00Wilhelm 3 года назад

3:59 DANCE BREAK

@Ampheon181 3 года назад

21:30 IT ALL COMES TOGETHER Never let the meme die please

@samelol8149 3 года назад

What about the safari zone catching mechanics. Those had me guessing for years how it works

@WitchHatCafe 3 года назад

In gen 7 a Pokémon could actually have a negative or zero catch rate(I’m not sure which one) because I’m pretty sure they removed the “no zero or below catch rate” thing for at least the heavy ball and since the heavy ball can give the catch rate a -20 it could end up being zero or below

@noahcarver1707 3 года назад

This is the kind of stuff I LOVE! reminds me of a really cool video breaking down trainer AIs I also straight died during the dance break

@jorgegutierrezabdo 3 года назад

This was an awesome video, fell asleep halfway through it (hasdn't had my OJ nor my coffee, I'm old, leave me alone). I now understand the catch rate a bit better

@NioNerd 3 года назад

I love this! I’m currently in a programming class and I can kind of follow this. It’s awesome!

@ervinc9335 3 года назад

I'm watching while suffering from a fever from the covid vaccine I can feel myself building the immunity while looking at numbers and balls

@takanuinuva 3 года назад

You know what would be an interesting theory. Why some mons have a rare encounter percentage.

@scarredchild 3 года назад

I don't understand half the words that vaguely sounded English, but I like the energy of this yub-tub, so I am entertained. =)

@lanceams483 3 года назад

being in CS1 right now I can (kind of) understand how this would be coded out (at least for gen 1, the newer gens sound waaay more complicated).

@Shinzo888 3 года назад

so cool video idea, going over ability of various Pokémon and maybe even why some have them

@Shinzo888 3 года назад

and maybe why they should have that ability

@michanowak7060 3 года назад

17:52 ...you know that square root of square root of X is X to the power of 1/4. The change of formula was not that drastic, but hey, I don't know if they coded it 'to the power' way or just implemented two square roots, honestly I don't think it made a difference in time of calculating, and computer doesn't really care which way it's doing it :p