I wonder what's your comment about completely different results GN posted on deep assassin 4? Does deep cool have some serious QC issues or your tests somehow are not favoring new model ?
This is such an important question, I think it deserves a longer answer and a pin since the topic has been brought up a few times. First and foremost, there is no "right" methodology when it comes to CPU cooler testing or even fan testing for that matter. Ultimately the results presented by a reviewer will be relevant ONLY to their specific test setup in their specific environment. Regardless of how well temperature controlled or heat load controlled the setup is, in the end we're all simply doing A/B testing so the results are only comparative to that specific testing environment / situation. That's why the number of coolers being tested is important and its why we've laser focused on the high end air cooling segment for now. I'd say we have the most comprehensive list of high end air coolers, tested on a modern system on the planet. If there's a more complete list let me know. As for comparative testing between methodologies, its impossible to draw parallels. We've eschewed the whole static hypothetical thermal load scenario like Anandtech used simply because it doesn't give real world results, which isn't necessarily wrong because it can be VERY accurate. Rather we tested (for MONTHS) and avoided it because it can misrepresent what people can and should expect when running systems themselves. Does it give accurate A/B testing results? Absolutely! Does it matter to people? That's debatable. Our system isn't perfect (nor will we ever self-aggrandize by talking about how much we spent on it) but at the same time it gives a very wide gamut of thermal results that's representative of a large cross section of people who are looking to buy a new system or upgrade their existing setup. We do gaming, 180W, 253W and No Limit across EVERY decibel point we can achieve. Also its why we invested the time and effort to test on a newer architecture. To me at least, that gives a very good, if not amazing, overall perspective for representational performance. As for our testing versus GN's, I don't now how they test or what they've tested. But I think the items I listed above highlight why results end up being different (and sometimes conflicting) and why you should watch a wide cross section of videos in order to make a better purchasing decision. Hope that helps! - MIKE
@@HardwareCanucks Every test for every CPU cooler is different across multiple reviews. CPU / case / ambient / case fans / OC / thermal paste / mounting pressure etc all make choosing the "best" CPU cooler near impossible. I think the best we can do is use multiple reviews and land somewhere close.
@@Chopper153 I dont compare numbers across different reviews, but only within. What was strange to me is that Assasing IV performed better than 3 for GN, while it was opposite here. It might be due to die position but that sounds very weird
Finally another cooler that's a legitimately good option alongside Thermalright's lineup. This supplants the AK620 as the "Best Value Cooler Not Made By Thermalright" pretty handily.
There's no plans right now. Perhaps in the future though. We are focusing on the higher end space since some of these s tier coolers actually cost as much as more budget focused options.
Makes me feel good about buying the TR FS 140, quieter, and better performance than the Fuma 3. Size isn't an issue in my case and I paid $31 for it a while back.
Great review as always ! I would love to see how those coolers perform on Ryzen CPUs compared to Intel CPUs since their size and the placement of the heat sources are different. A good example of that is the Thermalright Frost Spirit which performs worse than the Peerless Assassin on Ryzen CPUs and the opposite can be said when those coolers are tested with Intel CPUs.
I bought the Fuma 3 for my 7700x and its been great. Granted I undervolted my 7700x so its easier to cool. But I love how quiet it is, and the super easy install was so darn nice. Plus the free long magnetic screwdriver is great to for other applications!
man it would be sick if you have 3 fan config picture of the fan, i choose cpu cooler also by aesthetic lol, good review nonetheless, keep up the good work!
It's cheaper too. However I prefer the looks of the Fuma 2/3 in the NR200, it doesn't cover the ram like the PA120/SE does. The regular PA120 is 157mm tall too, so a lot of motherboards may make it so you can't fit the TG on. I'm waiting for the all white Fuma 3 to put into my NR200.
Was thinking to replace my actual corsair 240mm AIO with an air cooler later this year and after building two systems with a peerless assassin i was chocked on how good theses new air coolers are.... So maybe i'll consider scythe !
Not necessarily anything good. The heat sink is tuned for these specific fans, and also utilise a (in the cooler market) unique reverse flow design, with the fans spinning in opposite directions. Not sure how well those two things translate to a fan swap
For what you get for the price, it's the best in the business 👌 💯 personally, I don't like big air coolers. I'll take a medium sized cooler that best in class, black, quiet and it disappears in the case. But that's me. Nice video, take care.
Pretty sold on this. I guess it could look better, bit more gloss finish on the cover and some black on the edge of the fins but who really cares at this price range. Very well done Scythe.
This is awesome, one piece of feedback here: for the graphics charts I think it would help a lot more having the name of the other products next to lines matching coloring the way it was in other past videos, I found it harder to going back and forth with naming on the right and visuals on the left, hope that helps!
I looking for 100% Ram clearance , good cooling performance , compact design for my mid case , good price. SCYTHE Fuma 3 win on all sides and beat competitors. Just ordered for my AMD 7 5700X because its so hot for aftermarket lowprice 2heatpipe cooler. Good Job SCYTHE
Imagine they offer a version where the front fan is standard 120*25mm fan and charge the exact same price. I'm absolutely ok with front fan poking upwards a little bit if RAMs are too tall. It's probably gonna be just as good as the d15. By the way, have you guys ever checked out Thermalright PS120SE? It's supposed to be a PA120 that's optimized for newer generation sockets like LGA1700 and AM5. It's slightly more expensive than PA120SE and has 7 heat pipes.
@@justinreynolds6318 Doubt that. The pressure difference between 15mm and 25mm fans are massive. There's a reason why fan manufacturers are pushing fan thickness beyond 25mm right now.
@@maozedowner5915 There's also a reason why newer air coolers are butting up the middle (pull) fan right up against the tower that the (push) fan is attached to. What the 15mm fan lacks in static pressure will be pretty well compensated for by the (pull) fan pulling air through the (push) fan. Obviously a thicker fan would be better, but there was a reason why Scythe chose to use a 15mm fan up front when literally everyone else is using 25mm+. It's because on this specific tower design and fin density, they found the return in performance was minimal compared to the benefits of a lower price point and better RAM compatibility.
Well, the phantom spirit (the successor of the PA) is bragging some impressive (but incremental) improvements. Any plan on testing that one? Also: why havent anyone made like properly HUGE air coolers. The DH15 is large and all that, but I have a HUGE case where that kind of clearance isn't nevessary. With the peerless assassin in there I have another 12 cm of clearance (fractal define 7xl). I cant be the only one that buys a processor and then restrict it until I can stand the noise.
Have you tested Deepcool AG620? It cost around $40 in South East Asia with the same performance of AK620, meanwhile the Peerless Assassin cost around $65-70
I wish this cooler had come out last year. My AK620 is still one of my worst purchases. I had to replace the trashy humming fans that came with it, and I had to move the fan that's above the RAM slot to the other side so that I could cool my overclocked RAM sticks.
I was kind amped for this one. I've used Scythe coolers for a while and like them for the price x performance they offer. After seeing you guys paying attention and showing so many great options, including the fuma 2, with so many comparisons and reviews i was kind anxious to see this one. And it did not disappoint, Scythe have managed to make a very well engineered cooler, that keeps all the good (including price, compatibility) of the older version, while making it better in looks and performance. Great review as always Mike, thanks for the excellent video. PS: You mistaking the D15 with the D14 actually brought a smile to my face, shows how way back you go, as a D14 owner, that miss was a hit for me haha
Well I bought this after seeing reviews on it from all the major tech channels. However it doesnt seem to do a good job at all for my R9 5900X, as while gaming is constantly reaches 90 celsius and that is bad. I originally used Arctic MX-6, then tried again with the much more viscous included paste from Scythe and nothing changed. The case doesnt even have the side panel and ambient temps are ~25 celsius. Not sure if its a cpu issue, like these R9 run hot and need water cooling, but Im sure that is not the case. Now I can either undervolt the cpu or spend more money and get the good old and tried Noctua big boys.
I am very impressed with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE dual fan cooler that I got with my 13700k on a prime deal. The cooler was only $40. No doubt the $10 Thermalright anti bending/cooling plate I also installed helps too.
The ba120 from thermalright is the same Ultra 120 extreme but with one fan for 23 bucks. Amazing Value. Too bad thermalright doesn't have any longer the TA 140 EX ... that was my favorite for 28 bucks.
Amazing review of an amazing family of coolers! Really wishing my white peerless assassin fit my mobo in my NR200. Now I’m thinking of getting this and spray painting the heat pipe caps lol
There are quite a lot of fins being added, so that's expectable it would improve... But going neck to neck with Peerless Assassin & Assassin III are something that we didn't expect...
Would swapping in even higher static pressure fans like the A12x25 & A12x15 significantly improve the performance of this cooler? Or possibly using the extra fan clips for the optional 3rd fan to mount a T30? The Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x26 1500rpm tops out at a static pressure of 1.5 mmH2O (vs the A12x25's 2.34 mmH2O at 2000rpm) and the Scythe Kaze Flex II 120x15 tops out at a static pressure of 0.96 mmH2O (vs A12x15's 1.53 mmH2O at 1850rpm). The Phanteks T30's static pressure is kind of in another league at 3.30 mmH2O at 2000rpm. I don't think the extra cost would be worthwhile if buying new fans, but many of us have A12x25, A12x15 and T30's we've purchased previously making the cost of a fan swap like this exactly $0. If the Scythe Fuma 3 is going to be the budget cooler of the year could you do some more extensive fan swap testing?
Dude! I've been water cooling for 24 years, Small Servers, Home Computers and Calculators from back in the day. I just put the Thermalright Assassin on a new build, using ryzen 9 3950x and it runs almost as cool as my water cooled system! I think I am going to switch my personal rig back to air cooling, because the performance difference only is apparent during the winter months here in Maine. This past winter I was running my water cooled system at 1C but I can't move the computer like I can the air cooled system. Brilliant! Finally!
Excellent demonstration, as usual. You are my go-to fan cooling guy! My take away is that Thermalright Frost Spirit is the performance to price winner in CPU coolers!
10:09 I would have liked to see how it looks with the three fans and see how the 3 are connected (with an adapter or separate?), I have not found photos of anyone trying it.
I thought the newer Fuma and future coolers would use the wonder snail fans which are optimized for static pressure. The performance might have been even better using them
Why NOONE, actually NOONE speak about one change from Fuma 2 - asynchronous in second axis. FUMA 2 was asynchronous in 1 axis (RAM clearance is above every other air cooler with dual fans). Now they introduced second axis, which is vertical - FUMA 3 is now sligthly further from GPU. This is something important, really important if you want to reach PCIE clip (or lock).
Anyone who says they can put noctua fans anything should have just gotten a noctua heatsink. Scythe makes good fans, TT doesn't (anymore). You wont need to fanswap here. For all intents, this is the real value heatsink.
Just checked and the price is not what you are saying, it might be 50US but converted to my currency it should be 74AU but its not, its 105AU so its a ripoff from Amazon
Thanks for bringing this up. Now I've added to my list of fans that Im planning to buy TR Frost Spirit 140 TR Phantom Spirit Scythe Fuma 3 I'll only pick one of the three
Not having good luck with the Fuma 3 on my 7800x3d. First mistake I missed the plastic on the heatsink face. That was easy to spot when I noticed the processor running about 70C in BIAS. After fixing that I have been testing the last few days. So far at 900RPM I get around 40db 18" from the case at full idle. Running Cinebench R23 single core I get 1300 RPM, is about 50db. Running Cinebench 23 multi I get 1600RPM 53db and 89C/4800Mhz all cores, 17800ish score. As far as I can tell the iGPU is disabled but it does not seem to have made any difference.
Unfortunately, Scythe's products are hardly available in Germany. The Fuma coolers, no matter in which version, are currently not available at all. Therefore, the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE and the Noctua NH-D15 would still be the best options here.
My old box still has Scythe Kabuto which runs around 315 rpm when the system is idling and 500-600 rpm under load. 1500 rpm sounds high for my ears already.
Dammit! I have the original Scythe Fuma2 that has been running perfectly for the past 2 years. It runs in a smallish 20L MATX based system and the I5-12600KF has been perfectly cooled by it no matter what I demand of the CPU. It would be incredibly stupid of me to replace the Fuma2 with a new Fuma3 but it does look 'cooler' and at only $50 it would be a fun upgrade. And yes, I can confirm about the fans. My rig is 18in away from me and with the Noctua case fans it's completely silent right up to the point where I start to fire up Cyberpunk.
can you try ID Cooling ? 207xt advanced or slim ? They make the best looking cpu coolers right there and I think if you swap their fans (noisy) you have great performance.
Liking my Fuma 3 with my 13600k. I intentionally went for the i5 to have less wattage and hence less cooling needed. Working well, in the 60s when gaming.
Be careful! First time buyer of this brand. They gave me the wrong screw nut in the box. I end up paying extra shipping fee for 4 correct screw nuts. Not exactly a good experience😢
Still too expensive compared to the TR Peerless assasin 120 SE on Amazon. Many people already have good fans laying around that can be used on the cooler if the ones that come with it fail
So the D15 is still quieter ? And how you attached the 3rd fan? but if you will buy the third fan maybe it will cost near the price of the D15 ? And also - build quality and materials I guess is better on the D15 ?
How does the Fuma 3 compare to the Ninja 5 Rev.B? The latter was Scythe's top of the line cooler for a few years and it's still really good from what I remember.
