Have you noticed that the post office has signs that say trespassers will be prosecuted? What do they mean trespassers? I thought government was supposed to be the people’s shared property, when did it become that the people are the government’s plebeians again?
What if I classify my room as a “private museum, not open to the public” do I also get 0.8 million dollars in tax payer subsidies and how much land?!?!?
They had the opportunity to use approved money but could never put any of the funds to work. As far as I could see the only thing they got for free was rent and the architecture plans for the museum.
@@azcanuck3131 Yes. It's sad that the govt spent 100,000 on plans before having money for the building. That's crazy & THAT is on the govt, not the org trying to preserve history.
It’s ok, now they will pass it to wounded warriors and they will demand government subsidies and no one will deny them. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I swear, I’m living in some kind of Nietzsche’s eternal recurrence. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@aarons3695 I'm thinking for "ownership"...bill of sale. I know a guy who's grandfather "loaned" a 1925 fire truck he brought from the city, to the local historical group in the 1970's, the family was okay with them using it in a display. Next thing they placed it up for sale and sold it, so the historical group, the city, and my friend family are fighting over this. It came down to having the title and paperwork.
Yeah, i remember seeing a video about this. It's an old tax break loophole. You can make a museum and you can get taxpayer money and support. All you have to do is have it open for 1 day of the year, and it doesn't have to be posted or advertised. Edit: their called jewel box museums their just ways to dodge taxes. Essentially, you can donate your expensive shit like million dollar cars to the museum you own. Take a large tax right off, and the public gets to pay for the storage of your cars or other toys.
If you don’t have the title, then you aren’t the owner. Clear and simple. This smells like a scam of some sort. This head of the board cannot even get a simple inventory of what the non-profit has??
Preservation of the artifacts is the only thing that maters. These items don't need to be excavated from a swamp or the ocean floor. Comparitivley new condition in two or three hundred years compared to the alternative.
Yeah Kurt Russell Beavis butthead you obviously didn't watch the video and you honestly accusing someone having five baby daddies is absolutely ridiculously false you'll be sitting in knockouts watching naked women while demons are dancing around you shame on you may God help you in heaven turn from your wicked ways watch what you say before you speak you don't know nothing my father God is listening to what you're saying he's a big big God. Beavis butthead!!
Kind of bittersweet what happened here: they had a collection of some REALLY COOL stuff, and very rare for being complete and with genuine spare parts - only really rivaled by Dragonman, in Colorado. Wounded Warrior doesn't operate any museum that I know of, so unless they have one in the works, they'll probably end up selling off everything to anybody, and a lot will unfortunately end up being scrapped.
I doubt much of it will be scrapped. There is a big following for those kinds of vehicles now that most of them have been cut up. I think it will probably be auctioned off to private collectors. Even the rusty stuff is being fixed up these days. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you. I'd totally grab one of those 211s they have a few of.
@@matthewlawson8145 You never know: there's always some idiot that would buy them just to sell them to their state as "gross polluters", for some small amount each, only to have them end up getting crushed...
so so true . where I live , there are public parks that get public money. then when they want to throw a party in the park. it becomes at private park..so they can make money.
And what evil deed did they do? Did you watch the entire video? These guys sound like a bunch of patriotic vets who never had enough leadership to make their dream a reality - and ultimately gave up and gave their collection away.
So now money that was donated to help wounded warriors will go to this collection ? Also wonder what kind of tax write the owners of the "museum" get for donated the collection ?
More like the opposite of that then. Because this would exist as a normal museum or any number of other things but all options available to them are illegal.
They should not have let them get away with giving it to wounded warrior project. The collection will likely get auctioned off into private hands after being paid for with public money. A real museum should have had the opportunity to go through it.
Who is "they"? If anything, prior to the museum donating property to WWP or selling off, the state ought to have sued the museum for the return of $100K that was supposed be used for design and drawings. The city of Albuquerque should've sued, too, for breach of contract.
The “Jeep” at 1:59 is actually an M151 Multi-Utility Tactical Truck. It was contracted by the US Government to Ford Motor Companies and A M General. This particular one is a Flat Fender A1 variant. But there’s another version that has dips in the fenders where the Blackout Lights and Turn Signals sit lower beneath the drivers line of sight(M151A2. Emphasis on A2).
Cool stuff. Too bad it's rotting. Hope Wounded Warriors does something with it. I'm quite a collector myself of historical items and anything unique and cool. Displaying the collection in an organized and presentable way is half the fun! I would love to go through that stuff. It's worth a fortune but sadly the next generation now doesn't seem to be as interested in old stuff. They like the new computerized stuff that controls their every move and thought. There's a few though!
Bruh, they should throw it out. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ If they don’t, (who am I kidding? WHEN THEY DONT) they will proceed to beg governments and donations to endless take care of this historical junkyard. If there is any justice in this world it is that federal debt interest will eventually become larger than all of the other expenditures.
@@damham5689 Most likely. oh and this is the boondoggle that we do know about, there might be countless others that we don't. We must endeavor to always remember the great English economist Alfred Marshall's works on the seen vs the unseen.
It was only after the lease was signed that city officials discovered the private military history organization is a “museum” in name only. For example, the non-profit group has packed the warehouse with so much military stuff it can’t keep track of it all. Despite accumulating thousands of items, board members admit there is no organization to the collection and they do not have an inventory. When asked how the museum could know what’s in the warehouse if they don’t have an inventory, museum Board Member Gregg Hartz responded, “It’s a good question.”
Got to say other than the M16 Half Track, the vehicles appear to be mostly soft skin (non-Armoured). As for the rest of it is a heck of a job working through it. There is an AMAZING museum here in the UK called the Cobbaton Combat Collection which is housed in a couple buildings like this one, it is privately owned and has tanks and so many other exhibits. A great hidden gem to visit as it IS open to the public.
I think this was a well intentioned effort that was just too big an investment. The New Mexico climate is a good place to preserve equipment like this.
Imo that collection became public property of the state & 2 cities that gave them money. The entire thing is a giant cluster f*** bomb 💣. It should have never gotten this fat outta hand. And there are people that need to be held accountable.
Sounds like it was just an old collector at the end of his life kind of that couldn’t make the museum pan out probably due to age, but then he donated all of the stuff to wounded warrior. He wasn’t intentionally fleecing the city.
i feel like everyone missed the part where they missed the deadlines and requirements for funding, so all they had was free space up to now. the only money spent was on an architect.
Each vehicle can get a title for 300 bucks, maybe less. Also, if transferred to Georgia, they can be registered without title using T-22 form. Its like any other project or government program. Government only wants to be a "catalyst" to "help" an effort with the assumption that it wont take much and only be 800k. The 8 Million dollar pricetag for the building was outrageous. These sorts of financial challenges are normal when building schools, hospitals, and airports, like where I used to work for Turner Construction. The difference here is that there is no money flow for the government to just "help". That money flow has to come from bonds, where investors get a piece of the pie.
Most of it was never paid because they did not meet the requirements, mainly lost rent for crappy Quonset huts. All the members died as they tried to make it work.
Why not reduce the size of the collection and pare it down to show worthy pieces by selling some of the rougher vehicles, trailers and equipment? The revenue could be used to satisfy delinquent obligations and preserve the portion of the collection that's still in good shape. I'd certainly be interested in one of those Jeeps or trailers that needs work if it were priced to sell.
Military vehicles are not something you can sell. Especially if they were involved in a war. Unless you were talking about black market selling of military equipment. At that point the feds would bust down the door, confiscate what they don’t break.
The issue there is if someone "donated" a collection, and places conditions on it...they might not be able to "part" it out, without losing the whole collection.
@@andrewj9831 Do you have actual reason to believe that one donor has control over the entire collection or is that just unrealistic, pessimistic spit-balling?
@@PNWJEEPER01 I never said one owner... I said that sometimes things come with strings attached. Like I'm donating these 5 items...they stay together. It could be that 1960's Les Paul guitar, along with the tour/VW bus, the show clothes, etc that my "dad" performed at Woodstock with. The only "real" thing of value is the guitar, but the family wants to keep everything together..... For example, my Great-great Grandparents "homestead", after my grandparents passed, the family sold the whole farm to a developer, and he would donate the "homestead" to the local gov, for a school, park.
What a lot of people don't know about museums is that they tend to lose money. New Mexico is 48th in poverty and 50th in education. Basically we are still in the Wild West when it comes to museums in New Mexico.
If they're donating to Wounded Warriors, some of those pieces will bring good money. I'd let Heavy D run that. He's a standup guy, and has the resources to accomplish the best outcome.
They should digitize it with full 3d scans and then later it can become a virtual museum and it could be the first of it's kind!!! Ps: I want credit for my idea! ; - p
It looks like they need a place to display all this, sadly a lot of that type stuff was donated by people in good faith and it should really all revert back to the origional owners or their families.
Nothing is being preserved in that garbage dump. What a waste of public money. Why even interview that board member, he has no answers and no intention of ever getting answers. Just 10 minutes showing people completely terrible at their jobs.
