I mean Los Lunas just tripled their contract with Niagra bottling company despite huge community outcry. Politicians dgaf about the community they serve - its all money.
Mr King accepted responsibility without complaint, agreed that the State Engineer had regulatory authority over the use of the water and did not make up a bunch of flimsy excuses for himself. You don't see people do that very often so I think I'll take his word for it. If the remedy is that his ability to use the well is suspended for enough time to mitigate the diversion I don't have any problem with that.
@@noyopacific..but he’ll make $100’s of thousands on the transaction and will shut down that 35 acres until next year. He’ll just move the crops that would have been on that land to another piece.
@@lowandslow3939 I'm not ready to accept the assumption that the farmer was fully aware of the limits on how the water from his well could be used. He certainly made no effort to hide what he was doing. I used to have an agricultural well myself that produced 6-700 gallons a minute. If someone had offered to pay me a couple hundred per tanker load, it wouldn't have crossed my mind that I might not be permitted to do this.
OH BULL S, everyone knows how important water is there, its a farm well , He should be fined a large amount and not allowed to irrigate any of his land for 2 years. @@noyopacific
Shouldn't the construction company have to pull permits also. Where did the state think they were gonna get the water to fill the tanks that they were building
Right!!?? Ant the state inspectors for the project didn't question where the water came from and where it was going AFTER the water test was complete?? We are all not so ignorant!!
Rev. 01. My wife and I, live out hear in Stanley, near where they have been pumping out the aquifer. Although they have reportedly stopped, they are now pumping from the nearby Volunteer Fire Station's, hydrant. My well, and many East Mountain resident wells went dry as well, during the first pumping, we had to haul water from town for two months and make over $3000.00 in repairs to the well. We lowered it another 50ft, which put it at the bottom. A lot of wells went dry out here.
Axis losing millions of gallons to foreign countries. It’s illegal to grow alfalfa in Saudi Arabia so they’re doing in the desert of AZ with NO RESTRICTIONS on amounts pumped!! Thanks Hobbs.
find some new podcast trash to regurgitate those farms were shut down awhile ago and what exactly does Hobbs have to do with anything those water rights laws have been in place for decades and still are but hey at least you got some thumbs up
@@marknicolich5789 it looks like it JUST was reported on back in October and November of 2023 and the Saudi farms shipped the alfalfa back to Saudi since 2015. That is pretty recent for something so blatantly, in-your-face-America aggravating and shouldn't be forgotten for a second unless you, too, think man-dress boy in Saudi Arabia is a pretty great guy, too, and doing wonderful things. The Saudi company, Fondomonte, does own 10,000 acres outright versus the leased land that Hobbs is reversing the decision made by a prior governor - opening the state up to a law suit. This is backup water for Tucson and Phoenix. The laws better catch up with the reality or water misuse and theft is only going to increase. Meter all of the wells and plug them as punishment for abuse. Edit: You can monitor well production from a distance with the new-fanged technology - ask any pumper who lost their well-paid, cherry job to it being centralized at the office and done by those who knew or learned Python in anticipation.
I’m assuming he saw dollar signs and went for it. I never heard of a farmer or rancher selling so much water. Even if you have extra, you sell it to other farmers. Where is this water going after the tank test?
I was thinking the same thing where are they going to use the water hopefully to water other fields. For the one who says it's a joke there is no joke about wasting water I don't care how many days of water it is. We are in severe drought even if it doesn't look like it at the moment.
The question that needs to be asked and answered is IF BEFORE the pumping of this water was done AND the land owner AND Construction company ASKED for a permit WOULD it have been granted???
@@d-rot wrong, the LAND OWNER also owns the water UNDER his land. It's the INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT who's regulations that have encroached upon his rights that is the problem. Hence my question ❓
Oversite? Illegal and got caught. Didn’t say how much he received in $$$ for the water. He is not being picked on. He’s actually being given special treatment. He should be charged with a crime.
Good one Ken🤙🏽☮️ yup you nailed it...Poland Springs water, coca cola, Pepsi, the list is hurtfully endless. Water thieves even on Maui for 100+ years🤙🏽💖🏝😢 and when you think of all the waste of precious water millions of gallons millions upon millions that are used for theme parks and golf courses in rich people resorts.....just so distressing. And the water regarded for human consumption is nothing short of poison.
All the people who think they can just dump that water back in the aquifer to be used by homeowners for their water wouldn’t say that if they lived there. Those construction areas are filthy and all those steel bin sheets are coated with oil. You drink that.
Problem with all this is the Water aquifer isn't only under his Property and it doesn't only affect his property. It affects the whole surrounding area and every Ranch or homestead within Miles of his Ranch. They suck it dry and everyone's Wells will run dry and be useless not to mention dropping the water table quickly like that can cause safety issues with land splitting wide open.
The last time I checked land never floated on water. Water doesn't (belong) to anyone. They may claim it but that's no different then this rancher selling access to it. What it all boils down to is the state is pissed they didn't get thousands of dollars for something they claim but don't oun.
Hopefully they could transfer and reuse the water by using it for testing the other tanks for leaks as well. Hmm, just curious where did they then dispose of the water after the tank test?
@@frankgrant4784 : probably poured out onto the ground at the construction site. Who would assume they would tank it back to the original site and pour it on the ground there!
Good point. It's not just gone. It goes back into the ground and the water cycle. Doesn't matter where because the water table isn't compartmentalized like people think it is. It's not a bathtub under ground. One wells use only effects the immediate area and diminishes with distance. It's called cone -of-effect.
@@jamesrice6096 Not always true.. It depends on the aquifer. In the flatlands, the aquifer is more likely to be on a certain level rather than stratified as is the case in the mountains of western N.M. Here, you may find water 80 feet down in one place, and 450 feet down just a mile away.
Take as much water as you want and dirty it up too👌Gotta support big biz (donors)... screw the little guy. -Republicans Hey, we like Anheuser Busch again because they're fund raising for Dear Leader. -definitely Republicans
*Slobbering, shaking, heart beating so hard you could see his shirt pumping, smirking slightly, etc...* *If this was a lie detector test it would have blown the machine up.*
And now you see why libertarians and right wingers don't like regulation. It's not because we don't like rules and quality control. It's because we know that's a failed tactic, and want to try better ways to achieve the same thing.
I think you missed the part where they state that Mr. King cannot irrigate his land for 1 year. In essence, he sold his water and cannot pump more. What I would like to know is how much he pumps in a year for irrigation. Is this sanction fair to his neighbors who share the aquifer?
It can't. Else King would have already paid a fee and be back in business with the construction company. If he'd applied for a permit, the engineer would have to check if the water usage would deplete levels negatively and could have specified a return-to-source path for the water, to get it back to the aquifer for use. That's what a permit application is supposed to trigger.
So, what’s the $$$ amount on six million gallons of illegally pumped water in New Mexico? It would appear the rancher is being penalized by taking away water usage instead of a monetary fine. Why not both?
@@randywise5241 "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time" was around loooong time before even MY time, nevermind GenX and that was a gall dang loooong time ago. LoL
Yep. This boils down to one thing- Bloated Government. Our nation is a disaster right now, and these idiots are losing their minds over AT MOST ~6 days worth of irrigation. I am so sick and tired of city folk.
@@ernestjoiner3040they'll be starving soon enough. These conservationists are going to get a good lesson in okay, if it's so easy, here you go, do it yourself. Peanut gallery.
Think you meant preservationists. Conservationist promote use of resources, but not the total destruction of them At the end of the day, these impressive sounding amounts they are talking about are negligible. It's a story to rile up the informed. The water table is fine.
Once the contractor is finished testing the tanks for leaks, why couldn’t they then return the water back into the water supply or back to the rancher for irrigation??? Just testing a clean tank for leaks wouldn’t contaminate the water at all.
Alcohol distillation lowers the water table in Iowa for mandated gasahol subsidies to farmers, nothing new about government sale of resources to industry
You know that only the amount of water taken is equivalent to 6 1 acre-inch rains over 35 acres. New Mexico saved millions of gallons by not letting him irrigate all year. It is a tremendous penalty to King and Karen and a massive boost to the aquifer she is concerned about. Doers always have a target on their back.
@@greatplainsman3662 You're missing the point. Thirty-five acres is nothing ... he may even gain benefit for leaving the field fallow for a year. If the water sold was only enough to irrigate 35 acres for one year, they are really winding themselves up to a ridiculous degree over almost nothing.
How many gallons of water dose it take to irrigate 35 acres for two years??? Could it be equal to the amount he sold? Or maybe even more then that in a hard year. Plus, that is 35 acres of land not producing any income for two years, or hay for his cattle. Witch means out of pocket expense or down sizing hid heard. Maybe learn a little bit about ranching and what it cost to raise one from impregnation to action before bitching about losing the usage of 35 acre’s of farm land for two years is a small price for the offense.
That farmer answered all the questions with such grace and honesty. I have never heard of a county that owned your water rights, but I don't live in an area where water regulated. The county had to give the permits for the construction so they knew the company would need water, what was so wrong with getting it from a couple of miles away instead of all those trucks driving excess miles to pick it up, stupidness. The water would have been used anyway why was this even a big story? If that area has a lot of droughts they must haul in water a lot. That was a poor "investigative journalist" there was no questions on why that company got the permit or where the water for the project was going to come from. Clearly the water could be siphoned out and used for irrigation factoring in they didn't have chemicals in the barrels and it was just for checking leaks.
This happens around EVERY oil field. The drilling companies buy water from random "water haulers" without questioning about where the water came from, those water haulers will steal water from anywhere they can get it.
@@mchrysogelos7623 If you say so. That is what our ranch did. We lost our well water in the 70s drought due to another farmer putting in a deeper well. My stepdad put in a deeper well so we could have water. Call it what you want but it’s been done a lot lately.
I wanna know what happened to the water AFTER the tank tests were completed. Was the water put to good use? Did they truck it back to King Ranch so they could utilize it for irrigation?
The King ranch has been in business since 1917, and the owner didn't know anything about the water usage rules he was violating? Come on, Mr. King. Really? It appears to be a case of "anything is for sale for the right price".
OMG... and seeing the thumbnail I thought someone was illegally dumping toxic waste.... Hard for me in New York to imagine such severe issues with water. Pollution, yes.....
@@harryballsacky I'm aware of that. I'm over near Conesus/Hemlock. I was poking at them for getting their shorts in a twist over a few truckloads of water, when in some years we have standing water in our lawns all summer.... Seeing the thumbnail with an unlabelled tanker, it gives the initial impression that someone was dumping nasty stuff.....
@billferner6741 you don't get it. Water! It comes from the ground! Oil, it comes from the ground. Is there some kinda secret magic that keeps them separated underground? 🤡
Even if Mr King knew he needed a permit or not, his handling of talking to the media with his demeanor is golden. Everyone public figure or company should take note like this in the eyes of controversy and stop being defensive
The water can be pumped from one tank to another for hydrostatic testing. When last tank is tested water can and should be hauled back into the well...This is a normal pipeline and facility practice...whether it be alake, river or whatever...Permits are always secured in advance from the Regulators.
Former AZ Congressman Sam Steiger, who had a TV show until his stroke, always quoted "Whiskey if for drinking, water is for fighting." This is classic, the land owner is getting punished, NOT THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY? Mr. King should sue that company.
it was sprayed from a irrigation truck, it wasnt sent to Poland Spring to be bottled. guess where it went after it was used to spray on the ground to keep the dust down...
The Johnstown area. The northern pickaway county rickenbacker area. There are many small towns and rural areas being destroyed by county and government greed in Ohio.
How can I give you my email or something like privately so I don't have to put it on here and we can communicate that way I'm just really want to know what you what you got like I've never heard anything about it
Question now is what happens to all that water once the construction company no longer needs it, when it has to empty those holding tanks... do they just let it drain out onto the ground?
Kings genius plan works out perfectly. He’s not allowed to pump for one year but now will use that sold water to water crops during the one yr ban I’d say.
That water is contaminated after its test purposes. The state will put the shaft to him if he tries to use it for irrigation purposes. Definitely ruin the local water table s.
Yup, he knew. I rented a home with some acres a few years back up by carlsbad nm. Part of the lease agreement was that the water well on the property was not to be used for agriculture/commercial use. So yes, every well in America has a specific purpose registered with said state.
Nonsense. The water could not be pumped back into the ground and the farm doesn't have above ground storage for that amount of water. You are making comments based on facts not in evidence.
Of course they did! Good grief. Potentially contaminated water with metals and chemicals put back on crops for consumption. That makes so much sense. Not how it works
@@fposmith What gives you the idea that the tanks were oily? They were new and being tested for leaks prior to filling. You are just making stuff up with no factual basis.
Does it really matter if he knew the law or not? I will surmise, however, that he did, and he also knew the profit from the water sale would far outweigh any punishment that could be judiciously handed out as fines.
I have heard more than once in my life said, Ignorance is no excuse to the law. I noticed there was no mention of how much money he had received for the unlawful transaction. Maybe a good penalty would be to find out how much, then he having to forfeit that amount.
35 acre irrigation penalty. 😂. Even being generous with what you can profit per acre, that’s a pittance compared to what he sold the water for. $$$$$$$$$
One inch of water per acre is 27145 gallons. Times that by 35 acres is almost 1 million gallons. Some crops need 1 inch per week so times that by say two months. That’s not to far off.
