The Secret Pro Drummers Don't Want To Tell You?

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Ever wonder if there is a drumming secret that all professional drummers know? Well...there is actually. So what do Vinnie Colaiuta, Stewart Copeland, Dave Grohl, Jeff Porcaro, Buddy Rich, Benny Greb, Matt Garstka, Steve Gadd, Antonio Sanchez, and every other pro know? It's not so much a secret as it is just part of being a creative...
I've talked about this for years with my drum students in their drum lessons and any professional drummer will tell you, stealing is a regular part of being an artist. When we learn things from other drummers, we unintentionally make them a part of our own playing. Those things start showing up. And over time, we begin to make them our own. Being able to trace where you learned something and give credit to the original artist is so important.
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@tomjones2348 Год назад

Stephan is a great teacher. I've been with his drum school for over a year, started from scratch. And drums are my third instrument (my two main being classical piano and jazz guitar). One outstanding thing Stephan did at the beginning of the lessons was to recommend a book by Daniel Coyle, "The Talent Code" and the companion book "the little book of talent: 52 tips for improving your skills". I mention these books because tip #3, "Steal without Apology" is what he's doing in this video.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Thanks Tom!!!

@roddyw.7388 Год назад

I like the simple explanation RLK.LRK.KRL..It is simple really..

@DMDvideo10 Год назад

There's only one secret to drumming or any instrument for that matter. Hard work, timing, educate, practice, playing, wash, rinse and repeat...

@SuperlativeElectric Год назад

That would be 7-8 steps, technically.

@DMDvideo10 Год назад

@@SuperlativeElectric Meaning drums is hard work.. Yes...

@deebop4904 Год назад

But only a few are BORN drummers. Kenny aronoff is a metronomically competent drummer, with a shitty sound, no groove, and no feel. Stevie wonder is an amazing natural drummer

@johnhead6116 Год назад

We all replicate chops from our idols

@rogerringold616 Год назад

Oh how wrong you are. It varies person to person. Ive seen sick kids with in months blow fire just naturally in their own imagination...4 yr olds play like grownups....20 hrs life experience....and others practice by the book technique metronome correct methods/books....sound like the high school 4:00 drum section fell down steps on the way to the field.

@stephenjacks2785 Год назад

No pro musician would ever hide anything from anyone who genuinely have a love and passion for music no matter what level they are at

@phatbeachdaddy2346 Год назад

Major beginner here…One thing I always look for when watching someone play…the HH clapping keeping time during the groove…it just seems like such a foundational thing to playing a kit. Maybe it’s just me.

@JB-xo8sr Год назад

Great lesson, man! You hit the mark about using predefined parameters, but also introducing variation while repeating simple concepts. The possibilities are infinite. That's when art is born.

@musopaul5407 8 месяцев назад

The first thing you're doing is called a "broken double". Tony Williams was one of the first people to use it. In Gary Chaffee's Patterns Vol 2 (Stickings), there's a whole section on it where, like he does, he goes through every permutation. Vinnie of course was a huge Tony Williams fan and also studied with Chaffee, and has a legendary work ethic as well as mind-boggling instinct and aptitude. I watched another of your more recent videos where you talk about really going into one thing deeply (great video!). If you have the patience and desire, Chaffee's system is a good means of doing it. I studied with him over 35 years ago and I'm still working on some of the concepts I studied with him.

@rockerbob949 Год назад

As long as we are willing to give credit to the guys we “steal” from. Some call it “inspired or influenced by”. We’re encouraged to learn from the greats that came before so it’s bound to happen.

@chadmdalton Год назад

I think that is the wonderful thing as an artist. You take all these nuggets from the players that influenced you and you get to meld them into "your" style. I never really thought of it as "stealing" so much as "borrowing". The thing I've noticed after years of playing is that the licks that I "borrow" from other players evolve into something a little different. Or, I will mix and blend a couple of different things together because it fits the song that we are doing. I just love that natural organic evolution of music. For instance, I've played in rock cover bands for years and with the same general group of players for about the last 20 years. All of the "standard" rock covers we do all have evolved into a slightly different animal. Almost to the point where other players who sit in have a tough time following because we maybe repeated a phrase, or put some syncopated breaks in, etc.

@mattnieri1202 Год назад

@3:52 Roy Burns I got a response from Aquarian customer service via email about a question I had about one of their heads, saying give me a call at this number. Next thing you know, "hello this is Roy Burns" and he explained everything to me. Sweetest guy ever.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Totally blanked when I was doing this live stream lol And agree, Roy called me to tell me he liked my snare tone in a video. Total class act

@ianhinrichsendrummer2113 Год назад

I don't think there's a musician on earth that hasn't "stolen" ideas from other musicians, it's called - learning.

@ChrisWhittenMusic Год назад

Amusing title.... we all stand on the shoulders of the drummers that came before us. I'm not a fan of copying one drummer to such an extent that you become a clone, but not as good. Of course, most people copy one idea from one favourite drummer, then another idea from a second favourite drummer and so on. As we all have different favourite drummers (influences), we all end up sounding different, especially when we mix all those bits we've copied together.

@RC32Smiths01 Год назад

But it's not stealing! It's Inspiration, I tell you! Haha, we all have to start somewhere indeed, especially in the broad world of music.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Absolutely

@mp4-27d3 Год назад

I never thought of it as “stealing”, but I guess it is. I always thought that’s what people meant when they talked about “influences”. I admit it, I have stealing stuff from drummers I like. It’s cool to know some big time drummers did it too.😁

@OFLHLGZ28 Год назад

I agree with you….. to me that’s what influences are. I don’t really see it as stealing.

@kellyklingbeil5802 Год назад

Ian Paice once said, There's nothing new, Everybody borrows from everybody else and makes it their's...

@ozrutap Год назад

I love the layout of the wall in the background..

@stevewilcock4767 Год назад

The day drum beats have a patent is a sad day! Cheers.

@philwright2480 Год назад

I used parts of Lee Kerslake, Uriah Heep in some of my bands songs over the years, also Bill Ward, and Doug Clifford

@bmaxwell Год назад

Yay for Austin Kleon, author of Steal Like an Artist.

@SAHBfan Год назад

Quite a few drummers have been credited with being ‘the source’ of a particular pattern or idea because they did it on a famous record. What interests me, is, where did they get it from? For example, lots of drummers will credit John Bonham with hand to foot triplets - but in the early 60s (before Cream) you can hear Ginger Baker playing them, when Bonham was still an unknown teenager. Where did Baker get hand to foot triplets from? I’m sure he wasn’t the first by a long way. Does anyone know who did this first? And if we found out who was first - would any of us have heard of the guy? I bet there is an obscure, scratchy vinyl 78 out there somewhere, where an unknown dixieland drummer drops in a couple of bars of triplets on his wood block and bass drum and someone else thought “Hmmm…. I could make something out of that”.

@rebusd Год назад

Elvin Jones was one of the first to keep the ride pattern going while tripling the other three limbs in the quarter note.

@deebop4904 Год назад

Baker NEVER did good times bad times like bonham. Nor did he have his sound

@johnpop5066 Год назад

Most examples are stealing licks and specifics really close to others. It comes a bit easier and more your own by learning styles. Exactly what you said at 3:24 ish. Spot on! Learn their styles and the rest is up to you.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Yes!

@TheGarageBandSyndicate Год назад

I completely suck but one thing I have had and am getting better with is placing cymbals so I can have happy accidents and eventually intentional ones where I get that glancing hit from cymbal to Tom

@andrewboettcher9853 Год назад

Stephen is the Tim Pierce of drumming !

@gabrielbarrera8662 Год назад

ripp off what you can, make it your own, and play from the heart. you can never go Wrong.

@terryfonz4603 Год назад

Stewart Copeland says he just moves his snare quarter beats to the right one quarter beat and that you can move yours to the left a quarter beat because that one is still available!

@hollownation Год назад

Something I have recently started doing for practice and if I’m initiating a jam is play along to a melody in my head something I know well and not necessarily playing the beat on the record but just jamming along to the melody it’s opened up a lot of new possibilities and technique for me

@steverichdrummr Год назад

Stephen, I love that you are so down to earth and you don't have any overblown ego. This makes your videos great to me. Back on topic, I think I should now thank Gene Krupa because I sometimes play eight note triplets on my snare with accents, while my bass drum is hitting quarter notes, lol! Great insight my friend.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Thank you my friend

@goesjem Год назад

I also love those accented Krupa triplets on the snare with the quarter note kick drum pulse. They sound great and not hard to play. Krupa played those runs very often, usually repeatedly over many bars. Pure class! This is a great video. Thanks Stephan!

@johnbeckwith1361 Год назад

That's not stealing, more like being influenced or inspired by drum parts. And with so much material out there, what makes you unique is your specific choice of drum parts that stand out enough for you to make them a part of you.

@charlesavino8826 Год назад

Talk about low hanging fruit, I think this one had already fallen off the tree- while I was recording an album with a group I had a drum fill, and near the end of it I put in a single stick click as my way of nodding to Steve Gadd on Asia. And it doesn’t feel right if I don’t put a Bonham lick into a song a few times a night,

@scottbray3053 8 месяцев назад

makes me think of just doing drum solo's as a kid every little piece becomes much more

@scottbray3053 8 месяцев назад

accept i had a 32 piece drum kit lol

@bigjules5139 Год назад

.'.. I'm packing up my gear for a legover tour" ? 😂

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

"Leg of a tour" 🤣

@malinwj1167 Год назад

"Composers write, but artists steal" or something like that, as it were

@TrampledNations 7 месяцев назад

this is so cool and useful. Thank you!!!

@K13R0NI3O6 Год назад

It is so true. But I was shock with how I discovered this. I taught my self drums by listening to bands an repeating what I heard. That's just how I learned in my late teens before I started forming a couple of cover bands before moving on to original material bands. Cut to being in my 30s. I start a band from scratch. 9 years down the line, now being 45. I randomly, due to nostalgia start listening to a bunch of songs from a band that I never covered or drummed a long to? That me and my dad used to listen too when I was in my 'early' teens. No word of a lie, the amount of that bands fills I use in my latest band at 45 that have come from that band I listened to with my dad before even starting the drums? Shocking! It happens so instinctively and organically ? Without even realising it! Crazy

@thecrippledrummer Год назад

Roy Burns was a great guy and a monster player. He was one of a precious few drummers who gave Buddy a run for his money in the mid-1960s.

@fredlittle8127 Год назад

In addition to putting your own spin on these patterns, what really makes them work is the use of space.

@manuelgchapajr2000 Год назад

PRACTICE PERIOD!!!

@rossrinkenbaugh4005 Год назад

Dude that kit looks to be a 60s model Ludwig, sounds sweet 💯🥁

@juggernautjoff Год назад

Thank you ! Great video for this new drummer, longtime guitar player! 🤘🏻🥁I do this with guitar riffs when i was writing songs in my former metal band. You are inspired by a little something and then morph it into something different.

@kensurratt2729 Год назад

It's being influenced or borrowing what fits. Bonham borrowed from Appice. Appice borrowed from Crupa etc. Different instrument... SRV borrowed from Albert King and others, he freely admitted it.

@jonathanandrew2909 Год назад

Good video. Thanks!

@markhedges1194 Год назад

Great advice as always Stephen, thank you and God bless!

@nathanharper3114 Год назад

Interested in your seminar in Idaho! Where can I find details?

@MrGilperc Год назад

Aquarian founder - Roy Burns.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

I completely blanked while filming this lol

@JayJackson-hb7ks Год назад

Vinnie ripped tons of stuff from Tony Williams,who got it from Alan Dawson. The lineage of this stuff is great,you go back to the source…❤️

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Yes! Love that lineage you laid out...I took from two of Dawson's former students. What a legend

@user-mq8kn5cr5c Год назад

the secret is to head over to SDS and learn from a pro. but seriously SDS is a great place to learn and helped me improve my drumming more than i could ever imagine. awesome video dude

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Makes my day to hear that my friend!

@donaldshattock6414 Год назад

Good stuff!!!! Thanks!!!

@ROMLIVES Год назад

I do this a lot with Phil Collins’ licks! Watcher of the Skies is beastly!

@johnbroadley7593 Год назад

Brilliant old drummers (me) 👍going back after 20 years find this great to relearn drums Love it

@BenKel-eu4rq Год назад

Well....some call it theft.others may call it hard work....but i like to call it...."borrow" yeah thats what it is...."borrowing"!

@agatho84 Год назад

This is awesome .. Thank you Stephen!

@lesturgeon6426 7 месяцев назад

the morse code, like Neil Peart and the tune YYZ

@Tonyclaret1 Год назад

Awesome !!!

@toothnail605 Год назад

It is never steeling if you always say "I borrowed the idea and/or it from so and so." When you don't say where it comes from IF someone `asks, *then -- it's stealing.* Peace

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Totally agree

@riccardocuneo Год назад

Grazie! Bellissima lezione!

@carlospapa Год назад

Great great lesson!!!

@danbgt Год назад

So. I’m coming up on 73 years old. I started playing drums in 1962. (Man. I hate to say that out loud.) Pretty sure that is something like 61 years? I have never played an “original” lick. At times I thought I did. But no. Not really. I think there was a small handful of drummers that were around when a set of drums became a thing back in the big band era that came up with the small handful of licks that we have all copied. For around a hundred years. 🤔

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Lol, I'm the same. I'll think I've played something original then I hear an album I used to be into and I realize "well crap, I stole that from this album"

@peteglase Год назад

Oh for sure! We could go through my whole discography and I can tell were I stole the grooves/Licks 😂

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Haha! Same

@peterboyd687 Год назад

Hi Stephen. Is that a Ludwig kit you're playing?

@willdavid6697 Год назад

Great video!

@curiousnomad Год назад

Stealing from Vinnie sounds like a good idea, until you try it.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Haha...truth!

@nohotiki Год назад

If you don't steal (influenced) from other artists, then you'll never learn anything.

@jones2720 Год назад

I will never understand why Stephen is ‘down’ talking himself when playing licks from the great and famous. Stephen is a sick sick SICK puppy on the drums. A beast in his own league.

@user-is1xx3ju8b Год назад

Maybe one of your best videos, In my opinion. Thank you.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Thanks Dan! This is just one of the two weekly calls I do every week with my students. Talk about stuff like this every week. Glad you dig!

@reset-xs9ql Год назад

looks like you got the acrolite off the rack. i miss mine. my first snare.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Oh yea...I believe it's a mid 60s or early 70s. Got it used off a cat in Alabama

@nikdrown Год назад

If you’re influenced and most if not all of us are AND you’re full on creative you’re going to pull from things. I have several instances in original composition I used drum ideas from famous happenings of sorts. If they are in context to original music it’s not that apparent. Especially when where you’re pulling from and where it goes aren’t even close to the same style of music

@whitneyryan-ng1cq Год назад

If this isn't already the most obvious thing in the world to you, you might not be a musician.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

It's obvious to many, but a lot of students I've spoken to over the years still feel some sort of guilt for mimicking their idols. As if there is something wrong about it

@smarsey Год назад

This guy is great. I love his videos. From a distance he looks and sounds a lot like Louis CK!

@noelghallager4672 Год назад

man, I feel like this was pretty click-bait... I think a more appropriate "secret" might be something like how often Vinnie used to practice, which was ALL THE TIME. That's not talked about enough and it was pretty well known back in the 80's and 90's amongst musicians in LA just how dedicated he was. I had a friend who studied with him in the 80's who said the dashboard of his car was completely destroyed because he would work on rudiments in his car while driving!

@matthewguzda4075 4 месяца назад

Ehh you hear something and love it and then naturally think ,hey let me see if i can play that, or, i think i can play that thing, and there you go. Its like the 20s thru fifties ppl would play songs that were popular but did it their way. It irks me ppl sample today but its same idea. I guess its how you do it.

@MusicmanSD83 Год назад

What is he taking off/on his snare?

@PhilRounds Год назад

This isn't a secret. Everyone's drumming is derived from what they've heard other drummers do.

@flowerlandofjohn Год назад

Well, but they did all told us openly on tv ✌🏻😂 Sorry, just had to! Great work, keep it up 🙏🏻🤩

@johnpop5066 Год назад

Get yourself a little Omar Hakim also 😊

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

That guy...so good

@johnpop5066 Год назад

@@StephenTaylorDrums I'm not sure I have ever been able to secure his style at all, like you said so good. But it's not a coincidence he did the first Sting blue turtles before Vinnie. Great stuff Stephen.

@masinaverde901 Год назад

That Ozmosys record is cool!

@veraw1221 Год назад

Vinnys great coz he slowed buddy rich down to learn the chops DW NORFOLK U.K.

@musicalADD_theband Год назад

11:30 that’s what I sound like at the moment 😝😝

@frank.l181 Год назад

Even Dave weckel borrowed alot of buddy Rich groove' s in put in his bag.

@Pericles777 Год назад

I steal ALL my shit.....but i still sound like me no matter what I do🤣🤣🤣

@BigSunn0 Год назад

Those freakin bastard drummers, I should have KNOWN they were always trying to hold me back. It was ALWAYS THEIR fault I failed.

@criops Год назад

I don’t think Jeff Porcaro cares what secrets drummers know anymore.

@danielabilez3619 Год назад

No person invented music. It is alot like conversation. You learn words, phrases, timing, and delivery.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Yes!

@markhealey3660 Год назад

I’ve stolen from over 25 drummers from Moe Purtle to Neil Peart. I’ve even stolen from Beethoven and Keith Emerson.

@KeyGuy88 Год назад

Fools borrow.... Masters steel outright!!

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Yes! Haha

@Exaltation-heliacal Год назад

Parts are one thing. Playing like you have a pair is another.

@royphillips7435 Год назад

Drumming is the easiest of all to do if you're a born one I can't copy anyone or play anything other folks have already nicked , just bash n boom I say 👍

@Zaroff91 Год назад

whats this "youtube premium enhanced bitrate" crap? 1080p looks like 480p without premium now?

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

As I say in the beginning, this was taken from a love streamed call I did with my students. So the quality is not as high as it usually is

@Zaroff91 Год назад

@@StephenTaylorDrums alright my apologies, i missed that part. Hopefully youtube wont do what i just thought they did.

@bigfoothunter666 Год назад

Watcher of the skies

@broeheemed32 Год назад

I learned "cymbal chokes" from Roger Taylor. Oh, god..... I hope he doesn't sue me!

@Petra123- Год назад

There’s a big difference copyright violation is criminal, but a drummer playing a certain style. It’s just picking up a Drum beat and rhythm that they like and drumming like them which is not criminal. Even most drummers will tell you they’re inspired by certain drummers that help them to become a better drummer. John Bonham of Led Zeppelin was inspired by Buddy Rich.

@deebop4904 Год назад

You cant copyright a rhythm, or a chord change fool

@1wretchedsoul Год назад

2 secrets not included here….. groove and swing….. don’t even show up without them.

@gadymarcus2362 Год назад

Magnifico.⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️

@latentsea Год назад

“Good artists copy, Great artists steal” Meaning Great artists copy, but then make it their own.

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

Absolutely!

@Drummer55 Год назад

You swapped your Tama kit for a Ludwig? I'll wait for you to come up against the Ludwig hardware wall. There is no comparison to Tama hardware. I've lived it...

@StephenTaylorDrums Год назад

I left Tama last year. Agree with you, they have great hardware. But I was loving some other sounds...so I'm playing whatever I want atm. Ludwig, Yamaha, Roger's, vintage...just having fun. They all make pretty great hardware these days. I still use my iron cobra hihat pedal

@kengyang1908 Год назад

All drumming is simple if u keep it simple,,,it's one's own ego that gets in the way n bad practice habits

@raytamaira813 Год назад

It's not stealing, pro drummers are more than happy for you to use their stuff because your inspired by them.

@AxeMan808 Год назад

Oh. That's how I do it ANYWAY. I start by trying to imitate something, then I just let my own groove take over and mutate it. EDIT: added 'trying to'

@Mari000 Год назад

We all “borrow”

@lizardears4861 Год назад

It’s all about embracing the culture of drumming. All the art disciplines do it. Study the history, learn where it all came from and grab your inspirations. Too many today are more into cancelling their culture and ignoring history.

@OFLHLGZ28 Год назад

Mr. Roy was the best.

@user-yd2wg5my6h Год назад

And btw they have nothing to hide and everything is visible! They have no reason to feel threatened by other’s knowledge! And those guys have already had their top success! Nobody can take what they’ve earned nor their skills!