@@tfw8738it’s more likely that “Luna burns” is a dramatic change in tone, because if it was still concise military language it would be less vague, like “___ performing de-orbiting burns”
@@tfw8738 Honestly, the fact that it's difficult to tell from context whether it's a sanitized technical description of a space maneuver or a dramatically laconic description of an extraplanetary nuclear exchange lend to the impact of the phrase. Sort of suggests the confusion that you'd expect in the opening hours of a war.
@@nf359it certainly feels like a tone change marker. IMO there's two possibilities: - Luna being a location on the Moon - Luna being the Moon itself Luna is Russian for "Moon" so it wouldn't be far fetched saying the Soviet Base on the Moon would be called that, what puts of this theory is the fact that the sentence "Luna burns" shows up before the video tells us that the Soviet Base on on the Moon's North Pole is attacked by the QRF. As for the second option, "Luna" is also latin for Moon, by using the latin word for moon and pairing it with "burns" it sets the tone very well that there's no going back from the point that Horizon LSS was destroyed, the cogs of war are now turning, the moon is now a battlefield, so it burns metaphorically and literally (nuclear fire).
@@fernandomarques5166 Terra and Luna tends to be used in SF to specifically refer to the Planet Earth and the Earth's Moon because the rest of the planet names are in latin(ish) and uncapitalized words have other meaning that may be used in same context(especially "moon" that can mean any natural satellite) Also, burn as orbital maneuver isn't usually paired with just the nearest celestial body. So it is indeed more likely to be a dramatic phrase.
The vehicles are silly though...but almost there...they'd look like a big space shuttle with vertices launch rubes so basically a submarine ...look up usss Curtis Lemay
Imagine if you will, being an amateur astronomer on a warm summer night in July of 1997. The band of the Milky Way galaxy is overhead on the southern sky. Dazzling stars and dark nebulae stretch overhead past zenith. You instantly recognize two dimly lit blue stars: Neptune and Uranus. A noticeably bright star to the left was Jupiter, punching through the Moon's glow during it's waning gibbous phase. Finally, Saturn slowly rising on the eastern horizon. There, you eye the moon using your telescope and notice very bright and distinguishable pulses of light on it's surface. One after another, a hundred suns ignite the lunar skies.
Very nice, love the visuals. Just want to point out that Neptune and Uranus aren't considered visible to the unaided eye, but even a small nuclear weapon on the moon would be.
I love how the Earth-Lunar map adheres to actual orbital mechanics and how a potential backup defence force would be stationed with eliptical orbits irl
"Man, regular space travel will be so cool! We'll get to see the sights and visit different planets and eventually get to live on them!" The cold reality:
Most people: "I wished I was an astronaut as a kid, but I soon learned I'd just have a boring life ahead of me..." Me: "I wished I was an astronaut as a kid before learning things about space that made me decide you couldn't drag me off of this rock kicking and screaming."
@@charonsferryold Like what exactly? Space Travel isn't exactly 5/5 on the safety rating but as far as things going wrong the worst you've got to worry about realistically is muscle decay and radiation.
Cold War-ish era space tech used in an interplanetary combat scenario is the coolest idea I never knew I needed more of. Reagan literally got his “Star Wars”.
Probably because that ship class are basically nuclear missile launchers, designed to hold and fire dozens, if not hundreds of nukes at both tactical and strategic yields. They are meant to do two things: - Long-ranged antiship combat - Nuclear bombardment of planets and moons.
Check out Children of a Dead Earth! I think there are a few missions that feature siloships in some way. Just be ready for a lot of orbital maneuvering....
@@bittertwigi just wish children of a dead earth had more variety. Computer-controlled ships all behave roughly the same way, they don't do any fancy maneuvering, and the ship design possibilities are very limited. Also, we need proximity fuses, and the campaign mode requiring that your armor remains pristine to get a gold rating on every mission is very dumb
i feel like i've stepped into the coolest thing ever but have NO clue whats going on but im still going with it because its so awesome i love everything about this. the aesthetics, the ksp/bdarmoury, the music, the quotes, the tactical view of the ships, its all PERFECT
I am not sure that half of the people here know this isn’t CGI and is infact “just” incredibly well edited Kerbal Space Program Edit: You guys are splitting hairs here, I am saying a lot of people don’t realise this was made in a video game rather than a 3D animation program.
1:17 I would recognize those parts anywhere. Tantarus is a great mod. Nothing says space socialism like non-androgenous docking ports, spheres of propellant, and of course, rocket pods in quad symetry
okay well now that I'm looking for the KSP in it... god yeah that's KSP footage taken with some good camera angles (and wonderful design) put through at least 3 filters and chopped up super well. And you know what? If I had to make shots like these, KSP would probably be my actual best option but I would not think of that for like, at least a couple months.
This is easily the best iteration on the analog horror format I've ever seen. Innovation like this is what we need, not more boring monster concepts and predictable jumpscares. Keep up the great work
I'm intrigued by Pave Pulsar I/II... "PAVE" is a USAF prefix for various programs ranging from the Paveway series laser-guided bomb, to the Pave Hawk/Pave Low helicopters, Pave Tack targeting pod, etc. I'm thinking the most relevant though would be PAVE PAWS (Phased Array Warning System) that's made to detect incoming nuclear missiles and perform space surveillance.
And a pulsar (pulsating radio source) is a spinning, magnetized neutron star that emits powerful beams of electromagnetic radiation at very precise, very regular intervals. The way the beams "pulse" in and out of detection as they are directed at or away from Earth has been compared to a lighthouse.
also consider that modern phased array systems, when sufficiently powerful (a ground-based system could have a heavy powerplant indeed), are potentially useful not only for detection and tracking, but also electronic warfare and directed energy attacks
*I FUCKING LOVE SPACE WARFARE* *I WANT TO BURN AT 1.5 G'S FOR 7 HOURS FOR AN ENGAGEMENT WINDOW OF 16 SECONDS AT 100 KM* *THEN WAIT 3 DAYS FOR THE NEXT MERGE BECAUSE THE EVASIVE BURNS TURNED THE ORBIT ECCENTRIC AND WE DON'T HAVE THE DELTA-V LEFT OVER TO CORRECT IT*
I do love the idea that these futuristic military spacecraft are still armed with the M61 Vulcan, which is just a few years shy of being a WWII-era weapon system.
@@ruskiwaffle1991 true, but what I was getting at was the fact that the idea of what became the M61 was originally commissioned by the US Army in 1946. And in the CoaDE timeline, is a legitimate weapons system despite having migrated to a starship-mounted weapon system.
With no atmosphere and gravity, a mini gun would be a perfect weapons platform if you think about it. High volume of fire in a zero g environment would probably be devastating to ships.@zackakai5173
If they knew a way to make the M2 Browning .50 Cal to shoot in a Vaccum You bet it would be used. Hell they are using the same M2 Browning on the most advanced Tanks and IFV's they used on the Sherman Tanks and I bet if the atmosphere allowed the M2 browning to work it would be used constantly on that Planet
@@TRZ99 I don't recall the exact details but I'm pretty sure the USSR actually did have a mini gun of sorts on at least one of their space craft that was never used.
I didn't expect a Kerbal Space Program alt-history realistic space battle machinima to be what I needed but here I am. Great job whoever you are, you hit a topic that's extremely cool but extremely underexplored in media.
Did they? Horizon was still destroyed, enemy combatants crossed over the anomaly, and who knows if there are enough defenses on the other side to neutralize them
Oddly enough, I watched this, saved the music, and forgot about the video. Months later, I was trying to remember where I got the music from, and here this was sitting in my 'memes' folder. Godspeed, this still gave me goosebumps.
NUCLEAR PULSE PROPULSION? DSBF really making Project Orion. This is absolutely brilliant and I love hard scifi and I'm so watching all of this over and over again.
Shackleton crater is a real crater on the moon, and it does actually contain an abnormal amount of water ice. And yes, it is named after that Shackleton.
For some reason, this vaguely reminds me of, "A Colder War," by Charles Stross. When I watch this, I get a vague sense of unease as tensions over a not-fully-understood technology escalate wildly out of control with an uncertain -- but surely terrifying -- outcome.
This video is so great, watched it like 20 times already. I love how it slaps with the scenes and music. Good work overall. Also so much attention to detail. Like damn watching it over and over made me notice so much.
I have no idea what is going on but I dig it. EDit: after viewing the other vids - did the Soviets breach through the anomaly to attack the Janus system?
The ending is one wild escalation. It should read as the first extra terrestrial war, but we skip that and go straight to extra solar, as if the moon is in another solar system. Amazing video though. Very cool.
Apparently Horizon is the site of a wormhole that leads to another system. Maybe because this crater and anomaly is of global importance it causes tension between the USSR and USA leading to the space confrontation. I wonder what happens to everybody back on Earth, maybe that's for another video.
It's incredible, they've almost completely covered up the existence of the Lunar SSR now, too. Russia must still be funding them somehow, though- not sure how they make the ideology work..
@@Whatisthishandle-v1l Vulta - Shattered Inspiration taken from this RU-vidr who did a Cold War edit. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2B4r5KmYuec.html
I just discovered this arg series and I am loving the presentation, the cgi is a bit obvious even through the filter but the musical sting more than make up for it.
I've heard many, many times from various sources that realistic space combat (ship to ship, fleet to fleet) wouldn't be interesting nor exciting, that's why we have "star wars style" space combat in most scifi shows. Then i've read lost fleet series the expanse books and i thought "it's actually exciting but scary also". Then i've watched the expanse series and i immediately changed my mind. It's not that it's not interesting... It's absolutely *TERRIFYING*
There's a shot in the Expanse during the fight at Thoth station where 40mm PDC rounds are punching straight through the bridge of the Rocinante. The crew are strapped into their chairs and aren't turned to red mist purely through luck. It's a truly sphincter-tightening sequence
@@matthewdev That makes sense, but lunar maneuvers don't require that much ΔV. Nuclear rocketjets would maybe be the optimal choice for most theaters of space war.
@josh_kerman you're right, but when you're fighting in space, sometimes you'd want more than just adjust your orbit, take Arcturus for instance, just adjusting your orbit to launch would still make the nukes take multiple hours to reach their targets, but with the orions they can just accelerate a lot more, a lot faster, launch whatever they're launching (reaching the targets a lot sooner than just a hohmann transfer), and then return to a stable orbit in a pinch. Meanwhile, most other kinds of nuclear rockets will have quite low thrust and less deltaV still, so you'd get higher response/reaction times, and require more constant refueling
What inspired you the most, For all Mandkind, Children of a Dead Earth, The Expanse, Lunar War, Projectrho or something else entirely? Mare Ignis, what do DSBF, LSB, NRO stand for? I am correct in assuming you made this in moded KSP and not blender? If so that would make this animation even more outstanding good job. The Attacking Vessels are of Soviet manufacture? You know what? I only joined twitter for this (and Scott Manley).
Ok, so I'm having trouble keeping track of which ships are which. 0:26 Lockheed Quarterhorse (nice touch that it isn't Lockheed Martin, I guess the Martin Marietta merger never happened) 0:35 VKS Oscar gunship? the Quarterhorse has 1 gun, so it cant be that. 0:49 OSD Defender 0:52 Either the VKS Silocraft, or some unnamed OSD ship. It isn't the defender since there is no orion drive. 0:59 Some unknown OSD silocraft? it shows it launching nukes after mentioning that strikes were authorized against the north (VKS) 1:09 Quarterhorse again 1:14 no idea, maybe the VKS Silocraft again. 1:17 VKS Oscar gunship
0:52 is defo the VKS Olympic-class Silocraft, looks way too much alike the silhouette shown at the "Hostile fleet" section earlier. Biggest ID'ing features is the long silos running down the lenght of the craft.
1:14 is an OSD-1 exchanging fire with a Olympic/KoM-18 Ozone silocraft. 1:17 is actually a VKS Oarfish class interceptor. There's nothing about the Oarfish or the OSD-1 in the video, but its on the guy's twitter page.
This would go so hard as hard-sf videogame setting (COADE spiritual successor perhaps?). The only 2 nitpicks I have: * Audible gunfire in non-onboard audio shots (especially soviet craft). * Nuke flashes not *brilliantly* illuminating NPP craft as they are accelerating Maybe also the NPP craft seeming awfully close for nuclear pulse propulsion, but that's probably extremely narrow angle telescopic shot so they may actually be quite a way apart (at least my headcanon says so). Not sure about B-8M1 looking launchers on soviet craft, conical launchers look a bit pointless in space, something like B-8W20 might be more space effective to carry into orbit if repurposing military aviation hardware.
This isn't just world building. It's worlds building! Amazing attention to detail with the spacecraft manufacturers and orbital mechanics, and I can't wait to find out what in Shackleton crater led to the first extrasolar battle. Is the ice there from a wormhole leading to a cryovolcanic exo planet?
Kind of, they have a followup where it essentially exits on another ice exoplanet... leading to a situation where the USA has essentially found an entire Solar system they can Colonize and extract resources from that the Soviets are completely shut out from. The Shackleton Disaster is the Soviets essentially destroying all of the local facilities (mining and research) built around that wormholes event horizon, before attempting a hail mary dive through the Event Horizon to "claim" or blockade that access... all while the USA Nuke's Soviet facilities on the Moon and then pursues the Soviet fleet through the Event Horizon... where the first Extrasolar battle occurs
either the battle went on for about 2 days or it took 2 days from the moment the vns squadron was detected to actually intercept and the battle was over in a couple of minutes or the battle is considered over when the nukes traveled all the way from luna to earth , the only part i dont quite get is the thousand suns , it couldnt have been earth's ships intercepting the nukes, since they are shown as lunching from diferent places and following different trajectories, maybe luna had enough nukes to saturation bombard their own low orbit?
There are at least two battles depicted in this video, one above the moon lasts at least one hour and fifty-four minutes; the other begins at least twenty-four hours later above Janus. The thousand suns are likely the impact of soviet nuclear weapons, LSB/USA don't authorise nuclear strikes until fifty-seven minutes later.
@@firesoldier343 Ohh yeah, yeah that makes a lot more sense! It's definitely those drives, not an attack! (Along with the implication that those ships have secondary, non-orion drives for "peacetime" use)
You can feel the energy of the events occurring the Black and on Earth. The chaos on the ground as the struggle for domination erupts over the one place that will define Mankinds future. The terror of those serving in the void as their oh so fragile homes and craft become fair game in a nuclear war. The atmosphere is... intoxicating.
Wait, at the end it says it's the first extrasolar battle. That makes no sense, shouldn't it say extraterrestrial battle? Edit: nevermind, I watched the other video and now I actually understand what's going on. The extrasolar battle part must be taking place at Janus.
This is going to be a great primer of what The Expanse's space battles are like for my friends who haven't had the privilege of watching. Surely this will get them hooked, right?
