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Read a report that Ryder logistics, ran an electric vs diesel, at the end of the test period, they found the electric was more than double the cost to operate.
I read the Ryder report. Firstly a lot of the information is not yet available and the report has wild assumptions. Time will tell. A better report would be a real life experience of Amazon with Rivian vans that have been fantastic in operation , low cost and loved by rge drives. See the many RU-vid videos
@@InformedKiwi That is for local delivery not open road and it still not that great maybe way into the future but not in 5 to 10 years they need to improve on EV technology a lot to make it Safe and affordable and that is a Fact
That's because they're not engineers or practical minded people, they think issuing a few laws and deadlines and magically everything will change, and of course none of them are conversant with Newton's first law of thermodynamics.
Politicians aren't practical minded people, they think issuing a few laws and targets will magically change things, and none of them are conversant with Newton's first law of thermodynamics.
Politicians aren't practical minded people, they think issuing a few laws and targets will magically change things, and none of them are conversant with Newton's first law on the conservation of energy.
Benefits you mean. Pepsi claims to have saved $200k over 3 yrs for each Tesla they run. And none of their drivers want to go back to weak crappy diesels.
@@chrismayer3919 Asinine numbers, anyone with two functioning neurons knows that a 40k lb semi load is not charging $160,000 for hauling a load from anywhere but the moon. THINK before posting garbage.
@@chrismayer3919 Ever THINK before posting asinine nonsense? You really suppose anyone pays $160,000 let alone $280,000 for the freight on a load of groceries??
But youve never driven a electric truck ,100 torque at all times, but thats the only plus about em, truck without a shifter is like no clint in high plains drifter
How many miles have you driven a Tesla semi? Pepsi claims to save $200k over 3 yrs for each Tesla they run. And none of their drivers want to go back to weak crappy diesels.
Are you kidding! I am a retired truck driver and I would drive one if I was able! Yes today's newer trucks are easy to drive compared to what I use to drive! But to drive a EV trucks would make trucking so much nicer! No smoking brakes, climbing hills as fast as driving on flat land, no shifting, no dealing with fueling, and yes you still have to charge them but do it while sleeping or off shift, Quiet operation! End of long hauling just 500 mile routes like a lot of companies are already doing! And as what I have heard from Tesla sites they are going away with lithium batteries.
I am a retired owner-operator trucker, and when I was in the industry it was all about the weight of the loads. How is anyone going to make money when the batteries are so heavy?!
Yes the batteries are very heavy and you’re pulling your own battery weight, so much cargo has to go down in weight to compensate. The wait for recharging time is terrible and where is that electricity being generated to charge it. Likely a fossil fuel power plant, that’s burning coal or natural gas, maybe even diesel fuel.
I also am a retired trucky owner driver and company driver , one of the big companies I worked for ran the big rigs for about 18 hours a day , two shifts pulling two trailers up to a legal 68 metric ton GCM , the truck would get back to the depot , the driver would drop his trailers out in the warehouse, hand in his paperwork, go and fuel up the truck, give the truck the truck a wash and tidy up on the inside ready for the next shift , then park it up for the next driver , the engine would still be warm when the next driver turned up , and this was the norm every day. You cannot pull those weights for a start with a battery truck . I have a mate with a small bus company out in the country , the local shire he works out of want him to replace his reliable diesel buses with battery powered buses …. Or else . The replacement battery buses will cost more than double , the replacement battery buses will not have the range to do the job , yet the shire demands he change to more expensive , less capable electric buses by date X , this is the sort of greenie minded stupidity we are seeing by politicians. All I can say mate , is I’m glad I’m old because the path we are being taken is idiotic, and I hope I’m not around to see where we end up. Cheers.
When you go to the charging station, you may have to wait for hours before its your turn to take another few hours to charge. There may be another 20 trucks behind you waiting for their turn to charge.
@@mikemotorbike4283 That is still going to be very very costly , it will add extra weight and complexity, and you can bet the battery swapping companies will want to make a profit , so it would no doubt add even more cost.
I agree, but they must then slow charge the others batteries, or manufacturer more and more batteries as they fast charge them then dump them in the landfill. Again, not good for the environment @@mikemotorbike4283
@@mikemotorbike4283 This was my answer to the problem, and is completely simple and feasible. This strategy should be implemented. Works with my leaf blower.
What little do you know. In cold Norway with now 94% of all car sales EVs and using them in -40 in the far north works for them. I know I have been to Kirkenes and seen the EVs in use and talked to the car owners. Same applies to all electric vehicles
@@InformedKiwi And they all charge in minutes and never break down. Yet the real reports is opposite and used EVs are worthless. Like they are in the rest of the world. 94%? Yeah and the pope is Muslim!
Here is a deal for you all. Take your diesel tractor and put it in a shop and leave in running all night and sleep in it, and put a Tesla tractor in a shop leave in on all night and sleep in it, and it the morning the two drivers can talk about which pollutes more. :)
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@paulstough2995 it's a matter of where it Pollutes. Electric trucks rely on mining some very nasty materials, and using power which is Often generated from coal. Modern diesel truck engines in a polluted area often put out cleaner air than they take in.
Hamm... do you know that most Cobalt in the world is used by oil refineries and that one is all consumed, with nothing to recycle or recover? Have you checked the numbers? Could you check this only subject, and tell me about Diesel after ?...
Canada here......Check out edison motors they are building a hybrid logging truck that is lighter than a regular truck It goes up the hills empty and comes down with a load of logs where the kinetic energy recharges the batteries and they Calculate that it will get up to fifty percent more fuel economy. Not only do they build a truck from the ground up, but they've also done retrofits on older trucks that date back into the 60s.
@@Mrbfgray Do not bother too much, imagine the manufacturers of whips when the cars took the horses out from the streets... and the coachmen... "Horses for life. 100%!!" they claimed...
As a logistics manager I need trucks to be available 24 hours per day. I have drivers working day shift on local deliveries and night shift trunking between depots, so our trucks never stop working! Operating EVs would mean buying a second fleet of trucks and that would put us out of business 😢
@@MrbfgrayIt looks like the Pepsi example is a limited number of trucks split between local distribution and longer. Didn’t see how much in subsidies is in those numbers. This example is also CA and if southern you’re not dealing with cold weather. Also sounds like they are only charging in the Pepsi terminals
Electric trucks are unaffordable, maintenance on them is time consuming and extremely expensive. The fire risk is immense, and insuring them is almost impossible !!! Unaffordable and inefficient are two words that aptly describe them all !!!!!!
@lomgshorts3 yep 100% , the propaganda doesn't work anymore, people that bought them regret their fullish decision and nobody wants to even take it in on trade in
@@patrickmaloney1810 you have to keep em running right? Well then plug in and sit your ass down somewhere and waite! Otherwise in my truck, im out. Money is time and time is money...bye
If electric cars and trucks were really viable, they would have evolved from 60 or 70 years ago and become common today. The basic technology was available, even back then. Same as any other product, like refrigerators. Refrigerators came to replace iceboxes because they were a practical, viable alternative to iceboxes. Electric vehicles, if they were practical and viable, would have been the same way
Cant beat a Diesel. They get the job done on time and are reliable. They're inexpensive to operate compared to a Electric Truck. Dont let a Salesman say different. Tesla .. Will say anything to make a Sale.... Anything !
The EPA took the trucking industry down a rabbit hole in 2022. Engine manufacturers did a spectacular job of negating diesel particulate matter in 1998 by increasing fuel injection pressures up from 1500 psi to over 30,000 psi and increasing 😊turbo pressures from less than 10 psi to over 30 psi. The particulate matter problem was solved and engine reliability and fuel economy improved.But, rather than celebrating this engineering achievement, the EPA found a boogeyman to chase; NITROUS OXIDE. This molecule is created in the engines cylinders when there is more oxygen atoms than carbon atoms in the combustion chamber. The EPA decided this was bad. They said that NO2 is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. So, engine companies decided that reducing the air fuel ratio by recirculating exhaust into the engine would solve the problem. DISASTER. This idiotic idea decimated engine lifespan and reliability plus fuel consumption went up by over 20%. Not only that, but the engine’s particulate problem was back. To counter that, in 2007 diesel particulate filters were added to the exhaust systems. More trouble. To try to mitigate plugging problems in the DPF, they added DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID! Now they had engines that were highly unreliable, used over 20% more fuel and cost over 30% more to buy. All of this to conquer a molecule that is absolutely necessary for plant growth. It is produced in nature by lightning in volumes that dwarf the amount that could be man made. The idea that it is a greenhouse gas with any effect on the climate is hilarious when you consider that it exists in the atmosphere at 300 parts per BILLION! These policies from the EPA have bankrupted countless trucking companies, contributed to inflation and wasted human capital. Hopefully, the Supreme Court’s Chevron decision is used to clip the wings of the maniacs at the EPA.
@ patkaupp2161: Absolutely correct, and I would point out that one of the biggest truck engine manufacturers, Caterpillar stopped production of their 3406E, arguably one of the best engines ever built, all because of the EPA’s meddling.
@@aerialcat1 Probably none of you have a family member with pulmonary cancer, even never smoked... But the time has not ended! After that, you can be very proud of your success...!
In the 1960 there were old fashioned Leaf acid battery trucks run by United Parcel Service and milk delivery out- fits in New York City. Cascade Laundry service (served hotels & Restaurants) used also. These vehicles largely from 1920s so 40+ years old. These short distance roles that were served by antique vehicles into 60s. Also tradesman's trucks, ie plumbers, painters, handy men, electricians trucks see under 40 miles a day, and would be usable in 1shift service as plenty of charge time overnight. Local, in town or county MOVING VAN duty also in range limitations. Agree 100% for heavy cargo & 0ver-The-Road usage roles electric is NG
As a retired trucker, I approve your vid!! (and I really, early on, hoped for electric vehicles to succeed!! I wanted to spend my retirement tooling across America, QUIETLY & PEACEFULLY!!!!!) BUT!! HONESTLY, they simply are not successful, cars/p.u./big rigs, Alll. NOT ONLY UNSUCCESSFUL, they are more harmful to environment & productivity. And, I don't see much chance of a successful future. IMO. TY!
Another problem never discussed with electric vehicles, cars and trucks, is what do you do with several hours of charging time, on your hands? You have to sit around and play with your cellphone, or at best, watch TV and drink coffee, what gets mighty boring. And where do you go, to sit and wait?
Canada here......Check out edison motors they are building a hybrid logging truck that is lighter than a regular truck It goes up the hills empty and comes down with a load of logs where the kinetic energy recharges the batteries and they Calculate that it will get up to fifty percent more fuel economy. Not only do they build a truck from the ground up, but they've also done retrofits on older trucks that date back into the 60s.
NOPE. Have a mdl. 3 for 5 yrs now. All ice are JUNK!! Even Toys. Marine Fighter jet guy out. I' had them all. Thats my experience. Million mi. Mdl S batteries still at 80 % & good for powering up a med size home/solar.
Electric vehicles are a fantasy. Whoever thinks that this is the future in trucking has never ever stepped one foot in a truck cab. I had a fire that destroyed my garage. What happened was a small fire started by a spark from welding that hit a combustible fluid and spread before I could handle it. Anyways, the fire spread to the toolbox very rapidly and I had lithium ion batteries for power tools in there probably like 10 or 12 batteries and the flames spread to these batteries and the batteries caused the fire to burn hotter and hotter. They fed the fire. It took fire fighters 3 times as long to put this fire out due to the batteries. This scared me even to this day. After the fire, I had to replace my tools, so I invested in an engine driven air compressor and all my power tools are pneumatic (air) more powerful, no recharge time, cheaper. 90 dollars for an impact vs 300 dollars for electric impact. The money I have saved has payed the air compressors large cost. I either use air or I’ll use the old school tried and true mechanical hand tools. Electric trucks are a stupid stupid idea. Made by lawmakers who are only thinking about their own pockets. California needs to be banned from the United States and become their own damn country as they are ruining the whole country with their dumbass policies and ideas. This is America not communist china. With California here, it is communism.
The worldwide plan of the private Central Bank. Create a one world government organizer being the W. E F. They will front for the private Central Bank by destroying countries' economies so that they go bankrupt with the reserve bank. Remember, the reserve bank is owned by the private Central Bank. The country's reserve bank forecloses on the country and takes it over, and thus, it becomes a private Central Bank owned commodity and becomes part of the one world government. Trudeau was trained in this subversion and is doing his part in Canada. Freeland is exactly where she needs to be to destroy Canada's economy by being the Finance Minister. They are not poor or clutzy leaders of Canada. They are great leaders for the one world private Central Bank owned Communist government.
Forcing is always bad, no need anyway. Pepsi claims to save $200k over 3 yrs for each Tesla they run. And none of their drivers want to go back to weak crappy diesels.
@@Mrbfgray I'm sure they're not lying to protect their massive investment in a failing technology. No way a huge corporation would lie. Just like you can't lie on the internet. It's a law or something.
Put all the efforts in developing a 100% environmental friendly DIESEL instead, ev's will never be able to outrun the diesels in the reality and we all know it.
It’s a great idea for California. They should convert 100% to electric trucks by 2030 and report back to the rest of the country on how well the conversion was for them.
@@toddmichael4271 That doesn't work. We long haul truckers have to drive in CA, too, and we have to have fuel, too. It doesn't affect just California politicians and liberal voters.
I happen to know about a deal struck between a major university and a major beverage company. The beverage company bought an electric truck. They would run their route, saving the university for last. Then, they would charge the truck at the university and return home. They can't seem to get the charging right at the university, so instead of using an ICE delivery truck, they are still using the electric truck, but they have a standing order for a commercial wrecker to tow the truck home every day. Because, you know, THAT will save fuel and therefore, the planet!!! The jokes write themselves!!! 😂
The joke in Australia is in the Nullarbor, diesel has to be trucked to the roadhouse to run generators for mains power and the EV charging point. There are solar panels though, not sure what percentage is solar vs diesel. This might be a PoC with the idea that more solar panels are deployed over time.
I still say liquid propane or CNG might be a better alternative; little to no range anxiety, cleaner than Diesel, can be refueled in minutes and can be extinguished easier if it catches.
Sadly CNG\LPG have a good bit less thermal energy available per unit of weight. I work with propane and diesel forklifts daily. The propane lifts have less power, and can only be used inside on a flat floor. The diesel lifts of the same engine size can go anywhere on the 7 acre property, including the gravel lot which is nowhere near flat without issues. All of our lifts are Toyota.
The damage done to the Earth just to mine resources for making a battery is criminal. This is before they even start to make a truck that doesn't work well in real world situations.
Check your facts read the tesla impact report with an avalanche of facts! Even Trump is now believing in Musk! If you are a democrat remember Joh F Kennedy ‘ you can fool some people all the time and fool all the people for sone time but you cannot fool all the people all the time : all evidence is on the side of the electric revolution and so many more innovations are coming you ain’t seen nothing yet. Be critical do your own research do not stay in your own bubble.. I am Dutch speak 4 languages I look at all the evidence eg in Germany known for its technological 2:43 prowess . They are in panic mode because they know they have to change gast the Chinese are out performing all Ice car manufacturers. Thank God for Tesla the most American car producer on the planet
@@jakefriesenjake …..EVERYTHING they do is for population control. Less population, more $ for them. More electricity, more control for them. If we don’t comply, they push a button and nothing we have works.
I think that this countries politicians need to pull their heads out of an anatomical feature that can not be named on here. Then they would understand that EVs are not GREEN!.
North America has vast amounts of mineable lithium and rare earth minerals. If BEV technology is so green why does no government in the western world permit the mining of rare earths and lithium?
EVs and hydrogen without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Diesel electric IS a hybrid !!! Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety. Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs or hydrogen but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change with BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVEN TECHNOLOGY
@@enterprisencc1701zeven if thete was a charging station on every street corner it's still a 30 to 45 minute wait for an 80% charge. It's another 30 to 45 minutes to get a 100% charge. They can keep them.
It's a strong hell no until the batteries are 100% different, and electric grid redundancies in capacity are MASSIVE. Damn shame too, I was starry eyed (ignorant) on this topic years ago, hoping they could actually be viable. Maybe in 2060.
Nope, they tried that Idea back in the Early 1900's in Chicago with a few Battery Powered Trucks and they Failed Miserably, they have One in the Iowa 80 Truck Stop Museum and it's Ugly as can be too.
These problems apply to all EVs. The non-green nature of their supposedly green credentials is something the ev makers don't admit because they know it will hit their sales.
With all that downtime for electric trucks, that'd mean more time with lot lizards. Considering how very little they contribute to the economy, that's just yet another financial burden to factor in.
I wouldn't operate one, radiation hazard for hours a day. What if petroleum isn't limited as Rockefeller promoted to make his wealth? How much petroleum is used to charge these EV trucks?
Hmm now in addition to what you have just stated it needs a lot more research into running these trucks if only for how this is going to affect the power grid supply to other energy users such as the normal demands of family households. I suspect the amount of power required to charge these wretched vehicles would be such a drain on the grid which is going to affect when one has access to enough power to one's home, and the inevitable hike in power costs this whole situation is going to cause.
If you have seen the restricted electricity usage and rolling blackouts in California the last few years, that is what is coming to the rest of the states as coal and natural gas power plants are closed, and electric power demands are raised with the use of EV's, as well as normal growth.
Correction on weights. I’m familiar with local hauling, day cab 3 axles and walking floor trailers in the feed industry. The local RUAN branch hauls milk from the dairies to the creameries in our area. I buy a lot of trucks from them for my operation. The “usual” 3 axle day cab Freightliner Cascadia with a DD13, 12 speed auto shift, and 22.5 duals weighs in about 17,000 lbs. They brought in an electric day cab Cascadia, same length,tire size, etc. and it tipped the scales a little over 24,000 lbs. 7,000 lbs heavier Here in Californiastanico, we can legal 80,000 with diesel, 82,000 with electric or natural gas. In the feed and milk business, we run as close to max as possible since we are both paid by the ton. So best case is 5,000 lbs less per trip. But the electric was only rated for 200-250 miles per charge “to be safe”. We regularly do 300-350 a day. So not only do you get less net weight hauled, you get less loads per day.
As a trucker, I can tell you these things will never be used. We can barely find places to park, let alone have hours upon hours every day to charge batteries. There is no way to opt idle so we have heat and ac during the night without running the engine. Also the weight of the batteries will limit how much you can haul. It's just not going to work.
@@kennethyoung2077I am afraid that would increase operation costs terribly. A larger number of trucks would be required, as well as staff to do the charging. One positive action that could be done by the DOT would be to change "hours on duty, not driving" logging to "off duty" when charging the battery of a commercial truck. It could replace the "30 minute" required break time. This, of course, would only be if the driver can walk away from the truck during the charging. Which I do not know is possible.
...and all of this nonsense costs will be passed onto the consumers... $20 for one egg, $50 for a loaf of bread... Commiefornia is heading for a pre stone age society...
It is not Safe, not cost Effective, the Tesla Big Rig's Broke down at between 5,000 to 6,000 miles. An Electric Car Burns between 7 hours ( Hybrid ) to 3 to 5 Days for EV's these thing have 10 times the Batteries 10 x 5 = 50 days ( possibly ). Almost 2 months
Electric trucking in the mountains could be a disaster. Pulling a heavy load up a long climb may cause some serious problems. I know there is a 13 mile climb in British Columbia Canada and truckers with a heavy load can only go 5 to 10 miles an hour in their low gear. Could the battery handle that kind of heavy drain for 13 miles?
I used to be an OTR driver. Sitting at docks for hours at shippers and receivers was bad enough. I can't imagine sitting at charging stations for hours having precious driving time taken away from you. And what will it do to the pay per mile system?
People who think EV's are "environmentally friendly" don't consider anything other than the tailpipe emissions. They NEVER consider the impact of the EV's total life cycle.
The roads are already built for most trucks weighing in at 80,000 pounds. The bigger trucks pay more including permits. There are weight limits. Battery trucks just won't be able to carry as much, which brings food prices up
@@jakefriesenjakeBut the federal government is upping the gross for an EV trying to even out the discrepancy of the amount of bet, or freight amount hauled. That increase of gross will lead to more highway wear.
1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Some people get extreme range anxiety 3. Much higher risk of garage fires...... 4. Paying $15k to $20k more than a comparable vehicle.. 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance from the battery in the cold, on the highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms. 10. Higher insurance rates. The UK is a great example. 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot, if you use it in cars that have that feature. 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.
There's more.... ; 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage..... 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better, but... The state of new Jersey will have a new annual road tax for Ev buyers, starting July 1st, 2024. The fee starts at $250 in July and will increase by $10 until 2028, when it reaches $290. EV buyers in the state will also have to pay four years of registration fees upfront, making it significantly more expensive to purchase a new electric model. Other states also have their own way of collecting money. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat, which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge cargo ship, the whole cargo ship sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and ok, some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the fuse or breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of "slow" chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. 50. BMW i5 Ev cars and some similar models of BMW protect their battery life. If you DC "fast" charge to many times, a message pops up saying that you must wait 2 days to "fast DC charge" again. This protects your battery. Some say that you can DC fast charge, but at a reduced rate, and some say that the alarm resets once you ac charge 1 time. 51. With the promise of "better, cheaper battery technology", many people are waiting for that technology to arrive... (allegedly). That is pushing down the price of current Ev sales. This also pushes down price of the used Ev market. When Tesla continually cut down the price of new ev's, to artificially stoke demand, it also pushes down the price of all used ev's as well. 52. Right now, the cost of throwing out or recycling your Ev Battery is $zero. One day, I'll imagine that there will be a heavy fee to get rid of your battery (allegedly). 53. Regular ice cars almost never burst into flames, by themselves, while not being used, while ev's tend to burst into uncontrollable flames by themselves, with the owner nowhere to be found. 54. Some, if not most, "battery powered" firetrucks also include a diesel engine, for when the "tuff" gets going. So not only does the main battery get charged up on the grid, where "fossil fuels" get burnt to produce electricity, when the batteries go flat, "fossil fuels" are there again, to save the day. 55. Your Ev car, while on the charger, will eventually be used to stabilize the "grid". Energy will be flowed, or sucked, from your car, back to the grid. This will prevent brown or black outs, but could leave your battery drained in the morning. *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt.
Canada here......Check out edison motors they are building a hybrid logging truck that is lighter than a regular truck It goes up the hills empty and comes down with a load of logs where the kinetic energy recharges the batteries and they Calculate that it will get up to fifty percent more fuel economy. Not only do they build a truck from the ground up, but they've also done retrofits on older trucks that date back into the 60s.
In Australia's outback there are in excess of 100 tonne Road Trains consisting of a Prime Mover and three or four trailers operating in the outback in the heat and dust and rains in areas hundreds of miles from towns ,,,, with no charging stations,,, Good luck trying to operate electric trucks!!🇦🇺👍🇦🇺
Electric trucks have been used for local draft for centuries. Say, here's an idea: get the government out of pushing contextual frauds to justify forcibly picking winners and losers to ensure the relevance and wealth of the aligned. Encourage companies and individuals to invest in modes with superior overall effectiveness/performance that is immediately beneficial to their bottom lines. It is possible, but we must get the government out of the way.
You forgot to mention, or I missed it, the temperature issue. What happens come winter and the freezing temps? You thought range anxiety was already a problem? Well drop that range 20-40% when the temps hit 0degC...
Winter temperatures in Canada often exceed -40 degrees, not factoring wind chill. Charging stations for trucks are non-existent virtually everywhere in the country. I see zero benefit in electric trucks, and cars for that matter. The whole "climate emergency" garbage is the biggest scam ever perpetrated. Indeed the rich get richer. So sick and tired of the b.s.
We are several technical generations away from a viable electric truck. Currently the electric truck industry is like automotive industry in the 1920-1930s, we have a long way to go. The battery chemistry is several generations away. We will develop different battery chemistries and technologies before discovering a viable answer.
This is what I’ve been saying all this time! We in trucking were never consulted or asked what we think about it, they (the government) just went ahead and pulled the trigger and then told us to comply. Ask “Boy Bundler” Buttijudge how many charging stations are built with the $8 Billion dollars, I’ll tell you 8, yes EIGHT!
I am amazed. All the things that have been mentioned, EV car owners know and have experienced these short coming. So why would a transport company consider such a purchase. It is about time we ALL tell our governments the EV doesn’t work at this time . We are not going to change. It is called mutiny that is what happens when the Captain looses the plot.
