The Shocking Truth about Cheating in College 

I was also going to comment this. In a world of pure Academia, I'd rather fail and be able to learn from my mistakes. In the real world though, I'd rather cheat than pay another $2000

@@xanol2780 Mistype? " I'd rather cheat THEN pay another $2000"; So you'd rather cheat AND pay another $2000?

@@nabl8397 you were right

sadly, the world nowadays is quite the opposite, where fake it till u make it mentality works. Be confident in what you don't know and go far places lol

Especially since a lot of classes are only offered once a year. Right now, if I fail the class I'm in, it's going to push back my graduation a year, which effectively costs me like $75k from loss income since I have to push back working.

“🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓”

What a stupid quote lol. You want to learn? Watch a video or buy a course for $20 online. People don't pay $100k+ to universities because they want to learn, they do it so they can get a degree that will get them a better job. Grades measure applied knowledge. The purpose of universities is to measure your performance to determine if you deserve a degree - it's not learning for the sake of learning. Students cheat because they know they haven't learned the material and they are lacking integrity. It's students that care more about grades, not the school system lol.

Fax

It's also because they weren't raised right, let's not exempt everyone from personal responsibility

@@Celeritate7 not so much that werent raised right or not, as other comment said, sometimes cheating is the only solution because the teacher cant teach for shit, and thousands of dollars are on the line, personally never done it, but i understand it, not a lot of people can afford to lose so much money and then pay again for the same course

unfortunately in the US at least this will never be possible until a single class doesnt cost thousands of dollars. They handle this issue a lot better in europe. Since an entire semester costs anywhere from $400 to actually paying you a stipend, failing isnt the end of the world. Conversely a lot more people fail their classes. (it doesn’t matter as much though bc they can always take it again, as many times as it takes)

You do this by making college free

As Aspenshadow says, do it by making college free. Parents are mostly just annoyed that they have to pay for you to retake a class.

This indeed. In the closest friend circle we discussed and came to the conclusion that it is simply not worth it to be honest and fail the class. The cascading pre-requisites and once-a-year offering makes deferring graduation a certainty. The other side of it is also just to level the playing field during online exams.

@@aspenshadow7920 free college wouldn’t fix it. People are always gonna cheat it’s in our nature to find an upper hand. You can see this in elementary school kids who don’t think about money at all will still cheat. We just use the price of school as a way justify it in our own minds on why we are cheating because we know it’s wrong but people are still going to do it

America is so fucked dude.

as a working adult returning to academia for self enrichment I 100% agree with this.

Bro 7k is outrageous😭💀💀

One could also learn by doing their best in the class from the very beginning. I learned this weird trick after "failing" two required math courses with Ds and having to retake them. So much of the "I can understand why some students cheat" narrative skips over the part where you put the work in and never have to consider the retake cost and GPA hit.

Bro this has been my theory for so long. Every year people chegg all the assignments and the professor just makes them longer and harder until 10 years later it’s impossible to do without chegg within that time frame. Budget cuts too cut down class time by 5min one year, 5min the next and then the prof is rushing through 90min of material in 75min and none of us learn shit. Then they wonder why the median test grade is a 42%😒

It's always fun when someone asks the professor to go over a homework questions and the explanation/ them actually going through it ends up taking upwards of an hour just for that one problem... One problem out of the 27 that were assigned that week... not to mention the other 50 in total that have to be done for the rest of your classes

Get caught-there are consequences. Try cheating taking a proctored math exam. You will get caught. I can guarantee it.

Maybe the time and place was different (Illinois, mid-1980s) and maybe I was just a sweet summer child, but went through four years of engineering school without cheating. Not once. Not on quizzes, not on lab reports, not on hourly exams, not on term papers, not on final exams. And I just didn't see it with any of my fellow engineering students. The sad part is that in a field like engineering, cheating is pointless. If you don't actually know your "do-re-mis", nobody is going to be fooled.

Wish there was a superlike button for this comment

Well testing if the student is able to solve a question about something that was not covered explicitly in class is a great way to test whether the student understands the subject well or not. Especially in math, just being able to solve ”standard” problems doesn’t barely says anything about your understanding of the subject.

@@kilian8250 the trick question is typically something that was never covered anywhere by anyone and should be illegal but for some reason that has nothing to do with education or information transferal is allowed by people who don't comprehend the requirements of real education. They're just in it for the $$.

@@kilian8250 that’s not what the guy is saying. He’s basically saying for example if your test is on partial derivatives and there are 3 questions on surface integrals that’s unfair because you haven’t even learned those yet.

A RU-vid Channel that depends on how the question is phrased

@@Themathosphere When does this happen though? Seems like fiction to be honest. I remember that only the lowest achievers in highschool and college would say this.

💯 couldn’t agree more. At some point you almost gotta be dumb to not cheat when it comes to taking some random course that bears absolutely no relevance to your major/discipline. Is it really worth forfeiting all that time for studying complete nonsense when you could otherwise be creating genuine social experiences and doing things you actually wanted to do during your 20s? Now obviously if it’s something related/important towards your major, then buckle up and hit the library cause you’re gonna need it

That and I never fully understood why certain things are considered cheating. I'm an aircraft software engineer and I couldn't imagine a scenario where my boss would come to me and go, "if I catch you looking up library references or approaching colleagues how they solved a similar issue then you are FIRED and I'll make sure ever getting a job again will be nearly impossible!" But in academia, referencing formula or events is considered a mortal sin. If a question on a test can be answered simply because a student is allowed to reference something then that is a poorly written test.

Professors and people against cheating live in a fantasy world where the academic system doesn't heavily penalize failure.

This is 100% true.

yes king

Thank you so much for this comment!!

"if you are good enough to plagiarize without getting caught by your professor, you are basically paraphrasing well, so you may as well add the proper citations and not take any risk" very good point

Excellent reply. Structuring the class to ramp students up to more difficult assignments, providing support, even some forgiveness, what novel ideas! Much more likely to see this done at the K-12 level. I guess there is a feeling in some profs at the university level that a need for rigor and the supposed greater intellectual maturity of students requires a more spartan learning environment.

I have memory problems from head trauma and have trouble recalling definitions and formulas with access to a formulas sheet I'm able to get things done. So it also tries to prevent those with a disability that with a reasonable accommodation could have passed.

I have the same, worse in the past. I had an accident which resulted in my head injury: a fractured skull and torn scalp. I almost died within few minutes after the accident. A quick prayer saved my life. For months after the accident, I was little wobbly as my sense of coordination was impaired, but luckily that was only temporary. I am fine now. I am though very forgetful. I keep study diaries and digital scrapbooks for triggering off my memories.

The playing field is not even. Paying for a tutor makes the field even more uneven (and it can be a HUGE help.) Test prep is specifically about giving you an advantage in tests - not learning - and it is about as close to the definition of cheating as you can get. But there is no baseline for an even playing field, sometimes that playing field is test prep.

I 100% agree with this comment. I got a job out of college as an engineer after cheating through college (never on exams, as I was too nervous, only looking up solutions on hw when I needed too) and my boss told me," this is not like school, get the answer however you need too". So my Google skills came in handy lol

I had a professor who taught discrete maths and linear algebra in a different format/notation and made the exams so hard, but he allowed the class to consult anyone. For instance all proofs were to be written symbolically with very few English words. Given his strictness on a notation that is uncommon elsewhere, I feel it was a good balance as it forces the class to work with each other rather than go to outside sources. On the job in the real world, one may not be expected to Google every last little thing but still have an idea of what's going on and working with your peers on projects.

Doesn’t homework usually fill the same role? In my experience the homework usually gives some extra points for the final exam, and collaboration is encouraged.

​@@kilian8250 Yes for sure. Consider that after spending 12+ years in a school system where collaboration isn't encouraged, and when you are in grade/middle/high school you can't just have people over to study without parents involved. University has a lot of resources that are underused (like study rooms for classes) so it's also part of the math department encouraging students to use the spaces and resources they offer.

Wow the “lost your test” strategy is crazy, I’ve never heard of that one! I agree with you about homework. Personally I think it’s best if one assumes that students will work together on all take home type things. Working together is also a very good skill that I think college students can get better at and this encourages that.

Damn sir you can make videos on how to be a good teacher your experience is awesome

Wow… Just wow. This situation sounds like a movie. You must be an incredibly patient teacher. Edit: Apparently my mom did something similar in a high school English class🙃

@@TheMathSorcerer in my nonlinear dynamics and chaos theory class we were encouraged to work together on all assignments. The rule was that if you worked together with others you needed to write the names of the people you worked with on the work you turned in. I actually kinda liked this because it was interesting to see how different math perspectives can work together to solve problems.

@@TheMathSorcerer But don't you think that a group work should not be a prerequisite? For me it is impossible to think in a group. It simply distracts me,actually it is a kind of a torture.

You are absolutely right. My teacher was out in 8th grade for the whole year on medical leave. I was in an honors class and the subs gave us 100’s for doing nothing all year and let us play games on the computer. The next year I was in honors geometry and then halfway through the year we got sent home for covid and I didn’t learn anything, and had to get a tutor to try and figure out what I was doing wrong since we didn’t need to have like online meetings or anything that year. Then the next year I was in honors algebra 2 and wasn’t able to see my tutor because of quarantine, so I didn’t know algebra 1 or geometry and the teacher never took the time to explain it to me, and if I failed I wouldn’t graduate on time (you needed 4 years of math and english, and 3 of history and science). So I wasn’t learning anything, nobody at the school was helping me, not the teacher, not the guidance counselor, not even my third party tutor. So I went out of my way to teach myself algebra 1, algebra 2 and geometry all at the same time, but couldn’t learn it in time for the end of the year, forcing me to cheat if I wanted to graduate, getting me stuck in honor precalculus and trigonometry in the following year. If the school didn’t judge me based on a grade I wouldn’t have needed to cheat, and now I know that when I get to graduate that diploma is going to feel meaningless because I know I didn’t deserve it, and none of my classmates, none of my teacher could help me because they’d be helping me cheat. The education system can and will leave you behind extremely fast and then punish you for it, and the only way to stay ahead of the curve is either to base your mentality around engaging with it and value getting good grades, to be naturally good at it or understand it naturally, and if you get left behind then you’re pretty much screwed unless you cheat, because your school isn’t going to take the time to help you out. And then if you get caught you’re punished for it, and if you don’t cheat and you start failing, they force you to come in on weekends and during the summer and make it all up, meaning they’re allowed to invade what little personal time you actually have compared to the time you spend at school. It’s ridiculous and if you say anything about it you get punished. My education experience has led me to not trust school, to have no interest in it, and has done nothing but show me that worst side of, and make me distrust organizations that claim to help or educate. I have no interest in ever continuing my schooling or engaging with the education system again, and once I graduate I’m done

Very eye opening comment, it's almost as if all this was tucked in the back of my brain for a long time

I agree with you personally, but I will play the devil’s advocate a little. Without competition or looking at a student’s grade what’s the alternative? Do we just let everyone have scholarships and jobs even though they’re incompetent? These resources are quite limited. And if grades weren’t important, how would we make students have an incentive to take their education seriously? In theory, in a perfect world, the student would just focus on learning with a passion rather than having a good grade, but let’s not kid ourselves, an immature middle or high schooler when told their grades don’t matter would not take this opportunity to become self motivated and study, instead they would just procrastinate and play games with learning on the bottom of their priority list. Then things fall into anarchy because the system is not built around incentives but some lofty ideal that is just not meant for flawed, greedy, humans to follow. So I do see the problem with the education system but I honestly don’t see any other reasonable alternative that doesn’t have competition and doesn’t have grades.

Interesting thread

@@adriantsai3542 Competition and effort should be incentivized, but I just think the current grading system is the wrong way to do it. A grade never measures how smart you are, it just measures your ability to repeat what a teacher has told you. Like you said, giving everyone a scholarship is a bad thing because the people who do work hard end up with the same outcome as the people who don’t try, meaning there’s no reason to put any effort in. Maybe if schools graded you based on your willingness to learn, like how you engage in class, rather than your ability to memorize a topic, then it would be a little better, but I still don’t know how anyone could come up with a consistently fair grading system that doesn’t leave people behind while still encouraging you to try. I know I really don’t have an answer and I don’t think anyone does

Most my professors allowed printing and so you get a bunch of people with tiny fonts. The best part of the cheat sheet system is the process of making them is essentially studying and you end up rarely having to look at the sheet. The people who copied or used a friend's sheet end up running out of time because they spend too long looking for the answers.

@@stesit Absolutely. Combing through the material, deciding what I should write down vs. what I already know, then grouping that together in a meaningful way ended up being my go-to studying technique. Even for exams where I wasn't allowed to bring it in, just the process of making it helped a lot with learning.

I think a lot of tests should be open notes. One of my CompSci professors was like "in the real world, you have google, you have your notes, your co-workers, if your boss tells you to code something and you need help, you can get it...why should my class be different?" he countered this by saying his time limit on tests were shorter then other classes. So if you expected to just be able to research every question you'd be in for a bad time. And he was right you still had to know the content. But those notes I used them for things that I just had a hard time with. So I'd have questions I knew like the back of my hand I answer those real fast. Then the hard questions, I look at my notes.

For real man

As a manager in a STEM field business, I actually think cheat sheets are very necessary and mirror effective actual scientific work. Understanding scientific concepts is fundamentally and absolutely crucial; however, when money and project progress is on the line, cheat sheets (so to speak) are critical to make sure everything gets done right because only a superhuman or someone who has put in 10,000 hours could digest and then apply referenced information.

And this is why cheating will probably forever more be a problem. The punishment for failing is functionally equivalent to the punishment for cheating, so logically speaking there is no reason not to at least try to get away with it because you generally either end up SOL like you already were, or you get a chance to stay in the game.

This is what a part of my college experience was like. I was always overly anxious about turning some of my comp sci projects. Now that I’ve graduated and got my degree. I’m actually improving much much faster while working. To me, college was a checklist item. I’ve learned everything I wanted on my own

Youre allowed to cheat ONLY when they make you pull an all nighter.

Same! 😅 Learning takes the same or less amount of work anyway!

Some people don't get anxious and can do stuff way more riskier than cheating without sweating in the least.

Also by the time you to jot down the formulas you could have memorised half of them

Yeah is much better.

I am still super anxious and I get good grades and don't even cheat. :(

The real world is full of cheating and deception.

An engineering college I was in had (and probably still does have) a cheating pipeline. Students passing down old tests/homeworks. The tests and homework were very challenging for me, and I wondered how everyone had so much free time to join clubs and have a social life while I would spend hours upon hours working on things. The ones who cheated on the tests got excellent grades and internships based on their grades and club roles. I gave it my all and most of these same companies wouldn't even interview me for an internship (I came into the college with a bad overall gpa to be fair). I guess I'm just venting, but you're right it does hurt the other students a lot. I felt like I had to works five times as hard to get the same grade just because they knew someone who had an old homework/test, and not getting the same end results like internship and job offers as they did really hurt (that's not to say I objectively deserved anything).

This is true, in a way. The students that cheat their way through university will have a much more difficult time proving their competence to future employers. That's what I realized after I graduated.

Just like pro sports

@@TheGhoulian work smart, not harder

Yeah without those notes it also forces disabled students to consider cheating as well, due to having certain disabilities affecting attention span and working memory. Which is why I think a lot of current testing system's are inherently unethical and just favours those with good memories vs those who engage well with the content and can work independently or with teams to create solutions to problems that may exist in their field of study.

​@@ecos889 The way I see it, if a "normal" student is allowed to use a calculator, then by the same logic, a cognitively disabled student should be allowed to use their own notes. After all, the calculator *is* an accommodation. We don't just tell students to "git gud" at arithmetic. We could, but we don't. Why is that?

I've had one engineering class before and the professor, who was a PhD in Engineering education took this approach to assignments. Open book, open note, calculator, and he drew the line at technology. He wanted us to have every resource available to us to solve problems since he went with the mindset that no employer will tie a hand behind your back on the jobsite and that we are meant to be using our brains to pass assessments (not exams, assessments, he hates the word exams), not our memories. Our brains are a processing device, not a storage device. And the assessments themselves were scaled in complexity and challenge to fit the amount of resources we had available to us.

Damn bro I just want you to know I hear you. I had failed out of uni basically too at 19. I’m back in school now and I’m doing well. You have to take advantage of university! I hope you can go back brother ❤

@@goddaniel9478 I'm back one class a time baby!

Wow I cannot believe people are thumbs upping this. I probably took double the classes this guy took every semester and never once cheated. I got a dual degree in math/cs (not double major, I actually had to get all the credits for both degrees). I also took all the classes for a physics degree. 15 credits is considered normal. I had to fill out a form to be allowed to take 30 per semester. You never have to cheat. I took extra graduate and honors classes. I did an undergraduate thesis on top of all this. I also did martial arts, had a girlfriend, had a radio show, was in a fraternity, was in the orchestra, volunteered, I had to work to make ends meet (usually 2 jobs), etc. This is the worst excuse nonsense I've ever seen on the internet. You don't need to cheat to remain afloat even if you double a full schedule and have tons of extra curriculars.

@@InfiniteQuest86 good for you dude. You did the most so you win.

@@InfiniteQuest86 you should be content and proud of your own life. Rather than knock down your neighbor. You worked hard, good job bro 👍🏾

@@InfiniteQuest86 I’d feel like a fake if I’d cheated. Each to their own but I would never hire someone who cheated.

@@InfiniteQuest86 wow we’re all real impressed

Or work smart and not hard. Doing things the hard way just for the sake of it is stupid as well. I used to cheat on my tests. It made me be innovative. IMO just brunt memorization is a stupid way to learn and is not practical in real life. I know in college with some assignments you weren't supposed to work with other people on the homework. I mean what is that teaching people? A group of friends would still get together and work on it. That teaches collaboration and being helpful. Technically we were cheating....

Interesting, never thought of it that way. I have an autistic brother with severe autism and I'm just curious, how 'bad' is your autism? (what %)

​@@alexhenson I don't believe you were trying to be hurtful so the following is intended to be helpful, but never say this to an autistic person. First, autism does not exist on a linear spectrum of severity. Autism is a variation from the common structural development of the brain and is n-dimensional in how it can manifest. This is why attempts to categorize subtypes have been largely abandoned: any support required by a given autistic person is generally unique to that individual. Second, autism is a variation, not an affliction, and most autistic people (ie most of the ~70-75% of autistic people who use identity-first language) take offense at implications and/or assertions that there is something wrong with their brain. Many comorbidities commonly associated with being autistic (eg alexithymia, sensory dysfunction, etc) are also seen in non-autistic people. Additionally, both the ways in which these comorbidities can manifest and the extent to which the individual is affected by them vary wildly and often by day, situation, moment, etc. Finally, in regards to my initial comment, my autism only impairs me socially; my ADHD and depression are overwhelmingly more disabling for me and are both far more common among the general population.

I forgot to include this in the "autism is a variation" paragraph, but a common analogy is comparing Linux (autistic people) and Windows (neurotypical people). Neurotypical brains are full of bugs and NT people make countless cognitive errors every day, not because there is anything wrong with their brains, but because thats just how their brains work. Linux and Windows are both full of bugs and quirks that are fundamental to their design. Comorbidities aside, autistic brains work fine, they just have different bugs. A weird irony Ive personally experienced, especially given how common it is for NT people to miscommunicate, is that every workplace training Ive attended on effective communication essentially teaches skills and habits that are natural for many autistic people (eg how to consider factors which might influence the disposition of the listener, how language youre familiar with could mean something completely different to others, etc).

This entirely. I had a head injury and had to take a few years away from college, and in that time my mental health deteriorated. Not to woe is me, but to say I completely understand where you're coming from. While the level playing field is completely fine in theory, some of us are immediately starting with a handicap. If our memory is fuzzy or we can't recall something in the real world we are encouraged to use a reference, but in academia it's considered a sin. It doesn't really have any relation to real life in that way, nor is it a level playing field so what exact is the use of this nature of testing? It seems like a hindrance specifically made for neurodivergent people to overcome, if it's even possible.

Lets say we have a doctor. This doctor still often looks up diagnosis'. This doctor is not the same as you looking up diagnosis'. Why? How is it that you're most likely to misdiagnose yourself but the doctor isn't if you have the exact same information? Because the doctor actually understands it and is most likely just refreshing their memory... You however are just reading it and have no real understanding or previous experience to draw from. That's why it's cheating. You need to create understanding between concepts and that requires you holding them in your memory.

That is the main problem with this video, his stamens that teachers often know that you are cheating is quite literally not based on facts.

God bless you. You did the right thing.

😂😂😂. Damn bro how did you cheat tho

Good luck!!

@@TheMathSorcerer NAILED IT!

@@osama810 Nice!!!!

How did you do in diff eq's through Math Sorcerers program?

@@ashharkausar413 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0YUgw-VLiak.html he has this playlist. its based on zill diff eq textbook

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I actually reported what went on un my TA work. But I was an undergrad at a college. (We had no grad programs there yet.) You could tell which students I tutored. One year I had 5 nursing chem students who attended every session I did. (I set my schedule to mesh with theirs.) They took notes. I even had this one problem that I told them would probably be an extra credit problem on their final - but with different numbers. It was a pretty good guess because I was right. And I told the professor (Department Chair if the Nursing program) and why. That one problem encompassed every major point covered in the course.) They all got the problem right. They all got A's. But they studied hard. There was no cheating. I know as I quizzed THEM in my sessions, made them tell me how to set up the problems. (Teachers were welcome to come and sit in as well to see how I taught.)

The stakes are too high for anything other than assured success, especially if you're a struggling, poor student who wouldn't be able to afford another semester. I don't condone cheating but I understand the logic behind it and if that logic made sense for a situation I found myself in I would do so without a second thought. If the system didn't punish students for struggling they wouldn't have a need to cheat.

While I'm ranting on the subject: how often do we ask why students cheat? Is it because they didn't want to do the work or is it because they're so ridden with anxiety over the outcome of a test that they're willing to gamble their education on it? Both happen

@@KaiCrafted "neurotypical"

@@Th3EnterNal "yes?"

@@KaiCrafted you mean mentally healthy people.

@@Th3EnterNal I do? Why do I mean that?

Actually when you learn math you are cheating. The experience of the age and the experience of the Professor are something you didn’t earn. You are trying to understand. If it is nothing to you then get you a golden career and be happy with the money. Every teacher has a right to their own classroom and fair rules.

I blame the teachers that give two tests per semester, both worth 45% of your grade. The midterm and the final. One failure and you might as well throw your money down the drain. This system sets students up for failure and severe test anxiety. Symptom of the system in my opinion. I didn’t blame my classmate when I saw him peaking notes during the midterm.

Cheating is pretty much black and white. What possible justification is there for it? (Justification, not rationalization.)

imo needs more nuance, elaborate on the claims made. 5/10 vid

just curious, how do u cheat discretely enough to get away w it consistancy

@@jetkaneshiro1754 Do things that aren't explicitly forbidden or defined as cheating; thing within the gray boundary between cheating and not cheating, that could be an honest miscommunication or misunderstanding. For example, if calculators are allowed on a physics test, you can put notes/equations inside the programs folder on many graphing calculators. Also, it would be difficult for a teacher to notice notes on a tiny calculator screen that you can easily click off of in a couple seconds.

In self-studying programming languages, I have several times copied codes from books only just to learn what codes do. I am always curious about codes. Honest students who knowingly copy codes might just be learning, while students who cheat are not really learning or valuing courses. There are differences between copying for study purpose only and cheating during exams.

That's an awful professor. He knows many students are clueless yet does not give more instructions. This is an inevitability when there is not enough information to do the lab individually. Students will find a way around the system, which is why it's pointless to make stuff tooo hard.

@@dsgarden Some students can’t be bothered.

@@dsgarden that is not what is going on with my professor. The issue here is that software engineering is hard and some students aren't putting in the work required to succeed in this major. During the help sessions, I overhear him helping several students who are basically just starting on the lab despite having a full 3-hour block in class to work on it with direct access to the professor, and also having five extra days to work on it and ask for help before it is due. He is available anytime by email. I've never sent him an email that took him more than an hour to respond to. He has office hours multiple days per week where students can come in and get help. His lab write-ups are multiple pages long with detailed instructions on how to do the labs, and he also holds a 2-hour evening study session the night the Lab is due to give people even more opportunities for help. It's not his fault that software engineering is hard. He tries extremely hard to help students. I've never met a professor who tries harder to help students because he truly knows how difficult his classes are and he does everything he can to help people succeed in them.

@@pinklady7184 I'm not talking about copying for studying purposes. I'm talking about assignments where there is a complicated coding problem to solve and everybody is supposed to solve it their own way. You are meant to spend 5 to 10 hours during the week working on the problem and come up with your own solution to it with help from the professor and other students. When several students turn in almost identical work after having obviously ignored the assignment all week judging by the fact that they still don't understand how to do the beginning of the first step, something fishy is going on.

Exactly. I am a teacher and I only catch people that are bad at cheating. Like if you copy answers that are wrong, dead giveaway. If two bright students that are engaged in my class and work really hard cheat I’ll never know.

When I choose to cheat in classes I don't like I intentionally get problems wrong to not look suspicious.

Yeah you would be amazed. "I didn't know I couldn't bring it in the room. I had it here, but I wasn't using it. Or best, I was texting my mom, not trying to look something up on my phone that isn't allowed to be out." Yeah you chose this test to text your mom. Ok. Knowing you'd get a 0 if you are caught. Ok.

Trying to justify when you get caught is just silly.

Most of my Engineering courses have been the same. Some classes don’t even assign graded hw, just practice problems and if you did them you did very well in the exam

if students didn't cheat so goddam much, they wouldn't have to resort to this

I disagree. I used to 'cheat' on tests. I found interesting and innovative ways to cheat on tests. It did me zero harm. This was years ago before smart phones. Sometimes in the process of creating the cheat, you learned the material anyway. Bottom line is 70-80% of the stuff I learned in college was useless anyway. So doing long term damage? I don't think so for the majority of people. When you work in the real world you have access to what you need for your job (for most jobs anyway). You really think as an engineer you have to memorize everything and you can't look anything up ever? Give me a break....

@@bowhunter8532 100% agree, if you get caught cheating you deserve to be caught

Heavy disagree. People always say cheating hurts the student, but it literally doesn't unless you get caught or need to take a follow-up class that you can't cheat on. I cheat in every class not related to my major. I do not care for the content of the course, but am required to take it for my degree despite it being unrelated to my major. I don't need to cheat for the classes related to my major because I'm interested in them. The other classes are just an obstacle, and I don't care about them enough that I'd rather just cheat so I don't need to pay to take them again if I fail.

@@SirenXD. Yep...I literally remember nothing from all the gen ED courses I had to take in college. They were all worthless.

I'm currently a grad student in English teaching a literature course. I've encountered quite a few instances of plagiarism (which is basically the equivalent in our field to cheating on tests in the sciences), and what really amazes me is how stupid some of the methods are. In online discussions, I've had multiple students copy a previous student's response, run it through a program that substitutes words in the original text for synonyms, and paste the result as their response. To any native English speaker, it is immediately obvious that their response was not written by a human. The fact that so many students use this method suggests to me that they've gotten away with it in the past, which is only possible if no one actually read the writing they turned in - that's the most disheartening part of the whole thing to me.

As a future CS major, what can cs majors do to maximize their learning and succeed? Join the programming team? Go to the library and read programming books? What are some personal tips you can give?

That cheg wave was crazy. I don’t know if people are still using it but over 2020 I’m pretty sure all of American students where on it

Some people just don't do well under pressure. I had a 92 in physics 1. Scored an 88 on the midterm and a 72 on the final. Things change when you're stressed vs when you can do things at your own leisure

@@bluecollar8525 Your idiotic post clearly demonstrates that you've missed the point COMPLETELY. Good luck!

I don't cheat on exam, but I only cheat when I desperately need to pass a subject that I fail before because I didn't finish the project required for that subject on time. Cryptography project is one of the most difficult subject to implement, so I hire people to do it for me and ask to comment on the code. I do the same for some part of my final year project because it'll take very long time for me to figure it out by myself. After that, I study their solution and how they implement it. I understand the code and how they do it but I lack the creativity to do it for short period of time.

@@luqmanhamdan9285 That I wont do, but can understand

@@luqmanhamdan9285 yeah i feel like in certain fields thats not cheating thats just one of the ways to learn. In the end its all relative, its what you get out of it, many of the best coders i know essentially stitch codes from various online place and call it their own, but thats a skill in itself

This could only really apply to public school, where you don't choose your classes.

I completely agree. I firmly believe all student should aim to get as many pts on the homework as possible as there is so much time to do it. So however that gets done is how it gets done. The reworking of the problems and doing extra problems is how one ensures a good grade on the exam

I'm just gonna say that on many of my homeworks where I had had absolutely no idea how to approach a problem, googling a solution and analysing the steps had helped me to solve similar problems and even approach more complex ones

Completely agree to this too. In higher math it's almost impossible to cheat unless you find the textbook answers or something. There are questions that are unsolvable using online calculators and whatever. However, using Desmos and Symbolab has helped me understand the concept and teach myself how to practically do the problem and visualize it, infinitely more than my professor's shitty 10 min 480p lecture.

I fully agree with this.

Facts

That's still cheating and I fully support it

bruh that's what office hours are for

That’s not cheating

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Working definitely makes studying a lot harder. I crawled my way to an accounting degree by taking ONE class at a time while working. Now I'm trying to study for the CPA while working but I don't think it's going so well. The volume of content seems pretty overwhelming. But I haven't tried one of those specialized courses for it yet.

@@theboombody that's tough. I couldn't have hung in their while working. I'm not a fast learner.

If all professors used your logic the world would be a much better place.

Tell this to the kid who picked the wrong major and is now stuck with it because, if he doesn't get the degree, he's in thousands of dollars of student debt with nothing to show for it. Tell this to the kid in the same financial position who likes the major but picked a professor whose teaching style doesn't work with how he learns. Tell this to the desperate and scared kids who use cheating as a last resort. Go on. Tell them they're the problem.

@@aspenshadow7920 The first student needs to strongly consider switching majors because it's far better to find out in college that something isn't for you, than after 5 years at a job you hate. The second kid needs to realize that it is their responsibility to learn, in spite of the teacher. When I was in college I definitely had some teachers that really phoned stuff in, and in that situation you need to buckle down and learn the stuff on your own, adapting the resources that are available to your learning style. As a teacher, I put in tons of time outside of class and labs to help students who were struggling, and help find the learning style that worked for them. But cheating doesn't help you learn at all, which is the whole point. It's not a substitute for learning, it just robs you, and can make things worse. As for the desperate and scared kids, one thing I will say is that most students that I've seen cheat tend to resort to cheating because they did not take the time earlier in the semester to learn and study. It's 80% time management and 20% actual difficulty. Especially with more challenging concepts, you can't cram a semester's worth of knowledge in the night before the final exam, so it's important to put in the time through the semester and really learn your stuff so that when it comes time for exam prep you are just brushing up on stuff and practicing instead of trying to learn it for the first time. Universities have leniency and 3 strike policies for just this sort of situation. It's unlikely a student will get kicked out on their first offense because we try to consider the unique circumstances of each student, and provide a second chance for the student to learn from their mistakes and do better. If you don't want to repeat a course, then you should learn the material covered in that course. It's as simple as that.

@@funtechu Recognize many college students only get to *start* college because of scholarships- most of which only last for 4 years. If those students ever switch majors, they will not be able to get a degree. This renders all of the time they spent at that college effectively wasted, outside of the knowledge they gained that will ultimately be useless to them as they cannot work in their field. Changing major is a privilege of the rich, which is a perspective that as a professor you should already understand given you are surrounded by that. Furthermore, "cheating" requires the exact same skills as studying does, with the only change being in where it is applied. You still need to be able to source and confirm information, you still need to understand the concepts as to why that information works, the only difference is when you obtain the information, being before the test or during it. If you cheat and don't understand why the answer is correct, then you not only will have several incorrect answers due to faulty information, it will also be dead obvious how and from where you cheated. The process of "cheating" is just studying at a different time, which is a powerful tool for people who struggle with rote memorization.

@@lolwutman "Cheating requires the exact same skills as studying does". Uh, no. No it doesn't.

I dont think you should let it get to you like that, i cheated quite a lot back in the day, even classes where i loved the teacher. Its just, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Nothing personal

Could you give an example of a game without an incentive to cheat pls?

@@noobatredstone3001 Rocket league.

@@noobatredstone3001 Because even if you cheat at rocket league, you still need skill.

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Absolutely this. People want to continue learning and find solutions to problems by scouting appropriate resources. To hold students back for the purposes of evaluation is a huge disservice. We need to constantly be learning what's next

The best thing I ever learned in college was how to solve my own darn problems. That means research, something I now do extensively at work instead of rote memorization which will NEVER be a workplace reality. You can't teach this kind of problem solving by throwing homework "problems" at students. Give them a task, tell them to accomplish, congratulations your students are learning to perform research and critical thinking. When I was suffering through mathematics (despite being an engineer I am physically incapable of actually performing all but the simplest calculations by hand) I went to RU-vid to learn how to solve problems, then took it one step further and created a tool to solve the problems for me. To do so I needed to learn how to program which was no small feat but continues to serve me well, and the funny thing is technically this means I cheated on almost all of my homework.

Absolutely agree 9/10 when I had this option I didnt need the sheet but it really helped quell the anxiety and encourage studying

I’ve been reading through the comments pretty disappointed at the cheaters thinking I’d never do it. But your comment has made me think twice, I’m an engineer. There is no way I could take theatre seriously. These majoring and minoring things are really weird in the US. If you want to learn engineering in the U.K. that’s all you are taught. Maths, physics and engineering. If someone suggested taking theatre as well they would probably be carried off in a straight jacket.

@@lesserspottedmugwump.363 I majored in Comp Eng and minored in Applied Math Arts were a core curriculum requirement, meaning every student was required to take them. It is a requirement in most US college degree plans even🫤 I believe my plan had me take four arts classes (theatre appreciation, art appreciation, music appreciation, etc).

@@lesserspottedmugwump.363 I've heard there's a similar thing in France, where all highschool students must pick a major area of study, but must all also pass a philosophy exam at the end of highschool in order to get their baccalaureat.

Did you have to take theater as an engineering student? That’s very strange.

@@kilian8250 Core curriculum required I take a few arts classes minimum, theatre was one

Yes definitely!