The Shocking Truth About the Papacy w/ Steve Ray | Pints with Aquinas Episode  

Matt's channel actually uploads shorter clips of the talk after he releases the whole episode!

@@AnNguyen-kn1tq Yep. what An said. And thanks for the kind words.

Alan Rozario A lot of what was said in this video were actually summaries from his book, UPON THIS ROCK. Everybody should read that book. It has all the footnotes and detailed research that supports all the points made in this video.

@@ST-ov8cm thank you.. I'll check it out

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Am catholic having sabbath friends when we share reading, they come with more questions, I not know wether they are prepared so, but all looks to harsh to me. But even though I give the verse, there interpretation is different and wick, no strong faith, like they reject cross of Jesus, and say we have Idols, yet Jesus died on the cross not new things we produce. And 1 Corinthians 1:18-19,god say cross is my power. But they don't understand. They throw away power of God which is cross. They don't read the Bible though they read but only for competition no humbling in the work of God

Nathan, look into the "Coming Home Network" (Chnetwork.org) as they have hundreds of videos of Protestant (and Othodox) pastors conversions to the Catholic church. Jesus founded one Holy Catholic church and He said, "the gates of hell will not prevail against it." Jesus created one church, not 40,000 denominations. The Catholic church has the succession of Apostles-- where every Bishop can trace his lineage back to the original Apostles thru the laying on of hands --as every Pope is the successor of Peter, whom Jesus declared the rock on which He will build His church. Us 1.3 billion Catholics rejoice for the day you come home to Rome.

Don't believe the likes of Lane Cobble; the early Eastern Fathers held a very different view than Eastern Orthodox do today: Read what the early Eastern Fathers believed about St. Peter and his successors in Rome. www.fisheaters.com/easternfathers.html Does the Orthodox Church predate the Catholic Church? www.catholicbridge.com/orthodox/does-the-orthodox-church-predate-the-catholic-church.php Two Books I would recommend reading: Ending the Byzantine/Greek Schism:(By James Likoudis) circulosemiotico.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/james_likoudis_demetrius_cydones_saint_thomas_bookfi.pdf RUSSIA AND THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH (By Vladimir Soloviev) www.strobertbellarmine.net/books/Solovyev--Russia_Universal_Church.pdf Lastly, Eastern Orthodox deny Purgatory; but what did the early Eastern Fathers have to say? practicalapologetics.blogspot.com/2013/07/early-church-fathers-on-purgatory.html

@@t.l.ciottoli4319 You didn't watch the whole video, did you?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂am sorry for laughing..am laughing at all this you getting..am catholic and I will not pray that you become catholic..I would pray that the holy spirit guides you..Nathan🤗🤗 welcome home

@@t.l.ciottoli4319 Luther was a Catholic monk, too. He studied and left the church for what he thought was a more correct faith. Name specific reasons and points of differences between the two, not the fact that someone left for Orthodoxy. I myself am still recovering from the post Russian Orthodox Communist scars and curses. Can a nation poses and practice the true faith and be taken over by a murderous atheist - communist regime? In the OT, Israel always failed first to practice the way God asked them to, then God gave them into the hands of their enemies. Babylon captivity - 70 years. Russian Communism - 74 years. If Russia got Christianity right, why were they the first to become a communist regime and to murder millions of people in the name of their ideology?

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Agreed

One hundred percent agree!

then EMJ

He is my favorite too!!!

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Cool!!! Check out book Pope Peter by Heschmeyer!!!

check out the journey home on ewtn - so many great stories

Agreed! The coming home network is awesome!

Anglican convert here :)

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Because Henry was a spoilt brat and wanted to marry his mistress - so he ditched the Pope.

@@candyclews4047 King Henry didn't start the English church.

He is not a classical theologian but is so well studied, mostly on his own initiative. As such he is so refreshing as an excellent apologist for the Catholic Church! I really like Steve Ray!

That is so true 😂

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Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RU-vid video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.

@JOE ZAMMIT awesome! Wonderful saint

When did he say that ?

@@lonelyberg1808 it's been almost a year since I watched it. Can't remember the exact time stamp. I think you'll have to watch the video to find it.

@@ericgatera7149 ah ok, I've just seen it. It's at 55:00

Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RU-vid video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.

Very true. I’m Catholic Had one gf. Married 1983. She divorced me Been single since 1990

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@@Adam-ue2ig That response video is filled with errors

@@Tom-kk1zu that's not helpful to assert "it's filled with errors" without getting specific and giving evidence for your assertion it is just posturing.

@@Adam-ue2ig I didn't and still don't have time to write something longer. I just didn't want people to think it was a legitimate response.

@@Tom-kk1zu lol...you think people would think it's an illegitimate response merely because a random Internet person says so?

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Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RU-vid video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.

Same here, Shari Limbert! I too am a lifelong Catholic, but the Holy Spirit infused a desire in me to learn more. Some of these were to answer Protestants that I knew who were spouting inaccuracies or lies and to be able to explain to my children who are no longer practicing Catholics what they left. I began an intensive learning process of the Catholic Church 3-1/2 years ago, and I am deep in Church history with videos and books by apologists and taking courses from an assortment of Catholic entities each day. There are so many great Catholic channels and Catholic apologists, many of whom were Protestants, and Steve Ray is one of the best of what I describe as, blue-collar converts! His knowledge of the Bible resulted from his evangelical background and his incredible research into the meaning of so many scripture-related subjects. The meaning of the "120 names in the upper room" is a notable example.

Steve Ray was one of the former Protestant converts to Catholicism along with Scott Hahn and Ken Hensley that I encountered "accidentally" or maybe with the infusion of the Holy Spirit 3+ years ago which gave me the desire to learn more about my Catholic faith. He and the others as well as new apologists on the scene have widened my knowledge of Catholicism!

John Donahue What does that have to do with it?

I just joined the wagon, I’m in love with the Latin Mass!!!⛪️✝️

John Donahue I could do it myself but I really don’t feel like typing out every single argument so I’m just going to leave these here: shamelesspopery.com/where-is-the-papacy-in-the-bible/ www.google.com/amp/s/churchpop.com/2017/08/28/where-the-papacy-is-hidden-in-the-old-testament/amp/

@@johndonahue3162 Just watch the whole video and think about Steve's points.

@widjajaa what John doesn't notice about the Scriptures regarding the local church hierarchy is that it doesn't end there, simply because of who is writing to them about how to set up their lical heirarchy: an Apostle. An Apostle who visits, establishes, and wrotes to many church communities, so that they all remain in communion with each other. So yes, there is multi-community oversight going on. Just gotta look at the context behind the text.

Sorry you had to go through that. Not all Catholics are like that. The church is full of sinful, imperfecr people. But still, wgat the Catholic church teaches is true and makes us happy!

Some Catholics are no better than Protestant Bible-thumping hypocrites.

@@johnnotrealname8168 Jesus started Catholic church…..join

@@juliankonkani Well….Catholics are in a better position because Jesus started Catholic church. Protestant churches started by men. No salvation outside the Catholic church.

​@@johnyang1420 Here is where I'd like to correct you. Protestant sects aren't Churches. Churches have apostolic foundations and their bishops / priests carry apostolic succession. The Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Nestorians are Churches. Protestant sects were founded by men. They are Ecclesial communities, not Churches. Avoid saying Protestant "Churches" because that gives them legitimacy which they don't have.

Not all division is bad. There are some things worth dividing over. If you render Christ's atoning work as insufficient unless you practice x number of "sacraments", that is worth dividing over. It is not the gospel given to us by the Apostles. I can call you my brother/sister in Christ if you trust his atoning work as sufficient for your salvation, but you like to wear a dress when you preach. It is not my preference, but it doesn't preclude us from joining together. I will even join you in your fight to protect babies from an abortionist's scalpel. No problem. But, if you deny the sole efficacy of faith, and seek to attach as conditions to my salvation the doctrines and commandments of men, we will not be in fellowship. It is YOU who left the faith once delivered to the saints, and thus your responsibility to return. John 17 is your call to return.

It's all so confusing to me. Both sides have valid points. They will know we are christians by our love. If we love God with all our mind, body, soul and spirit AND love our neighbor as ourself, we are obeying the commandments. I was raised Catholic but came to personal faith in Jesus Christ at the age of 20, 40 years ago in a non-denominational church. I'm drawn to Catholicism and trying to learn, but I get confused with all these arguments. One thing I do know, LOVE is the key. May the Lord be merciful to us all.

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"We Catholics need to get back to that Bible !!" Well said. Thanks to Wycliffe, and King James I of England (both critics of Romanism) who broke the door open, you now have a multiplicity of excellent English Bibles, not Latin, to study for yourself. One of the many reasons why the Middle Ages were the Dark Ages.

Never met a Catholic who read the Bible before, in fact they tell me that's what a priest is for. Possibly one of the main reasons I'm not a Catholic

@@AndrewRAMontgomery That is why my friend Jesus tells us about the Holy Spirit the He will be our interpreter of the Bible. (John 16:13) I do not doubt that the Holy Spirit will not talk to us and tell us what every verses of the scripture means. I never read anything Jesus saying that when I'm gone go to Peter and he will interpret the scriptures for you... do not read the Bible for you will not understand it. Yes Peter says it is hard but he did not say it's impossible for the Holy Spirit will guide us into ALL truth.... I wondering why Steve Ray doesn't know John 16:13... probably he's not asking the Holy Spirit to interpret it for him....

@@ramonagustin9023 Ramon, By your comments you expose irrationality and fanatical thinking. It shows you know nothing of the Catholic Church. I ask you: Do you know who, inspired by the Holy Spirit, gave you the Bible? ▪︎ANSWER: The Catholic Church ▪︎WHEN & WHERE? Beginning with the Council of Rome of 382AD, Through the Decree of Damasus, the 37th Pope, successor of St. Peter. I ask you: Where did Martin Luther get authority to decide what and what not to teach? ANS: NOWHERE! I leave you the words of our Lord which confirm the existence of ONE CHURCH and no other. MATTHEW 16:18 18. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build MY CHURCH, and THE GATES OF HADES WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT. How many churches? ONLY ONE! Jesus promised: ▪︎MATTHEW 28:19-20 19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20. and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO THE END OF THE AGE.” IN CONCLUSION: The Church founded by Jesus was never to be divided in a "Protestant" way, nor was it founded on a non existent Bible but on men throughout the ages, constantly inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit to know and teach ALL TRUTH in order to remain ONE CHURCH, just as JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE: ▪︎ JOHN 17:17-23 17. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you have sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be sanctified IN TRUTH. 20. “I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21. that THEY MAY ALL BE ONE. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22. The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE, 23. I in them and you in me, that they may become COMPLETELY ONE, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. God bless your journey.

@@joecastillo8798 The scriptures was written by many people, some inspired by the Holy Spirit, some instructed by God himself from the beginning... the first written Word of God was written by God himself to the tablet (10 Commandments)..... until God instructed them to write it.... Now the Bible is just a translation of the original text where the scriptures are originally written... translating to other languages doesn't need inspiration of the Holy Spirit...in which the Bible is considered as translation...

Me too.

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He was a rabid anti-semite. To be fair there were many Catholics who were the same and thought of them as Christ killers - the result of poor catechesis.

Even stranger, Luther depended on Jewish opinions of certain opd testament books when Luther was anti semitic.

Logan Ross!!! Right??? I am with you!!!! Too long to even list!!! Had I known that…. Whoa!!! I now know why I didn’t hear of such things!

I was raised in catholicism and realised it was antisemitic. Don't believe me, well Jesus was Jewish, His initial disciples were Jewish and most of the writers except one were Jewish.

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Matt, I understand the desire for goodwill between Catholics and Protestant. But come on, how is “Protest”ant not inherently anti-Catholic? If you protest something, then you are against (anti) the thing you Protest - in this case the Catholic Church. Let’s not downplay this. Even Protestants understand this since there is far less friction between all the Protestant sects than there is between Protestants and Catholics.

@@redimerfortitudo Thanks mate. First of all, not all Protestants know why they are protestant. They may remain with their respective community while looking upon Catholics with indifference or even see Catholicism as one viable strand of Christianity among many. Secondly, there is obviously a difference between A) non-Catholics who are such because they disagree with some or most of her doctrines but who see much or at least some merit in Catholicism and B) non-Catholics who are such because they also think Catholicism to be a positive evil upon society and/or Christianity, are you really going to lump both into the category of anti-catholic?

@@PintsWithAquinas Your first point is the most important. Most protestants are blatantly unaware of history (speaking from experience). I'm still technically "protestant" with no protests, and I plan on moving towards Rome. The major factor was history. Specifically the 1st century jewish contexts of the OT and NT. Pair that with the Fathers, and you find the best argument for Catholic Christianity. As I mention historical data to friends, they are AMAZED that so many "weird passages" have a rich, true, and deep meaning when paired with History. It explains the Scriptures, and also shows why the early church was Catholic. Most of my friends are hungry for more information like that. Then, they are satisfied, albeit surprised and shocked, to find Mary's perpetual virginity, the intercession of saints, the continuity of Apostolic Succession with jewish rabbinic authority going back to Moses, and Sacramental theology!

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@@tony1685 By what authority is your interpretation?

@@tony1685 brother, I'd strongly suggest curbing your pride. You can disagree with Steve Ray or Dr. Hahn all you'd like, but to call them "biblically illiterate" is just dishonest and false. Don't forget that "everyone who exalts himself will be humbled."

@@tony1685 whether that be the case or not, scripture commands us to give our defenses with "gentleness and reverence" (1Pet 3:15) You are doing neither. I commend you for your zeal for what you believe to be the truth. In my case, the more I learned about scripture, the more I was drawn to the Catholic faith. And while I'm certainly no Steve Ray or Scott Hahn, I'm far from "biblically illiterate." I'll pray for you, and I'd ask that you please pray for me as well.

@@tony1685 The gates of hell will not prevail.

@@tony1685 Jesus said, "unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" Children are obedient, they believe, they have faith, they are resilient. There are battles only God can fight. We are called to be humbled. He died for all of our sins.

I mean church scandals

Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RU-vid video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.

Totally agree, but they chose "develop" by design. For Romanists, the deposit of truth continues to grow after the Apostles. So therefore, in their minds, there is additional truth that grows. Cf. papal "ex cathedra" statements and encyclicals. Tradition is elevated to the same place of honor and obedience as inspired, canonized Scripture. The problem is, there is no basis for this elevation. It is a man-made construct, and is not endorsed by the Holy Spirit beyond what is contained in the Scriptures. We have everything we need there. "3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." (II Peter 1:3,4) It's through the GREAT AND PRECIOUS PROMISES that we can participate in the divine nature. Not a pope. Not a bishop. Not a priest. They can't promise you anything, because they are men like us. Build you life on the rock of Jesus Christ. Anything less - the doctrines and commandments of men - is sinking sand.

@@Elevator2TheTop Amen brother, well said. I just learned about the equating of tradition with Scripture last fall before going to a vocations weekend at a seminary. My questions and disagreement with that was not met kindly before I went, which is why this subject is of interest (and concern) to me when I heard about Aquinas. I'm still trying to get through the Summa from Aquinas that I got from the library about a month ago. It's very tough to read and follow, especially after hearing how it was given second weight to the bible. It's like reading math proofs that dissect God and bring him down to our level instead of us seeking to be elevated to his. We are told in the New Testament to go amongst other people and their cultures the preach the Good News, while explicitly being told not to become like them. Aquinas seems to be promoting the latter by bringing God down to an atheist and humanistic viewpoint and understanding. If creation, the natural law, the Bible and the prophets are not enough for them then we should shake the dust off our feet and go to others who might listen. Casting our pearls before swine in a manner that works on their playing field is too much like becoming like them. Seems to be highly dangerous for our faith and wrong according to both the old and new testaments. In Christ, Andrew

@@Elevator2TheTop You have it backwards. Sola Scriptura is a man-made construct. And your "develop by design" theory applies to protestantism from its inception; ever evolving and changing, breaking with the previous group and formulating another alternate teaching based on personal interpretations of Scripture. While for Catholics, the deposit of truth doesn't continue to grow in the sense that it is different than what came before; but that a deeper understanding of that revealed truth is presented. Unlike protestantism there is no "additional truth" to Papal "ex cathedra" statements and encyclicals, which are meant to safeguard that truth, and to clarify that truth. St. Paul himself regarded Oral Tradition to the same place of honor and obedience as inspired, canonized Scripture:Traditions “delivered” (1 Cor 11:2), “taught . . . by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thes 2:15), and “received” (2 Thes 3:6).- not by letter alone! An extensive study of Paul’s word usage show some very interesting things: *Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, Titus, and Philemon neither mention “Scripture” nor cite the OT, and Philippians doesn’t mention the word and makes just one OT citation.* *In Ephesians, the Church/Tradition ratio to Scripture is 18-6; other books are similar: Philippians (4-1), Colossians (12-0), 1 Thessalonians (5-0), 2 Thessalonians (3-0), Titus (4-0). Would any sola Scriptura advocate have predicted such an outcome before studying these words?* Not likely . . . The problem is, there is no basis for sola scriptura. It is a man-made construct, and is not endorsed by the Holy Spirit nor the early Church. And who is the arbiter of what Scripture says? You? Me? or the thousands of differing sects who all use the same Bible and claim the same Holy Spirit and yet all interpret the Scriptures differently? You claim, "We have everything we need there." *yet I bet you can't find a detailed, word for word instruction as to how the early Christians worshipped? What prayers did they use? What readings? Or how about in the Old Testament? Is there detailed instruction as to how to perform a sin-offering?* 2 Peter 3:16 "He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." I agree with your last statement, " - the doctrines and commandments of men - is sinking sand." - which is why no one should listen to what any protestant has to say.

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@@johnyang1420 thanks John!

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