The Siege Of Derry 1689( BBC Documentary) 

Yes, however that would mean hollywood would have to pause their love affair for the IRA and make a movie about irish protestants instead.

@@mickb52 PRICK

AM A CATHOLIC FROM THE SOUTH AND I MUST SAY THAT THE SIEGE OF DERRY WAS A GREAT UNKNOWN TRIUMPH FOR YOUR PEOPLES .STOOD SO WELL

I LOVE MY HISTORY ETC ETC LOL

@Karl Wilson Have you seen what those Bastards at RU-vid have done to 'Londonderry Roaring Meg' ? BANNED him!!!!!

Has he ever mentioned the jesuits in particular?

*Derry

​@@chadreddick5528please elaborate

@@adamdean988 history hides history by calling them jacobites and Williamites. It should say roman catholic vs. Protestant Reformation. See also REVELATION 11 "witnesses" - ACTS 24:5 "ringleader" is Protestant in the original greek. From 1390-1834 is the age of the Witnesses.

@@adamdean988 the jesuits are a military order of the roman catholic church. They are designed for secret infiltration from the top down.

Jeroen Wubbels Indeed, while the Dutch brought the spanish to their knees and Brittish to their knees. They recovered later on, but the Dutch were a big force even the most powerfull force at a certain point in history mainly due to privatisation of the navy / trade.

As well as liberal freedom of thought, they were a scientific model of their time. Science + Money = power.

Cromwell beat the dutch

@@si4632 No he did not.....he was given a kickin by them....Dutch kicked his ass..

@@michaelahern9883 Then why didn't they kick the nazi butts instead of waiting to the British to save their tulip asses.

To be fair, the programme is based on Gebler's own book 'The Siege of Derry', so he's not just a host. It's an old fashioned (and cheap) way of presenting this type of programme, more historian's personal essay than documentary. I don't mind this style - to me it's preferable by far to the "dramatised" history (often narrated by someone who knows next to nothing of the subject) that is currently in fashion.

@@markchambers3833 Well I hope he worked out that there is no fishing village called 'Torbay'for his book. If he gets something that well known wrong, how much of the rest of this is erroneous?I came here looking for good history; if I hear one so Obvious error, I am gone!

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I don't follow your meaning. Please explain.

@@markchambers3833 i would have thought it was obvious? if someone narrating his own work can get something so glaringly wrong in the first few minutes and No one notices, it doesn't say much for the following content does it? I am sure that it was just a slip, as the map does clearly show Brixham,and Torbay as the area, but it shows shoddy production and I would rather find something that seems to have been done with more attention to detail. That's all. I don't know much about the Siege of Derry and I wanted to learn from people who do.

OK. Look around 5.49. when he says 'William landed at the small fishing village of Torbay' There s No fishing village of Torbay. It is exactly what it says, the name of a Bay, now known as 'The English Riviera' William Did land at the small fishing village of Brixham, where there is statue and a plaque to that effect. (And is in Torbay.) This is UK infant school stuff. If they can't be arsed to get that simple fact right, how much else is incorrect?

They should never have been there in the first place

@Pat McCaliskey Free Derry Tiocfaidh Ar La

And still after all these years,they are still at it,don’t tell me they are not.

You shouldn’t even be there. Defending something you stole.

Pat mcpopcorn teeth we are the People fuck the taigs

@@glezgaboy9390 I heard the Irish Catholics are soon to be the majority in NI with the loyalist population aging and old.

Then you and I are related, as my grandfather traced our family to George Gervais Walker. As I mentioned above, he found a book titled "Walker of Derry" that I still have. It's no longer available but it contains a great deal of information about him, his life, his bravery and dedication to protecting the citizens. He was a warrior as well as a minister... as I serve as pastor at my small church I'm fascinated by this unlikely yet needed combination. I wish you and your family well. I'm Jim Walker, btw.

@@wfxxfox1963 You're sure that's not the book Governor Walker wrote about himself? 😂 It's pretty annoying that Walker is one of the best sources we have for the events in Derry as he's prone not only to self-aggrandisement and exaggeration but at times outright lies. Still, he's an important figure in the Williamite wars. Just maybe not as important as he said he was.

@@wfxxfox1963 There used to be a giant column to his memory on the walls of Derry. It was blown up by terrorists in the 1970s.

My great x 2 grandmother was Margaret Walker, and she descended from Godfrey Walker, brother of George, I have been doing my tree for 8 years now, and I am also DNA related to Taaffe's from county Louth, I have not figured out how though, but at least 2 of them died fighting for James outside the walls of Derry.

The mother of Ian Drury of the Blockheads fame ( Ian Drury and the Blockheads) was a Walker and related to Governor Walker

There is no Londonderry in Ireland....

@@zenjen1295 I didn’t say there was specifically, if you can read my comment properly. But there are 8 places called Londonderry in the whole world. The name must have come from somewhere.

@@TheUnknownCountry Yeah, but the nationalists in NI call it Derry.

@@themaskedman221 Look, it’s the historical name for the place. Same as Kingstown for Dun Laoghaire and Queenstown for Cork. My grandmother remembers when it was called Kingstown. In my country Canada they are starting to rename places, including my town, and I can see the insidious agenda behind it. I’m not a fan of renaming places. So when they start renaming everything and everywhere as the replacement continues, just know it was started by the Irish. Same with the tearing down and blowing up statues, and not even replacing them with anything decent. That started there too. I personally would have much rather seen a nice statue of them all in front of the GPO instead of the stupid “Needle.”

@@TheUnknownCountry Did I say it has no historical precedent? Of course it does, but nationalists reject the name because it has "London" in it.

Your ancestor was a traitor.

@@mgcostello William and Mary were the legitimate joint monarchs appointed by Parliament. The Jacobites funded by the French enemy were the traitors if anyone was.

@@richbryce5006 it was a coup.

@@mgcostello Not at all. Parliaments in England and Scotland deposed a would-be autocrat who had suspended Parliament to rule by royal decree. William had married Mary, the then legitimate heir to the crown before the [Catholic] Prince of Wales was born. There were very good reason's to believe that this baby was not really birthed by James' erstwhile barren wife, but was fraudulently passed off as legitimate to ensure a male heir to supplant Mary in the line of succession. Without that illegitimate heir Mary and William would have ruled on James' death. So not a coup, but Parliament asserting its primacy over the monarchy, as it should be.

@@richbryce5006 I'm sympathetic to the Williamite point of view but there isn't a shred of evidence that the stories of the baby being smuggled in in a bedwarmer are anything other than propaganda. The legitimacy of the revolution was dubious to say the least. Parliament had no legal authority to remove the King (as it had had no legal authority to execute his father) as England was an absolute monarchy after the Restoration and a parliament could only act when called by the king. As to Ireland, James held the crown of Ireland in his own right, independent of England or the English parliament. I think there was a good moral case to remove James, who was acting as a tyrant; and he abandoned his English throne with barely a wimper - throwing the great seal in the Thames as he fled the country. The new settlement after the revolution, in establishing a constitutional monarchy and codifying the rights of the subject, was beneficial to both the soon to be created UK and the advancement of western democracy as a whole. However, the defenders at Derry and the men of Enniskillen were rebels against their lawful king. They're even referred to as "rebels" in the loyal song 'Derry's Walls'.

Here Kirke is presented as risk averse/over cautious, which is probably a fair assessment of his actions - or rather inaction - at Derry. That inaction cost thousands of lives and almost lost Derry to the Jacobites. Had Derry fallen, the Jacobites could have concentrated their entire force on defeating the Enniskilleners and the entire war would have been in the balance. William would have had to launch a full scale invasion with no coherent military force already present in Ireland to support. The history of Europe, let alone Ireland, may have been very different. It was a close run thing.

Grafton Hale explains a lot

Grafton Hale Right you are, thats when my 9th great gf came over and his son my 8th ggf was born in virginia in 1700 before settling in south carolina.After the civil war we came to Texas and have been here ever since.

Nice story but unfortunately untrue. The Ulster Scots left in the early 18th century because of the high rents demanded by their protestant landlords. Economic reasons primarily.

@@kevingee4294 Cousin!

My 8th and 9th great grandfathers were at LondonDerry. Col Robert Blair and his Father Capt James Blair they came to America in 1718 their decendants then moving into Virginia around 1760 and into Kentucky around 1808 where many live today they indeed fought for and helped shape the country I am proud to call home and am not willing to surrender

All this because some inbred nut job wanted a divorce

Alphanatrix1067 which community are u apart of?

Gideon Horwitz why does it matter? As he said we should move on and be peaceful

I'm not really that bothered all those who remember the violence of the troubles are slowly dieing and we lose interest. Soon there will be a United Ireland be sure of brexit(I know what I am talking about, I watched a video once)

@@benmcc347 A united Islamic Ireland now the Jesuits have replaced their Irish pawns with African ones.

I left all the "one town cowboys," in 1978. Small minded people, full of hatred towards their neighbours. Never looked back.

AlexanderGrahamBell Yeah most of em died of hunger and cold or the debtors jail all were quickly forgotten.

it was a coup de ta.

AMEN

1690 isn't that the 24 hour clock vershion of 5:30.

Our freedom religion and laws at the cost of the Irish freedom and religion.

Jim, If you have not already checked it out go to the "Family Search" web site. His Family Tree has been well researched and in particular if you follow the Stanhopes it goes very far back. I recently discovered that he was my 8th Great Grandfather. Kind Regards.

The official name of the city is Derry. It’s a catholic city today.

@@mgcostello My understanding is that the "official" name is in fact Londonderry. The London part was added to Derry when the city was granted a royal charter by James 1 in 1613 to reflect the funding of it's construction by London Guilds ( It had been been mostly destroyed by fire). I grew up in Derry as it is known by most people no matter of which religious persuasion.

The main thing now gers win the league linfield next

@@mgcostello catholic City which still loves the queen's money, it'll never be broken the protestants of the city will rise again no surrender

@duncan stirling United Ireland secular free of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism both Anglican and Presbyterian.

No surrender ulster shall remain british

Why?

Yea

Glen Taylor well said Glen!! popery is evil !!!

Erin go bra I probably spelled that wrong but you get the point

Éirinn go Brách** ahahah

No need to surrender, just be assimilated into a 32 County Republic of Ireland ;)

26 county**

You have no history .....your jocks that were shipped over from scotland and should be shipped back along with your Hate and cowardice . a united Ireland will prevail .....

up the uk

@@marcsaintgermain7870 spend a little more time reading history and a little less time being a bitter little prick

@@edwardtanner6393 explain your comment please

@@stickykitty i would rather explain my comment to marc . Do you know marc ? Are u a friend . Or same person?

Actually, William was James's son in law. Mary, William's wife, was James's Prodestant daughter, who James had with his first wife.

@Port st Mary born & bred Funny those that live there call it Derry!

William junior

@Percy Harry Hotspur Why what ?

@Percy Harry Hotspur Possibly. It was in the distant past, when I was a young boy. 5 years ago. Im not sure if I still posses that power.

Ulster Loyalists too afriad of different opinions though British state was about free speech.

@@RobertK1993 Theyre afraid of everything. But Britain has no laws protecting freedom of speech and expression. I have two books. One by a British photojournalist. They carried a 6 month jail sentence just to hold. I have 2. But every publication describing Republican aims or ideals were illegal. That was over one a month for 35 years (actually , since 1923)

@Pat McCaliskey yust 2 here your hate of us well done

Still british isn't it ??

Jungleloyalscouse Thankfully Britex will be the catalyst for a united Ireland .bye bye .

I would wager their grammar and spelling was probably better than yours....

You lot are loyal to a past that the Brits have long since left behind. get over it. and stop living in the past. As the tricolor will be flying over your city hall very soon. TAL32.

robert sutherland I understand your debt, but time is past, in our days we have Internet, walk in the moon etc.. different philosophy. Is like Hitler, he did what he did. Hundreds of thousands of Irish and United Kingdom soldiers were killed , and now, many Anglo Saxons are buying Mercedes-Benz and BMW. This is disgusting, lack of disrespect.

robert sutherland WtF This was a European battle and a coup and illegal one

Wit they huns like man no surrender, what about 2012?

Yoda Google lol lack of DISrespect?

Ulster Loyalists for you

I recently found out idc

And normal Scots who don't give a f**k about the pope or Queen support our celtic cousins. The Irish

@@neildiamondo6445 Why would Scots support the Irish, who invaded and colonised our country. ?

@@mrsuperger5429 why do you support the English who tried forever invading and taking over?

@@neildiamondo6445 The Irish tribe, the Scotti, invaded and colonised our land and named the country after themselves, Scotland.

@@mrsuperger5429 I know. But they were from these Isles. The anglo saxons took over England. Then invaded for many hundreds of years. Finally absorbed Scotland as her bitch state in 1707.

England should return the 6 counties back to the Republic. Then there won't be any more tensions!

***** Bullshite my friend. You think Ulster is up in arms now? If that were to happen there would be all out war.

***** .... and England's not the only country in the UK.

Eric Bush And there aren't just 26 counties in Ireland! Clearly you've never been to the North, EVERYWHERE you go there's murals and signs telling England to get out. They've been oppressing the Irish people for way too long. Meanwhile, in the house of commons they aren't even aware of anything that's going on. Whether you like it or not people from northern IRELAND are Irish not English/British etc. Derry/Newry/Armagh etc all Irish cities and should be returned to the Republic. The IRA is very very active up there at the minute. Saor Éireann.

***** What? I'm in Belfast as we speak!

Pretty sure its the Derry Boys that are Bigots as they follow the Solemn League and Covenant which was a movement that killed around 50.000 women for Witchcraft in SE Scotland and NE England Alone and around 10.000 Gay people

BOOOOKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEE ya greeb

Yes unbelievable. Scot here. We struggling to work out how to beat yous, TBH we can't, gotta hope it pours down with rain or sleet like we used to hope v England. 🤭🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

No that's shite m8 9 county s d.gull Monahan cavin

Zero The Hero I want to come, but then I’m one of the madmen myself alas

"remember when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth" -Eric Idle/John Du Prez

Our country is willing to sponsor your trip.....but we require that you take Donald Trump with you.

@@blondwiththewind AND Nancy Pelosi, Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom

Timothy Easton Why isn't it the Apprentice Boys of Londonderry as their official title? It is always Apprentice Boys of Derry ABOD.

Timothy Easton They spelt Derry correctly.

What a stupid comment

All the nationalists do is call people bigots and cunts. He was making a joke. The fact that you'll fight so much over a fucking city name shows what a childish place Ireland is, full of petty people on all sides.

spencer words typed by someone who no doubt didnt have to face foreign invasion.

Double check EVERYTHING in Wikipedia. It's a good start point, but don't stop there!

+Liam Keyes Yes named in memory of companies that built the modern city, be thankful they built the dump you all love

+SuperAlbinoBob yes, the original town was destroyed by some rebels, the new city Londonderry was built with sponsorship from some London trade companies on the opposite bank.

The Oak of the servant of Colm?

Before it was sponsered by the City of London, Derry was a sparsely populated, boggy wasteland. Without the City of London, the lovely city that's there today - with its walls, public buildings and fine cathedral - wouldn't exist. Hence the name.

Latin for Fortress

It's common sense.

No it won't. Because the majority of people there (including not only the vast majority of Protestants but also a large minority of Catholics) want NI to remain an integrated part of the UK. We quite like our wee country, thank you very much.

Not going to happen 🤣

+Ian Clark Britain doesn't occupy any of Ireland - it is our country. There are 32 counties and we allowed 26 to be ceded.

its 9 counties in ulster and 6 British

british...we use stirling, the queen is our head of state

Ian Clark when are fenians gona learn ulster is british fact... why do yous think its not... look it fuking up ffs..

It wasn't stolen by England, but the unionists are of Scottish ancestry, Scotland is up to it's knees in these problems as well.

Culture? Greenland vikings didn't eat fish.

@@bradmiller2329 dickhead

Probably diseased......but if you were starving , you could buy a dead rat for a shilling or a dead mouse for a penny .........now that’s what I call commitment !

@@nicktombs1876 That's your argument?

You can be well assured that in the 17th century - or at any other time in human history - anything non-human that can be eaten in a besieged city is eaten. And sometimes humans are eaten too.

I wouldn't claim a lot of these so called Protestant are actually protestant Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster for example has many members tied to global terrorism

Demographics would indicate the 6 counties are no longer "protestant". #Think32

no surrender to the pope and his spawn

The fucking Pope back then was on your side. Everyone was, bar Louis XIV.

+Edd Ryan Is Ryan is a Gaelic Irish name?

Your sisters are ants?

Absoloutly nothing compared to abuse of children by R C priests, nuns christain brothers etc.

Lol .... its happened. You just didn't read the memo 😘

Abit before my time so tell me what was the siege of Derry like as you seem to have a first hand account

@@Minime163 Yeah I lived there through the troubles and protestants still live under siege to this day so the cry is STILL No Surrender!

TheRab1873 In your fuckin dreams . .

TheRab1873 No you can’t, we won’t let you lol

You could can do nothing on your own we had to send ambulance's up north to try and help your health care workers after the mess your first minister made of containing the Corona virus just to prove she's British well she's not and neither are any of the rest of you just ask boris Johnson.

@@Minime163 Thank you for sending the Dublin & Dundalk fire Brigade to help Belfast during the Belfast blitz during the Second World War.

Build the wall

Big fan of this comment. well played.

In Ireland. Not in Northern Ireland.

originally built by the Irish Society between 1613 and 1619. intention of protecting the Scottish and English--- Plantation of Ulster by James I.

Edd Ryan The name Derry is an anglicisation of the Old Irish name Daire (modern Irish: Doire) meaning "oak grove".

Very good

Me too 🐈🌹

Well done I'll phone the press

Straight White British Protestant ... you’re clueless ya mug ( I blame the schools ) Williams army contained both RCs and Protestants. His elite Dutch Blue Guard were predominately Dutch aristocratic Catholic’s . He was also partially find by the Pope , and did in fact carry a Papal banner . The bells of St Peters rang out in celebration , when the Pope heard of Williams victory at the Boyne. This battle had little religious significance in anywhere other than Ireland . It was seen more as a victory against Louis

@@Jimmy_Cooper that guy you refer to closeted English heretic is a terrible idiot . He's incapable of understanding pretty much anything.

Bruce Barker who cares if it’s called one or the other? Are the Irish such closed-minded bigots that they don’t believe in taking immigrants? Or that people of different races and religions and lifestyles can live as good neighbors and fellow countrymen? No nation on earth has been left without Irish people during the mass migrations out of Ireland in the 1800s, and all have thrived and been embraced by the nations they now reside in. Being so stubbornly and ignorantly biased in favor of your own racial tribe is what has caused the deaths of so many innocents at the hands of the Irish. The ira are heroes because they repented of murdering children and pursuing a genocidal cause and realized they need to learn to live with other people in this world. Up the ra.

It’s Derry all the way, always has been, always will be, fuckin love my town like even though I hate it

Its Londonderry

@@rachelkelly760 aye dead on you sound like a tramp from the bog, lovely when we march around the walls and raise the union flag high above the town, no surrender.

Loyal.... To king and queen....

@@nellmclaughlin3786 they were loyal to a foreign Dutchmen during this war it was the Irish who were loyal

tomtomftube the aryans own the entire world. Everyone else needs to die. Similar philosophy to you nazi Irishmen.

Coretta Hattereaux What? Do you know anything about Ireland?

Does the gaelic irish pay the Benefits??

I wonder what wolftone or Henry joy or napper Tandy all prods would of said as you do no it was prods who started Irish republicanism

There WERE no "Gaelic Irish" left in Ulster after Cromwell got done.

We are of Irish Catholic ancestry.. My son went to the home of a first generation friend, here in the States.. My husband was one of the alter boys molested by his priest.. It turned him away from the Roman church and to the Baptists.. My son's friend told him to say we were still Catholic because his mother would not let an Irish Protestant into her house.. That was in 1980 something..

@@adiabolicalliberty2614 It was rare, and i got my experience first Hand....I'm saying that the groups that DON'T are much th same as they were for years, paranoid sectarian hate mongers, snobs and sadly victims of the cycle of political vendettq.

@@scottleft3672 that’s not true most Australians are a mix of English Scottish and Irish

+Steven Stewart Yeah No Surrender!!!!!

+Steven Stewart My ancestors before we told the Crown to f*ck off... (Mount-Joy Ship)

Mountjoy was Elizabeth I time dumb Loyalist

@@jbloun911 Ulster Protestants went against the British crown in 1798 during the United Irishmen Rebellion

@@RobertK1993 kill em all

***** - i think it was in dame street, dublin 2. diddent know it was blown up, though. shows how often i visit the southern capital's centre!!

+Dassoon Fitz Are you sure you're not referring to Nelson's column which was destroyed by the IRA?:

+TurfGuy You said it perfectly, turf guy!! thank you for saying what a lot of people think. sadly, the proletariat will not be reading your letters, or mine or, indeed, any one else's letters. those people are skinheads and semi illilterate. if only they knew what they were talking about.

+Dassoon Fitz Probably because a lot them don't give a shit! Let me ask you a question. What do you think the people in Dublin would like more? Ten pints of Guinness or the statue of William of Orange? You are correct!

@@1948DESMOND that was Nelson's pillar if your talking about o'Connell street

it's not the republic of ireland it's Ireland as one🇮🇪 32 Counties 1 Country🇮🇪💚

Bruce Barker republics suck. I’m an American and it’s never been anything but a tyrannical despot government just like every other kind of government ever invented. Stop cloaking yourselves in republicanism like it equates with freedom.

Republics suck? "Tyrannical despot government"? I think you are going a bit far there. Some government types are clearly less good for people and represent now the progress of human history - i.e. away from Absolute Monarchy. If you mean that it depends on who is running the show, then yeah, I see. I'm thinking that in Ireland because of their history "republican" is just a byword for "wants united, independent Ireland/nationalist" but I don't know.

@@dairemcbride1246 Sorry, not a fact. An ideal maybe, but not a fact.

@@corettaha7855 Try living under a military dictatorship for a while. I did, and it SUCKS.

British.... as in BBC

@@tonidewonderful4187 Irish, as in Derry.

They weren't Penal Laws were much later. King James the 2nd was a catholic and he placed catholic Irish in key positions in Ireland, when the Glorious Revolution began in England the King fled to France then Ireland to raise an Irish army to gain the throne of England and Scotland back.

Got it! Thanks! Didn't realize the situation was so different in England vs Ireland with the RC adherents.

Brian Smith Cool, the people behind the walls were keenly suspicious of Irish Catholics as they had been Royalist during the Civil War period also, when King James place his supporters in power, the Ulster Scots peoples sought defence, it is a very interesting period of history, wilder than the wild west, lol

An ancestor of mine gained land in Tipperary in payment for services in Cromwell's army so I have a direct connection to this rather sinister time.

Brian Smith I wouldnt call it sinister, it was custom of the time, all royalists lost their lands, english or irish. To the victors go the spoils.

Nobody knows. Typo?

@@paulduffy4585 ???

Oh yes, I forgot the French element.

Ulster Irish defending and dying in the city. Catholic Irish part of the Jacobite forces.

they were trying to grow potatoes

The Irish were fighting for the Jacobites

@@jockgnu9026 your people call yourselves loyalists yet betrayed the king and the Irish fought for the king

Good helped our cause ftp

Daniel Winter a co founder Orange Order was washed failed Freemason who laughed by other Freemasons when ask for help as was other founder of Orange Order James Wilson both hot asses handed to them by Catholic defenders in 1780s and 90s

@@RobertK1993 Is that what happened at the "Battle of the Diamond" in 1795? 🤔 You seem to hold a favourable view of the Defenders, a vicious organisation steeped in the blood of sectarian violence. I'll leave others to judge for themselves how they should view people who support sectarian violence.

+Noel Ball What kind of a film do you have in mind.

Scotland said no and the Nationalists 45 are still living in cuckoo land, rallying for independence when they lost, they don't grasp democracy....

Dave Dante Yeah man you are right thought Scotlanfd was ready to strike out on its own think Salmond did the right thing by resigning but his words "the dream goes on" well maybe in another 50 years Scotland might be ready to ask that question again but you and i will be under green sods lay !

quite right it makes me laugh,on my mothers side its scottish presbiterian and they talk with pride about our connection with the macphersons who were jacobites,but were members of the orange association,my father is irish,but you see these guys wearing kilts and playing the pipes which come from the gaelic culture,mmmmmmmmmmmm

Michael Ahern why don’t y’all just chug off to the south seas with your half of the island since you can’t learn to be tolerant of others on it? It would be warmer anyway.

Michael Ahern how's that work out for ya lol

Andy McSherry: Hmmm......so he was a protestant pope was he ?

If you'd studiedy your history you'd find that McSherry is right -the Pope did support William.

No, but Pope Innocent XI was allied to William of Orange (along with the House of Hapsburg) against Louis XIV in the War of the League of Augsburg at the time of this battle and James II was allied to Louis XIV. The Pope knew that if William could overthrow James and become king of the Three Kingdoms, he could then use their resources in their war against France.

@@costakeith9048 why would he want that, thought France was Europe's greatest catholic power at this time ?

@@si4632 Because the Pope wanted France to break their Unholy Alliance with the Ottoman Empire and join the HRE (led by Catholic Austria and the Catholic House of Hapsburg) in a crusade against the Turks in the East. Instead, France used the HRE's wars against the Ottomans as an opportunity to threaten the HRE and take lands off of them in the west, when the HRE refused a French ultimatum, France advanced to the Rhine. The Grand Alliance, also known as the League of Augsburg, was formed to contain French expansion and defend the lands of the HRE, it had the support of the Pope. France, though a large Catholic country in Europe, was never really part of the political alliances that defined Catholic Europe and was usually at odds with them. France would also fight on the side of the Protestants in the wars of religion a few decades after the War of the Augsburg League. Things have never been as simple as protestant vs. catholic, especially where France is concerned, their national interests and, especially, their rivalry with the House of Hapsburg (the Holy Roman Emperors and leaders of Catholic Europe) almost always took precedence over the Catholic religion. And the Pope would generally ally with the House of Hapsburg (for both historic and local strategic reasons, both having an interest in containing Venice, early on, then in keeping France out of Italy later on) and, thus, France and the Pope would quite often find themselves on opposite sides of a conflict.

Free your skint ,peat no longer req

The penal laws is what they were called yes. But under King James II, he was a catholic, so with him on the throne, catholics thought they would be treated better. Once he was gone, and King William on the throne, everything changed.

@@johnking5174 Gotcha . Thanks John

Oh boy you know it is more complicated than that

No one cares about ye, even us greens have backed away from bible, and its made ye look uglier than ye are. Get some forgiveness into yer lives.

James II a tolerant King ? The south west of England's air was putrid with the smell or rotting corpses hung drawn and quartered even innocent non combatants, children, were killed, the rest sold into slavery in the Caribbean (the Monmouth rebellion) 10% of the present population are descended from these slaves. In part the Caribbean rich accent mixed with African dialects comes from the SW England. James was a backward looking King want to return England to Rome and install the Devine Rights of kings. After William and Mary became the Monarchs we had the the bill of rights and the act of attainment. 1688.

Dream on. William was the legitimate joint monarch appointed for good reason by parliament. England had no wish to have a Catholic succession and the attempt by James to re-establish an absolute monarchy allied to France and the Bishop of Rome.

Nicely put

It's derry

@@karenkyle4275 you'r right and i can be sure of that cause live in derry + im cathloic