The Sinking of the Japanese Carrier Unryū 

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Even better was Yorktown. The Japanese carriers thought they sunk her three times; twice in one day. She was being readied for towing to Pearl when a sub torpedoed her and the attending destroyer for the kill.

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I spent 25 years in the USN, retiring in 2014. Damage control is still an integral part of the USN with every crewmember on the ship being trained in firefighting and all other aspects of damage control. If your ship is damaged there in no where to run. You either fix it or you go down, it is that simple.

@@retirednavy8720I spent over a year as DCPO for FOX Division on the USS LAWRENCE DDG-4 in 1984-85

The IJN also was using volatile ships fuel.

I was stationing in yokouka Japan in 1987 to 1991 was a slave in J 39 warehouse

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Another thing that amazes me was the insistence on high ranking officers going down with the ship "in disgrace". While I understand that their emphasis on "honor" was the explanation, by doing this they're continually depriving their navy of its most experienced officers, decreasing overall competence of their navy.

@@gregmead2967 I never understood this. The centuries of experience that was just pissed away for "honour", absolutely stupid.

The Japanese had an excess of planes, and a big shortage of fully trained pilots. They had basically no reserves for the lost carrier pilots. The rise of the kamikaze wasn't so much "self sabotage" as it was a desperate act to continue the conflict.

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@n4lra1 HAI ! = shark in 🇫🇮. Read the Hara book in FINNISH just as soon as it was translated to our language in 1977. I was just a juvenile. But probably had spent my previous life in either or both sides of the Pac War. YAMATO DAMASHII = HAKKAA PÄÄLLE 🇫🇮

Incorrect

@@sulevisydanmaa9981 Most Americans get a surprise when they order Taco at a Japanese restaurant. The TACO we are most familiar with is the Mexican Taco which is small folded cornmeal pancake stuffed with some meat and vegetables. Taco is octopus in Japanese.🙂

@@n4lra1 Take care in Korea. If you offer salsa to your friend who doesn't know Mexican food, s/he may think you're serving diarrhoea.

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The war was lost on 12/7/1941

@@TheRobdarling Agree.

@@TheRobdarling Well stated and likely true knowing what we now know.

The Japanese aggression was doomed when the US stopped supplying fuel to them.

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The kami kaze plan pretty much limited pilot numbers as did the Mariana's turkey shoot, they squandered what they had.

In 1900, Japan didn't have any university that could train engineers - gear designers, gear builders, i-beam designs, etc. They had no shipyards capable of working on metal-hulled ships. Those would appearing in 1910 and only in the '20s was Japan producing a few steel hulled ships. Coal-fire steel plants were still overwhelmed by demand. When Pearl Harbor was attacked, Japan's civilian shipping needs were over 9-million tons but they only had 2 million. They rented the other 7 million tons of shipping from the USA, Britain and the Dutch. All three of their enemies as of December 7th. "We'll confiscate those, then" was their idea, and they never did. With military demands, they never produced even a million ship-tons for civilian use, and only 'commandeered' a bit over 1 mil. This is why Japan was starving - they did it themselves.

Their training philosophy and lack of aircraft and scarcity of fuel made that impossible

The Japanese pilots don't even bother to used a parachute or bother to be equipped with one.

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Tameichi Hara?

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These really are awful. Pronunciation of the Japanese names is particularly uneducated, but when they can't say "Combined" properly, well... all hope is given up.

I have seen it written these are AI voices. I just know that, if these are intelligent, why can't they learn?!!

One of the worst on the internet.

They don't care. This is all just AI garbage to farm ad revenue on RU-vid. Just give it a thumbs down and move on.

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Good point, and another example of how Hidden History trashed what could have been a great video. The use of the computer voice is another example.

No way, someone with understanding in the RU-vid comments?! Greatly appreciate you watching and have a fantastic week :)

@@HiddenHistoryYT I try to only be ignorant and stupid 5 times per month, and its too early to use another one already

They completely understood the US Battleship and Cruiser naming conventions. The States and Cities approach was very similar to the Japanese Battleship and Carrier name conventions. Which were named for places in Japan. (Yamato meant “The whole of Japan” and was basically the same idea as the “USS America”). Submarine names being fish made complete sense to them. They kind of liked that. But The US Carrier naming conventions however drove them nuts. The US’s habit of naming new Carriers after ones that had been sunk, sometimes just months or weeks later drove Japanese Naval intelligence insane. Why was the Yorktown back? How was the Yorktown back? And Lexington! And naming Carriers after famous American battles was fine for Saratoga and Lexington. But naming them for Japanese losses while the war was going on, and getting them to sea was just rubbing their noses in it. And then there was USS Shangri La. Which drove them round the bend. Shangri La is a fictional city in Asia from the 1939 James Hilton novel Lost Horizon. But in the context of WW2, in April 1942 a flight of American B25 Land Based Medium Bombers were launched from the aircraft carrier USS Hornet, escorted by Enterprise, and bombed Tokyo. The first foreign attack to hit Japanese soil in over 1000 years. When US President Roosevelt announced the attack to the American people that night, he declared the bombers had launched from “Shangri La”. The US would keep quiet about the true means of the attack until the 2 Carriers were safely away from Japan. So President Roosevelt had declared Shangri La was used to attack Japan. And now 2 years later Japanese Intelligence sources were reporting that this made up nonsense name was once again moving around the Pacific and bombing Japanese targets. They never quite grasped that USS Shangri La was named for the Doolittle Raid.

Akagi had her island on the port side.

@@gimmeshelter2151 Yes, but this is Hiryu. Akagi was almost twice the tonnage, and looked very different.

Keep those Americans confused as often as possible with the inconsistent island location on aircraft carriers and some had none.

@@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm Yeppers! None of their cvls had an island.

@@user-pb2vo4pt3t You seem to know a lot of carriers. You are likely kidding and already know that an island on a carrier was, I believe, a raised bridge superstucture usually on one side or the other of the flight deck and extending up a few stories high. If you were not kidding, go back and look at the pretty pictures of their carriers in the video itself. Cvls, your term, I assume were the smaller, "baby" aircraft carriers. Just a guess. Many of those Japanese carriers had no island. Why, I don't know. Enlightenment, please.

Indeed! Those aircraft are part of the reason she went down

@@HiddenHistoryYT It was promos for helicopters on her deck.

“Okas” were suicide glide bombs that was steered by a pilot and dropped from a plane. It was part of Japan’s desperate attempt to sink more American ships.

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Hilarious!

Stupid & disrespectful comment! Ciao, L (Veteran)

Still going? lol

Duds, pretty common

Still circling; just in case.

@@GLGolden55 Yes early on, too many hit targets with no consequences. How the US Navy did not know how poor their torpedoes were before the war was inexcusable. Took a long time to even recognize the problem thus delaying the fix for a very long time

@@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm FDR was facing a divided country recovering from the Depression, with the Lindbergh-fronted American First faction refusing to engage, and Ford and other industrialists doing business in Germany. The Navy was not allowed to prepare, so we and the Brits were basically using WW1 era tech while Japan and Germany were advancing theirs. If no Pearl Harbor, who knows what would have happened?

Adm Ozawa called off carrier-landing training after more than half of the trainees crashed on first attempts. That's why these carriers were emptied - Ozawa calculated he should save all pilots to be land-based kamikazes, instead.

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Good song. Hoodoo Gurus from about 1984. FWIW, I'm a Stoneage Romeo.

The only US Carriers built on Battleship, well technically Battlecruiser hulls were CV-2 Lexington and CV-3 Saratoga. Lexington was lost at Coral Sea, Saratoga fought the entire war. Their Japanese counterparts were Akagi (Battle Cruiser hull) and Kaga (Battleship). These 4 were all converted due to a loophole of the Washington Naval treaty that allowed a certain tonnage of under construction ships to be converted to carriers, rather than being scrapped. The Montana’s relationship to carriers is a little more subtle. No steel was ever laid for the Montana’s. In 1942 Congress approved both the Montana class Battleships and the Midway class carriers. At the time the US only had 3 graving docks big enough to build such monstrous ships. Estimates said each Montana would need 7 years to be built. Whereas the Midways could be finished in just under 3 years. That meant the Montana’s would be unlikely to see service in the war. And the Navy was hesitant at tying up their biggest shipyards for 7 years. The result was the Midway’s were ordered to be built first. The contract for the Montana’s was still on the books when the war ended (just as the first three Midway’s were arriving.) As the US had a surplus of barely used Battleships they saw no need for the Montana’s and the contract was cancelled. As were the next batch of 2 Midway’s. The Midway follow up Carrier the monstrous United States was scrapped in the slipway in the late 40’s due to how fast carriers were evolving. These would be the last Straight Deck carriers. Development had already begun on the USS Forrestal, the first modern purpose built Super Carrier. The British had 4 Battlecruiser conversion Carriers as well. (Also artifacts of the Washington Naval treaty) Only one of which survived the war. HMS Eagle, and the three Courageous Class carriers. Courageous, Glorious and Furious. Only Furious survived the war. Mostly by stint of being the oldest and least combat capable, she was the designated training carrier and frequent plane ferry. The only other major conversion was the Shinano. Which was a monstrous “utility carrier” built on the hull of the incomplete third Yamato Battleship. The fact that Japan did not plan to use her as a fleet carrier, and instead intended her to be a mobile warehouse of spare aircraft and repair facility for the fleet carriers tells you that she was an awful carrier conversion. There’s not a lot of info on her. And she was sunk 10 days after she was launched, while being moved to a different shipyard. Like Unryu she was also carrying a load of Ohka “Baka Bombs” in her hanger when she went down.

@@andrewtaylor940 Wow! Thank you for that interesting information. That is fascinating. I knew they were out there, I just had no idea who, when and where, and my memory failed me. I hope someone makes a video on all these 'planned as one thing but necessity decided otherwise' boats. Its an insight how needs change as fast as a situation does....and how you work a gigantic multi year project around that.

@@VincentNajger1 Actually all of those carrier conversions, except the Shinano, happened in the 1920’s. The needs there was the signing of the Washington Naval Treaty, that sought to limit the ongoing naval arms race, by restricting ship tonnage and types. Other than Shinano most “needs” type conversions that occurred during or in the run up to the war involved building carriers on merchant hulls. What we know as the Escort Carriers. A British idea that the US Navy took and ran with. Cheap slow quick to build carriers to be used to close the mid Atlantic Gap from submarines, ferry aircraft and support landings without tying up the fleet carriers. The Japanese also created a number of “Half Deck Carriers” on Cruisers, such as the badly damaged Mogami. But people often misunderstand what those were. Japanese Doctrine was to avoid using Carrier aircraft for scouting. They didn’t want to weaken their offensive strike. Instead scouting was to be done by the float planes from the Carriers escorting cruisers. The half deck carrier cruisers just sacrificed the rear turrets to instead carry a much larger contingent of scout float planes.

​@andrewtaylor940 Thank-you for taking me back to my grade-school library, 6th grade. Won't say how long ago that was, but I could've called Joe Foss or David McCampbell on the phone, if it had occurred to me.

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@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm - Not necessarily on the suicide thing.

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Nope. There just going to lose alot more carriers if that was the case as well as subs as their sub doctrine was strict

@@gotanon9659 My question indicated less certainty of Japan's defeat than intended. We would have had nukes in 1945, Japan was resource poor, no way they could have prevailed.

No Japan and the axis powers fate was sealed as soon as we entered the war our industrial capacity is unmatched they could never compete look how much material we put out during the war the numbers are mind boggling

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I wouldn't say forced. We had a choice, although I would not have wanted to be the POTUS making that choice. The choice to drop the second bomb was the lesser of the two evils. First, invade mainland Japan, which would cost up to a 2 million deaths, both civilian and allied troops. The first Atomic bomb was dropped on Aug 6, 1945. The Soviets declared war on Japan, Aug 8, 1945. Japan was being strangled from two fronts, the Americans from the sea, air, the Soviets in Manchuria. The second bomb dropped on Aug 9, 1945. Japans Air power was reduced to almost nothing as planes, pilots, fuel was unavailable. In the end, America did not want the USSR to have any influence or territory of Japan. All these things went into the decision to drop the second bomb. Japan surrendered Aug 15, 1945 and this kept the USSR out of Japan. We avoided what happened to Germany post WW2.

​@@marcusanton95 The USSR couldnt take any Mainland territory anyway the Soviets barely have a Navy and The splitting of germany was already set in stone long before any allied and soviet ground forces step foot in germany proper

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Capt. McKay of the USS Indianapolis was tried for not calling “abandon ship” in a timely manner.

Capt. McKay was found guilty and he committed suicide years later. KWM

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You just disrespected all Japanese people who have a belly button (navel). That is pretty near all of 'em.

Another gem from @user-tp- etcetera. Just slow down and proof read your comments since you do not have spell check or Grammarly. You have some very worthwhile things to say to us.

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Ok I will note that for the future! Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

They couldn't even afford a human narrator. Animated maps may be a stretch.

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@@HiddenHistoryYT keep making those great videos

Except for using wrong pictures !

@@gowdsake7103 he EXPLAINED that. … actual photos of those vessels haven’t been found or don’t exist

Yes. A human narrator would fix that.

Midway movie that came out a few years ago

@@HiddenHistoryYT thanks looks like a good movie.haven't seen it yet.

@@311Bob I enjoy it, definitely worth a watch!

Then why don't you make your own video(s)... for your liking? Ciao, L

The only way to do that is with a human narrator. Do not expect that to happen with "Hidden History".

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This cannot be a serious comment. At best, it is a comment that makes "@Adiscretefirm" look silly and goofy. At worst it makes "@Adis....whatever" look ignorant and poorly educated. Thousands of serious You Tube viewers will be reading this comment by "@Adis...". Does anyone truly think those viewers will be impressed, enlightened or entertained by the comment?

​@@roberthenry9319 it is a facetious comment used to point out the utter futility of a navy building advanced fleet carriers they only used as transport vessels or show pieces. Anyone that can't figure that out should probably focus on their own comprehension instead of other's potential confusion. Are you really ignorant of the 20 year old "this is fine" meme?

Not my watermark

@@HiddenHistoryYT Obviously. But the decision to use those clips was yours.

Sorry it’s not my logo

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Trashy computer voice. No respect for viewers. This is the best they can do. Pretty pathetic.

Friend of yours or just name dropping?

Lol

@@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm This is pretty darn good, William Murphy. I love it.

Yes. This is the computer voice talking. It also says "star-board". Is anyone impressed by such trash?

Thank you @seanlabrador.... Very helpful. Why didn't I think of that. "P".

Japan Mitbousouki

Japan Klappasaki

The computer voice does not know the word "victory". That is a tragedy.

Many of the Kamikaze were cadet pilots with barely enough experience to land. I seem to recall the the kamikaze Corp, actually damaged and sank more shipping than they claimed.

The navy didn’t like the army so it’s not surprising that they didn’t tell them about the lost carriers. They also didn’t tell the public. Even the Midway wounded were hidden away from view.

@@marnold2791 Can you imagine what meetings were like where the Army laid out plans for defense? "What"? "Oh we should keep two carriers nearby in case they are needed?" "Sure no problem general"!

Same thing I saw when reading this comment my friend :)

@@HiddenHistoryYT Great reply from Hidden History. Regardless of the computer voice, this video had awesome information, marvelous retrieval of authentic film and extremely impressive research and editing. The amount of time spent on this video was incredible. It was not "blah blah blah". The video is a treasure.

@@roberthenry9319 greatly appreciate that Robert! Have a wonderful day :)

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Golly, @user- etc., Do help us with what you are saying here. Is this something really important that we are all missing?