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It’s a decision that pro and amateur golfers face on drivable par 4’s, should you play aggressive or play safe? In this episode of The Game Plan, Golf Digest Senior Editor Luke Kerr-Dineen looks at Los Angeles Country Club’s short 6th hole, and explains how pros use stats to figure out the best strategy on drivable Par 4s
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@OBL1V1ONsnipez
@OBL1V1ONsnipez 11 месяцев назад
Dagger to my heart when he said high handicap then showed 15 lol
@9e7exkbzvwpf7c
@9e7exkbzvwpf7c 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, by that metric I’m an astronomical handicap.
@AdrianwithaW
@AdrianwithaW 11 месяцев назад
Mate saaaaame 😢
@brucebarry1204
@brucebarry1204 11 месяцев назад
Haha my thoughts exactly! That was my biggest takeaway 😢
@andyr5389
@andyr5389 3 месяца назад
I feel you. To help you out. Remember, he is talking about pros, which are about a +6. So slide the scale right. They move to zero. High handicap is now -21. Feel better?
@OBL1V1ONsnipez
@OBL1V1ONsnipez 3 месяца назад
Since this message I am now a 8.4 handicap so I felt better anyways lol, but now, now with that scale,🤣 gotta be top 10% lol@@andyr5389
@loicdesroches9441
@loicdesroches9441 11 месяцев назад
The thing is for mid handicaper : The risk of being OB and completely missing the drive is more there than hitting a 5 iron. But for pros, the stat is true.
@__d.y
@__d.y 11 месяцев назад
I'm probably still going OB with my 5 iron
@timwenger7750
@timwenger7750 11 месяцев назад
its the proper strategy for high handicappers as well, chunking one with a 4i or sending that OB doesnt stop becoming an option because you left the driver in the bag
@JS4Eag
@JS4Eag 10 месяцев назад
I didn’t think this is true. Mid-high handicappers do not tend to be reliable with long irons. The miss is often worse bc they are further away than they would’ve been had they just topped or sliced their drive.
@AaronEvans-ut2ge
@AaronEvans-ut2ge 6 месяцев назад
@@timwenger7750 but you go OB less often with 5 iron than driver (and chunking is less punitive than OB since no penalty stroke) so you would have to do the math.
@AaronEvans-ut2ge
@AaronEvans-ut2ge 6 месяцев назад
@@JS4Eag did back of envelope calculation of 20 index hitting driver 220 vs 160 club using usgs bogey yardage rating with OB on both sides. looked like both strategies had the same strokes lost. That doesn't include the psychological effect of looking at OB and tensing up.
@lawbinson
@lawbinson 11 месяцев назад
Unfortunately for anyone not on tour, the risk of a lost ball is high as well
@Droogs
@Droogs 11 месяцев назад
That's what we need more of in professional golf, risk/reward.
@BenWaltonNYC
@BenWaltonNYC 11 месяцев назад
I agree!
@DjPelland
@DjPelland 11 месяцев назад
I think the whole point of this video is that there is no risk/reward. Only reward - for going for it.
@Droogs
@Droogs 11 месяцев назад
@@DjPelland There is always risk, my friend.
@good2epic
@good2epic 11 месяцев назад
Read Lowest Score Wins. Great guide to applying this kind of calculus to your own game.
@nicksalvatore9
@nicksalvatore9 11 месяцев назад
Excellent video GD!
@BenWaltonNYC
@BenWaltonNYC 11 месяцев назад
Wow this video is awesome. LKD is the GOAT. Always giving out smart takes.
@kw12784
@kw12784 11 месяцев назад
Funny...I can't stand the guy because of some of his horrendous takes🤔
@wadesworld6250
@wadesworld6250 11 месяцев назад
It's true for pros, but less true for higher-handicap amateurs. They don't have the skill to hit a short-sided flop to get the ball close. They are an absolute disaster out of bunkers. They can't get it close out of ankle deep rough or a hazard. When they hit that 3-wood to try to get it close to the par-5 green in two, they're likely to hit It off the planet into the woods or water. In general, higher-handicap amateurs are better off doing what gives them the most simple shot. While they may occasionally catch lightning in a bottle and make the aggressive shot pay off, more often than not, they're going to turn the aggressive play into a big number.
@RayNLA
@RayNLA 11 месяцев назад
Heyyyy…Speak for yourself! If we do pull it off we can talk about it for years to come. 😂❤
@bagstv2755
@bagstv2755 11 месяцев назад
keep in mind that the high handicappers don't play on such tough courses. anyway, unless you're a scratch golfer you probably shouldnt be giving advice
@JonasKFriedChicken
@JonasKFriedChicken 11 месяцев назад
The high handicapper can just as easily put their approach shot in a horrible place.
@ericschroeder8932
@ericschroeder8932 11 месяцев назад
Mark Broadie disagrees with you. Read Every Shot Counts. The data backs it up.
@bagstv2755
@bagstv2755 11 месяцев назад
@@JonasKFriedChicken highly likely. aim as best you can to the area and itll prob turn into a lay up anyway
@YourBoySB
@YourBoySB 8 месяцев назад
If you’re not playing for money or in a tournament, go for it. That way if you get comfortable hitting longer clubs at small targets, when you find yourself in a win or lose situation in a money game etc, you’ll be more comfortable with the shot. You at least want it as an option vs not even considering it as an option bc you’ve never really tried it.
@Brandon-youtube
@Brandon-youtube 11 месяцев назад
If I had spotters I would do this more often but man I lose balls in the fairway I swear
@andreashauri2087
@andreashauri2087 9 месяцев назад
My decision is also influenced by the fact, that I do not have the certainty to find the ball again, even if it is in the rough close to the green after a good 1st shot. Pros playing in tournaments do not have to worry about this, becasue there are always spectators and staff around the green, spotting the ball.
@mariooo88
@mariooo88 4 месяца назад
Being able to find the ball is a skill everyone develops through years! Well actually not everyone, because not everyone realizes it's a skill you can train and get better at.
@natureboyricflair8555
@natureboyricflair8555 11 месяцев назад
I applaud the effort that went into this video. Content creators should take note
@kyle381000
@kyle381000 3 месяца назад
Fair enough. However, the risk/reward ratios are different for pros than they are for weekend players. Pros are going to make a lot of up-and-downs because they usually have great short games while weekend players generally do not.
@AsadKhan-lm6yr
@AsadKhan-lm6yr 11 месяцев назад
Have you forgotten that Mito Perreira threw away the PGA championship staying aggressive on the 18th hole. Sometimes conservative isn’t a bad option…even for professionals!
@parkermixes8851
@parkermixes8851 11 месяцев назад
Mito wasnt even being aggressive. He just made a terrible swing. Its a 491 par 4.... Do you want him to not hit driver? lol. He's one ahead. Say he sits back and misses a putt now he's in playoff anyway. Driver was always the play; Mito just made a bad mistake.
@nicholasshaffer5542
@nicholasshaffer5542 11 месяцев назад
That swing he made with driver was a fairway finder attempt and looked nothing like his normal/aggressive swing
@YourBoySB
@YourBoySB 8 месяцев назад
Mito just got in his own head and made a bad swing. Happens to the best of em. I felt bad for him bc I actually like him as a player.
@ruffmatt1982
@ruffmatt1982 Месяц назад
This makes sense for a pro or very low handicap golfer. For a double digit handicap or highers i would say their lack of control over where a drive goes could have them hitting 2,3,4.... Balls off the tee before they got one in play
@cbarnett1814
@cbarnett1814 2 месяца назад
Well, it makes sense that closer to the hole is better. But I think the math changes when there’s water hazards by the green because the penalty strokes for going into the water are going to make the average score of the aggressive strategy much higher.
@GolfBusters
@GolfBusters 11 месяцев назад
Love these!
@ryanalbers750
@ryanalbers750 11 месяцев назад
1:55 why is Rory 70 years old here 😂
@mrdune5479
@mrdune5479 11 месяцев назад
If they make rough deeper and the hazards more difficult it might change the status quo
@tylersouthcott3359
@tylersouthcott3359 21 день назад
It’s fundamentally flawed to use professionals data to make decisions as a mid to high handicap. If you’re a mid to high and you want to lower your scores, key number one is eliminating doubles and then reducing bogeys. NOT by sneaking out more birdies. If it’s just a short par four with no specific danger, sure go for it. If the shot risking a penalty or OB for precision… keep the big number off. Get a wedge in your hand and just hit the green. You may pick up a fraction of a stroke on the closer drive but if you go hazard or OB you’re guaranteeing yourself a lost full stroke or two
@danielkim7024
@danielkim7024 11 месяцев назад
When he said high handicap and the number only went to 15 🥲
@FM-db3ft
@FM-db3ft 11 месяцев назад
How good is your short game vs how good is your 100 yd shot?
@magnuscroify
@magnuscroify 11 месяцев назад
"Archaeologically"? ....
@boskey10
@boskey10 15 дней назад
During the 2007 Masters, Zach Johnson did not reach a single par five in two during the entire Tournament. Yet he played the par fives better than anyone esle in the feild with 11 birdies and not a single bogey.
@RayNLA
@RayNLA 11 месяцев назад
I agree! 😂
@michaelmason9891
@michaelmason9891 11 месяцев назад
They designed the hole like a duck, with the green being the ducks bill.
@elscruffomcscruffy8371
@elscruffomcscruffy8371 Месяц назад
The answer comes down the situation: aee you behind and need to be more aggressive? Or happy being conservative and leaving picking up strokes to other holes.
@superduperawesome6858
@superduperawesome6858 11 месяцев назад
Go for the bunkers 🤔
@rahoulkille7458
@rahoulkille7458 11 месяцев назад
Not sure how having spotters must effect those %?
@Austin-hm6qq
@Austin-hm6qq 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, you should probably lay up... but just IMAGINE if you got it there
@raytownloc
@raytownloc 11 месяцев назад
The lesson of Tin Cup is take your drop. Like his caddy said he can pitch it on and still make par and go to a playoff.
@kriskaay
@kriskaay 2 месяца назад
Depends how your chip game is.
@Ddamien-th8nh
@Ddamien-th8nh 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the data, I tee up in about two hours. No laying up for this grinder.
@AM-my3jk
@AM-my3jk 11 месяцев назад
Give me another ball
@someperson3883
@someperson3883 Месяц назад
I always lay up on drivable Par 4’s. Not because I want to but because I can’t reach it
@adamstewart12
@adamstewart12 11 месяцев назад
must be nice to play courses with out of bounds misses ha unfortunately for those of us who play courses with out of bounds and not hazards, we cant afford to be aggressive because the miss doesn't lead to a bogey or double, it leads to a Non return
@ynkybomber
@ynkybomber 11 месяцев назад
Par is good, I play up
@manbearpig2u
@manbearpig2u 2 месяца назад
All im hearing is “bombs away boys.” See you on the green! (The wrong green.. but a green nonetheless 😂)
@calebhallberg9938
@calebhallberg9938 11 месяцев назад
I'm confused, so should I attack or should I lay up?...
@andreysto1202
@andreysto1202 11 месяцев назад
It's more about how good your short game is. And this is where we (amateurs) suck the most!..)
@joshramirez7
@joshramirez7 11 месяцев назад
That hole is very similar to 10 at Riviera. The green is super thin, and if your short sided or long, the green is not receptive. Laying up is probably the smarter move.
@Makkaer1111
@Makkaer1111 11 месяцев назад
Did you even watch the video, the scoring average at riveria's tenth hole has gone done as more people have gone for the green (5:50)
@billsteezie641
@billsteezie641 11 месяцев назад
And that’s why drivable par 4’s are a bore. They all just go for it. If the risk was higher, and say 50% of the field were to lay up, then it would be interesting. Then the choice would be interesting and so would the execution, or lack of. But if everyone chooses just to hit and hope, then it’s a poor golf hole.
@jz4461
@jz4461 11 месяцев назад
Do you think the same thing for a longer par 4? Every player is going for the green in two, so those holes must be boring too
@bagstv2755
@bagstv2755 11 месяцев назад
theres a bit more than hope in there Billsy. Im actually shocked that pro golfers want to get it in the hole in the least shots as possible.
@creamabdul-jabbar6722
@creamabdul-jabbar6722 2 месяца назад
So basically go for it as long as it doesn't put you in trouble. Because youre closer
@rooboy69
@rooboy69 11 месяцев назад
Pros drive it because they have a vastly better short game...and that consists of playing bad lies as well as good....high handicappers do not and thus risk getting a poor lie and shooter a 6. You guys are just not reading the stats correctly...players in 2003 didn't have the equipment and skill level of players now in the short game department.
@etzared8908
@etzared8908 2 месяца назад
So, in summary, modern equipment has broken even the best designed holes.
@Karboooo
@Karboooo 11 месяцев назад
this dude's voice is brutal
@panchorita5933
@panchorita5933 11 месяцев назад
Why he kept saying sith green? Is there a star wars joke somewhere?
@JustusSeiber
@JustusSeiber 11 месяцев назад
Can’t wait to hear Colt Knost interject his (wrong) opinion next week at the US open when guys are going for it lol. He just doesn’t like stats I guess
@meejinhuang
@meejinhuang 11 месяцев назад
Most mortals should lay up to be safe. If you have the distance, give it a try.
@lakedog3616
@lakedog3616 3 месяца назад
Tin cup was a stupid movie . Under no circumstances would he a golfer ever be celebrated for being that stupid.
@nick3221
@nick3221 2 месяца назад
Get a different person to do the voiceover. This guy is unlistenable
@bryanciaccia6231
@bryanciaccia6231 11 месяцев назад
Layups are for basketball. 💥🏌🏻‍♂️
@thedadgolfer
@thedadgolfer 11 месяцев назад
Lame
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