Your Squad/Team Leader tells you to put a round somewhere..you don’t say anything, you put it there. Ammo is cheap, regret is too expensive and life is precious.
I remember being a driver and gunner in a 4 vehicle humvee convoy. We were PSD (personal security detail) for a Lt. colonel. Many times I had to tell my convoy to stop and they brought out EOD to remote detonate a burlap sack that was wired to blow. For the first few years driving state side, I would drive like I was in Iraq. Avoiding suspicious looking objects on the sides of the road. I got stopped by a police officer and he asked if I was intoxicated. He realized I wasn’t and I explained to him that my head was stuck on a swivel after just recently ETSing after my return from Iraq. He let me go and sighed and told me to try and let go of that stress. It took me a few more months but I truly was going through severe PTSD. Currently it’s not driving but I am still always strapped. I used to carry a sew kit in case I got cut I could sew myself up. I was a great soldier but with that comes many quirks. Not every lesson learned in war translates to civilian appropriate actions.
I'm sorry for the pain and damage caused by your service. My father and many of his friends were the same I don't think ptsd was known then I hope the military is better at helping you and your fellow service men & women I also hope your family is able to get some assistance as well it can be difficult for them as well I THANK YOU,YOUR FELLOW BROTHERS & SISTERS, YOUR FAMILIES many things you were ordered to & needed to do changed you and unfortunately you will never talk about
Not "was"...you are a great soldier. Dont self-reject. Negative opinions of others do not dictate your future...especially when they dont know shit other than living a sheltered life in their safe bubbles those of us have afforded them.
I'm sorry, I can't imagine. My stepson, he hated being in the Humvee on roads not fully built. He died from the Humvee overturned in a ditch full of water. They'd been in it for two days, nodding off to sleep, taking turns. It was his turn in the gunner seat. We lost him two days before Thanksgiving, we got to see him on leave just a few weeks before. They put a gate up in honor of him CPL Darrell Smith, Smith Gate, a burn victim unit because he believed that no person should be turned away from getting help. Everyone loved him and he was a really good soldier. Much love and respect to you and blessings, Thank you for your service!
I got a close friend serve and was in charge of vip secure or clearance of vip mettings he saw a lot and did a lot close hand when and got hit with a mortar got a big scare on his head and a lot of close combat dimples on his body and when a cop and judge told home to get over his PTsd it hurt cus you guys go threw so much and do so much you guys learn to survive this civilians don’t know the hardship and survival you guys have to go threw
My driving instructor was a retired police force defensive driving instructor. He was sensational. He has saved me & my kids many times with his wisdom regarding road conditions. Never underestimate oil, ice, snow, gravel, sand, trees and bushes in bad places etc. drive for conditions & pay attention.
@@Steamboat2016 not sure if they are spotters in this but if they then it's even more true, as spotters are almost always the more experienced/better one out of a sniper team
The Raufoss he's talking about is an incendiary round made in Norway. The Raufoss Mk 211 is a .50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO) multi-purpose anti-materiel high-explosive incendiary/armor-piercing ammunition projectile produced by Nammo under the model name NM140 MP. It is commonly referred to as multipurpose or Raufoss, meaning red waterfall in Norwegian. This refers to Nammo's precursor company Raufoss Ammunisjonsfabrikker, an ammunition manufacturer established 1896 in Raufoss, Norway.
That wasn't a .50 BMG rifle. & I am fairly sure raufoss rounds don't come in 7.62x51 NATO. Movies still not getting things right, what with "experts" all over the interwebs, criticizing EVERYTHING!!
@@r.m.m.1706 Yeah it would have been just a API(Armor piercing incendiary) round if it was a 7.62. Although in real life the PPCLI which was the group here was know to carry the McMillan TAC-50 and could have had raufoss rounds, so it might have been that the 50 cal rifle was actually carried but was just to awkward for moving around in the movie.
Have 2 close friends that were part of Hyena Road. When the movie came out and we went with them to watch it in theatres, Mike had to get up and walk out. We found him shaking in the hallway. PTSD hit him so hard, especially with the real life footage of the soldiers carrying the caskets off the plane at the end. Mike was part of that footage, carrying his friends and he was brought RIGHT back there. Takes moments like this to really understand how traumatic war is on one’s self.
Raufoss Mk 211 costs ~$75, the construction: Incendiary compound, followed by high explosive, followed by tungsten core for penitration cased with steel and lead base for additional mass. Zirconium powder is used inside the jacket to separate explosives and base from the tungsten core. Anything on the business end of that round isn't walking way. 🇺🇲
Insightful thank you to both @viking4130 and @hadensnodgrass3472 I wasn’t privy to this and your comments were easy to read without being condescending about semantics. Thx
I find it weird, since my father worked there as an engineer for 6 years, nobody ever talked about Canada soldiers being there. Media bs, I guess. But, thank you.
Luckily I found all IEDs that were in my path. Thanks to the intel and training. One time I was the front runner out in the area a tcn’s truck stalled out so another convoy passed me. I told them not to and a couple hours later we passed them and their front vehicle was gone. Only a tire and tow bar was left. I had an MRAP they had a Humvee. It really sucks but I blame whatever unit it was for having a humvee as a front vehicle. I guess what I’m saying is concentrate on the lives you save(d) but remember those who you lost. What is meant to be will be. If you dwell on the past it will consume you and you’ll for sure not be focused on the present and lose the future. Lost way more soldiers stateside after the deployment than we did in Iraq.
what is meant to be will be, if you dwell on the past it will consume you and you'll for sure not be focused on the present and lose the future. this statement hit me Sir...how do you not dwell on the past, if your past affects you so much. how do. you free yourself free yourself from that? thank you for your service Sir...🙏
@@kakasotto3rd444 honestly it took a long time 5 years or so (I did it by myself no therapy.) Being in the infantry taught me to embrace the suck drive on. I had some really dark days so I started every morning with it’s a great f***ing day regardless of the weather. You control the present, the present dictates the future. You can not and will not ever control the past. It’s a mindset. Your brain is the powerful tool you have. Just so happens it can also destroy you if you allow it. Only you have control of it. If you’re depressed change your mindset. Learning being sad is okay anger is secondary emotion. If you feel angry it’s because you’re actually mad because how a situation made you feel. Recognize how the brain works and how you can control it. Everyone has different life experiences and situations. Everyone deals with those situations/experiences differently through emotions. Me I alienated myself from my family because I didn’t want to feel like a burden during my dark days. I then decided I’ll talk to them about my experiences they were more understanding of me and what I was going through. If you’re a sports guy it’s like a QB you can’t think about that interception or that last game you lost. It’s the next play or game. It’s a mindset and that is something only YOU can control. Stay present stay positive and love conquers all. Learn from losses and grow with your wins. Hope this helps peace be upon you.
Big thanks to every single brave woman and man, from USA and Canada and all our alliances and their families for everything they have and still do because the memories do stay with you forever.
The cost of that round upset Trudeau so much simply because he has no concept about the value of soldiers, In his tiny little mind soldiers don’t make money for him to squander they only cost him ,he will tell the chief of defence to cut spending so he can get the snowflake vote
I'm sorry that you live with that my friend. But from the bottom of my heart, thank you for your sacrifice and service. You said 46 years, do you mind my asking where you were deployed? I know Nam had ended by that point, which is why I ask.
A movie about a few JTF2 operations would be really interesting. But our boys don't walk around swinging their dicks looking for recognition like other special forces. JTF2 operates by the motto of “deeds not words.” People didn't know they even existed for over 20 years.
@@Jagabot_Esq.I’ve only ever heard of one former JTF2 member talk about his time with the squad, Dallas Alexander. He did a podcast with the Shawn Ryan Show, worth a watch.
All of the vets in the comments here… my dad my uncle my grandad and my grandmother are all vets who survived war over seas and lived it every day since they came home. And I want to say thank you. ❤❤🙏🙏💙💙 It’s not much, but every day I want you to know someone is sending their love and gratitude to you.
I've been reading several of these comments. Doing so has gave me an overwhelming urge to shout-out to all of you that served. Sincerely from the bottom of my heart I thank you for your bravery and your sacrifice. Thank you
From the documentaries that I have seen, and the interviews…yep. Spotters are insane. Snipers are brilliant, but spotters are truly scary. Trained to see the weirdest shapes and out of place things. Love this scene. True veterans can pick it apart but as a civilian this seems really accurate to the descriptions I’ve heard of Middle East war veterans.
it's not just training, the people who become spotters are gifted with perception in a neurological and psychological sense due to thousands of years of pressure on our species overall, to be observant, in our past we needed people like them to spot threats, and hunting targets, we'll always need them.
The spotters are the more experienced of the two. They can both do each other's jobs. The spotter is doing the range and wind calls and the shooter is just holding and firing.
@@PoliticallyInsensitivethe spotter and the sniper are the exact same thing. As a Marine sniper, we are all trained to spot and snipe, and just swap around turns on who does which job.
Spotters are just snipers who aren’t shooting the weapon at the time, but the sniper can do the spotter job and vice versa. There is no difference in their military training, just which member of their sniper team has the weapon at the time
@@PoliticallyInsensitive In my day, Spotters had to be rated as well as Shooters as they had to know the weapons and round characteristics just as well as the one pulling the trigger. And you don't learn that from a book. They did both positions in the team.
This technique in Military EOD is known as SMUD (Stand-off Munitions Disruption) A soldier uses his service weapon to disrupt and neutralize munition from a standoff distance in order to achieve a low-order detonation.) You can basically shoot an IED from a long and safe distance with an Armour Piercing Incendiary...
Ok cool but do they always wonder If it’s just a bad patch of road, or say it’s probably nothing? This is one of the best scenes in cinema history, absolutely spellbinding
When I worked at an armored car company my truck partner used to laugh at me for looking up at this 2nd story overpass/walkway that crossed over my path into the building. One day he finally asked me "What do you think there are going to be snipers up there?" and all I said was "If I were going to rob us that is where I would be."
@@becomeracer7041 Honestly compared to BOB and The Pacific it’s not even close to being as good as those two, and I’m a huge aviation buff. Big let down after waiting all those years.
In the third shot, during the “incendiary round” you could see an ammo box looking thing in the scene when he scopes the patch on the road. It wasn’t there in the prior shots. As a sniper myself, my eyes are still trained like this squad’s leader.
Soldiers in overwatch identified something not normal in the area. They assessed it was an attempt to target a vehicle mounted patrol on its way to what they had identified. The dark patches in the road stood, it indicated they were newly laid. Insurgents had observed their enemy using that route and assessed they would do so again. It would not have been surprising for there to have been dismounted enemy nearby waiting for the lead vehicle to take damage and block the route forward. Dismounted enemy to the rear and flank had the ability to cover the ambush by fire and increase the casualties.
And then the one guy said “it’s probably nothing, could easily be just a bad patch of road” I was simply overstimulated when one smart soldier replied “what if you’re wrong?!” And then all hell was unleashed on that road with the entire might of the US military until it exploded and became a bad patch of road in every sense of the word
When my brother in law came back from his second tour he passed trash pile on side of highway he had a anxiety attack pulled over called his mom me and his sister was their we were all calming him down gave him anxiety cause while serving the first and second tour he was in a humvee that got flipped over a huge ditch he survived that 1 the second tour there humvee got blown he said like just flipping really fast till final land he got injured in that one but not bad thank goodness
If this post sounds awkward, I understand, but please give him the most intense sincere group hug possible, and tell him it's from hearts of many of us who wish we could take away that haunt from him and others like him who have to deal with that daily. Thank him, please, for his service. And thank you all, too, for your service as his family support.
I served in Iraq. In training, we were told all "patches" in the road were IEDs. Someone said, "What if it's the Iraqi Highway department." The instructor's response: "There IS NO Iraqi Highway Department."
This is the PTSD our soldiers have to deal with coming home. I work in asphalt industry and we sell asphalt to state and county workers to do patch work. I've brought up this to management to put up some kind of marker on the shoulder to relieve soldiers stress knowing when they see the marker they know its safe to cross...
After 2 tours. Route clearance fucked me up for years. Seeing trash, dead animals, vehicles getting really close. Still wouldn't give up my experience and the brotherhood. All worth it. All you vets out there, stay strong. I love you all and God loves you. Keep your heads up.
And then people don't understand that some soldiers and people in that region have ptsd or panick just by seeing something that could be no no over there..😢
Well that pit in the road reflects a shadow across, so there would be a sniper nest 🪺 on the rear end with the sun facing south from them, that would allow them to reflect light off their range finder to capture light frequencies from an accompanying camera capture card connected to a terminal that processes light frequencies. In order to spy on incoming signals and traffic while they pass through or to set up the flow of incoming channels to make it easier to capture straits and pathways from a distance perspective.
True to life, as this is how the very large amount of soldiers died, lost limbs and some with ptsd. It’s not bad to make a hero in the movie, I am sure the soldiers shot at anything out of the ordinary on the side or middle of the road without caring if there is a backstop. The explosion is typical of a heavy bomb burred in the road. This would have given the toughest soldier PTSD THANK YOU for your Service Ladies and Gentlemen
IEDs just might though. It wouldn't make sense in that region to put in actual anti-tank mines (Russian TM 62 for example) on a paved road. IEDs are easier to acquire and most cost effective. And IED manufacture was a national sport there.
I watched this yesterday. Started with Jarhead then moved to Black Hawk Down and this one. Then ended with Mosul. Which was almost the best. Second best of these, behind Black Hawk Down.
The fine folks at Raufoss successfully miniaturized the Mk 211 Mod 0 multipurpose .51 caliber projectile into a 253 grain .338 caliber projectile. .308 Winchester architecture could be adapted to .338 Federal Ackley Improved. This would get you 2,500 fps or so from a 20 inch barrel, going transsonic at 1,074 meters at standard temperature and pressure. 0.554 ballistic coefficient, to clarify. 4,300 fps from a 20 inch barrel for a 90 grain .224 diameter ALCO projectile with a 0.627 ballistic coefficient. Maybe 4,375 fps from a 20 inch barrel. So that's like 2,368 to 2,398 yards of effective range at standard temperature and pressure. 20% weight reduction for the saboted 90 grain vs M118LR, for example. True Ballistics'steel and polymer cartridge cases, in addition to being super hella uniform in chamber dimensions and internal volume (no vertical stringing at long range due to remarkable consistency of volume) cuts 30% of the weight from a 168 grain .308 Winchester cartridge. Conceivably as much as 50% weight reduction could be implemented for M118LR's 400 grains (25.9 grams). If one selected the Kel-Tec RFB for a modified platform for the .338 Federal Ackley Improved chambering, with the original flash hider overall length would come in under 30 inches for a 20 inch barreled weapon. 4,300 fps saboted load gets identical recoil impulse to M118LR, 4,375 fps gets 5% more recoil than M118LR, so identical gas system architecture can likely be adapted in these weapon systems. That's the best use of .308 Winchester chambered weapons that I can think of. A simple barrel swap and maybe a little gas system adaptation is all that would be required 1:7 twist recommended for sufficient gyroscopic stability of the 90 grain ALCO Bullets' projectile down to 1.0 Mach. It's a little tight for the 253 grain .338 caliber multipurpose projectile but that's okay. 20 round box magazines or 50 round drums are currently available for a variety of weapons systems in .308 Winchester. Let's all give thanks to the fine folks at Raufoss in Norway for being such gangster badasses and giving us this round.
Tech advice and fact checking was lacking on this otherwise excellent film. PGW Coyote's largest caliber is 7.62x51 NATO. The Raufoss round, made by NAMMO, is .50 Cal. That would require the use of the PGW LRT-3. PGW is a Canadian company making fantastic product!
This happens all to many times. But what your not seeing is the fact that they have snippers also watching out for us. When we fire they get a lock on our locations and try to take us out.
Grandfather late WW1, father and several uncles WW2, first husband, 2 brothers and several cousins Vietnam, nephew Desert Storm, adopted son-in -law three deployments in 2nd Gulf war, son and daughter-in-law currently Army reservists…long, proud military heritage runs through my family. I am grateful all but one came home alive, if somewhat changed by their experiences. Thank you to all who have served, are currently serving, and especially to those who paid the ultimate price for their service. Forever in my heart.❤
Gut feeling. Instinct. Spider senses. Guys this is why it is important to 'feel' your emotions and to trust in them. Females your emotions/ feelings are not irrelevant. Flipside - it works both ways.
@michaelchevreaux7780 ever had that gut feeling despite everything you can see, analyze, and prove... that path leading down Deaths Valley feels different... yet the ice-chills crawl right up your spine when you look over "greener lands"... Intuition/ gut feeling it's an inner knowing you MUST follow. Physical senses can't perceive it, not even the best intel nor tech gears. Marines follow it. Trained from the inside out on all aspects. Develop internal software - Consciousness. D'Jedi.
@michaelchevreaux7780 ever had that gut feeling despite everything you can see, analyze, and prove... that path leading down Deaths Valley feels different... yet the ice-chills crawl right up your spine when you look over "greener lands"... Intuition/ gut feeling it's an inner knowing you MUST follow. Physical senses can't perceive it, not even the best intel nor tech gears. Marines follow it. Trained from the inside out on all aspects. Develop internal software - Consciousness. D'Jedi.
@michaelchevreaux7780 Also, pilots follow that inner knowing despite all training and VFRs. On a physical spectrum. They follow that gut feeling. Then they analyze all aspects of why later after what happened, happened. Shxt can't be explained within the physical spectrum. Not arguing the fact. Just giving you the FlipSde in others' everyday world. I see your angle, know there are higher angles. FlipSde
I did route clearance and village stability ops. It's very rare to shoot at IEDs and unheard of on paved roads. Occasionally we'd use mk19s to proof sus choke points on dirt roads and wadis, but that was only in very rushed circumstances. Realistically they'd of moved the vehicles up closer to jam frequencies to block remote controlled ieds and dismounted off the sides of the road to search for command wire and to visually inspect the culvert. The IED could of easily been disarmed and safely removed from the culvert without destroying the entire road.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. First off the cgi blast is large. Way larger than any I've seen. Also this, would a fired round actually detonate an ied that is under pavement? Doesmt seem likely. I'm referring to the normal pr regular rounds.
The jugs or uxos were most likely inside the culvert with a pressure plate on the road. Shooting a piece of metal wrapped in plastic and tape that's probably the width of a finger burried under rocks in a pothole at the right angle to make contact and complete the circuit is like a 1 in a billion probability. The cgi blast did suck. Made it look like the whole road exploded. The biggest ied craters I've seen were 8 to 10 feet wide. Explosives always take the path of least resistance so once it busts a hole thru the pavement the blast will rush out of it leaving a relatively small hole.
This movie was extremely unrealistic. The dude who wrote and produced it showed up on my tour to speak to our snipers for authnticity and pretty much ingored everything that was passed on to him. Canadian soldiers do not say "Good Copy" when on comms is just one example on this short. I tried to watch it when it came out, but I really could no stomach the inaccuracies.
@@Wookie_oo7 ; what I meant was that depending on the subject of the comms, we would say, "Roger," or "Send Over", or "Acknowledged Over". The phrase "Good Copy" is not taught to Canadian Armed Forces personnel. It is not part of our voice procedure, so we would never say it. In the example of the short, the crew commander would simply have said either "Roger" or "Acknowledged"
So you're saying his poor radio procedures caused you to not be able to watch this? 🤔 interesting. I think there is an episode of Rambo playing that may be more to your liking brother. 😉
@@3man659 looks like you are right actually they for whatever reason used the coyote which is a training rifle as a stand in for the timberwolf they used a McMillan stock more commonly seen on the timberwolf as well for whatever reason
@@altanis1499No shit? I'll have to get some. Lookin at it again, idfk know why i thought it was a 6.5 cheytac. Probably cuz thats what theyd likely actually be using....of course thats according to my friends who actually did that kinda shit and I wasnt there.
For those curious, the M211 incendiary round wouldn't be fired out of a rifle like the one Hickey was using. That rifle is way too small and the M211 is a .50 BMG. Just a little nag.
