The Sopranos - Was Little Carmine Secretly a Genius? 

Little Carmine did what Tony and Jackie Sr. wanted their sons to do: go legal and get as far away as possible from the mob

@HeadshotTatertot93 robert jr isn’t a criminal he is actor

@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 you’re being serious? Google is your friend.

@@asdetailshop Other than those incidents from his Druggie-Days, how is RDjr a criminal? If those are what you’re referring to - the time he went into the wrong house and slept in the wrong bed, etc - that’s pretty weak, calling that behavior “Criminal”, although it IS, technically, a “Crime”.

@@tuckercarlsonsmicropenis1283 it’s classified as a crime by the government, which makes him a criminal. Take it up with the DOJ, not me.

He also was rich from the start. That's a big difference. He had something to lose from the word go. Same with AJ and Meadow.

He was very allegorical

@@trple2 AJ and Meadow…. Whatever happened there…

@@manuel_winde Too much cloak and dagger. Tony hiding everything from them was good in a way. Protected them from certain risks. But also stunted their development in terms of understanding the world. He was always lying so never was honest enough with them to parent well, in my opinion. They turned out ok though. And have some money to figure it out. Really all you can ask in the situation they were all coming out of.

I wouldn’t call it a lack of ego. Right sized is more like it

He had over 9 pictures subspecies under his belt

@@atx1722 the sacred and the propane

@@ajkoots258 In a stagmire

​@@atx1722 10 after Cleaver

Let's go thousandth like

We measuring gold in gallons now?

@@ferghalicious1480 Maybe the gold is molten?

A legitimately intelligent statement? The irony of the final comment in contrast to what you were trying to say 😂

Gold can be measured in gallons, though that would be like weighing air. In fact, one of the ways precious metals are compared is by cubic centimeters of displacement. And, if you don't think a pint of blood is more valuable than any amount of gold, then go have a conversation with anyone that suffers from hemophilia.

@@ferghalicious1480 Gallons are a volume unit, which you can measure anything physical in.

He correctly interprets the mellifluous box.

I think that means he just has insight, which I'm not sure Tony really has the capacity to do because he's got a sociopath's brain. He knows he's miserable but he doesn't have the mental capability to deal with it in any meaningful manner.

@@xxczerxx Tony measured his identity against the scale of his own aspirations. In other words, he saw himself as the top dog within a certain group. Striving to retain that position was a challenge and was stressful. It was also rewarding - in terms of prestige, power and affluence. Tony is miserable in part because he knows he's trapped. Trapped because of competition that wants to supplant him and trapped by the forces of the government that are constantly pursuing him. His success is illegitimate (achieved through illegal means). That diminishes him. His status doesn't really show itself outside of his own group. Carmine Jr realized he would never rise to a high level in such an environment so he left. That was a better choice for himself but it was mostly possible because he was generally a failure as a mobster.

Because Tony always makes it about himself and plays the victim like Livia

You mean extrapolate a meaning he wanted.

I Claudius was such a great book. So was Claudius the God. 2 of my favorites.

Excellent analogy - Little Carmine parallels both the literary character and the real Roman Emperor

Little Carmine was a slippery fuck

Very allegorical

@@getzata96 almost propane

He had too much to lose to play the same game as those nitwits.

Agreed. Wisdom and intelligence are not always coronated.

Knowing your own limits is an intelligence that many lack.

The dichotomy of intelligence and Wisdow its fascinating.

He had to be sharp, look at his father

4 in the south beach strumpet series alone!

I saw those. I thought they were bullshit.

@@keithm1493 🤣 the cuban missile crisis!

@@305donkryder8 Pointed missiles right at us.

Don't forget he had Dirty Dousand Plus DVD's each in print!

IDK, that Michael Franceze (spelling?) that does that mob movie reviews said the only way to even have a chance to survive is to be all in or all out. Maybe he was rationalizating his actions but it's seem pretty dangerous to be vying for head of the family or ordering hits without being all in. I'd agree if he stuck to the nightclubs

@@stevekombolis3197 probably true for soldiers, but he was the bosses son and a Lupertazzi. He was also aloud to retire to avoid all out war within the Lupertazzi family. That's not unheard of in the mob.

@@FEWGEE1 Yeah the respect for his father was a big factor probably. I remember them saying a lot of the soldiers were loyal to him so it definitely would have been a war. Still I wouldn't say he was particularly smart but he did a smart thing as far as never really making enemies. He wasn't so much a tactician as he was someone that knew his limitations

There all sorts of different takes in this show, little carmine did play his cards right, learned to be a legitimate business man without really being a mobster and kind of took on taking his fathers place when he died like The Godfather, idk I maybe wrong he was smart in how he handled his life, son of a mobster and turned out okay unlike let’s say how Tony’s own son handled his fathers life of crime

He stayed out of harm's way because he lived in Miami the war didnt reach that far.

😭😭😭😭

20 fucking 20 years but you know what. He comprised

him and some shkefusa got blown back on their keisters

@@area51ville Were they sitting at 12 o'clock?

@@Psychology nah its askew (by the way hilariously google just the word "askew" and the screen isn't at 12 o'clock anymore)

Ironic that Paulie can't even get an actual Italian name right. Oh, well, commendatore. Like a commander. That's respect.

It was so funny

Suntezumas Revenge

孙子 孙子兵法作者

"zu! zu! sun zu you fuckin' asskiss!"

Yes, I'm currently reading Hitler and Stalin by Lawrence Rees. He talks in depth about how Stalin invited his top generals to lavish banquets to ge them drunk and had his servants top his glass up with water only, purely so he could get his general's guard down, ask them their real opinions and then condemn them to the Gulag. These types are absolutely ruthless. I think it pays to never underestimate anyone, however naive or stupid they might appear.

Hey. Hate to cut your mellow trip high here, but.... _tactic???_ Dude, come on, Stalin?... ... ..... I mean, have you seen the Oversimplified video talking about him.... he wasn't dumb, or even played dumb, that's for f.....g sure.

Take a look at Joe Biden...

@@BiteYourBicep ...perfect...

Paulie and Little Carmine

Maybe.

“The shooting”

"God rest his soul"

Did it on purpose to pit them agaianst each other so he could take place as boss

@@cosmicmoose6663 you entirely missed the point-carmine wants Nothing To Do With Being Boss -its the actual interpretaion of his dream with the box

alright then!

That animal blunde.........I can't even say his name

R.I.P. frank Vincent

WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE!?!

@@odinvik7821 the shooting...

He was also the "hair apparent" as Christopher would say.

@@rickiesanders453 I know Silvio’s hair turned out to be apparent, if that’s what you’re referring to

I love that malapropism because it kind of makes sense even though he meant dissent

ALRIGHT THEN!?!…

He came to that conclusion after he was at the precipas of an enormous crossroad

And his sub species money 💰

He was a great 😊 👍 happy 😃 guy

@Otto_Maddox no, hes a genius or he would be up there with those other idiots in NY/NJ, his only downfall was his loyalty to his dads legacy.

People like to think he was dumb because of his lingo but.... but he said shit on PURPOSE to cause issues at times, making it seem like was just dumb.

Exactly

He did the same thing while playing golf with his dad & John. Bad mouthing Tony when the dad showed favoritism

@@samanthab1923 that was the father playing his son

Heisenberg R How did the father Carmine play Carmine Jr. the son?

@@samanthab1923 Carmine knew Jr would favour Tony after his visit of respect. So he made that favouritism remark to change his mind so quickly.

You pulled 20 Little Carmines in here. I think you mean "illusion". Good points though.

He was no genius, but smart enough to know not to try and beat the street guys at their own game. So he waits, manipulates, and doesn't risk.

Yes, he WAS the trompe de 'oleil

​@@kurtwpgyea not an actual genius, just relative

I don't think he had a high iq either...

He was wise but not intelligent.

He was at the precipice of an enormous crossroads.

@@jamesteegardner2273 ummm

Malcolm from malcom in the middle. Genius. Fucks up heaps.

Jackie Aprile Sr: Am I a joke to you

I've read on another channel that little Carmine had the approach of a woman. So in the end, a smart move from a not so dumb individual after all.

@@ADAPTATION7 are you implying that women are better leaders then men? Because every monarchy has failed throughout all of history.

@@w0undedmakers251 Absolutely not. I was just pointing to the fact that despite his cartoonish exterior, little Carmine resorted to manipulation rather than violence to reach his goals. And he did it in a very allegorical way.

Little Carmine lived out the rest of his life as a rich man, sailing between New York and Florida; he had cash stashed away, and had his porn & "Cleaver" monies/royalties coming in; none of the other mafiaos took him that seriously anyway, so when he announced his "retirement" he was soon a non-enmity. And forgotten. I can see him golfing as an old man pitching real estate schemes to other retirees in Florida.

@@w0undedmakers251 Little Carmine isn’t a good leader he just does well for himself which is what matters most in the end

You can see how jealous Tony is in that scene that LC has a loving relationship with his wife

Yes, Tony wondered what it would be like to have a wife who loved him, rather than the big house and the money...

In the end, it doesn’t even matter-Linkin Park

people say johnny sac was the best dressed

@@nabeelnazeen7546 Sil was the best dressed and most pure gangster.

Some people/characters just naturally have it. No matter how you cut the thing he was a genius behaviorally.

Every single actor in this phenomenal series was perfectly cast and delivered perfectly executed (excuse the pun) dialogue. As in the few other likewise wildly successful series, the talent in this ensemble must make the line between reality and delivering script is almost non-existent. James WAS Tony. He consumed his character as his own. That’s acting at its highest form. Edie WAS Carmela. Junior WAS Junior. Not one portrayal in this masterpiece was off. Each scene drew us into worlds we otherwise would never know. For 6 seasons we are treated to something which doesn’t come along often; a look into the Mafia from imagined lives acted out in the comfort of our living rooms. Out of thousands of the known and unknown talents in the business, this ensemble was chosen. Brilliantly, I may add! Although it was dissected by those who were in the Mafia as inaccurate in many scenes, for novice crime watchers as myself, it was accurate enough and still had me fast forwarding in hard to watch scenes. There isn’t an ending of The Sopranos. The obscure end chosen ending by its creator, David Chase, had no way of knowing James would suddenly pass away. All hope of a returning character are moot. However, this will be discussed and dissected for generations by lovers of film, writing, acting, directing, wardrobe and props pros, dialect coaches etc. The brilliance of The Sopranos continues to amaze me regardless of the number of times I’ve watched it. There’s always a subtle nuance I’ve missed.

Dumbya didn't inspire anybody, that moron would line up the cars in a 1 car parade wrong. Wasted many billions and killed many thousands in his "war on terrah", should have been tried and executed as a war criminal. Shrub was an idiot who only got into office because of his father and his brother stole enough votes in Florida. Don't insult Carmine Jr., he was very street smart, perceptive and wise enough to survive and prosper in such a bloodthirsty world. And as a man Carmine Jr. was far better than W., who is NOT a real man, just a low iq puppet, that The Emperor, Dick Cheney, another war criminal, pulled the strings of, that's why Daddy Bush put him there !

250 pounds and profusely sweating? Isn't that half of the characters on the show?

​@@HOTD108_ does this guy ever stop breaking balls?

perhaps some, if as old as i am, after hearing all the word fumbles might think back to The East Side Kids, AKA = The Bowery Boys, you would hear similar like example, instead of saying "APPRECIATE" would say "I really Depreciate all the help you're giving me" -LOL There was always at least 5 in an episode.

That was real? I saw that movie I thought it was bullshit

At least he did not compromise.

Don't forget the other 9 pictures under your subspecies.

You sure did Mr. Lupertazzi, hope all is well on the flip flop.

You just said it. FACTS

Carmine may have been a Vincent the Chin type? I don't claim he's a Genius; but smarter than was apparent. One thing all his 'slip ups' had in common, _They ALL made him seem Non-Threatening!_ None of the characters would have believed in our "Genius" Theory and that's just the way he wanted it.

this is the sacred and the propane

Very ALLEGORICAL

Jackie Jr almost drowned at the penguin exhibit in 4 inches

Not cool. A bad joke.

He might have just been avoiding saying “Eskimo” since it’s somewhat of a slur

@@thecoolwaffle4908 nah he just had a brain fart.

He probably just wanted to avoid propagating a negative electrolyte

Small hand, that was his problem

Well, you oughta know sweetie!

@@PureKino Hey Kino, do a video piece on Livia and her manipulative tactics towards Junior Soprano. Thx

Shoulda sent him to get his shine box

@@PureKino oh yeah. Daddy always said that.

I liked it when he turned into a house

"I'm talkin about Augustus"

I don't buy it, he really tried to negotiate peace between Tony and uncle Philly after he beat Coco . Butchie laughed to his face that they don't need their drills. When Carmine Sr said he would be proud if Tony was his son, he was hurt and he manipulated his father but i think it was just because he felt hurt at that moment.Remember later in the last episode of season 4 when Carmine Sr and Tony brokered peace and percentages from their businesses , Carmine Sr said to Tony his son convinced him to make compromise with him and that Tony shouldn't forget it even when he dies. Little Carmine probably realised he shouldn't undermine their long time good relations because of his hurted feelings, he made his point and moved on.

@@mariozd971 Absolutely plausible - maybe Little Carmine was just incredibly lucky that things turned out to his favor in the end. Fact is, at least IMHO: he had the best life of all the mobsters in The Sopranos!

@@mahavishnuorchestra Lol, i guess he had the makings of a varsity nightclub owner, producent of porn and B horror movies and malapropists ( actually lot of his malapropisms had sense, like the one with pint of blood and gallons of gold, we all understood what he tried to say, the one with the sacred and the propane too, melliflous box) i think his father wanted to protect him from involving in the dangerous NY deals , so he send him to Florida to enjoy fixing of wet shirt contests, i think he wouldn't last long as the boss of Lupertazzi, i think that they wouldn't respect him at all, they were all hardened criminals and murderers and out from nowhere he just shows himself in father's shoes . Maybe it would be different if he listened to Rusty about taking the crown , they would have to kill Johnny Sack and Phil but he wasn't designed for bloody decisions. He caved after Angelo's death and he did it in the right moment because Johnny became ruthless fuck who started the whole internal war. If i was in Tony's position i would tell about Johnny's plans to whack him, Johnny would enter " witness protection" and Carmine Sr would be grateful for that, there wouldn't be Shah of Itan near, New Jersey would work smoothly with Rusty, Angelo and Little Carmine.

He played dumb

Or he could just be an idiot who read the room completely wrong!

Even Tony knee this guy was smart. Their final convo told it all

and the dream he had with his father and all, i do believe he "understood" that "its not ALL about the power" so he continued to take care of himself and other aspects of his life. While, from the beginning os the series, we see the CHAOS in tony's life, and how, he not knowing how to handle the issues he had, turned to mess up his boss life as well. little carmine seemed to know that, you know, taking care of the other things he could pay the attention needed to be A Boss. Don't know if he wished it all the time long, but he definitely saw the chance when it came, and didnt waste it. misusing words at social situation is not a sign of strategic dumbness

He pulled a Kaiser Soze.

@@owenanderson2633 Little Carmine is smarter than you. Get over it.

😂😂

There is only one Cardinal. "The" something rather.

agree using wrong words in conversations is something i do on purpose sometimes to make boring bits more interesting for myself

Exactly

And that wife was hot as hell

It’s interesting because carmine sr had a knack for cutting through the bullshit by possibly feigning ignorance himself. Like anytime somebody tried to come at him clever, he’d vex them with his old man routine and they’d end up getting to the point.

He did have arguably the hottest wife.

Sharp as a cueball

A loaf of bread costs more than a gallon of milk.

Best is when Tony says it to Richie, he looks at him confused like wtf are you try to tell me

Makes perfect sense

Which ones?

Double A the dumb ones he doesn’t use in the correct context... just take a look at any RU-vid comment about little carmine lol

I'd believe it

Reasonable to believe

thank you. This makes me laugh 2 min straight in a dark day

“Five fucking families, and we got this other Mensa thing…”

watch talking sopranos. He made it his own.

"Nothing to prove" is the key.

Hesh was another character that mostly benefitted from both worlds. Until he decided to lend Tony money.

The Sacred and the propane

John doe... this comment is gold 👌

'The Meteors did the dinosaurs in' " *They were ALL Meat-Eaters* !" said the Captain

Thanks John Doe. Because of you, I dissloged a rib from laughing so hard at that comment.

Great comment...Now go get your shinebox

Isn't that from War Games

Thank you very much!

Those other movies under his sub-species would have been interesting to see.

Lol Chris and Carmine together was gold. Robbing Lauren Bacall for her swag bag. They could have had a spin off show together.

It's make sense in a way

He’s an idiot savant

A gallon of gold is like $1 million.

@@abdullayaser700 I always thought it did lol

@@chickenman7801 never heard of anyone measuring gold by the gallon .. unless they liquified it first I guess

The first quote is Silvio's territory. He knew better than to try take it over

That was the kind of life the other mobsters dreamed of having. Yet they couldn’t despite being far “smarter” than Little Carmine

I agree irrevocably (unequivocally). [how he would likely have said it, misusing the wrong word]

He didn't retire! He's a captain throughout the whole show... He just kept a low profile.

@@yannick245 and what about the way he stirred the pot at that sit down by bringing up Phil’s brother at the moment when they were about to shake hands and get along. Absolute genius.

I agree. What we have here is really a discussion of what is success, what does it look like, does being the Boss matter more than anything else? Anyone can deal drugs, kill, steal, etc... Who is it that gets away with it?? That's the real mastermind.

He almost got Sir Ben Kingsley to star in his movie. That's pretty impressive.

WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!?

Always said he did. Guy knew what he was doing and took safest road there.