I can understand the 5 noble house ignoring the cut off limbs, and maybe even the heart, but why would they ignore the brain? This makes me doubt if Gremmy is actually the Soul King's brain.
A slight correction. The reason why Yhwach can’t see the Mimihagi is because it has no future. Through the power of stagnation, things can’t progress forward, thus it has no future to see.
@@Timjer92 It seems like cause and effect and predestination. Like, you can’t ever evolve, create, alter any future where you’re not bound by prior circumstances out of your control. Yhwach attempting to alter any future involving not just any entity, but the source and sole progenitor of literal “histories” is paradoxical since Reio is beyond his time scale. The question whether Reio can express “The Miracle” et al powers is a very good topic to read for. Reio has to have literally, and knowingly, sacrificed himself for the worlds. To scale, Ichiebe had power to neg Yhwach hax with old ass Shinigami hax. Reio’s hax are foundations for everything from Ichigo et al to the Hogyoku. All fragments of some temporal will to hold everything together. I wonder about Ichigo and his defeat of Yhwach since, again, Reio has to have seen all this coming and wanted (maybe in a good way?) Ichigo to be the next SK? Kazui absorbing the last of Yhwach might be relevant with Hell, maybe. I don’t know, what actually happened to Yhwach’s soul?
I think it is interesting that there is a recurring theme of the "Strongest of their kind" in the story, end up feeling alone and depressed. Kenpachi, Starrk and Gremmy all fit this theme. It would make sense that the Soul King, who was like a God without anyone to call his equal, would have no-one to truly connect with. It could be for this reason he did not stop the Ancestors. Ironically, this would have most likely been the fate that would have befallen Aizen as well, if he succeeded in his goal of claiming the throne of Heaven. It is lonely at the top, indeed.
Truth. With great power comes shallow emptiness and loneliness. It's also ironic that said power may condemn some of our favorite Shinigami to the fires of hell, to be fair quite a few would probably end up there anyway due to the atrocities they committed to keep the system going.
@@manuelacosta9463 Indeed. Great power usally comes at a cost, and the fact that the Soul Reapers end up sending their strongest warriors to Hell in order to maintain the flawed world that they created, is just another showcase of how twisted a world founded upon a sin truly is. The fact that a sadistic monster like Tokinada actually makes a good point when he claims that there is nothing wrong with committing Sin, in a world that was founded upon Sin, is a sobering reminder of the darkness that is hidden at the core of the Soul Society.
@@jrgenvellesen7800 Truth. Tokinada embraced that evil and ran with it. It's interesting he pointed this out to Yoruichi and Soifon during their meeting, stating that all of the houses are corrupt and prone to violence for their benefit. Soifon was confused as to what he meant by this while Yoruichi acknowledged this but stated that she was personally not the other nobles.
@@manuelacosta9463 It is somewhat amusing that Soifon was confused by the idea of the nobles being prone to violence, given her own tendency towards lashing out in anger. Still, it is quite interesting that Tokinada wanted to bring someone as genuinely kind as Kakyo, down to his level of evil. The fact that even after killing her and claiming that she was just a plaything to him, he seemingly still considered her his wife and refused to sleep with Aura when she offered it, might hint that he did love her in his own twisted way... While he seems like a purely evil madman, there does seem to be some faint embers of humanity in him, though he seems to purposely stomp them down.
I would agree with this excluding the fact that his limbs are driven to take revenge on the shinigami alomgside Yhwach. If he let them dismember him, the limbs should not be harboring animosity towards the shinigami.
I think when Askin was talking about those who didn't get their powers from Yhwach I think that he was definitely just talking about just the Schutzstaffel because we know that Loyd and Royd got their special powers in the womb.
Regarding the size of the soul king , I always considered it the same as a zanpukto for a person with high spiritual pressure having the potential to be massive ie ichigo in the early days having a big sword because he can’t control his spiritual pressure. So the limbs are massive because they have no vessel such as the soul king to be condensed into normal size
I always assumed that when they dismembered the soul king, they cut off the parts of him that contained abilities that would help him break out. Back then they couldn't have predicted that a bunch of severed body parts would get up, form their own identity, and start fighting in wars
It was every part's own nature that dictated their actions: Mimihagi's own powers of preservation came from the Soul King's shinigami genes, (as the Shinigami have always fought to preserve the status quo, and keep people like Aizen and Yhwach from altering it.) The quincies are the opposite: they work for progress and reject stagnation. This is reflected by the Soul King's left hand and heart: Pernida ,with his nerves, absorbes information from all around him to further grow and develop, while Gerard comes back stronger everytime he's killed.
Just a theory but I think Yhwach is the last child to be born from the primordial world before it was split. That infant then absorbed a lot of the SK’s Reiatsu and remained in a lucid comatose state as we see in the manga. But eventually after accumulating enough power he starts growing. Yhwach states that he’s been alive for 200 years in the 1,000-year “Friends” flashback because he actually started aging at that point.
Body parts of the soul king being major bleach plot points will always be so crazy to me I wonder if we will ever get to see Reio in action in like a flashback or something
I think the “Heart” refers to the Soul King’s willpower/spirit/honor and not a literal heart. This might explain why he behaves as a proud knight, merciful, unwavering, and noble. It may also explain his ability to never die because of his unending resolve and devotion toward “God.”
If Ukitake didn’t have immense reiatsu, would Mimihagi still be able to consume his lungs and stay inside him? I guess you gotta be extremely strong to hold a part of the soul king
I've always subscribed to the idea that Gremmy was the brain of the Soul King. It's always lined up with my theory that he was originally meant to be a member of the Schutzstaffel. It would make a bit of sense to me; three parts of the Soul King (Gremmy, Pernida & Gerad) being led by the favored and first Quincy to receive a Schrift (Lillie). It would also explain why Askin was randomly promoted in the heat of battle after Gremmy's demise to his position in the Schutzstaffel, seemingly as a last min decision as they had inadvertently lost a member.
That’s a credible point 🤔🤔🤔. Gremmy was too overpowered not to be part of Ywach’s elite but he did lack the imagination to use the ability to its fullest
@@gammafrostlore wise that can easily be explained though by how Ywhach treated him and then how the clans treated the original body. It's clear the body parts can change with time. So it's easy to think the brain lost its own intelligence/creativity.
Actually for Gerard's outfit, its probably closer to ancient germanic than say, norse. That would safely put him in the roman/greek era. That would also fit with the quincy german aspect as nordic and early germanic cultures were the proto-cultures for germany and the HRE.
I'd like to believe that the soul king allowed for his own death. He represents the Alpha and the Omega. Omega in this regard meaning all encompassing. His death doesn't necessarily mean his disappearance. It could simply initiate a rebirth cycle
In the anime,they gave pernida a really good backstory, pernida was sealed inside ichibe until it was traded through a sealing tecknique that ichibe used, making Yhwach lose his almighty,yet have pernida sealed inside yhwach.When Yhwhach fell in his slumber, pernida was released.
Gerrard feels like a combination of the two arms. Think about it a little. He has the right arm's ability of stillness to prevent his death and the left arm's ability of progression to rapidly heal and evolve his body.
Gerard also feels like he's got a bit of The Visionary, which lends some credence to the Soul King's Brain theory: what are his powers if not his vision of the hero people want? A hero who wins against the odds, reflects all harm and only gets stronger to match his opponents? I wouldn't be surprised if, as other Soul King parts are eventually introduced, they can be linked to aspects of The Miracle. The heart fuels every other part of the body, after all.
The atire worn by Mimihagi in its wooden statue like form, specially the ribbon floating around its hand, which is called a Tenne, reminds me of the Tennin, or heavenly beings that are able to fly thanks to their feathered cloaks, or Hagoromo. Maybe this was the way Mimihagi was depicted because as a being that fell from heaven Mimihagi would've resembled the Tennin in a similar fashion given that they, specially the Tenyo, or heavenly maidens, would fly towards the earth and take off their Hagoromo in order to stay with humankind.
My theory as to why they cut out parts of Reiou and leave out the rest to be put as Statis is a countermeasure that whatever is left of the Reiou in the statis crystal can't break out of said crystal in his own. So basically they preserved just the right amount of body parts that can separate the realm while not being strong enough to enable the Reiou escape stasis. Ywach is tevhnically the progenitor of yhe quincies since he is "the one" who has the ability to share quincy powers to other people. Wven if we say Pernida or even the Soul King is the first being to be a quincy, people who "wrote" history barely knows their existence and they technically did not gain quincy powers from them. About the saketsu, all the Noble ancestors and even Ichibei is older than Reio had Saketsu. It makes sense Reio is also has one since he is basically "the same being as them", but Reio is mostly had been born gifted with special powers exclusive only to him.
As per the size of the Reio, he probably is just normally sized. But as we see with Gerard as an example, his body parts can definitely "change/grew to ginormous sizes". If Gremmy is in fact the "Brain", physically enlarging in size is probably just a second option to it since it can just imagine it and mentally make a larger form.
Could be interesting if we also ever get to see what the effects of the reio's nail was on rangiku. She was bonded to one of his nails before Aizen forcibly extracted it from her, so could be interesting to see how it effected her strength and personality before and after the removal. If we go with the parts that we already saw in the manga, having a part of him in her would have made rangiku also stronger but it is hard to figure out the amount.
i guess the power is still manifesting way more and it'll be interesting if reio himself would try and get rangiku to either marry her or just get her pregnant
Bit late here but can somebody explain this to me. So when Ichigo goes with the Zero Division, they all say that the soul king has told them to bring him back. Then Tenjiro says he can see why the Soul King is so interested in Ichigo. So are they all just lying about the soul kings will? Because from my understanding he is trapped and has no autonomy whatsoever. So is it just Ichibei running everything and saying it's the soul kings will?
Yhwach is probably nearly millions of years old. He probably was born as a result of reio splitting the world's and tsunayashiro dismembering his body. Maybe the spilled out reishi took a form of it's own (since souls also take form in similar manner). And he was probably in the child like state for a really long time. And later gains his physical body sonewhere around 2000 or so years ago.
I wonder what the big bad of the hell arc will be like to rival soul-king-Yhwach. I can only imagine that it would be the Soul kings mother; the literal mother of god, along with the slain captains turned into an anti gotie 13.
Man i cant wait to see more of the upper ecshelons of soul society. To me this is the best part of bleach. The rules put in place, the physics... all the correlations, Hueco mundo being some mysterious seemingly ancient and ruinous black and white purgatory, Soul society being some mysterious colored and quiet form of heaven, etc. From the gargantua to the life cycle of hollows, it's all so bizarra. Can u travel to heaven and purgatory on a space ship or is outer space not a traversable void in bleach? What magnificent civilization built the ruins of Hueco Mundo now in disrepair? Best parts of bleach, the astrophysics and outer realm lore and all the questions unanswered.
It all makes sense to be honest… Aizen says repeatedly that the Hogyoku creates miracles, Uruhara and Aizen is trying to recreate the Heart of the Soul King for their own reasons, maybe uruhara wants to be in the 0 division and that’s his selfish way of doing it as stated in Cfyow and Aizen created it for access to the palace which would mean he would be able to be on level and replace the soul king his ultimate goal …. The hogyoku IS a recreation of Gerard Valkyrie and the heart of the soul king of which he is
Man I really hope we get to find out at some point why the Soul King let himself get butchered. I also wonder what the 4 irises mean. Initially I thought that it was representative of him being able to look at the past, present, future and outside of time (if that's even a thing) but since Yhwach only seems to be able to see the future despite having 3 then maybe not.
In CFYOW Ichibei implied that the King let them do it, likely seeing his eventual freedom in death. He stated that his lack of resistance and seeming total cooperation raised the suspicions of the ancestors, leading them to double down and totally gouge him. But again this is Ichibei talking so he's hardly an objective source.
Maybe each iris represents each dimension that Soul King is watching over/keeping aloft: Seireitei, human world, Hueco Mundo, and even Hell or maybe the Palace.
Theory... About the irises the strongest being : the soul king have four. How-ever when we look at the 0 division's amblem there are 5 symbols, there are 5 cities, 5 captains. What if it was implying that someone is somewhere having 5 irises therefore being stronger than Ywach or the soulKing... That would be insane.
Wow, interesting. Maybe the final villain in Hell arc might be the one with 5 iris. Or Kazui will eventually grow up to be the strongest being with 5 iris.
I theorize that the cities belonged to the ancestors of the 5 Great Noble families in the past. However, I do feel like there might be someone stronger than the SK.
@@matthasch847 Think aside from fallen or banished shinigami , kenpachis who demonized or turned into demons which I hope exist in the Hellverse . Also ghouls or hollows that evolved into ghouls there demon samurai or ino Ronin.
@Test Tros that is never explained. However, in the novel CYTOW, it was mentioned the tsuy royal family was researching how to use the SK nail to empower their members.
I like to imagine that Reio was NEVER upset or angry at those who killed him. If he was really as all powerful as described, then it's really just one of two options: 1: He allows his death, and desecration of his corpse, to enable his betrayers to create a quadratic universe; The World of the Living, Heuco Mundo, Soul Society, and Hell. 2: he saves himself, which may or may not have been worse, we will never know. Either way, mimihagi and purnida are less nature and more nurture, at least that's the way I've interpreted things, if I'm wrong please lmk. Mimihagi was "raised" by rukongai citizens, so it grew to love them. Purnida was "raised" by the Quincy, and thusly grew to hate them like most Quincy. Idk, I haven't read the light novels so all I really have to go on is the manga, but that's the gist of what I understand about them. Either way I really like them both, and I feel like neither were used to their full potential, although Mimihagi definitely got the shorter end of the stick.
Also pernida claiming he is a quincy isn't odd at all. Ywach says(in a panel you show in the video) that his almighty eyes are the sign of a true quincy. Clearly the quincy were a thing before ywach. Unless his assertion is that he is the only true quincy(possible). I think the quincy might have been something or some group that the soul king could've used to destroy some of the bad things in the primordial chaos before he split the world into 3. Maybe he was advised by the nobles that destroying them was creating an imbalance and shelved the quincy when ywach was born and ywach going through whatever odd shit he went through became quite angry when he began regaining his abilities and reformed the quincy as their king and had it out for soul reapers and soul society since daddy liked them more than him. Very lucifer. Much fallen angel.
It all makes so much sense, but i have questions, Where are Rayo's legs? As we saw him last, he's just a body with a head. We know where his hands and heart (and brain) are, But his legs are also chopped off, What happened to his legs?
They're just kicking it somewhere on earth. The legs are the most laid back pieces of the Soul King, retaining in one the desire to travel, and for the other, the desire of inertness. So one is living as a neet, and the other has wanderlust and never stops in one place for all that long.
All things considered, couldn't Ukitake be gotten his body healed once he became a captain?? I'm pretty sure that mad scientist might have been able to give him some new lungs...
I like to imagine that the ancients that fought and defeated the Soul King did so Attack on Titan style, just going around and around this colossal sized creature.
this is an interesting point, it is said that the human who received the fragment of soul king is called fullbringer and in the fullbringer arc we all know that ichigo's fullbring was taken by ginjo but why then when ichigo got his shinigami load back it was all categorized with fullbring like fullbring shikai and fullbring bankai?
When it comes to Gremmy. I still feel like it's the brain of a child or something similar. The idea of a childs rampant imagination brought to reality with the Visionary just makes sense. And we've seen non sensical powers like with mask d masculine and James. Only other thought is it's never illuded to in some way like with Gerard. All thay being said it could very well be the case but it does raise a lot of questions.
i always thought the miracles eyes were like American comic superhero and villains masks. once the mask is on, the iris is gone, but once you take it off, they come back. now you can say Gerard never took off the... goggles or wtf is on his face, but like you said, is that the hole on the back of his skull, or is that an eye socket. idk. It's weird. till we get actual answers, imma say it's some eye wear.
I'm starting to think that Kubo only ended Bleach for health reasons. He surely had a lot more to explore and maybe he always had plans for all that. So, instead of changing things to end it all with different answers than his original thoughts, he just left things there so eventually Bleach would return. If you think about it, it all makes sense. It was always stated that Reio is the linchpin for the 3 worlds. Hell was never linked to that. So that's where the story should naturally goes. Also, strong people can't die and continue to be a part of those 3 worlds as particles, being sent to hell. There's no parallel like heaven and hell for soul society and hell, or soul society and hueco mundo. Its more like different dimensions. I'm having a feeling the mother of Yhwach in the anime will have something to do with that. Also, where did Ichigo's mom soul go? Can't remember that one.
He came from a primordial world (alongside Ichibei and other ancient hollows) that was overrun by hollows. He destroyed most of the hollows in the new world but realized that continuing it will lead to destruction of this new world due to imbalance of souls. So him being this Godlike figure (having perfected allmighty amongs other abilities) he had to accept what noble houses did to him in order to preserve balance and safety of his creation. So yeah while it's technically true that he doesn't rule over anything, the universe of bleach cannot exist without someone who will take the role of the Soul king even after his death. He is the closest thing to God in the bleach and his love for inhabitants of the new world made him almost completely exterminate all hollows and accept mutilation so yeah it's not someone else's balance when it's his world and people he considers his own (shinigami or quincy)
Calling him a "king" is blatantly a mask. So common folk who don't know the truth, will be gaslighted believing a rainbows and butterflies version on how the Soul King separated the realms. If the Noble families called him just a Lyncpin like he actually is then people will have to caught on at some point
Personally, it looked to me like Gerard's Quincy cross was closer to his head than his heart, but because of the angle at which he is drawn in that panel it seems kind of hard to really tell. Also, with his particular style of dress, along with the style of his sword and shield, it makes me feel like Gerard was maybe something along the lines of a Roman Centurion or a Spartan(think 300 and how they dressed).
I think mimihagi helped ukitake live because mimihagi wants stagnation. Same reason as to why it went to help the soul kings main body thing. It wanted stagnation, for a process to be stuck at a certain point.
What i dont get is how many times the right hand helped people or how long it stayed in someones body? I suppose that regulare souls in Rukongai would live shorter lives then a shinigami but im still curious. Like if ukitake died at the academy and say he lived 300 years. That 300 years that other people dont get their prayers answered. Would the right hand go back to the shrine and wait for someone else to ask for help?
Your question about the size of the soul king’s parts made me think…what if it’s similar to Captains controlling the size of their zanpakuto? According to Isshin, their swords would become massive according to their large spiritual pressure if they didn’t control it. Maybe the same concept applies here. Without Reio in control of his dismembered parts, their size can become blown out of proportion with the power they hold.
My favorite and IMO most powerful is Gerard. 1: because he has a Thor vibe (cool). 2: Kubo made him so broken, only because Yuwah took his powers, he actually died (broken). 3: he survived Kenpachi's bankai even though his shikai could destroy a meteor (extremely broken). As for the size of the limbs and organs, remember Isshin said soul reapers reiatsu, without control would be swinging around zanpakuto the size of skyscrapers. Well even being sentient, when they go all out they grow to giant sizes. With Gremmy being the brain, he should have the most "control" of his reiatsu hence staying the size of a normal brain. Just my thoughts
21:50 (ish), They probably couldn't sense what Pernida was because of the binding. Which is probably why she was bound in the first place: to cloak her aura.
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And in reference to the size of the soul kings body parts it is stated pretty early on in the series by isshin that captain level shinigami have to moderate the size of their zanpakuto(which i think is a somewhat natural habit as ichigo had proportionally ridiculous spiritual pressure to mach the large size of zangetsu) so probably the pieces of the soul king simply couldnt regulate their size anymore effective as pernida grew massive when the chains were broken and once he got on a roll gerard became a towering mass of reitsu.
Also, menos are severely lacking in sentience and are absolutely massive. Once they progress through the stages of hollows they begin to shrink back and grow in intelligence and self awareness. Dumb arrancar Yami was absolutely massive in his released state and even grew as his base spiritual pressure increased from rest and eating. Grand fisher who was an absolute imbecile apparently bragged about being big because he couldn't regulate his spiritual pressure and body size well. It's all pretty self explanatory.
This was a good video! Always enjoy discussion about the soul king. I think when the schutzstaffel gets resurrected they are getting their true power back. Like maybe Yhwach made them put up their own reiokyu or soul into the other sternritters so the powers were more spread out.
This raises a question: let's say Soul King somehow got his limbs back after them being severed? Would he still hate shinigami or would the caring towards shinigami from Mimihagi affect Soul King as well or would his will overcome Mimihagi's own?
Rather, for everything, he will become slightly better towards the Shinigami due to the fact that Mimihagi is already a loyal force to them, but he will continue to hate them because what they did cannot be forgiven, and the will of the rest of his parts will also be transmitted, and we know very well about the attitude of Pernida and Gerard to the Shinigami it means that he obviously would not exterminate the Shinigami, but would continue to perceive them as traitors.
If he represents the heart, then I think his eyes are meant to make him appear blind. Love is blind, and the heart symbolizes love. What does he love? Well, what is he willing to protect?
About the Soul King having sugetsu, I think you may be overthinking it. It could simply be he made souls in his image. Also, didn't Isshin Kurosaki disprove that a soul reaper can't get its power back once losing its sugetsu, having recovered his?
Honestly even if the soul king were to return in his full body, having mimihagi, pernida, gerrard and potentially gremmy coming back to himself, he would still be conflicted tbh because mimihagi and perneida believe 2 different things obviously one wanting the world to remain as it is and the other wanting the world how yhwach wanted it. Whatever happens would have to be because of soul king, but i wonder if thats why he allowed himself to be dismembered and sealed, because he did not see anyway else to save the bleach world, almost like Anos voldigoad in a sense sacrificing hiself to place a barrier between the different realms to bring peace, because soul king did have the almighty perhaps better than even how yhwach had it or on the same level, or maybe its on the same level of yhwach but whereas the quincy king only uses the almighty narrowly for his own goals, reio uses his more broadly, seeing the bigger picture from the perspective of all the realm rather than just caring of his own,like a true king would.
Do you happen to have plans to make a video about the confirmed Soul King candidates? Ichigo, Ginjo and Ubuginu and perhaps others that I don't know about.
Time travels differently in the spiritual worlds (soul society, hueco Mundo, hell) than it does in the world of the living yeah? So they may be adjusting for that and that explains their outfits being so modern.
Why do you keep saying that the arms can't move on their own? The left arm especially was shown to have actually saved itself from falling when it grabbed onto a piece of rock. It was hanging out with the other ss in the lounge and had to make it's way to meet kurotsuchi and kenpachi, meaning it can move.
@@WanderTheNomad I don't recall these panels and didn't get to this part until after the comment lol. I see his point for that part but the other two occurrences still stand.
I think that the raw power and omnipotence of the soul kings power caused the different body parts to gain sentience and they evolved into whatever form they saw fit to exist in.
Have a theory that SK and everything surrounding Primordial world was created and is monitored by the Warden of Hell. Essentially I think that every millions of years he refreshes the realms outside of Hell. It would explain why the SK just happened to pop into existence when the primordial world needed him most. Much more to theory but I would be here too long
