Is the deal worth it? A Nazi mass murderer escapes the noose but a huge German force is taken out of the war. What do you all think? Should we ever negotiate with an enemy like Nazi Germany or should some things be off limits?
Taking so many military units into captivity without further violence is extremely tempting. And if the cost is sparing one man, I'd find it to hard argue with at the time.
For those experienced American airline passengers who might be wondering, the American OSS officer mentioned here (Allen Dulles), is not the namesake for the International Airport in D.C. It's actually named after Allen's brother: John Dulles, who will go on to serve as Secretary of State under Eisenhower.
war is so terrible, just imagine each human being lived their entire lives, from their first steps to their first day at school, to experiencing the same stream of consciousness that you and i enjoy; only for them to die in war. Rest in Peace to those who went out this way
quote Churchill: "It is a very typical thing to happen at the end of a tyranny, that the elite starts to devour itself in order to save their own skins."
@@retiredbore378That is such utter bs. There was no coup. Just because you dont agree with someones political opinion does not mean you have to demonize them.
quote Churchill: "It is a very typical thing to happen at the end of a tyranny, that the elite starts to devour itself in order to save their own skins."
21:12 - Interesting that he was allowed to retain the epaulettes on his SS uniform though other bits of insignia were removed. Nuremberg defendants like Jodl, Keitel and Goering wore military uniform in court but with all insignia removed.
I like how Stalin, who made the deal with Hitler that was very instrumental in starting WWII, is always worrying about other Allies making a deal with Hitler.
I love how Mom mimed using a rotary dial phone while her daughter mimed pushing buttons. In reality, it was probably jiggering the receiver and asking the operator for a line!
Think about all the gallant heroes, all the shrewd generals, all the bloodthirsty dictators, none can hold a candle to a guy enjoying vacations during world war two! Truly an example to us all.
If I don't know who won World War II then I am in serious trouble for 2 reasons - 1) my Dad is a retired history teacher who grew up in WW II New York (he was 9 when the Japanese attacked Pearl and turns 92 this week) and 2) it would mean my stroke was far worse than my neurologist said and I have forgotten... 🤣🤣🤣
I had no idea the german troops in Italy surrendered separately ! Thank you for this whole coverage. As a french I feel like we're taught the war's end as such : D-Day ; Paris liberated ; Hitler shoots himself ; Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then it's Indochina war (Korea, you said ? Jamais entendu parler.)
@@davidw.2791 You're absolutely right. Wikipedia just told me it started on 19th december 1946. I didn't even know it was so close, chronologically speaking.
I love watching these two ladies at work, despite the seriousness of the topic they still make me smile. Astrid's hand gestures, even when Anna is talking, and sometimes a motherly smile and nod when Anna gets through a particularly tough series of names and places, lol. And did I see a sneaky smile from Anna around the 6.20 mark when Astrid put an extra flourish on 'La Resistance'? ;)
Allen Delles had been in-and-out of Switzerland since the "League of Nations" days. He was sent to Switzerland in 1942, and created, with contacts throughout the Reich, a fairly substantial and successful spy network in Germany and Austria. He learned about the existence of Auschwitz from the Austrian resistance group centered around the priest Heinrich Maier, as well as the V-1 and V-2 rockets, and the ME-262, to name but a few. After the group was discovered and wiped out, Dulles sent American agents to discover if any had survived. Highly recommend Dulles' book, "The Secret Surrender," which talks about all of this as a witness on the ground, at least from his point of view. The book was finally published in 1966; yes, it's old, so it might be a BIT had to find, but it's well worth the read.
Now that I know that there was an armistice in Italy, how it happened and who was involved, the scene from Downfall makes a bit more sense where Hitler talks about how even the SS betrayed him. Apart from that it was an interesting episode as always that added another layer to my knowledge of WW2.
This was a terrific explanation of events surrounding the interactions between German reps and the western allies at the end of the war. It should be seen by everyone and listened to for comprehension.
In addition to the significant content of your Spies and Ties videos, Astrid and Anna, the presentations are enjoyable for their delightful and dynamic nature, and for the occasional nuggets of humor they contain. 👍❤ Thank you as well, Astrid, for the hair style, evocative of the late, great Bettie Page, that you've chosen for this video. ⭐
Fun fact, I've been to Institute Montana in Zug, Switzerland. I didn't study there, someone in the family did, but it's quite a lovely campus and area. Definitely an "elite" school though, in the sense that most of the students come from wealthier families.
unfortunately i did not catch Anna and Astrid live, i was with my sister (i'm one of her caregivers)... but i love their episodes and the ladies themselves. ❤
You two young ladies do a spectacular job here of presenting this, made all the more fascinating by your manner of presentation. Thank you, for creating this and sharing it -- I have enjoyed your work immensely, and learned from you.
I can't help but notice how much better the war is going since you ladies began doing Spies and Ties....I'm proud to be a member of the Time Ghost Army...
It's a small thing, but I do appreciate the spoiler warning at the beginning. I am familiar with the main beats of WW2, but I wasn't born knowing about it and I'm sure this channel is someone's first time engaging with the history in detail. I think little considerations like the intro do a lot to help the accessibility of these videos for new learners.
Thanks to all your team for such a fantastic Show!!! My stepfathers father was arrested for resistance work in Norway and later along with his brothers transferred to Germany as forced labour in the camps. I remember reading years ago about the work that Greve Folke Bernadotte did together with Some German officers who were also working under the radar to save their skin.. The plot was to get the Scandinavian prisoners onto busses that were painted white and had red crosses painted on the roof and bring them to Denmark in the final days so they would be saved in the surrender... I would love to know more about the plot and the people involved and of course Folke Bernadotte himself who met such an ignominious death at the hands of shin bet. I always felt there was much more going on around this character and the occupation in Scandinavia then what I found then. Anyway thanks for the 5 years of hard work you all put in to make this show!!! The most enlightening show ever made on WW2 : )
Mapping out multiple routes to the lifeboats could be seen as a treasonous lack of faith in the Captain. Until the water is around your ankles. Then he's your hero.
@@christopherconard2831 but still the survival of the crew and passengers it's heavily depended on how many can keep their collective s**t together and aren't overrun by panic 😉 a broken, capsized or whatever lifeboat is useless, so you might want to think twice before cutting that rope, the side of the ship you are trying to jump of might kill ect But my point wasn't that 😏
Another fabulous episode ladies. Very interesting. There was one photo error though as near the end you showed President Eisenhower with Dulles. That however was John Foster Dulles the Secretary of State and not his brother Allen.
Had the Wolff Affair ever become a public issue, I think that most citizens in Allied nations would gladly accept surrender at the price he asked. The war in Italy ended, and the Soviets were kept out too. Win-Win for everyone.
An informative and wonderful historical coverage (video) about that ( sunset or sunshine) operations .. that operations aimed to arrange German surrounded to western allies only without eastern Allen ( the USSR) . Thank you 🙏( spyes & tiys) channel for sharing
1973 Soviet series Seventeen Moments of Spring (Семнадцать мгновений весны) was based on the premise that the negotiation was an attempt to realing Germany with the western allies against the Soviet Union.
Was there a reason why one side of Anna’s shirt collar is out and the other is under her coat? Although the correction at 1:35 was super smooth - well done there :)
the presenters look so much like alike, they must be related! (Yep. Read the description. Astrid and Anna likely are, or so happen to share a specific last name!)
I've not seen these two side by side before. I wouldn't have to have heard their names to know they were mother and daughter. I'd love to see a picture of them both at Anna's age. OMG Indy! LMAO Dude, ya know that you messed up. Plural not singular. LOL Just sayin.
the Dulles brothers. they would go on to fulfill the dreams of capitalists everywhere. and play a substantial part in creating the conditions we find ourselves in today. rampant inequality, rule of the rich and moneyed, widespread poverty and repression...
@@bwarre2884 Another way? What exactly would that be? Some silly utopian fantasy, where everyone just spontaneously shares all resources (which will magically appear without hard, dangerous work) and no one will ever dispute their allocation? And neither government nor citizen will ever act out of selfishness, malice, stupidity or mental illness? Sadly, I think too many people believe in such a "way". Or they pretend to until they can achieve power and just impose their own bad ideas. "People and their values are almost infinitely diverse, and people will never agree on many elements of social arrangements that might be subjected to uniform rules of governance. Hence, the greater the scope of strictly individual self-determination, the lesser the scope of governance, and the greater the tolerance with which people live and let live among their fellows, the more peaceful and flourishing society will be." Robert Higgs
@@bwarre2884 we haven't worked out a better system to replace capitalism. Yet. The horrors of the Soviet system was the alternative choice to capitalism at that time. As far as my beliefs go, thank you for the question. I gravitate toward the Hegelian dialectic where human civilisation is moving towards a system that is a reconciliation between maket capitalism and socialism.
