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There was one point where Grievious and Anakin in arm's distance of one another. During a hostage exchange, the Seperatists handed off an unconscious Anakin to the Gungans in exchange for a tied up Grievous. They didn't actually meet, but that was the closest they were to one another until RotS
in terms of anakins personality change i always attributed it to him killing dooku changing him, during the battle of coruscant he’s being a bit more playful and less serious w obiwan sharing some banter and just generally being the anakin we know frm the clone wars, but after the fight w dooku he was obviously shook at the fact that he killed dooku out of anger, and from there palpatine feeding his anger and hate caused him to be less playful and more serious as his manipulation progessed
I always thought it was because Anakin during war is his best self, it makes him a good soldier but a terrible peacekeeper. It's when Anakin is not at war that his focus fades and he feels fear. War is his element, he unravels without it.
I have an addition for the Zillo Beast. In the Bad Batch it was proven there was at least one Zillo Beast who was cloned, likely for Palpatine to make armor for people from it's skin.
I can't remember where I saw (or read) it but I believe the Zillo Beast was to be cloned in order to research using its body armour as protection on a new generation of fighters rather than using a shield generator.
@stevengreenland8492 just did some research and I can't find sources on what it was used for, further than Palpatine saying he believes it could help the GAR
The Twileks being given French accents is probably either just an innocuous worldbuilding thing or an allusion to the French Resistance of the Second World War. Also: the idea that the French weren’t enslaved in large numbers is patently false. The Barbary pirates of North Africa operated for centuries, until the nineteenth century, and captured and enslaved at least one million Europeans in that period, and many other peoples beside. One of their hunting grounds was indeed the coasts of France.
There is... another possible, slightly more adult explanation to Twi'leks having French accents. In Star Wars, they are fairly widely recognized as... promiscuous. Prostitutes, pleasure slaves, you name it. So it's possible that that they were given French accents because the French are one of the nationalities most commonly associated with prostitution.
Fun fact, I used to be a cast member that worked at rise of the resistance and there is a backstage break room area for galaxies edge cast and the break room is called Admiral snacker
I'd think it's more likely the 03 show is the propaganda. While you can call them robotic, all the clones were super human in efficiency and we see absurd moments like jedi fist fighting through droids and winning. The way force users and grievous were portrayed as OP and the clones just being ideal soldiers strikes me as something to exaggerate and sway public judgment on the war more than an expansive story of humanization that would cast the army as fallible
I mean that's how the Jedi and SW universe are supposed to be depicted according to legends. Live action and 3D animation always misses things because we only know how to make SW "realistic".
My thoughts exactly; I came down to the comments to say this only to find someone else already said it. Another point I'd like to add is that the 08 series has at least one arc that depicts some separatists as good people(The one with Mina Bonteri). I don't recall a single instance in the 03 show where the Separatists aren't presented as the bad guys. I could be forgetting stuff in both shows though but I just wanted to add.
The fact that there’s a memorial of the clones from the battle of Geonosis makes me so sad cuz it means that after the clones were discarded, Palpatine prolly ordered it to be taken down and thrown out, mega depressing
When I saw the intro quote, "Who's the bigger fool? The fool, or the fool that follows him?" I thought it was kind of silly until I remembered that Obi-Wan Kenobi says it in A New Hope.
Ridge kind of reminds me of All Quiet on the Western Front. The main character, Paul, survives from the start of WWI in 1914, all the way till October 1918, one month before the war ended. It’s especially sad because both Ridge and Paul suffered through the entire war all for what? Just to die?
For that 2008 Clone Wars was a propaganda cartoon I'd like to point out two things. 1) propaganda cartoons do show sad and tragic things during their runs, North Korea's Squirrel and Hedgehog being one example 2) I don't see it being Republic propaganda since it does cover the events of Order 66 along with trying to excuse the clones actions during that with the inhibitor chips and clearly shows Palpatine as Sidious which I know for damn sure he wouldn't let allow while he was alive.
Another cool thing is that the canon 501st would live on after the Clone Wars and function as a stormtrooper unit under Vader just like the original cosplayers
The next time after The Lost One where Anakin and Dooku meet is actually in Saving Vos: Part I on Dooku’s dreadnought over Taris. He fought him alone while Obi-Wan went to help Asajj rescue Quinlan. Dooku got away, hence the next time they see him in ROTS, Obi-Wan says “this time we will take him together.”
There is also an episode where Cad Bane walks into a bounty hunter supply store looking for a new hat, and almost picks out the fedora of Indy, and it looks exactly like the actual hat from the Indy movies. Also Captain Rex has a subtle scar on his chin, wich is a reference to the scar Harrison Ford has on his chin in real life. And, funny enough, in The Last Crusade, they explain that Indy got his scar on his chin as a teenager from his own whip accidentaly.
One of my favourite easter eggs in the clone wars is sergeant Appo who is obviously a reference to Appa from Avatar The Last Airbender. Other than the names being similar, Appo's helmet has the arrow similar to Appa, and Dee Bradley Baker voices both characters and Dave Filoni was a director in ATLA. Pretty cool!
I have a Google Doc listing every opening quote. I also included the film, the _Dark Disciple_ novel, the _Son of Dathomir_ comic arc, and the _Siege of Mandalore_ arc, none of which have intro quotes, but are worth listing in the name of chronology.
Small correction, at 8:45 you say that Mark Hamill got into voice acting after Star Wars. He was already doing voice acting in 1972, and had 3 voice acting credits before Star Wars came out. Also, while it would be fun for Korkie to be Obi-Wan's son, the mission where he spent a year with Satine was in 42 BBY, so any child conceived during that mission would be around 20 during the Clone Wars, whereas Korkie is only about 14. Maybe they got together later after the mission, so it's technically possible but wildly improbable.
Great Iceberg-Video and an Awesome Idea. I think a nice curriosity could have been the Intro of the tCW Movie. It shows the typical "A long time ago...", but you hear clones shouting and screaming about something, that is hard to understand. Why are they shouting? Is this the sound of a battle? It had some kind of chase, because some of them mentioned a "stabilisator" and later "vulture(droid)s", which they can't outrun. We never found out, who this clones where, hat they exactly did nor if they made it out allife. Shivering... Oh, and there are some examples of dismemberment in the show, that could have been mentioned, but I think this is kind of included in the "Kids-Show" entry.
this comment isn’t really related to the video but I really wanna tell this to someone but it’s late at night. ANYWAYS, these are my top two clone wars arcs. first up we got the one with the younglings tryna built their lightsabers, and I really enjoyed how much insight this gives into what it was like growing up at the temple. it’s also always great whenever an episode has hando (or hondo?) in it. before my most fav, I gotta have an honorable mention. do any of you guys remember being scared of the mortis arc when we were younger? i still remember the day I saw it. just got back from physical therapy on a Friday night and my sister and I decided on watching an entire arc. looking back, these episodes went absolutely crazy with how much it explained and the questions it left. I really started to appreciate it after my sister and I finished rebels, which was also insane (and you can’t tell me otherwise) OK MOST FAVORITE EPISODES HERE WE GO: it was the one (either before or after the one with the younglings) when droids and the midget tried to infiltrate a separatist ship but they had issues and crashed on some remote ahh planet. IT WAS SO SURREAL LEARNING ABOUT GREGOR AND ABOUT THE DROIDS PERSONALITY and especially was crazy after watching rebels and seeing greg older with the other clones. might add more to this later because I have NOTHING going on tonight. byeeee
21:56 the reason the Twileks are french have absolutely nothing to die with slaves they have French accents because since they’re really attractive aliens and also French is considered the most romantic language
I love this! Super cool to dive into this stuff. Although, I am surprised to not see anything about the deleted episodes/arcs like the Boba Fett/Cad Bane arc, formerly deleted Bad Batch arc, Maul escaping Sidious, Ventress arc, and the Anakin/Obi Wan arc. Also there’s a whole side story with Kix discovering Order 66 as well that wasn’t mentioned. Other than that, great video!
“The best confidence builder is experience” this is my fav opening quote and opened the “Rookies” episode where domino squad was introduced, which makes it even more memorable for me. But I mostly like it because I’ve found it to be true extremely fast often.
Okay I saw the video was 27 minutes, and I was like, “enh I’ll watch a couple” but the pace and subjects were really good, and kept me hooked all the way.
KOTOR 1 & 2, TESB, ROTS, Darth Bane novel trilogy, Thrawn novel trilogy, and the Darth Plageuis novel are contenders for "Best Piece of Star Wars Content" as well.
My absolute favorite intro quote (and also the only one I can really remember) is "Trust placed in others is trust earned" That quote has taught my younger self one of the most important lessons about friendship and relationships that I, for some odd reason, never got before rewatching that particular episode for the probably 100th time when it finally clicked.
The old rebel has been retconned to be Rex and another cool thing is that he’s the old rebel that steals a storm trooper uniform just like Rex has plenty of times before.
This was a good iceberg considering I learned stuff at the end but I think the very top should be stuff that a casual fan that hasn’t seen the show would know
There's a few other things that I remember or heard about too. I don't remember the particular scene, but I remember hearing Rex one time say "light it up like a Christmas tree" on an original cartoon network airing. Another thing is one of the clones said a curse word on the episode Rookies. And, the weirdest one to me, somebody online once asked about a commercial with footage from Landing at Point Rain with some licensed music playing over it. Lost media type stuff.
22:08 If I remember well they are two explanations for the french accent of the Twi'leks 1) Twi'leks have the reputation of being beautiful and seductive, just like the stereotype of the "romantic french" 2) The Twi'lek resistance movement was inspired by the french resistance movement during WW2
Anyone else watched the theatrical release? At the time, it was something that wasn't seen before where they had plans to makes this into a weekly series right after the movie ended, which I was so stoked to be a part of. I enjoyed it thoroughly, even more so after watching Epi III 3 years earlier and needed that next level planning in the SW Universe.
R2k2 is just 1 example of starwars connection to the fans. I can't list them all in a comment but it's worth looking into if you don't know not only the real 501st involvement but other real clubs and fandums
Saw the movie in theaters as a kid. Blew my mind. I like to thing the imperial march is the main theme of the sith. After all, it's just a lower bass replica of the Republic anthem. And the sith live to mach everything the Jedi stand for. Now as for the two Anakin's theory, how exactly would that work? At the end of the show, we see him leave with Kenobi on the same ship. Presumably they were on the bridge the entire time trying to figure out what's happening and come up with a plan. How could he be replaced if they went to the hanger together after they arrived over the capital?
Here is a super deep iceberg entry. In the episode "The Academy", in the classroom, after Korkie states something along the lines of "you sound like my mother, more than a jedi" the school bell rings. If you listen very closely once the bell ends, you can hear what sounds like a faint truck backup "beep" in the background as Ahsoka stares back at him. Could this just be nothing or is it possible that during the recording session, somehow, in someway, the microphone picked up a construction or garbage truck backing up outside of the studio?
Cad Banes Hat doesn't look anything like Indiana Jones hat, however in season 4 episode 16 when Cad Bane, Moralo Eval, and Obi-Wan (disguised as Rako Hardeen) go to get new clothes and weapons after escaping prison, Bane does initially pick up a fedora (like Indiana Jones) and then puts it down to select a hat more befitting of his type. His hat is more like Angel Eyes's hat from "The Good the Bad and the Ugly"
One point on the twileks having French accents- though the French themselves weren’t enslaved, they certainly colonised huge parts of Africa so there is a high chance that many enslaved people over history have spoken French. But I think the main reason the twileks have French accents is because, especially in the original trilogy, twileks were dancers and sex symbols and French is the language of love
23:47 ALSO, Korkie is clearly not the son of Bo-Katan (otherwise he would most likely be pro-Death Watch). As far as we know, Satine and Bo-Katan don't have any other siblings. Pretty suspicious.
there is a kind of convention on at least pow rights in universe, the yavin code, which is mentioned by obi-wan in the unfinished crystal crisis arc when a battle droid is preparing to execute him. presumably there’s other stuff in there that’s analogous to our geneva convention, but it’s never made clear
Rex On Endor and Nick Sant - I read a shortfic about Luke talking to Rex on Shuttle Tyderium on the way to Endor. That fic had Luke considering he has trouble differentiating between Rex and Nick. I like that idea, that the team had two older bearded members.
The other point on Korkie Kryze is it is very unclear who - if not a "Korkie Kenobi" scenario - is his mother. Bo-Katan was kidnapped as a child and brainwashed into becoming Death Watch. Now I admit, I have one idea of a possible background, besides the obvious idea of a third Kryze sibling, and that is Korkie is not Satine's direct nephew, but the son of a cousin within the Kyrze Clan. When his parents were killed for one reason or another, Satine, as head of the Clan, took guardianship over him. The Aunt/Nephew titling is not a direct Ba'Vodu/Bu'Ad link, but more honourary titles as they are kindred and Satine is an adult while Korkie is still a minor. This concept of Korkie not being a direct nephew is one based on my own family relationships. I grew up in a church where I had three aunts who were also members. Only one of those women was Mum's sister, while the other two were second cousins to Mum. It is a shortcut title acknowledging a relative who is an adult when one is a child, so I feel that could be a valid interpretation of how Korkie is related to Satine.
@3:30 One of the reasons this show was so great was at the beginning it was pretty tame and you could make that "it's for kids" argument and that's probably where it came from but as you grow up in real life the show does to, it gets darker and more adult oriented as the show goes on. Also I remember Watto's character along with Nate Gunray getting heat for stereotyping a greedy jew and a greedy Asain.
I think a good one for the next video would be “Episode 3 master cuts”. When the final season dropped, a lot of fans made edits of Episode 3, the final episodes set during Order 66, and even the Battle of Coruscant into chronological movies. I watched it this way as a 7-hour cut before watching it all separate, and I'd recommend it to any Star Wars fan as the most compelling way to see 66 play out.
The rancor scene being in the movie but there being some weird Version were it is and it also being in the books that I read like once as a kid was so confusing to me. Made me have a huge Mandela effect type thing.
Small correction: Anakin and Dooku face off in between the Season 6 duel and Episode 3 during the Dark Disciple novel and are pretty much evenly matched, while dooku still dominates the fight. (Which might be soon retconned by Bad Batch season 3😢, lets pray not). Great video. Could you uimagine doing one for rebels?
Lucas first referenced the 501st by naming the blue painted clones from episode 3 as such in one of the promotional materials, and their lore was first expanded upon in the original battlefront 2s campaign, years before they were in the Clone Wars show
The Korkie-Wan theory is pretty cool, but the timeline doesn't add up like at all. Korkies a teen in the show, meaning he'd be born about 10 years before the war. Around the same time, Obi Wan dealt with losing Qui Gon & taking Anakin under his wing. When in that time frame could he do the dirty? At best he'd have done it months or weeks prior to the events of TPM, but by then he was too devoted to the jedi code and proving himself to the council and his master. The fact that Kenobi doesn't seem to know Bokatan is related in the s5 arc, nor does he ever mention looking for the boy or ask if he's alright during the battle kinda seals the deal on this one.
It does make sense in the timeline - Satine's and Obi-Wan's romance happened few years before Phantom Menace, during the time when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were assigned to protect Satine for a year because of mandalorian "revolution attempts" and the radical mandalorians wanted to kill her. Obi-Wan was 25 years old in the phantom Menace, so his age also "supports" the theory. Also if Obi-Wan knew about Korkie, he definitely would have left the Jedi order, and most probably Satine wouldn't tell Obi-Wan that he has a kid.
God damn that was good timing I’m watching clone wars right now for the first time I’m only in season 2 Is the vid safe or are there many spoilers for me?
*videos not vids. I do not understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.
I think that the korkie nephew kid could possibly be bo katan’s kid, but i’m pretty sure she was never in a relationship with anyone. However she is satine’s sister, so it could be possible EDIT: the fandom states he is the nephew of both of them, so i’m probably wrong.
Man, it’s weird hearing people talk about not necessarily knowing about the original 2003 one. I grew up with that before the ‘08 version, and was so hyped for it when it finally did come out. I’m getting old lol
So in defense of Lee not voicing dooku in the show and only the movie, it all came down to his age. As he got older he wqs much more selective on the roles he took as he wanted said roles to be meaningful.
