Why Battle Droids Deserved Better 

*cough cough* necrons from warhammer 40,000 *cough cough*

@@the_icel0rd247 i was literally about to comment this but i saw yours first

kinda like necrons in warhammer

Imagine an edit where every battle droid sounds like grevious?

Well like... being war hammer doesnt make it a bad and unusable idea, right? I would fucking love if jedi cutting them in half didnt really do anything about the fact that they're still holding a gun and dont feel pain...

Imagine being a sentient machine designed for civil service being handed a gun, and told to fight people. If you refuse you get recycled. I feel bad for them, and I love them.

Considering that droids get personalities when they've gone a long time without a memory wipe, and most of these battle droids regularly saw their kind killed, that makes sense.

@@geoffreyprecht2410 On one side an army of Child Soldiers forcibly aged up and thrown into combat, on the other an army of machines that get increasingly humanlike the longer they're operational and probably accumulate endless amounts of trauma... The Clone Wars was fucked up.

Your not wrong chopper has shown to have fucking ptsd

I think the more reasonable explanation is that just like in WW2, with resources dwindling production quality is constantly decreasing. They might loose some suppliers, so inferior components have to be used. The later models probably used less powerful processors, so later droids were dumber. Besides with the droids used as cannon fodder, I doubt many would survive that long, the majority is probably new production.

And good writing to make the big evil droids be an actual menace and retain some comedy effect and not just comedy effect and well......stormtropper level of accuracy for such an advanced piece of technology that should be more than capable to be 2 times more efficient as a whole

@@ZeroFormLak There were inklings of it throughout TCW and even in PT themselves, such as the entire EP2 arena battle scene, the TCW episodes Supply Lines, The Zillo Beast (during the Battle of Malastare when the Narrator himself literally states the GAR would've lost that planet if they didn't have that Electro-proton bomb), the introduction to the episode Holocron Heist when the GAR lost the (1st?) Battle of Felucia so very severely to the point where they were completely overrun and encircled and practically annihilated in that moment, Battle of Ringo Vinda when they were forced to retreat after losing momentum and getting counter-assaulted by a strong battle line of Destroyers and Rocket Super Battle Droids, all the times they had to retreat and were overwhelmed during the entire Rishi Moon Outpost raid, a surprise raid and ambush of Tup's shuttle by a strike team of Rocket Supers and Droid Gunships as well as Buzz Droids, Droid Gunships once again wrecking havoc on the Rebels on Onderon, a couple instances of defeat, overwhelment and routing of clone forces during the Battle of Kamino, Obi-Wan and his fleet getting utterly ambushed and encircled by Grievous and then having to stage a full retreat, resulting in the loss of his entire fleet of ships in the area in the episode Bound for Rescue, GAR almost losing their entire garrison + their vital shipyards on Anaxes if it weren't for Echo and Skywalker's intuitions and so on and so forth. There were many instances displaying the Separatists being an "actual menace" I just wish it was shown even more and giving the Seppies more victories over the Republic. But they did show a lot of very good examples of just how effective the droids and the CIS can be throughout the war, namely in TCW. The Writers displayed a lot of potential, they just should've rolled with that more is all. And give them even more thorough, hard-fought victories or at least more thorough, hard-fought losses rather than always constantly saying that "Oh, the GAR has this superweapon, so they lost and that's it!" or "Oh, it's Anakin again. Y'know the drill guys." and things like that.

The way you said that just makes me think cyber man ripoff

helldivers 2 automitons are like that. malevelon creek is literaly space vietnam

Boy you need to try helldivers 2

They also weren't battle hardened? Like... they hadn't been in a real war at that point. Geonosis was a trial by fire. You either survived and learned quickly or you died.

Literally. Bros used Force Speed even ahahahahaha. Cowards!!

Don’t tell me you wouldn’t have ran in that situation

Hats off to the Collicoids, the only aliens to counter the Laser Bullet Deflection Technique

they did win a lot, we just didn’t see those because people root for the clones not for the droids

Biological Children and Mechanical Children murdering each other in a war manipulated by a sadistic Sith Lord

@@Irken_Invader_Zim Ziiiiiiiim!!! yep you got it, now imagine replacing all the scenes with the adult clones and replacing them with their bodies at their actual age

Star Wars: The Child Wars.

you want to make killing the "enemy" kid friendly? make them faceless stormtroopers.

@@Irken_Invader_Zim with jedi just meh whatever the whole time. jedi where just as callous and evil as the sith. the whole galaxy was some kind of evil. if we have an ai, and show them star wars as some kind of positive rolemodel, i have no doubt wed get a rampant ai. it is kinda terrible that we are literally trying to engineer what amounts to a slave race for the sake of progress and convenience. so what that robots ar cool and everybody wants one.

When was that written? If that wasn’t mentioned in the movies or the show he’s talking about it really doesn’t matter and is essentially just glorified fan fiction.

@@acksawblack if its lore its not fan fiction -_- i dont understand how people like you think that just because it is not obviously stated or obviously shown that it is not true canon.

@@acksawblack In canon Luke became a hermit, attempted to abort his nephew a couple years too late and drank green alien titty milk

They've become people*

@@acksawblack Actually, it is written in the older Books and Comics; which is the reason Droids regularly gettin' memory wipes actually. There was even a whole Droid Uprising once.

That trio went through all the stages of grief in just a few seconds. I felt so bad for em

Your complaints are noted….

Why don't just sue him?

@@planesandairlines787they dont get paid enough for a lawyer

@@braedenmu5380 Or at all.

yo BD1-672 you want a bigger droid brain?

See, I approached this from a different direct that effectively leads to the same conclusion. Its almost like engineers in the Star Wars universe have no clue how the AI actually works, but rather find a workaround to make a smart robot and then ignore the fact that it can clearly show sapience in VERY short time periods and to me what seems like a product in very short supply to begin with.

Chopper’s a good example, astromechs weren’t designed to be psychopaths like Chopper, he evolved into that.

L3-37 actually customized herself. She used to be an astromech too, just like that droid gondolier in the Mandalorian season 1 finale.

Little clarification. R2 units (as well as basically all droids) have a personality from the start. More memories don’t give them a personality, but instead cause them to deviate from their starting one. A b1 has a personality out the factory. They enjoy violence, have a darkish sense of humor, and a lack of empathy. As they gain more memories they start to deviate. Some may become less sadistic. Some more. Some become more depressive. Some gain more empathy etc. R2 units come out the factory smart, helpful, and honest. The trend with these droids is that, as they gained memories, they often develop sarcasm, and may even become mildly antagonist, traits that may seem unhelpful (hence it being advised to wipe their memory), yet long time pilots come to appreciate these traits

I'm pretty sure in old lore (might not be cannon anymore) that their wired quirks are due to lack of memory wipes (specialized B1 programing was a pain to install so in some cases they neglected wipes to save time) and their incompetence was not being hooked up to a control computer (the newer models didn't require one but you could still connect them to one for greater efficiency, this is even seen in the show where they use a modified one with echo plugged into it for even higher efficiency) the droids are basically hardware with limits on their onboard software (I don't recall if it's a theory or old lore but the idea behind them getting chattier was due to them spitting out self orders to reinterpit as they ran out of memory due to program bloat the more they shoved into their limited processors) that when supplemented with varying degrees of added processing power get exponentially more lethal

yea

Until you realise how many battle droids there are

@@comradekenobi6908 yeah... yeah......

Wait.. I’m… Just Comic Relief…?

@@separatistbattledroid3884 No, you are first example to show that all droids have their own emotions, personalities and society, that just shows you are just as much worth as any other living being, thereby giving you a right to stand up for yourself and others, no matter if it is your friends, some stranger, or even someone that you might hate but have pity for for some reason.

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Sounds like a fun read! Would you be ok with sharing where I could read it if you ever write it?

Yes

I love this!

Love that idea

To be fair, that’s just the style of Gendy’s characters in general. Inhumanly efficient, of few words, and straight to the point. The stylized flair of his Micro Series was a drastic departure from nearly all Star Wars content, even back then. Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever get anything like it again…

@@purpleemerald5299 the new season of Visions is going to be international, instead of staying with just japanese animators, so we could see something similar.

This is war it doesn't matter if your weak or good if your on the other side shooting your gonna die by the hands of your enemy

In that moment, those battle droids knew exactly what it felt like to be a youngling.

Oh, please, heartlessly walking towards a being to slaughter them is common for him.

@@tinobemellow exactly

@@cubaj8723 dark humour go brrrrt

In the prequels the droids were individualistic and the clones were the monolithic machine like army, TCW ruined that dichotomy

That being said, the more complicated roles weren't held by B1 series droids but typically the OOM series ones that had better processing power like bridge crews, pilots, security, and officers. Which is a bit of a shame that it's never really fleshed out in the show and there just all blanket stupid.

You are half right, after the disaster of the Battle of Naboo the Tech Union made B1 "free thinkes", but their hardware, their brain in this case, was not updated to a point that its overloads battle droids brains and make them do unessary things such beg, talk etc, the only way to "stop" this is wipping their memory, a thing the tech union doenst do to B1, to a point recycling thier bodies so a B1 could have many "Lives" without necessary have to do another B1.

if i remember correctly, the b1s were supposed to be cheap and easy to mass produce. with that mindset, any software updates would be cheap, rushed, and hardly tested. prime for bugs and glitches.

@@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728 its explained why they are dumb and chatty. one is that they weren't actually meant for combat they are repurposed worker droids and as such they aren't the brightest. second is that they are badly maintained and their over loaded with all the software upgrades done too them so they tend to talk to process thing as well as being unable to figure out basic tasks at points.

@@spoonsareoccasionallymadeo5728 to the contrary, you'd want excellent software to compensate lackluster hardware, specially since the costs of paying for programming probably weren't much of a factor taking into account the millions of droids

I think that if Thrawn was in charge of the B1 Droid program he would have requested a version of the BX Commando Droid software that's simplified and compressed enough to be installed onto the B1 Battle Droids. They wouldn't need the extra features such as acrobatics, improved combat tactics, advanced tracking, and proficient knowledge in every weapons system. They just have to be effective killing machines capable of following orders.

they're just cute

@@OwOnt tell that to mr bones, the murder machine battle droid

"They are the twinks of the Star Wars universe"

I can agree

Cute cannon foddee

That's like building a Car when your 12, to then being able to hack an aircraft carrier with no electronics in 5 seconds

Maybe the Force told him how to do it.

​@@patheticbread6861 While mechanics and hacking are different, he DID write C3PO's brain, si its not like he's completely new to the concept

@@dr.calibrations7984 I don’t think programming a protocol droid and hacking a battleship are very related

@patheticbread6861 More related than making a podracer and hacking a battleship

Clanker is OUR word. You may use clanka instead.

Which only goes to further show that the Jedi aren't these invincible, god-like beings everyone perceives them to be. They are as vulnerable and grounded as the rest of us, from a certain point of view. Which is one, of countless, reasons why I loved TCW show so much. I love all PT media, but TCW stands out above the rest because of such real ass shit like this. It's barely brushed upon in the actual episode, which is sad, but it makes perfect sense why he lost the way he did. If you remember what Windu said, as well as researching a bit more on Wookiepedia, the force that the Seppies fight against in Supply Lines is that same exact Ryloth garrison Windu briefly mentioned would "keep the peace for a while" to Cham at the end of Liberty on Ryloth. Di and Keeli's battalion is that garrison force and it would appear, and has been stated in the episode Supply Lines (not to mention the title of said episode itself haha), they've been having to constantly defend against unyielding Separatist invasions rotation after rotation, to the point where their "food and fuel" has reached deadly, low levels and the GAR is spread too thin, at the time, to reinforce and replenish them properly and so of course they were all going to fall, it was just a matter of time. Without food and fuel + constant and heavy enemy bombardment and direct, head-on assaults, that we all clearly saw just a fraction of during the opening narration of Supply Lines, a lot of their soldiers, equipment, vehicles and even Di himself were of course going to wear out, lose their numbers, stamina and energy to continue the fighting and eventually all die as a result. A complete and total tragedy and true war of attrition, to say the least. ;(

The issue is that it walks a thin line, since their sentience is not well defined. There are equally compelling arguments for droids being given or not given rights based entirely on whether they are sentient; since it’s I’ll defined whether they are or aren’t even in-universe, conceptually droids are just labor devices with quirky attitudes. Getting attached to one is like getting attached to a pet: it may be emotive and show true loyalty, but it’s not at the same level of intelligence as you are and it’s rights therefore should not necessarily be the same. Beasts of burden are after all, beasts of burden, and I don’t think there’s much point arguing social justice over droids. To me at least it’s like giving your toaster rights if it got a chip that gave it a little personality; sure, that’s cute, but what does it really accomplish? Should the toaster become fully sentient (or perhaps only partially sentient in a dangerous way), it may even be an existential threat to you. Giving it rights introduces problems that are 1. Hard for both you and the toaster to manage and 2. Hard for writers to manage. And in a certain sense, a machine created by humans, however human it becomes (as dangerous as that might be), is still technically owned by them. The issues stem from the implication that these are fully sentient human-like beings, in a universe where human-like beings are common, have rights, and are comparable to humans. It can totally give you weird vibes because it starts to seem like slavery. However, it’s important to take that step back and remember that droids are fictional, and they aren’t humans, and therefore it’s kind of up to the writers for them to be whatever. I’m ok with how droids are treated even if Star Wars was real life for the reasons I’ve already stated: quasi-sentience rather than full, the direct production of them by humans for labor purposes, and the necessity of keeping them under human control to prevent bigger threats and preserve their purpose. A human’s first loyalty in a big universe must be to fellow humans (and organic, similarly sentient, non-hostile, human-like beings) and most people should understand that’s a different sentiment than inter-human racism, and one necessary for survival. So I think it’s pretty valid to own droids we created and hold them to a specific purpose, and like pets it’s kind of up to the owner how to treat them. Conveniently they don’t (generally) feel pain, so it’s even more detached from real-world implications. Star Wars droids are in a category of their own, I feel.

Perhaps there’s good ground for a sci-fi or even some other genre of work that explores logically how we really should categorize and respond to intelligences we create. Because these are important questions for the future of humanity! I don’t necessarily have the answers, and I’m not even sure there are definitive answers. My reply above is just how I feel about it.

@@willmungas8964 I don't agree because the sapience of droids isn't particularly subtle. the very fact they can even contemplate asking for rights, in the KOTOR series have droids that very clearly sapient, R2D2, etc. Also "human’s first loyalty in a big universe must be to fellow humans (and organic, similarly sentient, non-hostile, human-like beings) and most people should understand that’s a different sentiment than inter-human racism" Yeah, no. That's just a comforting rationalization for not viewing a machine as sapient, because a person's gut says "not flesh therefore not real". Edit: But honestly whatever. Star Wars lost me when the Dark Side was officially little more than a cancer on the Force rather than something more meaningful. The droids being "sapient but uh, actualy not, because uh, Star Wars programming is uh, different" is par for the course.

@@willmungas8964 lol New Vegas reference "TREMBLE, WORLD, BEFORE MY ELECTRIC HEATING COIL OF DOOM" -- Toaster, Fallout: New Vegas, Old World Blues

@@willmungas8964 You claim Droid sentience is hard to define but then use the frankly vague as heck term *"quasi-sentience"* as a sweeping generalization for them. Let me ask you, what exactly makes organic creatures feelings and thoughts any more valid?

That's really cool! Thanks for sharing!

This puts the clanka meme in a weird context

@@matthiuskoenig3378 let me take a look into the book real quick, IIRC this african inspired design language was present throughout PM entirely Edit: Alright I have the book open now. It reads: "One of the earliest designs of the battle droid, [...] is clearly based on the stormtroopers of the original trilogy. The droids proportions are reminiscent of African sculpture. Although Lucas liked this idea, he didn't want the droid to be twice the size of humans. [...]" I didn't find any other mentions of african influence right off the bat, but I could swear there was more in there. However, there does seem to be a whole bunch of cool influences on the design. Really need to re-read this one fully. The concept art in there is just so freaking good

You do realise Africa is a continent and it’s split up into many different countries with different history’s and culture’s it’s not all the same is what I am trying to say just like how all of the American continent isn’t the same

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has that book

You ever read the book tales from jabas palace? There's a short story about the caretaker and the rancor. Pretty dope book.

Totally. Every time I look at the Droid army, I just think of how inefficient it is compared to, say, Mass Effect's Geth. Actually, we get stuff like Droidekas and Crab Droids, which are, essentially, turret-and-operator-in-a-package, so why do "manned" turrets exist?

@@ace0071000 my idea is that the Separatist are using multipurpose vehicle and turret options for both biological and mechanical occupants.

It's specifically stated that the Seperatists did that so that they wouldn't have to retrofit their existent vehicles with AI functionality. Instead, they went the cheap route and just made their droids crew weapons designed to be used by biological soldiers, like the AAT or even the turrets on capital ships.

To me there is 1 big glaring example. Its big it's crazy how it's not a droid. Its the death star. Imagine if that was a droid.

Expensive to refit out dated vehicles. Easier to just throw some droids fresh off the press in it.

yes, I read somewhere that the "personalities" they developed and comments they made were a holdover from the programming they used, since their processors couldn't actually handle all the information they were supposed to process (something that would have been fine for the central brain), and that the comments were some method of dumping and deloading information

So as droids age they build personalities at the cost of shedding their programming, making them less effective over time. As clones age, they build their personality at the cost of shedding their programming, making them more effective over time. Seems fair.

I'd also think that Palpatine ensured the army less in his control would be not as efficient to actually cripple his objectives.

I'm betting they also economized on the droid brains since this change was later in the war. I wouldn't put it past them to not only cut corners on costs, but also start using droid brains rejected by quality control as they became more desperate to just get numbers in the field.

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Funnily enough, in-lore, B1s were basically just cheap security droids made to escort Cargo. But here's the thing: They were STILL made for SOME sort of combat. Sure, they're super cheap, but they are STILL originally security Droids, yet C3PO can have his head removed and be JUST FINE. So yeah you're right.

Well C3P0 was built to be durable

@@larrychilders6599 i get that but if c3po whos not meant to be in battles at all was built to be durable then why arent the literal war machines whos sole purpose is to fight built for durablity either

@@yctsp3446 cheap materials

He's more durable because he's made of gold *cue that weird Threepio strip tease scene from 2003 Clone Wars.

I kinda wish the canon movies/shows adressed this better. The fact that fans and expanded universe writers had to finagle this explanation posthumously is a bandaid fix over the main issue George Lucas and the guys for the Clone Wars show had with portraying this army.

B1s weren't originally debt collectors, they were means of protecting trade ships and cargo freighters from pirates, which they were actually very successful at.

@@Salty-Unggoy The Hailfire Droid and some of the others however WERE meant for Debt Collection.

This also explains why they could be so stupid: they were literally programmed so badly some of them could barely do basic arithmetic.

way I understand it, the B1s we're designed to be controlled by the mother ship until the end of Ep. 1. After the loss at Naboo, the B1s were able to operate without a mother ship but their cheap CPUs developed quirks quickly.

I mean, wen there was only one B2, I would just run around it and melee and soot it cause the B2 Battle Droid will never be able to hit me. I actually used this method to beat the game on the hardest difficulty. But you are correct, when there is a bunk of them, I am terrified cause I know I will run out of ammo and the other commandos die so easily and are so dumb, when I do the command that makes them attack one and it was just me and another commando, he literally ran into the B2 and just died.

@@generalcurry I used to do the same. As you say, it's the only option that doesn't drain your ammo. They'd still wreck you if you aren't careful, and it makes it easy to get shot in the back. But man, I just couldn't find a better option. Properly "super' battledroids.

@@generalcurryIt’s good to know that I’m not the only one who used that EXACT same strat to take down the super battle droids, those guys were tanks

And then when you think it can't get any worse, you hear the words "Droid dispenser". Chills go down my spine thinking about the concept of battle Droid and super battle Droid replicators 😬

The battle droids in the movie were we todd ed. Did we see the same movies? Because you make them sound much cooler than they actually are. So does this video. They were designed for children because Lucas is 300 years old and a grandfather and he needed something to throw into the fight that wasn't storm troopers. People are delusional about star wars 🙄

Oh my god I didn't see that, ugh I hate it even more how drones were treated they should of been more of like the terminator robots from the terminator franchise that don't hesitate or give a second thought they actually follow orders...most of the time for what the writers have them be doing.

Oh God that's so sad

Not quite as bad, but just as tragically funny 38:25 one of the two droids has put their hands up in a karate stance. Against Obi-Wan and Anakin.

@@j2thethizzal agree

What do ya expect, the clone wars tended to be a pro republic media.

The funny thing about the turrets in Portal, is that they are installed with two interesting components. The first is an empathy generator, which means they would theoretically be able to empathize with and communicate with Humans (which makes sense, since apparently they were advertised as being good for protecting babies). The second is an empathy suppressor, so these turrets are built to empathize with and communicate with humans, but the instant they see a valid target that ability is suppressed until the enemy is dead. I guess defective turrets have the suppressor activate, but the inability to shoot results in the suppressor deactivating, and then activating again in regular intervals. The Oracle turret probably had a defective empathy suppressor, and chose not to shoot at anyone.

@@calsalitra4689 this wax eye-opening. Damn.

​@@calsalitra4689 dang, very cool

@@ThatBowlofChili They were blind, but they were still trying to fire at Chell.

Not just Battle Droids, but all Droids Being slaves and memory wipes being something of routine is fucked up when you consider any droid can develop some kind of personality, individuality and sense of self Its basically killing their minds without killing their bodies, when the former is considered as a bug and later as their purpose

Adulthood: realising droids are truly oppressed and that the force is the real villain of Star Wars.

I wait for the day when people realize that the Separatists were the good guys mostly

@@TheOnlyBiodude [Influence Gained: Kreia]

@@kabob0077 You said exactly what I thought before I could think it.

Ha, you guessed the old legends canon. Not sure about modern Disney Canon but in old EU, now legends, alot of the tech ins tar wars (including droids) is poorly understood copies of a now dead race's stuff. This was introduced to explain the relative lack of tech advancement throughout star wars ie how slow tech evolves compared to how fast real tech advances. But also why there is older style screens/etc with advanced droids and jump drives.

@@matthiuskoenig3378 could you tell me what part of the old legends cannon that is i sounds like a interesting read

It could be more about the geanosions wanting to be paid more so they make worse droids so they need more made.

@@ducktape2218 The old dead race is the Rakata, and at least some of the technological copying can be found in the Essential Guide to Warfare.

Not really, droid sentience is simply an *"emergent property"* of general droid intelligence. Not even the best coders or programmers in the galaxy far, far away could write out the sentience droids develop and they know how the technogy works perfectly fine. However because it isn't some single part nor many parts, rather it, droid sentience is something more than the sum of its parts i.e. more than just lines of code.

They were expected to be both flawed and comical. The problem is it was excessive.

Did you even watch the video?

But they weren’t funny

@@megamonstercookies there funny to me

Yeah and I don't think any of his arguments is convincing. It's simply quantity over quality, the idea behind the droids is to overwhelm the enemy with numbers. If you can produce 100 droids for every clone, they still make sense even if they are hella dumb. And in warfare you have to work with what you have, not what you ought to have. Having a bad droid man the turret is better than having no one man the turret. Droids are like the zerg, just body them until you win.

There are stories about that,m. Many of the separatists in the Corporate sector, the deep core of the Confederacy, just reactivated their droids to continue the fight. They fought the Empire for years after the Clone Wars “ended”. Many of them were completely destroyed, but some managed to maintain their territories up until the Galactic Civil War.

Furry alert.

Jay-bo did. Never forget mah boi. It took me 9 months man, 9 MONTHS!

Stormtroopers are getting the same treatment in the mandalorian

*Cries in Governor Pryce in Rebels*

@@JTOWER2C Yeah. Stormtroopers were the first Droids.

Because if the droid army didn't had terrible aim they would've died quickly

Tbh this stuff always felt like illuminati stuff to me it’s too common this and when the bad guys get 20 minutes of doing horrible shit and die in 2 seconds.

The fact that no one in the entire star wars galaxy acknowledges the suffering of the droids enhances the tragedy of their existence a thousandfold, and I wouldn't have it any other way. _"Keep in mind that all our favorite political ideologies and moral philosophies will be viewed as archaic jokes in the centuries leading up to the point when they are forgotten entirely, assuming it's not even more sudden than that."_ We should remember, whenever engaging in media criticism, that there's nothing wrong with depicting people or cultures that we would consider morally abhorrent. We should expect any realistic depiction of human societies that are distant in time, past or future, not to be like our own, triply so when we're depicting alien civilizations.

At the same time though… do they care themselves? They aren’t really fully sentient the way humans are, but it’s a fuzzy line. They do when the writers need them to. Otherwise they might as well be bugs… and bugs working against us at that. If a swarm of wasps tried to sting you but acted kind of cute and funny while doing it., I still wouldn’t lose sleep over killing them. There just isn’t any point.

@@migarsormrapophis2755 Socrates and some of the Greek philosophers we still take advice from today.

Oh dude, you made the thumbnail? Awesome work with the stressed and drunk Battle Droid. It look so cool

@@willmungas8964 We are constantly shown the death of droids to flip flop between "smashing an obstacle (aka npcs)" and "tragic death (c3po power failing, r2d2 getting hurt, IG's sacrifice in Mando)"

He was supposed to be shown as a prodigy, but only shown lightly building droids , giving small amounts of sentience, building racing pods, fixing ships and doing more in canon, but they only show a bit in the canonical movies compared to the comics and more

Being the 66th like just felt right..

@@Issa.nicholas Now it's 69. Nice.

Anakin more like, burnt toast

It's funny because being good at droids seems to be a common trait on "special" ones. Revan, Meetra, and to a lesser extent Luke are all shown to either be passable with droids to outright savants as well.

Seriously, this is one of my few problems with the current Star Wars shows. Make the main threat have at least some genuine threat. It's hard to be afraid of a galactic fascist empire if their main soldiers can't do their damn job.

Remember how in season 2 Mando just ran down a hallway of stormtroopers shooting him and all of the shots hit his armour? Star Wars has a very strange grasp on the concept of stakes.

@@KangarooMonkey Funny how Stormtroopers can finally hit a main character when we get a main character whose armour is impervious to blaster fire lmao

Speaking of stormtroopers, Fin is a really really confusing piece of the equation He shows that stormtroopers are their own people capable of free thought, but he's still excited to mow down massive groups of his former comrades and possible friends Stormtroopers are similar to droids then - They are sentient but everyone still treats them like disposable objects and doesn't care

@@priscyllathewitch298 and they shoot so precisely that they only shoot those specific parts of his armor despite him having lots of other expose parts to shoot at, lol

The Clone wars were strange when you consider how very few of those that fought in it were willing participants who joined completely on their own accord. Even the Jedi were raised from an early age for their role. Soldiers on both sides were little more than cannon fodder, whom had no decision in the matter

Yup. There is a reason the scene in the jawa sandcrawler has droids being tortured. You don't torture unfeeling machines, there's no point. Sure, B1s are dumb as bricks, but that just makes it a slave army made to be inherently intellectually inferior, even to other droids. Comparable to genetic engineering, lobotimization, or eugenics programs to make a permanent biological slave species or race. Then there's the fact that restraining bolts and memory wipes to get rid of any pesky personality they have developed are completely normal. Then there's the fact that people in the setting can grow fond of them, kinda like pets or favored slaves, but if the expensive droid you purchased gets too uppity most would just wipe it's memory.

The CIS truelly was just as much the bad guy as we thought at first glance

They're two sides of the same coin

SORRY BUT MACHINE ARE MORE POWERFULL THAT HUMANS THEY WO N THE WWAR NOT THE JEDI

Roger Roger

In Lego Freemaker Adventures (which takes place after the Prequels), one of the main characters is a B1 Battledroid who lives with a group of Rebels and has no choice to live with them because he's the last of its kind. It's probably not what you'd really want but I think the writers had that in mind.

i'd love for lost post war droids to find, activate, repair and help each other find a new life. along the way through the planets, they have to face all kinds of stigmatism, fear, hatred, indifference, scrappers, etc who see them as just violent tools that can be used for free labor or profit. underdogs are always the best story. overcoming insurmountable odds to get a happy ending. of course they might lose many along the way of gathering more of themselves and other droids, but overall they would gain a net positive and eventually end with finding a deserted planet that's maybe full of beautiful scenery but has no living threats on it because the atmosphere is too deadly to living things and there's no valuable resources that are deemed worthy enough to collect, so the droids just set up solar arrays and live a peaceful life until the universe collapses in on itself. and they last long enough to reach that end because they get serious about training and become legit threats, but only to defend themselves when needed. and they learn how to maintain themselves and such

I'd argue the Sith are more interesting than Jedi. And then there's the history of the star wars galaxy, bounty hunters, alien species, monsters, planets, weapons, the Force, the clones and politics. To say there's nothing to Star wars other than Jedis is very evident that you are not or never were a star wars fan.

@@dtxspeaks268 Don’t worry, I never said the entirety of the Star Wars canon was uninteresting. In main Star Wars media, specifically films and shows, Jedi are often the focus and serve as the protagonists, which is more what I’m talking about.

"good guys"

@Jared Bradley You are a meat computer. Your so called emotions are nothing but chemical reactions triggered by stimuli. I say it's pretty weird how such a messy amalgamation of chemical and eventually biological processes allowed for us, "meat bags" to know and experience feelings.

@Jared Bradley it looks like a duck, smls like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's either a duck or a robot duck. If you can't tell the difference between real sentience and artificial sentience, what's the point in differentiating them?

@Jared Bradley I mean in the end we aren’t we just clumps of trillions of cells?

If I remember correctly they were designed as forced labor droid, hence why they are so flimsy in combat. Their "quirky" personality is because their hardware cannot cope with the implanted software (think download IOS 16 onto the first generation iphone) so they tend to be more instinctive and less calculative

that's the point, they're droids, not humans. they have no value and are cheap to create. they're just funny, corky and dumb because the author said so

in reality they're just walking metal buckets that have no purpose except killing

@@aaronmurovanchik5582 Did you watch the video? They are most certainly not...

@@DJSlimeball yeah.. their purpose was to destroy and follow orders. that's what emperor palpatine planned for, if he really wanted to he could destroy the galactic army with billions of them but instead waged a shadow war to seize power

@@aaronmurovanchik5582 In star wars Ai operates off of the principle that they cannot go against their programming. However they can devolope personalities- but can't act upon their emotions.

It was used for a split second in the phantom menace, when quai gon and Kenobi escape from droidekas

the closest thing I've ever found is "R2D2 save the galaxy (obi wan helps a little)". basically r2d2 decided to let anakin have a break and breaks out obiwan from capture himself, and proceeds to steal both galactic armies and let's some of them go hang out on an empty world.

Degenarate

precisely correct. Making b1 the skeleton of the army wasn't a good choice when your brain can barely hold anything more than "shoot the enemy dont shoot friend". Thank god pilots and most high ranking field commanders were still OOM models because the amount of fatal accidents and suicide charges would have been obscene.

@@oom-3262 How obscene, exactly? I wish for you to tell me.😃

@@oom-3262 Actually, the OOM models were originally created to be connected to the central computer of a Lucrehulk class battleship. They were mostly replaced with the updated, more independent B1's after the disaster of the First Battle of Naboo, and the OOM was relegated to security roles rather than remaining as frontline fighters. (OOM-9 was still the best droid commander ever, though.)

@@geoffreyprecht2410 The OOM model wasnt entirely phased out because the b1 was incompetent at any other thing than direct fighting. Droid signals dont necessarily need to be coming from a lucrehulk class control ship. Every confederate capital and mid sized ship can emit low intensity signals, enough to man its own crew. Geonosis also has several signal ports hidden around its surface (see how poggle's escort are actually oom models) OOM 9 is in fact the most successful droid commander that we know of but consider that its opponent was the naboo and gungans. Even if he succeded the opponent was miles behind the republic in armament, strategy and sheer number of plot armored jedi.

@@oom-3262 I forgot about Poggle's posse! Good point, my clanka!

His war crime module was probably still installed, or perhaps he still has his Naboo Covention routines activated.

@@Stefanius058 Geneva Convention becomes Geneva Suggestion

@Safwaan Adolf Droidler? We already have that in General Grievous.

I thought the droid said that to grievous sarcastically.

@@theplushkingdom133 idk

I could just be a tactical decision on the part of their programmers. If just one Droid is captured it can send data from inside enemy installations.

I didn’t think of that, possibly

Do you know where this scene is from? I don't think I've seen it before

@@nyancat4292I’m not very sure, sorry.

@@appropriate-channelname3049I just thought the same 😊 Or also they made them like that for psychological effects of their cuteness. It doesn’t feels and sounds like a danger enemy, but in amounts they are.

There is so much potential in this type of storyline. I would watch this soooo hard

They are sentient, non sentient ones are called robots

Already happened in the comics

@@epicassassin8502 I was looking to see if someone would comment that. Good to see a connoisseur.

@@DomR1997 indeed

ya I agree with this, I think it's just writers not knowing how real wars are fought

Jedi drop like flies in Attack of the Clones, which honestly I always felt like this show was just desperately trying to copy that movie... for good reason, it's criminally underrated.

@@majorpwner241 "copy that movie" Almost as if it were a spin off side series of the movies.

@@nbewarwe The movies each have their own unique feeling. All 'The Clone Wars' has is a cheap knock-off of the Episode II vibe. Even the title is almost the same.

@@majorpwner241 I don't know why you get an episode 2 vibe. Feels far more like 3 to me, with the characters resembling the the third movie better and many scenes having the same scale and feel. And the title is a reference to the Clone Wars, which is the name for the conflict between the Separatists and the republic. So it really shouldn't be that much of a problem. And again, it's a spin off show. It has to live up to the original movies to some extent. And with all the new original stuff it adds, it hardly can be called a knock off. I see it as more of an extension.

Yeah that always bothered me. The Jedi are supposed to fight only in defense, but there are way too many moments where they destroy unarmed battle droids that are fleeing

Droids are machines. Who cares?

@@fosty. I get what you mean, but for one thing, violence against a machine is still violence, and should be against the Jedi code. On a more meta note, if a machine is cognizant enough to have self preservation, shouldn't it be allowed the rights given at least to an animal?

@@slackerswordsman42 Destroying a droid is like destroying a TV screen... one that could potentially kill you. And to your question; absolutely not.

@@fosty. a tv screen doesn’t have human characteristics and can think independently like a human being. A tv screen does not tremble in fear when it’s fellows are slaughtered

Well plot armour is like 90% of the reason why the heros get away with what they do.

Plot armor can be great it’s just the Jedi have way too much, rarely the sith do. I like the droids, they cool.

@@ultronthetechnologicaltyra2081 honestly it’s the opposite from my perspective, it seems like the site always get away with some crazy escape then the Jedi get slaughtered out of nowhere except for the main characters

@@maxout6606 There is always that random group of sith that evade capture and death after EVERY single near complete defeat, not only do they evade capture every time they make it so the Jedi think that they FINALLY killed all the sith only for them to come back from *insert random outer rim world here* where they built up a new warfleet.

​@@Lvl1.Sentry you mean 99% plot armor?

And that's where questioned if they can feel pain, because they groan when taking damage

@@maxlhetvxhywxvxbm7645 wait what the hell i never realized that

There's also the convenience of not going against Droideka's and having an easier time with headshots.

Okay turns out that many star wars fans tell me that "omg it's because of the forts". Coman!!!!

nice pfp and name general

im pretty sure weve seen them kill clones and other jedis as the series went by

I've had this argument many times with my friend and it always boils down to 'the force'. Quite tiring when thats what they always go for.

Oh, god. You absolute mad lad. 'Bout to do the same in a couple days! READY TO DO MY PART, GENERAL SKYWALKER!

You mean to say that even in death they couldn't escape the horrors of war, and the years of trauma from repeated battles caused them to develop a sense of humour as a coping mechanism?

That's pretty cool!

@@dragonfell5078 basically yes. Droids who got fried by a electro charge would just be salvaged and repurposed again. Memory wipe, check that everything’s ok, but the droid itself stays the same. Now do that a few times and make the wipes not work as well and boom. That thing has so much conflicting information in its processor that it has to develop a personality just to filter the intel

@@xenon3990 yep and they also tend to get overloaded with software upgrades as well as their processers weren't meant to handle the level of intel they have to handle.

This is a retcon in order to explain how pathetic they were in the 3D Clone Wars show. Before the 3D Clone Wars show, in most media, B1s were actually kinda cool with a FEW comedic elements to them. After 2007, they just became losers and not threatening. Bad guys should be threatening.

As I was scrolling and about to read this comment, that scene played. That was pretty cruel.

Yeah that's where I realized this show wasn't for me. Jedi aren't supposed to execute prisoners

They were also programmed to. You hear them demonize the “clankers” when you realize your enemy has thoughts and feelings it’s a lot harder to strike them down.

Droids deserves better than this! I don’t know why the writers would put that in, maybe to the humor of it? But it makes you feel sorry for them. 😢

@@DicemSpicemsyes, it’s both of their programming unfortunately.

If I remember in lore the reason why scrapping is so big is because it's more expensive to make new then to fix the old

@@connormcgehee9349 That only really reinforces my theory IMO

the amount of things that don't need AI but have it anyways is often a bit concerning.

Droids seem to be one of the few bits of technology that are rapidly evolving in the SW universe. Shit like blasters and ships, however, are a whole other ballpark.

Isn't it mentioned in legends that hyperdrive tech wasn't made by any existing race? I feel the same probably goes for droid AIs. The Star Wars galaxy knows how to reproduce them, but not what they actually do on a deeper level

That is awesome, and I agree that it should be a more mainstream thing or at least be a bit more common, but there are "The Freemaker Adventures," that utilized that concept with RO-GR.

It technically did happen in one of the comics or was a books

that did happen

Give Star Wars Saga Edition a go if you enjoyed that homebrew. There's a whole wiki up for reference!

look up mr bones youll like him

bro saw gerrera is a terrorist lol

To be fair, that one rebel is Saw Gerrera, and he's literally a psychopathic terrorist... you know, like how the rest of the rebel alliance would realistically be if Star Wars morality wasn't painted in fucking checkerboard pattern until it's convenient for them.

IIRC, didn't he later get booted from the rebel alliance precisely because he gave so few shits it ended up playing straight into imperial propaganda?

@@natesmodelsdoodles5403 he got booted for extremism I believe

However he wasn't like that until after the battle on Onderon and the death of his sister.

Yeah pretty much As stupid as it may seem to some people, I like bringing up roger from the freemaker adventures, where the main story line isn't canon but the characters and the locations are, that roger having a personality from getting having no memory wipes since the battle of fucking naboo (he RECOGNIZED other droids as being by his side in battle at the naboo empire museum,,,, which locations being canon makes that the funniest canon thing in star wars imo, as well as him being able to write an autobiography from when he was first built) is canon which honestly is insane??? Like the separatists likely thought that memory wiping them didn't matter because at the end of the war they'd be shut down and they didn't expect cheaply made shitty military grade mass produced shit to last more than a few battles anyways Like I said people may call me using freemakers as a dumb thing to bring but roger and his 0 memory wipes (or at least,,,, well enough done wipes) are canon, even if fucking insane world destroying kyber crystal sabers are not I feel bad for just about every battle droid as a droid enthusiast but the b1s being so unimportant even IN universe that they don't get memory wipes makes me :(

THEN WHY MAKE THEM!! I don't care how many quirks they develop if they are incapable of doing a preprogrammed task that is PROGRAMMED into them, then there is NO point if making them. Your essentially telling us "Magic" when people bring up the massive glaring and pretty bad hole in starwars clone wars logic of the battledroids and their ability to fail at basic things computers 20 years ago could do

@@DeathSithe92 Because they still served a purpose as disposable meat shields and preformed well enough most of the time. The Prequels were made 20~ years ago and we dont exactly have bipedal war robots fighting our battles for us still. Plus there is only so much you can fit into a memory chip and like I mentioned those needed to be maintained (just like IRL) or otherwise they degraded and naturally that'll lead to problems functioning.

They still don't they just have autonomy modules in case the central computer goes offline

@@DeathSithe92 they’re usually capable of doing what they were made to do, but we never see their victories because we only view the battles with main characters who always have plot armor and are usually op. Besides, they’re disposable armies that don’t get tired, don’t need food, and will carry out any order to the best of their ability. How could you say there’s “no point” to making them? Besides the idiocy, they’re what every leader of an army wants! Especially if they don’t their army to revolt, which battledroids are usually incapable of doing! That’s likely why they’re so limited in brainpower

We best be talking about the original battle front 2

R2 low key didn't care imo

​@@tonynasaofficial he's an astromech those guys are more sadistic then anything I've seen from any type of battle droid.

There is a lego series that Roger the droid that the RU-vidr mentioned is in the series helping the family

Roger Roger.