The Story of Don Revie & "Dirty Leeds" 

Wow. 18 whole minutes. That's, like, an entire lifetime dude. Average attention span of the standard RU-vid user is about 18 seconds at most, so this is like reading War and Peace for them. They'll be dead before it finishes.

BigBlack81 nice profile picture

Second time i've watched it.

@@Kelly14UK Just watched it through again myself.

@@BigBlack81 Sidebar shows he's done a wee bit on Clough as well. I'll watch it sooner or later this week, been watching The Damned Utd clips for the past hour : )

This is more interesting than that very poor video

We are the Gladbach of Yorkshire?

I've thought that about Leeds and Gladbach before, too

Monchengladbach weren't thugs loathed by every team in Germany though

Well done Sir/Madam - excellent observation

Leeds were loathsome. Liverpool had v similar history but played with style. Revie was I think a rather mixed up person and reflected in his management. They weren't "hard" they were nasty. See Hunter backing away from Franny Lee who was half his size. Giles punching Keegan from behind. Why? Trying to get the ball. Sickening.

@@stephenreeds3672 Hunter backed off from Lee who was swinging wildly and acting like a maniac, (the Roy Keane of his day) most sensible people would do that. But I can't see how backing off makes someone "nasty". Explain?

@@stephenreeds3672 Leeds never murdered fans now did they?

word bro

Johnny lyle of whu ... Harry Bassett of Wimbledon?

Which is why I find it a bit of tragedy that he's isn't talked about as much as he should today. Assume certain rumours played a part in that

Without Revie, Jack Charlton wouldn't have been in the world cup winning side but sulking and causing trouble in a mid-table 2nd division side.

@@jackmiller-johnston8689 Rumours, my arsenal. When they come from multiple sources, they are not rumours, they're just hushed up facts, because the scandal would likely have caused repercussions even beyond LUFC.

Chelsblue73 what rumours?

@@chelsblue7370 bit like your owner being a jacked up swindler who capitalises on the misfortunes of his nation and our dear old planet at large, small club big money

Jake Waterfall --- It's because he was known to try to pay off other teams, various managers spoke about it in the Match of the 70s series.

Unlike Clough, Revie was a cheat. Just like Leeds United.

Trial by public opinion.

He's known in boro cos he is from teesside

@G G If VAR favours Liverpool so much, then why did they not get clear penalties given against Newcastle and Southampton? Why wasn't Man Utd's goal pulled back for a foul on Origi in the build-up? And why was Firmino's onside goal against Aston Villa adjudged to be offside? The only reason morons like yourself think that VAR favours Liverpool, is that Liverpool have NEVER lost a game in which they have got a questionable VAR decision given against them, at the point of writing. You're just too bitter to give credit where credit's due to Liverpool's world class quality and mentality.

MOT. COME ON LEEDS !!!!

I am like you Ankush. A huge Leeds United. Tell all the Indian fans of Leeds United to keep on supporting the club. I believe that we could do it this year,

Yes I am from Mumbai and a Leeds fan as well

@@ElectricSoulShow I'm coming from the future. You're in the top 10, I think.

LUFC are back...glad you stayed with ‘em ! 👍🏼

his techniques and mentality were noted and espoused by Martin O'Neill , one of the three managers exempted from the UEFA Super Licence (Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the other 2). Revie's scouting and training regime are , somewhat indirectly part of the USL now

pull the other one. Don Revie was a crook.

Chish and Fips funny despite taking £7.5k from the Daily Mirror Gary Sprake was never willing to repeat the allegations under oath at court. London media just never liked a northern industrial city succeeding.

@@RamsFan93 How easy it is to come on a comment section throwing acusations around with no proof. Where you even born when Revie managed Leeds? Show some evidence of what you're saying or just stfu.

@@SantomPh nonsense. This methids were based in cheating and manipulation...utter rubbish to say they form any textbooks guidelines today

Alec James thanks for confirming, I thought my ears were playing tricks on me.

Let this great video down massively.

Alec James I’m glad you confirmed that for me I thought I was hearing things!!

Thinking the same thing. Biggest own goal since Barry Spark threw the ball into his own net.

It just undermines the whole film. I thought it was quite balanced otherwise.

Chelsea a bigger club than leeds

@@keyuantejohnson6266 Fuck me you're everywhere you sad boring repetive dick head.

In your dreams

@@clivebaxter6354 not my dreams mate I do t support them

When Don Revie was made Leeds manager he actually went to Matt Busby for advice. And Bill Shankly admired and respected Leeds United.

@@CB-xr1eg Same with Shanks. He also went to Busby for advice. I actually saw the entire Leeds squad having lunch in The Midland hotel before a match @ Old Trafford mid seventies. No problems between Utd fans and the Leeds team. The problems in those days were just between the 2 sets of fans!

@@KryptonitetoallBS Revie showed Liverpool and their fans respect when Leeds went to Anfield and won the title. After the game Revie got the team to walk to the Kop and applaud them. They did so and it all went quiet for about 30 seconds, then a Liverpool fan got on his mates shoulder and started chanting *CHAMPIONS* to the Leeds team. The whole Kop joined in and it went on for a few minutes. That's massive respect from both sides.

@@CB-xr1eg Yes Clive it is. Sad how things have changed. The first and only Hillsborough chant I ever heard was by Leeds fans in Magaluf as the team had a well earned end of season holiday after promotion to Div 1. I met and drank with Mel Sterland, Strachen, Jones, Kamara, Chapman etc on a nightly basis. Vinny was nutz btw!!

I concur.

Good movie but a lot of it is falsified for dramatic effect. They hardly delve into revies character.

The Damned United is a fiction. Clough, magnificent bastard that he was, deserved the truth of his story to be told.

The film is a take on Clough, not Leeds. The book is, too, really, but it’s style carries a lot of it forward, relying on what it shows went on in Clough’s head, which the author couldn’t possibly have known. Neither are an attempt to portray the reality of what occurred. No attempt is made to show anything from a Leeds perspective in either fiction.

@@shaneclapham1676 yea its more of Clough's story rather than Revies. What a performance from Michael Sheen though

Yes! Very well done Tifo! Your narrating voice is superb!

Something tells me you needs to brush up on the late 60's and early 70's football. Watch football hardmen for 1 and watch glory, glory Leeds United. Back in a time when 6 or 7 clubs could win the league

He led a team of thugs and cheats

Yes , indeed ! Cloughie, The Great Sir Bobby Robson and Bob Paisley=FANTASTIC and don't forget Harry Catterick at Everton and Harry Potts winning the Title for Burnley.....!!!

Joe Box sir Bobby Robson

Aye, but the greatest are Scottish.

Busby/Shankly/Ferguson were all amazing....

@@Isleofskye You can't count Clough. On his own he was average, he won next to nowt without his mate Taylor. Check the facts before you reply and disagree with me.

Kevin Keegan said it was sad that Revie had not been accorded the respect he deserved and according to Alan ball, M Allison and several other players/coaches, they were the best team Britain has ever produced, one said that they were the first professional club, ie, everything was planned and practised to achieve the maximum efficiency. Yes, they were hard and would 'try it on' when the ref was not looking, but other teams were hard and on the fringe of what Leeds did. Shankly, a great rival, never criticised them for being dirty and said their games against each other were the great games of football. Both of the managers and teams had the greatest respect for one another.

@@dinerouk Well said Peter

Don revie a legend at man city

They were basically informed by the shocking methods of Italy and Spain etc. That's unfortunately why Dundee, Liverpool (Shankly v Inter) and Derby suffered in 60s and 70s outings because they all basically played by the rules - and Forest got a lucky break quite frankly when UEFA finally woke up to the likes of Juvē and other S. European teams. I think the rancour comes from the fact the League and FA turned a blind eye to their behaviour because they were seen as England's best bet in Europe early on.

The ball. Hate it & it changed football. It has all the dynamics of a indoor smaller ball. It has made the game quicker & thus tackles are much less. Till the end of the millennium and from about 1966 it was unchanged, yes the pre war & fifties the ball was a lumpen thing & as said it was changed & perfect for all these decades. Mighty Whites keep fighting.

@@wildbill6826 Yep, the ball was a crucial change. Once it became impermeable, and therefore much lighter in practice, it made the game play more and more like a court sport. Add the stealth synthetic surfaces, slippers for boots and protection of the ball carrier, and the competitive game now looks like astropark training. Or a weird, trivial basketball/handball with a touch of ice hockey style game.

Dirtyest team evet

As the famous George Best quote goes ‘every team had a hard man, leeds had 11 of them’

1970 was better😉

Yep they certainly liked to leave a mark!

I still have a strong opinion about Genghis Khan , Stalin , Chairman Mao and Attila The Hun and The Vikings so , like Alexander , they , also , must be " grea t" Apparently Hitler was a tad unpleasant , as well....

Isleofskye I think he is talking about leavin a good mark lol, not a bad one

Fair point , my friend though I think 1 or 2 of those I mentioned were just misunderstoood :)

Only since the film you Muppet ..come on utd

Don Revie: you get nowt for being second vs Brian Clough: I do believe in fairies

And we know who the better and more universally manager was. I don't remember there being a minute of silence throughout the football pyramid after revie died....

debatable.

Just proving the plastic nature of the fan base that follows the Sky 6

@@michealflaithbheartaigh4139 actually, it was a coverage issue. I am British but I lived in Madagascar at the time and they just didn't show Leeds enough, no premier league packages then I read more about them more than i actually watched. So no, I'm not a band wagoner

Oh, I'd doubt it! 'Player power' isn't just a lazy soundbite, unfortunately.

When they try like Mourinho did at Manchester United, they get run out of town.

@@wvu05 Mourinho just wants the team to get their arses working and act like winners. Revie turned most of the Leeds starting 11 into a group of thugs so aggressive that it made Liverpool look like angels. Compared to Revie, Mourinho was soft.

@@oranges866 I think you misunderstood my point. I was not talking about tactics, I was talking about discipline. The Special One needs that in order to get special results. There's a video where he talks about his career, and he said that there were games where he knew that his teams would not concede a goal if a game was 900 minutes. However, dealing with poison like Pogba meant that his system couldn't work the way he wanted it to, and the board sided with Pogba.

@@wvu05 i understood clearly that it's about discipline. i just said that Mourinho is soft compared to Revie's Leeds, a bunch of criminals.

“how the southern bums loved to hate us” Pipe down son, there’s 2 Lancashire clubs that’ve won 39 top flight league titles between them, let alone the other clubs, how many do you and the rest of Yorkshire have?

@@siamesevodka best manager who leeds Eva had was clough and he was there for 44 days lol 😆 🤣 😂

It wasn't only Southerners who loathed you. The whole country did. And for all the hype, you weren't that successful.

Not good enough to beat Celtic in the 1971 European Cup final, Celtic won both matches.

Exactly right. One reason they didn't win so much was they refused to buy a decent goalie. But the '73-74 team did play glorious football. And they gave Barcelona - Cruyff and all - a real tanning at Elland Rd in the 75 European Cup semi final. The point about the competitive League was true, too. Leeds, Liverpool, Everton, both Manchester sides, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham from 64-66, - don't forget Leicester, Burnley and Newcastle, who were happy to piss on anyone's birthday cake at any given time, Arsenal and Derby for a season or two at the end.

In a way Revie was slightly fortunate in the fact the vast majority of his team was at the club for virtually the whole of the glory years. The only other time thats happened in England in the 50 years ive been watching football was Fergusons kids at united 30 years later. who were together for 10 years but there is no doubt chasing so many competitions also cost the club combined with bad luck. the 67 cup semi final, WBA loss in 71, 2 european finals were both reffed by bent officials, the title decider in 72. they probably should have won 10 or 11 trophies

@@dlamiss You're correct about the same Leeds team playing together for a decade. It certainly showed when they mostly got old together and Leeds went into sharp decline after 1975. A lesson learnt by Liverpool, who adopted a policy of buying 1 or 2 young players every year even if they had just had a successful season. There are reasons though for the players staying at Leeds. The maximum wage had only been abolished in the early 1960s and there was little differentiation in pay between clubs. This had changed by 1980 when the successful Ipswich team was plundered. It was also down to Revie however, who cultivated a NOLU culture within the club that kept the players there. The players also learnt on international duty that Revie's methods were far advanced from what was happening at other clubs.

@@cbarclay99 The ironic thing about the decline was there were still pretty decent players there.Mcqueen, Jordan, Hankin, Currie, Hurd, Mckenzie, Gray E and F, Hawley,. OK they werent as good as the likes of Bremner and Giles but the club should certainly have remained a top 6/7 side for years to come

@@dlamiss From memory, Leeds didn't seem to integrate the flair players they bought, especially Currie. I presume down to poor or mediocre management. The sale of McQueen and Jordan to United also showed that differentials in wages were beginning to appear.

He's not under appreciated. He is largely ignored by the media because of the bribery allegations he never addressed.

Nah grade a tosspot.. & bent as a butchers hook

M. O. T. LUFC

The dirty play and cheating and harassment by Jack Charlton , Norman ( RIP ) Cooper , Giles , Bremner and Clarkey , in particular , was under Revie. Just seen " The Damned United" and what those thugs DELIBERATELY did to Derby just b4 Derby's European Cup Semi-Final in Juventus when they DELIBERATELY put half the team out injured was disgusting...

@@Isleofskye the damned united is very exagerated

Very True. What I thought was ridiculous was the height of the Actor playing Johnny Giles..lol

spectacular

best comment

Jojo and Football what a truly Bizarre combo

@@Sirous_ Jojo my ballsack, that is not where it comes from

One of the most famous clubs in the world. Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in England. Fact.

I think he needed a Peter Taylor working with him ;someone who would have tempered his superstitions and ultra defensive mode (often applied for no reason or gain) and found a few more players that would have seen them win a lot more-the 1969-70 season of ultimate failure was probably down to just 15 or 16 players being used for an entire league and Cups campaign; they were shagged out!

Yeah, I always knew him as “Revvy” too, as a lifelong Leeds supporter and all my family from Leeds.

@@LeoDragon34 All normal people pronounce it " Revvy".

Musab Ali very original.....

@@Samwerly Originally on The Atheltic

God I hate the athletic videos

I forgot about Sprake. He was a complete liability at times, would make a great save one minute, then let the ball slip through his hands the next. Harvey was a truly great goalkeeper.

@@ghostdancer444 Thw word "great" gets used for anyone who played twice for Scunthorpe reserves these days. Harvey was a good keeper and pretty safe but "great", a million miles away.

Here you go: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YhYRrJOY8GA.html

Leeds won on the pitch but they were outplayed by the FA and sundry referees. Roy D

Big Jack said it best in one season " We were runners up in the FA CUP lost the league on goal difference to Liverpool knocked out in the semi finals of the fair's cup some players would give their whole career's for a season like that the town was buzzing and we won nothing that year but we were involved in every major trophy right to the last " so true I was a lad then and going down to Elland road to see the Revie aces was magical thanks Don

They were robbed of two European trophies tbf

@@stealthiscool Agree with that.The 73 Cup Winners final was decided by a bent ref & the 75 final saw a blatant penalty denied (even Beckenbaur admits this) & an incomprehensible decision to disallow Lorimer's goal.

Probably should've had 2 more championships and completely robbed of a European Cup and Cup Winners' Cup.

To be fair, the 1970 FA Cup final was pretty brutal, there were hard tackles on both sides. Still my favourite football match of all time.

@@kadasrichard I was just pointing out how biased The Damned film was. That editing of Osgood's tackle was deliberately cut to make Charlton look awful. Terrible

@@martynhanson Yeah it was pretty biased,painted Leeds in the worst possible light

The presentation is about LEEDS maybe this presentation is not for you. Go looking for the incident your referring to under the banner of Chelsea.

@@midnightwithoutyou61 My point is about the power of editing to present a false representation of events. In fact, my point of the power of editing can be applied to all fields outside of sport too.

Clough’s success was after his rivalry with Revie unless you go by the fiction within the movie dammed United. Which is obviously where you have based your opinion from. Revie was successful 60s and 70s. Clough was at derby during that period and were nowhere near of the level of leeds. Clough was far more successful at Nottingham Forest and was there from 75 onwards and ending up relegating them in 93.

@@danielgraham5907 dcfc football league champions 1971/72

Ian Shaw yes not forgetting that but just making the point that their consistent successes in their careers were at different times so there was no overshadowing.

@@danielgraham5907 my opinion wasn't based on the damned united on account of the fact I haven't seen it. You're correct, although there is an overlap, their success was at different times. Revie may not have been overshadowed at the time, but now looking back: history kind of forgets Revie unless you're a Leeds fan. I'm just suggesting the reason for that is Clough. Rather than a manager in his own right, he kind of ended up remembered as a footnote to Clough

Peter Taylor was a big factor in Clough's achievements.

together wih the worldclass choice of words and vocabulary

It's a wild fiction that plays fast and loose with the few facts it cares to present.

The book is better

Considerably so, I am told.

@Irham Hilmy Yes it's from Clough's point of view. It's a historical fiction. So it's what the author imagines went on behind the scenes.

There's so many factual errors - it shows them playing Everton as part of their Division 2 promotion montage. I'm sorry, but Everton simply don't do Division 2. The whole story about him being offered the Leeds job while on the beach in Spain and reneging on his deal to manage Brighton is rubbish - he had been at Brighton all season and they were 19th in the Second division at the time. The game where he played the full strength team against Leeds was the quarter final, not the semi. He played Arsenal before the semi, won 2-0, had no players injured and lost because of, as he put it "a cheating eye-talian bastard" of a referee (and he had two players suspended). He knew full well Don Revie was going to be Yorkshire TV show. That's why he did it. He never went to the FA to plead for Billy Bremner. A club director and, of all people, Kevin Keegan did. Bremner was also deeply ashamed and emotionally very upset (at the point of tears said Keegan) after the dismissal, not snotty and recalcitrant as shown. Dave Mackay and Duncan Mckenize both get terrible service from the film - McKenzie, who is one of the most erudite and witty men in the game, not the simpleton he is made out to be and Mackay who is painted as the villain for events that happened two years after he left the club. He was right to sue and right to win. At one point Leeds are introduced as the champions of England - if the date in the film is to be believed, Manchester United were, in fact, champions at the time. The FA Cup tie where Revie allegedly snubbed Clough was actually played in Leeds, not Derby. Colin Todd is playing for Derby in the movie two years before he actually signed for them (Colin Todd, by the way, was a superb footballer. He should have been Bobby Moore's naturals successor) There's also (and this isn't hard fact), the feeling it's that the Brian Clough from post 1984 (when his powers did start to wane and the drink started to blur his judgement) that they have taken back and thrown into the film/book and not the magnificent, cocky, instinctive and brilliant manager he was in his pomp. Leeds made him a better manager because it sent him to Forest (where he replaced Dave Mackay) with a point to prove. And he did emphatically prove it. He surpassed Revie in every way (not that Revie wasn't a good man and a great manager in his own right) and proved himself the greatest English manager since 1970, if not ever. The internet kids won't know this - they can't - the narrative doesn't allow for us to talk about dead people or people who even existed before 1992. But we old timers, know. We had Cloughie and Revie and Shankly and the internet kids don't. And we are so much the richer for that experience.

Queen Sparke, Gary's mam

It's easy - they stuck to their amateur roots as the world around them changed into a professional enterprise

I mean, Fergie? Best *English* manager to never take the England job, maybe, but not the best full stop to not take it

Clough No doubt

There are many better managers all over the world and throughout history that was or is better. But among English managers, perhaps. You must also remember that being a national team manager is quite different from being a club manager, Revie is an example of that. From my own country Norway, Drillo is another. He took a thoroughly mediocre footballing nation into the very top of football, at one point being ranked as number 2 (in -92), and was amongst the top his entire tenure. He understood statistics and their importance in football better than anyone else at the time, and was one of the first to truly understand the power of zone defence and pressing (as well as tactical oddities like a wide target man,a playmaking fullback and number 8s that could run 120 minutes, but not play football). But he was not a people person, and never had anywhere close to the same success at a club. He knew tactics and numbers, and instructed already professional players to implement his tactics withotu any fuss, and he demolished teams with much better players than he had availble to him. And that's what you need from a national team manager, a tactical genious that can bring forth the very best of what is availble, not someone that is good at building a club and a culture and inspires loyalty and cohesiveness in the long run.

He wouldn't have been able to play John McGovern with England so he would have been lost...a facetious comment yes, but he was never one for 'star' players so its hard to know how he might have done with England.

By a mile yes

James Cusack --- That's just was Leeds fans like to think, that they are hard done by...

From what I’ve learned and seen, Leeds have fully earned their negative reputation. The media don’t need to do anything, the fans and the club does it all perfectly fine by itself.

they were a good team but my god were they dirty bastards on the pitch im all for good old fashioned physical english footbal but what they did was closer to GBH than football

They hate us because they ain’t us

I'm going to assume, sir, that you actually saw Leeds play and have some examples in mind that back up your case. But then, what about the Liverpool team, who were always built on a spine of thugs, or Chelsea who had anyone of half a dozen leg breakers at their disposal. Arsenal and Newcastle, too. Birmingham, Stoke, WBA - all bruisers. Even cultured Burnley would give you a shoeing. And good help you if you came across one of the "little" clubs who wandered up into Div 1 back then - Luton, Carlisle et al. They were all dirty bastards back then. Or, more likely, today we have grown up watching soft bastards fatuously prancing about the pitch for mega-dollars and we've become soft bastards ourselves.