The Story of Horde intro into Zandalar - Battle for Azeroth [Lore] 

more damage? what about the park? lol remember that area

Well, first of all he went for actually doing as much damage as possible by putting on random wood houses on fire the middle of the night. Deathwing just passed by essentially. Second he is still a very powerful character magic wise so he might be able to increase the power of that random torch.

An unimpressed Rooster -- I think the fact that they mentioned how Deathwing just passed over Stormwind is acknowledging that he COULD have done more damage if he was actually _trying_ to do real damage like Zul was. Basically the difference between quickly jumping through a fire and having scalding water thrown on you. Since you're not just standing in the fire, it ends up doing less damage than being doused in scalding water.

Thats a Low

Was wondering if someone else noticed :D Indeed a great voice acting.

Great ears, seni!

Indeed, in legion Rokhan has been voiced by Steve Blum, but he is not at all seen in the list of voice actors in BfA(on wow wiki i think?). Instead, i see there Abubakar Salim, the voice actor of Bayek. Also love his voice, fits Rokhan like a glove.

Don't remember the goblins name but in Nazmir theres a quest goblin voiced by the actor who played Billy in Billy and Mandy it was just hilarious. Obvious fromt eh first word muttered!

Rokhan is my favorite character and I'm actually very upset he got a new va

Thatshow ED I would but the lack of free time and extra income has me chained to reality

i hope he joins the lichking :D

Sven N. I don't think it's likely he's trying to join forces with anyone especially the undead since he's on record for hating the undead because they steal Souls from him but I do believe he isn't above using the undead to kill many more people so he can have more souls

bwonsamdi dislike the undeath so i don't think he will join the lich king

Baithoven and friends to keep the smell in

Probably the same reason Illidan has his blades in prison.

You think the guards are going to try to remove them?? Lol! Thats a death sentence

You mean his shoulder fork?

Baithoven and friends Would you wanna be the one to strip the big, legendary orc man?

Zabwow so does Lady Ashvane aswell apparently but I haven't seen her doing wq's so it must be low level

Ha!

Zul the Arsonist.

Zul is secretly Heatwave from Legends Of Tomorrow.

deirakos H needs to also learn the difference between loyalty with the warchief and loyalty with the horde. If he valued the latter so much, then just go back and challenge the warchief. it's ridiculous really. Not even Baine actually go against sylvanas

Khalduras The warchief is meant to represent the Horde. By betraying the warchief you betray the Horde, even if the warchief themselves is shying away from the true Horde. And if Saurfang were to begin a civil war, it would simply leave the Horde vulnerable now that Sylvanas has started a war with the Alliance (which would surely use the opportunity to crush the Horde once and for all). There is no easy way out. It's not as simple as going and overthrowing the warchief.

The problem with characters like Varok and Garrosh is that they hate change and refuse to let themselves or other's change. Sylvanas is pretty much the exact opposite of this and it frustrates them that the Horde they would prefer can no longer be an option in these times. Granted, Sylvanas can be considered representing too much change and that would explain the discomfort the Horde have with her methods. Still she is a necessity, and always has been in terms of the Horde's otherwise severe limitations as a colony because of their honorable ways.

Definately Krell That's a weird pov considering that Warchief boogaloo has been a thing since warcraft 1. Ogrim Rebelled against Blackhand and Gul'dan after he found out about their honorless tactics and their schemes. Vol'jin, Baine, Lorthemar and the rest like saurfang all rebelled against Garrosh. It doesnt matter if the warchief is supposed to be representing the horde. The entire rule of being able to challenge the leader is there for a reason. Face it dude. The only reason Saurfang didnt rebel was because if blizzard went that route, then the faction war wouldve ended alot quicker. Dude. This is Anduin we're talking about when it comes to the Alliance. The guy has a hard-on for peace and the rest of the alliance leaders rally behind him regardless of his age, his innexperience, his innability to lead in war, despite the other better qualified leaders with tens of thousands years of experience and they literally wait for him to give the order before doing anything (Example being in elegy where tyrande literally waited for Anduin to give his consent before Tyrande return to tel'drassil to join the war). The only *One* time that the alliance leaders has ever shown to go against anduin is Stormheim which is never mentioned ever again and was handwaved away in the latest novel. Now Genn also "Shush" as soon as Anduin commands him to shut up in the throne room of lordaeron. Saurfsng rebelling now and rallying the rest would only end the war quicker difference being that the alliance by Anduin's orders would have fought beside them.

〈The Nickname〉 Sylvanas is everything that is wrong with the horde right now. She is literally trying to commit genocide. Burn ancients and piss off ancestors. Everything of what formed the new horde by Thrall and Cairne is gone now with sylvanas. Not to mention her ridiculous personal goal of turning everyone undead so that everyone can no longer suffer and that "Life is pain". Saurfang at the moment is also stupid but dont make it sound as if Sylvanas is in any way logical. Everything that has happened in this new has been all because of *Her* decisions. One chapter Sylvanas talkig about how anduin would become this and that due to greymane the next chapter proves her wrong by having greymane do the exact opposite thus making her look like a paranoid bitch

linkzellda Not blindly. Sylvanas did everything logically and it shows. People like you don't understand why she is Warchief but I see clearly. She is a true Warchief who will put the Horde first.

She committed genocide because a dying woman gave her sass.

She committed genocide because her plan to kill one person to prevent this was failed. One life was spared by the alliance to ensure that thousands more would die. The destruction of Teldrassil wasn't out of hate, it was a hasty backup plan to still cripple the Alliance.

Max the nickname is right. Read A Good War. Sylvanas burned Teldrassil because Saurfang spared Malfurion. Even Saurfang admits Sylvanas is right. That's why he is still by her side until the Battle of Lorderon.

Difference is Nathanos is a dog that gets some tail 😉

Aye!

Back View he was always shady

Hey, he has a family legacy to uphold, all he has to do is successfully not go out like a bitch. Bonus points if he goes out like a champion.

Since Blizzard avoided giving him his warriors death against the alliance, you can only imagine (and hope) what they plan to do with him. He was and is a badass already... give him a death like his brother had... would be awesome as hell

Saurfang will cleave the universe in half.

Definately Krell - if he succeeds in that can we finally stop with the whole alliance vs horde bullshit that keep repeating?

Nyghtking Saurfang can cleave that issue in half too.

Also - The people who are advisors to the people we're trying to befriend (Ashvane, literally every Zandalari council troll) are corrupt and evil. What if that's a reflection of ourselves, and we're being advised by a corrupt advisor? Magni sure looks mighty shady now.

Despite being very reflective.

This xpac start needs so much explanations and weld to fill those plot holes...

Zul did nothing wrong

I mean, I don't think the story is bad. Actually I think it's pretty impressive so far... But I'm an Alliance player. I imagine how hard it is for Horde players trying to convince themselves that they are doing these stuff "for the Horde".

In vanilla weren't they the faction working with us to stop Hakkar when ZG was 1st released?

I'm not sure, but in Cata, Zul was the one who brought amani and gurubashi trolls together and in the end there was Hakkar.

Because starting a fire in a medieval city is known for avoiding civilian causalities.

Definately Krell soooo, you mean the horde Saurfang will be warchief? Because there will be no loktar Ogar when Sylvanas warchief, it Loktar or retreat now

Ilija Kovachevich I never claimed to support Sylvanas. She is not the warchief the Horde needed. She started a war that could've been easily avoided and doomed countless innocent lives. I will follow Saurfang and Bloodhoof untill I die. For honor, for the Horde!

well nobbel is not, he used the easy death as soon he could lol

Definately Krell sorry, I misunderstood. Have a good day my western friend!

too bad they arent avaible yet. not even in the creation screen

Sigh.

Watch wich one escaped the mayor capital of the opposite faction because shitty writting and then tell us about plot armour, edgy boi

It's a stupid questline either way. But the way she reacts to Jaina's presence is baffling. I like Jaina but she is presented on the same power level as Aegwynn.

Considering that some of Aegwynn power was past to Medivh and that she lived in Theramore for some time it wouldn't surprise me. Remember that Jaina is a incredible gifted mage, being an apprentice of Antonidas at a very young age and considered strong enough to be the head of the Kirin Tor

I know she is powerful. But Thalyssra is a 10 000 year old mage...

So the older you are the more poerfull you are? doesn't add up. The High Elves have been magic users for thousand of years and in a few years of teachings, the humans were at their level, some even exceed them

On the bright side, he isn't dead. Just imprisoned :)

Wifi is free here so... not all bad.

I want another alternate Gul'dan , or resurect the OG one

like Jainas Flying Dutchman? or Alerias Portal? or Jainas Portal? .... in hindsight that had been very usefull at the broken shore but she had a very good reason not to be there

Those aren't plot armor, hell, everybody is afraid of Jaina because she is so powerfull she can have a magic flying dutchman and make portals (althought any mage can do that and nothing was preventing her from casting). And Aleria controls the void, how is making portals plot armor ? No, plot armor is the fact that Blizzard forgets they made Jaina so op and that a little torch can burn down the whole of Stormwind, we only see him put one tree and one banner aflame and suddenly poof, Stormwind burns. Also, Stormwind doesn't have any other mages to help out with the fire ? And Stormwind s mostly made of stone so... yeah.

@ Zeejir Jaina was at the first assault at the broken shore she just fucked off so Varian could be killed.

Show me the McGuffins (nice epretion) and I might believe you, I will agree to the fact that Anduin showed pour leader ship and strategic skills but he was well surrounded. Jaina is an all powerfull mage so it stands to reason that she could summon up a little wind to sweep away the plague (which is just gas after all), it also stands to reason she could make a shield from said plague and tp away (any mage can do that). I don't believe that there is plot armor in the siedge of Lordaeron, rather a shit ton of luck (the Light saves all) and Jaina being broken as F**k and having a cool ass ship.