@@J.A_Music No the pilot definitely knew about the software that tips the front part , because on normal other days the plane automatically tips down its front to maintain the altitude so pilot must have known that the software tips down the front part to maintain, but that day the software didn't stop , it kept tipping the front until the plane crashed
They knew the software exist but didnt know how to turn off, the same plane from previous flight had the similar problem but the pilot at that time turn off the system quickly before they dive into ground
@Mohta_mischief This was back then when 737 MAX just entered service and after that incident many countries ban the MAX from their airspace until Boeing reconfigure the system, the recent buzz about Boeing is a different story about their newer planes fuselage didn't meet the safety standard or smth, its started when one of their plane has their door being ripped out mid flight and their former worker / whistleblower who raised concern about the issue beforehand found dead by 'suicide'
I remember this story. For the longest, Boeing tried to blame the crash on pilot error. The pilot kept trying to turn the system off that was causing the issue, but it wouldn’t disengage. Those poor pilots knew exactly what was happening, and were completely powerless, and a ton of innocent, clueless people were taken too early, and their memory was completely disrespected by a company trying to avoid accountability.
The pilots didn’t know it existed so they couldn’t deactivate it. You explained it pretty well, but I just wanna fill in that when the nose points too high, the risk for an aerodynamic stall increases a ton. So Boeing made the mcas system to reduce the risk of a stall but it wasn’t even properly programmed.
It was programmed properly, the 2 accidents were caused due to broken AOA(Angle of attack) sensors at the nose. Which prompted Boeing to add 2 instead of 1 at the nose further securing the plane.
The system did not allow the crew to override it. The system forced the plane into the sea. In other crashes, an angle of attack sensor outside the aircraft malfunctioned and again the flight crew was not able to physically pull the stick back to correct the attitude. Stupid management and engineering.
There was actually a switch the pilots could have switched to override MCAS that Boeing never said anything about. A singular sensor was used to measure the pitch and the speed, but that likely got damaged by a BALOON. Shame on Boeing.
May everyone on board of this plane rest in peace. This accident is also very similar to the 2019 Ethiopian Airlines 737 max crash which involved in this as well.
Pilots that Flight this aircraft find out and decided to turn off the MCAS system and this is something about wings but at the back and they Done this by hands and didnt worked and crashed
@@LeonSaberYT Ever hear don't judge a book by its cover? Boeing kept this new software a "secret" so they won't have to spend money for new training for pilots.
@@_Mintyz_ of course not. Training takes time on the clock and time is money. Wouldn’t want to spend a few hundred to prevent a few customers losing their lives would we?
@@Marynicole830 you realize that Boeing never expect mcas too do this so training in their defense is not that necessary. Yes it quickly became their fault after the second accident happened
@@_Mintyz_ They had MCAS turn on based ONLY on the Angle of attack, which came from ONE sensor, you never base something that powerful on one sensor, also the switch to turn off MCAS was installed from the start, but pilots had to realize what was happening, find the book, find where it talks about MCAS, and turn off MCAS in 30 seconds or you are doomed
@@ZyghqwyvThe pilots decided to turn MCAS back on after they turned it off. It is just mind boggling to me that these pilots would make such a decision.
My auntie actually almost got in this exact flight but thank the good lorde she missed it, i remember the moment so vividly we were all so shocked when it happened.
@sirslugs Lion Air planes come from Indonesia, and the majority of Indonesians are Muslim, and the JT 610 pilot said "Allahu Akbar" at the end of his life because he was Muslim.
When my sister's 8 hour flight from Singapore to Philippines were only 45 minutes away, the plane made a U-turn back to Singapore just to ensure safety due to the weather conditions
As an Indonesian, this news spread like wild fire. I heard about it and soon kept seeing videos of the Lion Air Airline, and some pilots have to say that the problem was not the pilots skills or the Lion Air, but just a malfunction on the plane. Lots of people stopped to go on a Lion air Airplane again because they were scared. But soon it went back to normal because they were finally confinced it was just a software malfunction.
For more context, Boeing knew how powerful the software was, but wanted the MAX to be released sooner, so they lied about it so pilot's wouldn't need extra training. It was tied to a single angle-of-attack indicator that is hardly safe from debris impacts, ice damage, and glitches, and when the AoA went haywire, the automation went haywire.
Boeing went from the Titans of Air Transport and Military Industries, to an Untrustworthy Company who assassinated a Whistleblower. Worst of all, The US Government or even the US military will never crackdown on such a company. Gotta love corruption.
@@dtheall86Are you high? BOEING did NOT even disclose the software to airlines. It was only brought up after the accident. How would pilots and airlines know about this software when it was not disclosed in the first place.
As a indonesian, I remember this being on the news for a few weeks. The scary part is that when it crashed, the airplane and the passengers vanished, and it took 2 or more weeks just to find the black box. Probably the reason why I don't travel over seas.
Airplanes are the safest transport than any type of transportation you have higher chance of dying from car or motorcycles accident than in an airplanes but that didnt apply if you fly with lion air 😅😅😅
Sadly avoiding flying is extremely difficult for Indonesian, because it consists of tens of thousands of islands. I'm Indonesian too, and I travel via plane almost every month for work so like it or not, I have to fly to keep my job. I recommend watching videos from *Mentour Pilot* on RU-vid. Watching in depth videos that explains why plane accidents happened and how things are prevented actually helps me. Like the other commenter said, flying is actually a lot saver than driving.
@@bluescorpion7 I didn't fly yet. I'm flying in like a year 😭 but I am so excited to finally visit another country that I already started learning about flights
@@milyenderman7104To make you feel better, you’re WAY more likely to die in a car accident compared to a plane accident. I myself flew probably over 50+ times so far.
I just watched a documentary on the 737 MAX 8 and 9. They installed the software Zach talked about called MCAS. They didn't tell the pilots anything about this and they didn't know this was installed. Which led to this crash, And the I think Emirates 320 flight crashed for the same reason. The device was on the side and would break from birds, balloons, etc. And the scariest part is that the bodies were never found. They grounded the plane and it came back in 2020 and no crashes have been reported since the rerelease.
May their souls rest in peace. More power to their loved ones. May they heal and stay strong. I can't imagine the pain of not being even able to give them a proper ceremony or say a proper goodbye.
Saying "yah we get it" is not respectful at all. Not even a bit. People died in such a tragic way and thats your words to them. Be more respectful. By the way, I am Indonesian.
I remember this incident. I am Indonesian an at that time I was having a holiday. I heard the news from my parents. At that time I was just fine, until I heard that an older student from the same school as I am was on that plane. When we came back to school we all prayed for him. He was going back home after a holiday too, with his dad and brother. His mom stayed home so she would be the one receiving the terrible news. 😔
This is the scariest thing ever happened to Indonesia because you can hear the sound of plane crashing to the sea. And some people can see when the event occuring.🥀 Rest In Peace
I am from the country where this plane accident happened ( Indonesia ) and as a plane lover myself and who wants to fly a plane one day, like no joke the entire world was like targeting our country. I mean they had good reasons for it: Most Airlines from Indonesia Air Banned in the EU, The airline, Lion Air , didn’t have a good safety record and the airline also payed investigators to not go against them. But, the fricken Boeing company didn’t want to make them at fault for the incident so, they just said it was a manual error and that the pilots didn’t react how they were supposed to act.
I'm an Indonesian, just fyi, the plane wasn't took off from Jakarta but from Soekarno-Hatta International Airport which is located at Tangerang that exactly next to Jakarta. But still, Respect to the pilot that has tries their best, and RIP for all the passenger😞
@@Joker-em6oz he said the nose kept dipping during the ascent. At that point you should immediately try and land, even if it's not back on the run way. I'd much rather land in trees than the ocean where they all died
@@saki...7443 The pilots didn't know how to turn off MCAS + how tf do you land without crashing when your nose is 45 degrees pitched down , -2000 fpm and cant recover
The malfunction was due to one of the two A.O.A sensors (Angle of Attack Sensor) that were installed (one of them was replaced early, but wasn't calibrated) so the software (MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System)) thinked that the AOA was 25° degrees more up that it really was so it moved the stabilizer at the end of the plane (Boeing just used only one of the two sensors, in this case it was the non-calibrated sensor), also, that non-calibrated sensor failed in another plane with a 60° degrees difference between the two sensors
It happened more than once from the 737-Max. Multiple crashes and thousands of deaths. They grounded the planes for ages and there software has been fixed and are safely flying in the air now.
And now Air India has ordered around 800 boeing planes . I wonder Tata took decision to order it because he got it for cheap price as these models are rejected models.
@@MeowMelodyy Bro, boeing is the most safe and reliable plane company, they have been the best planes since ww2. You cant say the whole company is bad for just a mistaken model.
I actually remembered when I watched a documentary on this problem it was because Boeing wanted to get more customers than Airbus so they just cutted the engine of the previous Boeing 727 in half and did some fixing to show us that they were capable of making a new plane faster than any. But removing the ends of the engines was the problem that led to raising or lowering the tip of the plane more than usual. They thought they would overcome the problem by sensors but luck wasn't with these guys because their sensors were malfunctioned.
Pilots were only trained how to use the system on a iPad with simple yes or no questions. Long story short : Boeing was losing their market to airbus a320. They took shortcuts and modified how the jet engine was positioned causing the plane to take off at a different angle. Instead of reengineering due to time crunch, they used a simple software to adjust that but pilots were completely under trained..
The 737 is not the problem, the 737 MAX is the problem, putting bigger engines on the 737 is stupid, the ground clearance isn't there unlike the A320neo.
Boeing CEO made $38.5 million in salary last year! 😮 Imagine that. While they’re planes crash by the dozen every year. That’s all I needed to know about that company!
For more context: this was when a new CEO came and ruined boeing by making it only money focused. Airlines buying from Boeing at that time claimed to have found strange objects in planes as far as findong ladders inside. This is because like I said earlier, they were super money based and wouldn't take out the ladder. EDIT: Being money-focused, it was much more affordable for them to add software than make a redesign. Also, the CEO knew fully that an accident like this were to happen.
I had a friend on that flight RIP my good friend i will never forget you 😭 Edit: if you think im lying than leave me alone how would you feel if a person you loved died and you got called a liar HUH
I remember this one. They broadcasted the rescue, well, nobody survived obviously. But during the live, they happened to spot something that looked like a bloated body. Bruh... That was fucking traumatizing and sad
@@OfficialDoggyYTHow stupid can you be Doggie doggie Doggie ??? 3 Boeing 737 Max 8 in just 4 months in Indonesia, Ethopia and Alaska all had a crush and killer all he passangers because of that new and failed Boeing 737 Max 8 system'. Got it ???
It was a Boeing 737 max 8 because the engines are above the wings that causes for the plane to go vertical so Boeing installed this thing in the stabilizer to make it go down the pilots on this flight did not know how to cut it off
The problem with all the 737 max’s or the 737-8200 ( same plane ) is that the software after takeoff kept on telling the pilots that the plane was crashing so they needed to crash, the pilots knew they weren’t crashing so they ignored it, so the software would crash the plane for them. The plane got grounded for 2 years. They are safe now. The awful thing is that the pilots didn’t know about the software.
@Parcywarchoverclock hes spreading misinformation theres no 737-8200, if he meant the 737-800, that isnt the same as the 737 max series + "telling the pilots that the plane was crashing so they needed to crash"???? he makes no sense
You should add that Boeing already fixed the issue after the aircraft was grounded for years. MCAS wasn’t the wrong part it was more that Boeing didn’t inform the crews well enough about it and they should have get trained for it .
The reason MCAS existed was due to the new engines that were larger and higher above the wing than the old engines that caused a different center of gravity that made the aircraft have a nose up feel and MCAS was to make that feel like it never existed and lion air flight 610 and Ethiopian flight 302 were caused by a angle of attack sensor that froze if I'm correct I forget since it's been years
I once watched in YT that Boeing planes used to have issues with opposite maneuvers that if you pulled up, the more it would go down and vice versa. If tried left , it would turn to the right.
I know you arent going to respond but boeing is literally as safe as airbus when it comes to age, boeing is 100 years old while airbus is like 50 years old and didnt have a max production of planes, obviously airbus will have a better safety record
@@Londres104 I am with avation from a long time now an I have observed that it's Boeing planes that often get crashed! Anyways, don't take it so seriously. Today, aviation has gotten far safe than before!
@@sanchogodinho please read my comment, I states that boeing is OLDER than airbus and has mass produced more aircraft, more aircraft = more crashes. Boeing is as safe as airbus
maybe they're lucky or its just (panjang umur)...i mean, anything could happen, its not the fact that its a 100% chance of someone get completely obliterated by a fast drop that is 363 knots fast
@@Skibidicomalpha45 even way more safer than a car.. so there's a higher chance for you to die while going to the airport by a car than in the plane itself lol
Poor pilots, They didnt even know about the MCAS system AKA (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System), it wasnt just software, it was a powerful jackscrew at the back of the plane that was controlled by a ONE SINGLE PROBE! The probe on front of the plane so if it broke for example a bird and EVEN A FUCKING BALLOON, the whole MCAS System would fail and be fatal. Note: aircraft systems should NEVER EVER have one single system / probe, because of what i said and the probe controlled the jackscrew. Edit: boeing also said nothing abt the system thats why they didnt know and boeing blamed the pilots of their stupidity which isn’t true. Edit 2: they also had only 5-10 seconds to react or else the jackscrew couldn’t be stopped😢
Apparently they decided to call it an update while it’s actually a new, i don’t know why they would do that, possibly to bypass some control steps and reduce the time needed to get to the market. Sad for the victims including the Ethiopian ones.
The system was designed to only usd one angle censor but the plane had 1 in each wing so 2 One of them had a ~20° discalibration and it just happen to be the one the system was using so it kept going down and down even if the pilots tried to put the plane back to the starting position
TLDR: Airbus made a better plane with a larger engine (A320 -> A320neo) and Boeing had to do the same to keep up, but their mini planes, the 737 were too low to the ground therefore they couldn’t fit a bigger engine under their wing. They put the bigger engine higher up on the wing and that is why it climbs at a steeper angle
Don’t be worried, the chances of getting in a plane crash are one in 1.2 million and the chance of dying are even lower at one in 11 million. Whereas the chances of dying in a car crash are one in 5000.
They are the safest mode of transport, the amount of crashes is rare, but a plane crash’s fatality rate is higher vs cars, however, cars crash a lot of time making them a unsafe mode of transport.
That guy did the pull request and said, look all tests are working and published it to the repo saying something like: imma kill you if you file an issue
