The Story of Mal'Ganis, Where did he go?! [Lore] 

lol the subtlitle: "I AM MAL'GANIS! I AM A TURTLE!!! "

It's interesting to note that, while it was probably not thought up at the time we encountered Mal'ganis in Northrend, Nathreza was no more at that time. Illidan had already shattered it, imploding his portal and causing a cataclysm like the one that shattered Draenor. So perhaps that had contributed to Mal'ganis not returning for so long. As for what had been happening to him since then, he was supposed to be in warlock's order hall if I remember notes from alpha/beta correctly before that idea was scrapped. So... maybe he infiltrated Scarlet Crusade? It could related to those notes we can found in Tirisfal Glades maybe...

It's weird how they used someone like Mal'Ganis to make the main protagonists an antagonist for the next story.

i hadnt realized how seamlessly the dreadlords working for the jailor could work out in the story but hearing how pivotal they were in the setup of all facets of the lich king its surprisingly plausible

"Your curiosity will be the death of you." Arthas: Died literally. Jaina: Died metaphorically.

What would we all do without the Lore!!! Long live the Lore!!! ^^ PS: and Nobbel

Mal'Ganis started Arthas' real journey.

Oh god no... hearing him say "The Lich King plays a big part in the next expansion" actually made me feel genuine pain. Ow.

Well he is e turtle so i guess he made it to the water

“The lord of the dead” Ye , i love how the jailers just gets rid of everyone who did his part... and each next one thinks he will live thru it :D xD

Forget Mal'ganis, if Ysera is any clue Malygos and Deathwing might be around as well. And two former dragon aspects might as well be more powerful than one unseen guest.

He’s probably going to be in SL as a boss tbh. They’re hiding him way too well, and it’s also kinda ironic how we don’t even know who the author of the Enemy Infiltration book is...yet.

Wait a second, after this I'm so confused. Did we get any confirmation that the dreadlords are working with the Jailer? If so, the lore now makes no sense at all. Kel'thuzad in w3 was totally against dreadlords, even though he should have known he was working with them at the time? Did he not know this back then ? Am I missing something, or are there some serious plot holes that just totally mess up all the lore. Also didn't the dreadlords helping Sargeras take over Azeroth mess up with the Jailors plans of taking over Azeroth ? Were the dreadlords actually helping Sargeras or sabotaging him ? Does that mean that Kel'thuzad is now working with the dreadlords as well? Or does this just mean, that there are so many factions of the dreads that in every plane of existance that even the Jailor is being manipulated by them ? How far back in creation do they go ? Man my head is about to explode. Mr. Nobs, can we get another deep dive vid on this matter ?

Bless you for not using the reforged footage

It's kind of crazy how well the lore works for Shadowlands and The Jailer pulling the strings when you realize that Ner'Zul stopped being a thinking entity when they turned him into Frostmourne and the armor, and all the instances of "the lich king" and so on are really in regards to Zhovall and company. Really makes a lot more sense, as, IMHO, the whole "Lich King=Ner'Zul" never really added up for me.

really strange that there wasn't more of him in the demon expansion....

"With the new expansion on the horizon" - Uhm..

Duh, he went to Heroes of the Storm

“The lord of the dead”.....hmm.

Where did he come from Mal'Ganis the foe , I've been a lich king long time ago, where did he come from where did he go where did he come from Mal'Ganis the foe

The biggest question when it come to Malganis will still be.. Where are his loyalties? To the Burning Legion.. or the Jailor. Considering what is said in that journal or report.. It seems that the Dreadlords are under Sire Denetrius.. in turn working for the Jailor. But what about Malganis.. he WAS betrayed by the Jailor. Which also means. betrayed by Denetrius. His lord. And then he went on to attack the Scourge.. Over and over. I mean the Scarlet Crusade HAS been active.. since Cata i think. But not really done much. As well as we got 2 remade dungeons.. with new stuff. A fire mage burning down books "None shall know our shame".. Ok.. And a New champion for Whitemane. And the recent talk about a TRUE heir to the Menethil Throne.

I can't wait for the Nathrezim to show up in SL!

it would make sense, since the new lore is that the whispers through frostmourne were really the Jailor, that Mal'Ganis would have a grudge against the jailor, the player, and maybe bolvar as the new lich king? But it would be neat to see Mal'Ganis show up and be like "yo, jailer, you betrayed me!"

Love this

Nobbel you friggin rock dude

there's a lot of demons whos whereabouts we are unsure of, remember the npc's hunting remaining demons in bfa as a sidequest?

Everyone asking why he said upcoming expansion, its started in the info that this video was ready to be posted a while ago but didn't get uploaded.

Semi surprised you didn’t go with the updated version of Warcraft 3 for the look though given the reception I’m not shocked you didn’t.

hes back baby

It’s interesting how the Dreadlords seem to have some level of immunity or resistance to the mental effects of the different powers, letting them act as spies.

Hi nobbel..... Just out of curiosity..... Why didn't you use warcraft 3 reforged as background video instead of the classic one

I only watched this because its exactly 20 minutes long and my adhd kicks in at 20:01

i always knew it. gma turtle is mal ganis! who else would enjoy torturing us with "a turtle made it to the water" lol

With no sign of him in shadowlands so far i just picture at the end of legion mal'ganis is just at some corner of the world going "welp everything went wrong and im screwed" and is now just hiding as a turtle

I havent watched this yet but I like to think Malganis has been in the shadowlands allowed by sire denathrius to be Arthas's jailer taunting and torturing him day by day.

imagine the demons helping you to defeat the lich king....now that s a scenario I would love to see...

Was this a re-upload? You said upcoming expansion

I honestly had thought he was killed during Legion at some point, lol.

Upcoming expansion Shadowlands? Did you forget to upload this earlier?

"I'm a turtle! 0:27" lol

I have always wondered... What would be the Uther's plan for Stratholme. To let everyone turn into ghouls and only then kill them? Or let them wreak havoc across Lordaeron? His decision to leave drove Arthas right into Lich King's hands.

You forgot about the Scenario after the Wrathgate Incident, Mal Ganis was there too. When we Sieged Lordaeron as a group, Alliance and Horde.

better question, "Where did he come from?"

Really wonder how the story of Ner'zhul fits with the retconned lore of shadowlands and the Helm of Domination.

“Sargeras didn’t have a copy of chronicle” if only he did. He could have had an awesome line like sylvanas after the latest cutscene, he could be like “I will never burn planets” after burning planets for millennia.

Where did he go? Back to his shell.

I use subtitles on youtube and beginning of the video is hilarious "I AM MAL'GANIS AND I AM A TURTLE!!!!!!"

@Nobbel and everyone I'm bad at internet. Who is the spy in the midst of the Narru? It is mentioned in quest item book with assessments of all the different factions/clans/groups. Was that already revealed in cinematic?

So who was the revenant Guardian outside Frostmournes chamber working for?

Is it possible if not probably malganis is the reason bolvar survived? It would explain a lot chronologically with the events of the shadowlands.

You didnt use Reforged models ? :p

at 13:23, one of the pages in his tome says "Matt"

Just finished a Halls of Atonement run. The final boss dropped a staff named [Nathrian Ferula].

If the people in Stratholme stayed at home and kept social distance, this wouldn't have happened :v

Now that we know Denathrius created the Nathrezim to infiltrate the other cosmic powers, it's very likely they will play a part in Shadowlands. Maybe the reason Mal'Ganis didn't do anything in Legion, was because they were saving him for this expansion. We know the dreadlords played a part in the Lich King's creation. They convinced Kil'jaeden they were the ones who created Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination for the Legion, when in reality, these items were made by the Jailer who only used the Legion as a means to get them to Azeroth. When Mal'Ganis talked about the "Dark Lord", he wasn't talking about Ner'zhul. He was talking about the Jailer, his true master. When Arthas sent him to the Nether, Mal'Ganis "served his purpose", meaning the Jailer abandoned him, like he abandoned Denathrius after the raid. This was why he sought vengeance against the Lich King in Wrath: To rob the Jailer of his champion. Mal'Ganis didn't show up in Legion, but he could easily make a return in Shadowlands. We've already seen the return of Uther, Kel'Thuzad, Lady Vashj, and Kael'thas. There's a high chance Arthas might return in a future patch. What better time to bring back Mal'Ganis as well? I'd love to see the two former enemies team up against the Dark Lord who screwed them both over.

« Upcoming expansion, Shadowlands » Uhhhh... did I miss something? Is this a reupload?

Nathrezim homeworld major patch. Dreadlords betray Zovaal after how they've been treated by him (Mal'ganis and Sire Denathrius), becomes a mid expansion surprise new playable race? It could even be getting corrupted by shadow and lead into the next expac or something.

Wait... so the twisting Nether is just the Immaterium/Warp?

Where did he come from? where did he go?

So the video is basically: Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, Mal'ganis? Damn, doesn't rhyme :(

Is this a very late upload or did I slip back to the past?

Did Frostmourne really save his people?

Mutton Chops Boy, Where are you?

After seeing this, Should we be skeptical of Lothraxion too? 🤔

I could be mistaken but didn't we kill him in the priest order hall in legion. And that the priest order hall was located in the twisted nether. So isn't he perma dead?

19:43 I'm sitting on the loo, so absolutely a "turtle made it to the water" 🐢🐢💩💩

And then he went to the Nexus, where time, space and lore don't matter. It is known.

I keep getting this weird feeling that Denathrius isn't the leader of the dreadlords. He would be the only one we even meet in the shadowlands and he seems to have nothing to do with the nathrezim homeworld.

oh.....i thought he had something in shadowlands i didnt know of

I am Mal'Ganis! I am a turtle!

3:08 - lmao i just noticed Denathrius name is hiding there DEtheroc balNAzzar varimaTHRas tichondrIUS DENATRHIUS BRUH IS A DREADLAWD

using WC3 cutscene is way better than Reforged.

so does that mean the dreadlords served The jailer or just stole his power?

I mean, The Wrath of the Lich king was the first expansion they did after activisme took over, so it makes sense a lot of it was rushed and not fleshed out. (I mean just a look at the armours should be enought to determine that) but also Nerubians etc. Not to mention they made Nezar'Azret in legion, a Nerubian queen, into a Scarab lord, like wat? xD

1:35. “Corporal Form reporting for duty sir” its corporeal, meaning of a physical body

NOBBELL please respond so givin that I’m shadowlands the jailer had control over arthas and destroying the helmet opens up the shadowlands what happend with narzuul and kil’jaden? Do you catch my drift I’m super confused

Isnt it canon now that the dreadlords found froustmourne and did not craft it? How did they make sure that their souls could not be absorbed into frostmourne?

No good story can begin without warcraft 3 !

manipulated the Dreadloards?

Something doesn't add up with how they are rewriting to try to shoehorn Shadowlands into the rest of previous wow lore. If the dreadlords were actually created by Sire Denathrius....then why did we literally "NEVER" see any nathrezim anywhere in the shadowlands and no where in castle nathria...? Moreover, if Mal'Ganis was working with Denathrius against Sargeras...then why all the surprise and anger when the lich king would do things against the sargeras plan? Why the anger and surprise when arthas killed his form? Why bother with revenge if the lich king was literally doing everything according to plan? Moreover, it makes no sense how dreadlords would make themselves immune to frostmourne....if supposedly the Jailer made it. Or, what we suspect from the shadowlands cutscenes....frostmourne was made by the runecarver or the primus. Why would the runecarver have ever made nathrezim immune? Likewise....if the retcon is true....then Bastion failed yet again by constantly returning nathrezim from revendreth back to the nether when they died in reality instead of back to the shadowlands to be judged by the arbiter. That whole "Limbo" world quest for kyrian players makes absolutely no sense.

Obvious. He's in the Nexus

Is this about Malganis or Arthas?😂 you got sidetracked and forgot ha?

He didn’t show up again? We all know he’s jaina and wants revenge for the “dark lord” aka the jailer for killing him...

Or sylvanas is working with malganis. Since she was chosen. Since her soul is in frostmoune just like arthas. And arthas cant be used anymore.

shouldn't it be to the end of azeroth? and not to the end of the earth?

I'll tell ya what happened, he's in the nexus now

Why's arthas say" I'll hunt you ti the ends of the earth"??? They're not on earth rather Azeroth?

2:10 Names are swapped

I like turtle!

the light didnt save him hahaha

Where did he come from ? Cotton eyed Joe

Plottwist : the Runecarver ist actually the " normal " Jailer. And the Jailer we see is Mal´ganis in disguise

The day the void lords the legion and Zovaal's forces get Azeroth I the day boars can fly

Why did you make a video based on the old Nathrezim lore that is no longer valid?

shadowlands has been out for a while now

No one: Some of them: *making a joke of the cotton eye joe with Mal'ganis*

Malganis is derek or panda.

Wasn't Mal'Ganis one of the demons in the Broken Shore battle? Now I have to see Varian die again to check.

Not lore-related, but am I the only one who prefers the wotlk dreadlord appearance rather than the ugly clown-looking legion one ?