The story of Margaret Clitherow | Pressed to death for her beliefs 

Religion is far from civil.

It is. Just under the surface coils the capacity and willingness to do the most vile cruelties. It is the human condition... And I do not think that will ever leave our species. Violence is ever present, all the way back through the centuries. 😔

@@onlyhuman1954 I think Steven Weinberg said it well when he said this in an interview _“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”_

@The Cash Cow Piñata - Hit Me To Get Money Ahh yes, the law where I can purchase slaves to do my bidding was useful. Knowing I can keep them permanently by buying from surrounding nations helped me out immensely. Knowing I can pass them to my son as an inheritance was a nice touch. Being able to beat them almost to death with impunity does take a lot off my mind with regard to legal repercussions. Indeed, where would we be without biblical laws. I was pissed off when I found I couldn't eat shrimp, or wear poly-cotton clothing, as these are against the law, but hey, take the rough with the smooth I guess. Win for the slavery though 😅

@@briannewton3535 there is a universe of sorrow in that observation. Multitudes have died the most hideous deaths...

Or any religious beliefs

@@carollewis5931 Or their Christian beliefs.

I wonder if that was one of the reasons that Margaret refused to enter a plea

@@sameyers2670 probably not, as the property would have belonged to her husband. More likely she wanted to become sanctified by her suffering.

I've said else where the Brits of yore excelled in barbaric executions.

Both were amazing parents who made sacrifices for their children.

What incredible determination shown by Giles Corey! He must have loved his children very much. Thank you, Garret.

Excellent, thanks Ian 👍

Hi Ray, thank you & welcome to the channel. If you have a moment, take a look at some of our playlists for other videos 👍🏻

And if he had said "Yup, got me! I'm a witch!" I assume that they would have what...burned him at the stake!? Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

@@thethirdchimpanzee yep

​@@thethirdchimpanzee Hanging would be more likely since there was no burning at the stake in Salem.

I find it entertaining that those who worship the all powerful, and all knowing god of the bible would think that their god can't sort out a handful of witches without their help. It's as if this all powerful being simply doesn't exist 😅

@@briannewton3535 These were greedy people using God as the excuse for evil behavior. That unfortunately has been going on since the beginning of time. We have free will and what we do with it has nothing to do with whether there is the being called God or not.

Thanks John 👍

What do you mean when you say "Can mankind ever wake up to realize how truly connected we are" ?

Exactly, a convenient regret, she was very famous for that. Another example of her spiteful side, was when she left St. Philip Howard Earl of Arundel rot for 11 years in the Tower of London just because he was a Catholic, never allowing him to see his wife and children. If it wasn't for the outrage that followed St. Philip's death sentence after a sham trial, where false evidence was brought forward, Elizabeth wouldn't have minded sending him to the block, but she got cold feet because neither she nor her Council expected such reaction. Still, she bullied out of sheer antipathy St. Philip's wife and didn't honour her promise to the Earl, that before dying he could see his wife and children.

Indeed. Christians killing Christians who worship the exact same god. You would think they would maybe pick on killing the Hindus, Buddhists or atheists at least. Christians eh, totally irrational behaviour. 😅

Umm... my makers are sadly already dead. I wont be seeing them again. They were wonderful parents, and I think of them often. I hope you appreciate or appreciated your makers also, as it does take two to make us humans.

What wikipedia says is that she allowed herself to be pressed to prevent her three children from being tortured to force a confession from them. "She refused to plead, thereby preventing a trial that would entail her three children being made to testify, and being subjected to torture." If the judge really was on her side he would have at least permitted her to wear the shrowd she requested since she was willing to be executed, but didn't want to be executed while naked. The judge denied even that request.

@@lovetobe6118 That's not true. Her children would never have been tortured, and confessions from them weren't needed anyway. She wasn't allowed to wear the shroud but it was laid over her. The judge and numerous others, Catholic and Protestant, tried to get her to enter a plea. She seemed to want to be a martyr.

@@martynb901 I mean multiple websites seem to talk about that aspect. Do you have a link that shows evidence to the contrary? I am just not buying that she wanted to become a martyr in one of the most painful and embarrassing forms of executions especially while pregnant. www.vetch.co.uk/smc/St%20Margaret%20Clitherow.htm

@@lovetobe6118 Most of what is known about Margaret Clitherow comes from an account by her priest and confessor John Mush, who wrote The Life and Death of Mistress Margaret Clitherow, avaliable from the Internet Archive. Here are some extracts from the lead-up to her sentence of being pressed to death: Judge: ‘Good woman, I pray you put yourself to the country. There is no evidence but a boy against you, and whatsoever they do, yet we may show mercy afterward.’ She ignored this, and when told of the sentence of pressing he was bound to pronouce under the law for anyone not entering a plea, she replied: I thank God heartily for this.' Judge: 'Consider of it - you have a husband and children to care for; cast yourself not away.’ Margaret: ‘I would to God my husband and children might suffer with me for so good a cause.’ Judge: Although we have given sentence against you according to the law, yet will we show mercy, if you will do anything yourself.' Margaret: ‘God be thanked. All that He shall send me shall be welcome.’ She was examined by several local women who couldn't be sure that she was preganant but believed she probably was. When she was asked, she also wasn't completely sure but said she ‘thought rather she was than otherwise’. People begged her to have the sentence postponed on those grounds, but she refused. Bear in mind that they weren't asking her to plead guilty - just to enter any plea.

@@lovetobe6118 And by the way, her body was not just left at the place of her execution. It was removed after a few hours and buried without ceremony somewhere on the edge of town. But it was then removed in the night by Catholic supporters and buried in a secret location, no doubt according to Catholic rite.

His son Robert was just as bad, all of them have a lot of blood on their hands

Have you seen our video on Major Thomas Harrison?

Amen

We are all sinners. 🙂

Thanks Chloe, much appreciated 👍🏻

@Stanly Stud “ As you live your life , so you judge others “ !

​@Stanly Stud people in glass houses should not throw stones.

@@nicnaimhin2978 What is the problem about highlighting the vile and 'immoral' acts of others? Why should these deeds be kept quiet and covered up by the church that they associate with?

@@nicnaimhin2978 that comment says more about you than him.

@@hardlines2635 So easy to pillory the Church these days, eh?!

The Bar Convent got bombed by Hitler as well. A number of nuns died.

I thought you weren’t allowed to worship idols but that seems to be exactly what Christians do with martyrs

I fail to see the importance of you living near certain places..

It was insane what went on at that time sense and reason was forgotten and replaced by greed and superstition. RIP all who were murdered on the say so of children 🙏

@@Tjescoo I fail to see the point of your comment.... 🤷🏻‍♀🙄

Thanks David, I appreciate the comment and support 👍

@@thehistorysquad it'd be worth it to say with your last gasp, "I'm impressed" "depressing" "down with freedom of the press" "I'm pooping for the pope"

Margarets Clit Herow was pressed to death!

@@brendawolszleger4895 I'm sure it feels relevant in those last few hours

@@brendawolszleger4895She is literally a saint. All saints were sinners before they got to heaven. I assume you are confused how the word is used here so i'll expalin. In Catholic church people whose souls are in heaven are called saints. The process of canonization "making sure the soul is in heaven" is very complex. Though it is sometimes made simpler by the fact that said person was a martir. (I mean it's the most proven way to judge sicerity of someones faith)

Welcome.home Sir

Those were some of the least convincing words I've ever read

​@Gerry Tyrrell I smell brimstone.

You misunderstood those verses in Mathew, it clearly says in 1 Corinthians 10:4 “For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.” Also in Psalm 78:35 says that God was their Rock.

@@lorrainewhitehead9080 Christ would have used Cephaus Aramaic for Rock both times he was giving Peter a special blessing and by extension those who filled his position as head of the Church. You state what I used to believe until I took Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic. I then wrestled with it and prayed about it for several years. I know I made the right decision for me.

You're welcome!

You were clit hero w s? The ladies mustve loved you guys

Why would it change from clith to glith?

@@sforza209 I'm not sure

Pretty common name, under a few different spellings, across the north of England.

Because she was a woman? Aye yi yi.

Summat wrong here,.

😃 cheers buddy

@@trollmeistergeneral3467 😂😅😂🤣😅 The TROLL HAS APPEARED!!😂🤣

@@balancedactguy and deleted 👍🏻 No room on here for that

@@thehistorysquad Thank You Kevin...you're a right Proper Gentleman!!

There was even worse under the Papal autocrasy.

too* heavy

😜 brilliant, thanks

Yes, although Margaret had no property, it all belonged to her husband.

The roaring bull has to be the worst. Horrible, even the Devil would never have endorsed this.

I guess there were psychopaths back then as well.

I was a federal prosecutor in Detroit, Michigan a number of years ago. Standing mute at arraignment was a common practice when I was there. After a criminal defendant stood mute, the judge would enter a plea of not guilty. The thought was that to enter a plea would be an acknowledgement of the court’s jurisdiction and a consent to be tried.

back then it was neither a plea of guilty or not guilty, but a sign of rebellion against the authority of the court (and thus the government that court represented) which was a worse crime than just about any other. And if the court was already unlikely to side with you anyway, and sentence you to death (which was almost certain in cases like this) it really didn't matter. Pressing or burning at the stake don't make all that much difference, you're dead by a horrible method either way (and pressing MAY even be quicker and less painful, though I'm not willing to put it to the test, obviously).

ur religion is distugsting

@@kennethlowrie995 Would that not make the judge the defendants lawyer as they entered a plea on their behalf.

@@PeterMaddison2483 No

Of course they claimed it wasn't for religion, otherwise they would have to put Elizabeth at the same level of her sister Mary, if not worse.

You had know choice but to be ruthless if you were a British monarch, you wouldn't have stayed being one for long if you wasn't, many people wanted your position especially Catholics and when they were in charge they were no less ruthless in their persecution of protestants.

@@hetrodoxly1203 all the Catholics martyrs that went to the block pleaded innocent of treason and prayed before dying for the Queen. You can read the speeches of St. Edmund Campion, St. Robert Southwell and St. Philip Howard, who are some examples.

@@giltineful I think it was similar for the 287 Protestant martyrs.

@@hetrodoxly1203 not entirely sure, since Cramner tried to prevent Mary to become Queen, when it was in her own right by the succession act of Parliament from Henry VIII. Besides, Mary applied laws against heresy that were made by Richard II, Henry IV and Henry V, British rulers in their own right. And finally, if the Protestants were so much better and forving that the Catholics, why have they acted even worse?

Crazy isn’t it 👍

When one comes to a belief for no good good reason, then one doesn't need a good reason to be intolerant of those with different beliefs.

Thanks for the extra detail there 👍🏻

I wonder if they fled because they had a heart.

@@lovetobe6118 Probably because she was a woman and pregnant. Even the hardest heart would be repulsed. When Elizabeth I heard of the execution she too was horrified as this type of extreme cruelty was designed for men only although not stated legally. The sheriff of York was eager to gain brownie points from his Queen by showing how stringent he was in carrying out her edicts.

Cheers Woody, I appreciate that. I promise I’ll get around to some Highlander history one day, a worthy topic for sure 👍

​​@@thehistorysquadlease not Culloden 😭😭😭 lol I live very close by. Could see it from back window until they started building houses everywhere

Thanks Tia 👍

Thanks so much, I really do appreciate that 👍

There are far more creative ways... Slower ways too, which is where most creativity used to strive for, prolonging the process. These days executioners want to get it over with, back then they wanted to make it last for the entertainment of the crowd. The Chinese and other Asian societies were especially creative, and this was used to great effect on western prisoners of war in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Compared to what those sadists came up with the medieval Europeans were amateurs of the trade of torture.

I've thought that ever since I first started school. When you think about it, war is nothing more than people who never grew up getting others to do their fighting for them.

I think when the imagination of mankind can create supernatural beings, and then one or more disagrees with the claims of what others suggest their supernatural being decrees and is capable of doing, it is left to those with the vivid imaginations to torture each other, rather than these all powerful and all knowing gods to sort out. Religious folk are irrational, and irrational folk do irrational things.

I remember hearing that.

Yes, I believe the chaps name was Giles Corey 👍

I believe the story was that a dutch boy under threat of torture revealed where she was hiding the priest. "She refused to plead, thereby preventing a trial that would entail her three children being made to testify, and being subjected to torture." If she had kept attending the mandatory church service for a religion she didn't believe in, And stopped living her beliefs she probably wouldn't have been caught, but honestly how willing would you be to attend a church you didn't believe in? How willing would you be to stop practice a deep long held belief you had? She was determined to live her beliefs even if it meant risking death.

Cheers Arthur 👍🏻

Cheers Dan, I’m always happy to share a pint and chat history 👍 Where about s in the US are you?

We here in Saskatchewan are indeed fortunate to have had Kevin choose to move to our province. I have had the rare pleasure of meeting him in person and sharing a pint with him. Best wishes to you sir.

@@fangslaughter1198 I bet he can tell you a story or two, eh Fang. 🍻kudos. On the story in this video, I am from a fine city not far from York. So to any Leeds United fans out there. Shout out for a big final push. ALAW

@@theintellectualsamurai7265 We met in the Nutana Legion in Saskatoon . Kevin took a break from his work curating the military and arms displays there. He is exactly as he appears! The real deal. Can't wait to make it back again. Cheers!

To “ambulate on your hind legs” nice turn of phrase

Don't suppose you remember what her front door was like 😯

What was the real story? Please share reference

@@santoshnadar I'm not talking about this story

@@user-yx7dp2pl8t ok

Yes the story here about Margaret Clitherow is most definitely real. A quick Google will show you links 👍

What makes you think the story was fictional? Those who worship the Abrahamic god have been brutally imposing their will on those who do not share their beliefs over the years since Christianity was created, and continue to try and persecute those who do not agree what the bible teaches. I guess you are also unaware of the crusades kicked off in 1095, by Pope Urban II. Then The Spanish Inquisition to run between 1478 and1834, slaughtering a bunch more. Christians have been slaughtering others who don't share their beliefs since Christianity began. This story is just Christians killing other Christians because they wern't a 'true Christian'.

Thanks KC, you too 👍🏻

About Pressing was taught in grade school

Indeed, when one follows a sicko doctrine, and worships a bigoted and genocidal sicko, I guess it will naturally follow.

Cheers buddy, will do 👍

😜 thanks Fred

Women couldn't own propery in those days.

@@louisavondart9178 I believe this to be true. The predominant inheritance rule throughout the rest of England in the medieval period and afterwards was male-preference primogeniture, whereby estates passed in total to the eldest son.

@@louisavondart9178 ​ according to her wikipedia page (not always the best source, but anyway…): “She refused to plead, thereby preventing a trial that would entail her three children being made to testify, and being subjected to torture.”

Same with ritual, sense of meaning and order

😂 Thanks for watching and your comment Sean.

Fear not: assertive and outspoken women are a blessing unless you are suppressive and avoid the truth.