@@giannileegalvan2669 Aaron Keener is more of a two-face then the Joker but that depends on how you look at it any person's perspective nonetheless I good call
Just some quick background, I've been a police officer for going on 27 years. I've been a patrol supervisor for about 13 years. I've been playing the Division since release with only a few breaks between dlc. The way the current incident command structure works, Benitez would have had no way of knowing what would have happened following that order. The mistake made was not finding a compromise or in not omitting the portions that would have been considered morally and Constitutionally wrong. Abandoning personnel could have easily been ignored and somebody of his experience and background (narcotics) would have had no issues going against the parts of the order he found improper. That broke a bit of the immersion for me because it turned Benitez into a bit of a hack. Rhodes on the other hand, that whiney fuck split off, reducing the available resources for everybody. I found this suspicious because he would have known exactly the effect this move had and, since he was a former member of a PMC, I doubt it was a lapse in judgement. Roy's character is a good man. Rhodes... fuck that guy.
Ubisoft should have been giving you some sort of compensation by now. I mean, your videos are better than any advertising and they make me wanna jump back into the game every time. Fantastic job, mate! Keep it up.
I liked Benitez from the moment I met him at Lincoln Tunnel Checkpoint. He seemed like a no-nonsense, pragmatic hard-ass with a heart of gold. "I thank you, my guys thank you, and the people of New York fuckin' thank you."
I think he makes a great leader, everyone makes mistakes but he just wants everything to return back to normal but he has a lot of trust issues with the division which I don't blame him, you don't know who's gonna go rogue next, love your inputs on what you think might of happen alternatively, great video as always, cheers!
I was sincerely hoping to discover Aaron Keener and Alani Kelso shacked up in the penthouse at The Summits rooftop to let the storyline regain it's premier character and that his supposed death at Liberty Island was a decoy! Excellent video and thank you for continuing your most excellent endeavors with Division lore!
@@Aristocratic13 Right?!?! I now truly believe that Massive and Ubi just wanted to wash their hands of Division so they could move on to money bags projects like Avatar.
@@Aristocratic13 Yes. Avatar. Keep up. The last profits that Ubi will garner from Division franchise was the Warlords expansion. Almost all of the die-hard player base uninstalled Division 2 after all that fiasco. The only player base there is now is brand new folk who only remain curious about the game for a week or two.
@@gsalien2292 nah, there is absolutely plenty of players on Div2 and Div1. No issues finding people with matchmaking. But as for Aaron Keener, yeah, i think his story is not over yet.
Roy has had the worst go of it hands down throughout the story, started skeptical about the division and then as soon as he starts accepting them. They start going rogue and killing his guys. That audio log about survivors guilt, and the peacekeepers show that. I had a heart attack from the video title bc I thought he was gonna turn too and I honestly wouldn’t ever put a round in that man. Hes too good.
I'm also have a big fan of Benitez. I think he's a character in there that would do well with more expansion throughout the series. Thanks for putting this one up, I really liked it!
Love this guy. Roy seems like a fatherly person to the Agent. Always giving him or her support. My Agent sees him like a father figure he never had. Will fight for him until the end.
I doubt it considering how the manhunt season currently has you going after Bardon Schaffer and I'm guessing the season after that is going to be Faye.
No what would be the point we can already go rogue... Why should we care for burnouts that can't hack it oh let's see what it's like to give up law and order and make life shii for everyone else trying to help...I hate the rogues because asp they gave up and used another reason to get stuff done and attacked innocent people to create chaos and justify it by saying we fight on the wrong side what the side that wants to help people nah bro I'm good I could care less about thier side of things based on the shii we see in the field.
If you think about, NYC still would have been screwed without an outbreak. Obviously we know Div 2 takes place half a year later and so a massive hurricane/storm still would have struck the city, causing a lot of damage... Great video, love your perspective on the lore, I have very similar takes and theories.
Roy Benitez - "I thank you, my guys thank you, and the people of New York fuckin' thank you" And this is why he's the best. Salt of the earth. "Tony was born and raised in Scarborough, Ontario. He graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in New York in 1991. He has appeared in numerous Hollywood films as well many independent films and over a hundred episodes of television. He Is also a regular fixture on Canadian stages. Tony has been nominated for a Canadian Screen Award, A Broadway World Award, two Actra Awards, and two Dora Mavor Moore Awards. - IMDb Mini Biography By: Tony Nappo"
Are you ever going to cover or make a theory regarding Agents Johnson, Ward, and Dunne? (The agents that are on the cover of The Division 2.) They showed up in The Division: Extremis Malis comic published by Darkhorse, and are actually in a few echos and phone recordings in the game. There isnt a lot of stuff about them, but there's definitely more information about them than the original Division 1 agents.
Loving this series. I'm a New Yorker as well as Roy Benitez 🤣. I would have to say whatever took place after the takedown of The LMB was just enough, despite Keener pulling the strings. But with Benitez I says it was overwhelming as far as holding it down in all aspects going from a local, national and towards a global level; it's not about NYC anymore despite being the epicenter of the virus. But still managed to maintain his integrity throughout. Besides having the connection with this character I would have to say from one of the quotes, "...we pick ourselves back up." So I'm hoping that Roy Benitez stays alive through this series in my opinion. BENITEZ2020...
Just got into this game series and was truly interested in the lore. I found your videos and they are amazing, man. Thanks for diving in the lore and exploring narrative questions/possibilities. Especially enjoyed this video as Benitez is my favorite of the series. Pretty solid, dude.
You're not given all the information from your superiors at any time. Theres a chain of command for a reason right or wrong, the buck stops at the White House. Had he not done what he did, he might have been recruited by Keener or others himself, as disobeying a order would have made him cross a morale line. Once over that line, differences start to blur, choices become less right or wrong and more right now. Cheers for the video, always appreciated.
G1nge_UK Um I disagree. That’s the same problem with Batman’s school of thought. If you cross a morale line, whatever that may be since it’s drawn differently for everyone, you don’t stay an immoral person forever. There is such a thing as redemption. Batman thinks if he kills someone he’ll cross a line that he can’t return to. No lol that’s goofy. Growing older I realize how flaw that school of thought is.
@@Aristocratic13 Once you cross the line, it's easier to cross the second time, then the third. Its like an addiction, you're never cured, you're always recovering. Going back is just a small slip away.
G1nge_UK I have been in a AA group. I sat with Ex Alcoholics, Ex Felons, Ex. Rapist, etc. I have seen redemption. I have seen addicts recover. The world is not black and white which is how you are describing it. It’s gray as hell.
@@Aristocratic13 What you have seen is people fight addictions every day and win, theres equal or more that have lost that fight. There is always the chance for 'falling off the wagon' as i think its called. Guess we'll just have to disagree. Good luck to anybody fighting any addictions. Thanks for the chat, much respect
@@NGN Joe you know huge fan boy of your work!.... BTW have you thought what if.... what if fay really is NOT a rogue agent but deep undercover to exposed Schaeffer and the rest of white tusks and take charges only to discover who the real power behind this group really is... would we trust her. Can we rescue her from her deep cover before she is discover as a double agent but in the end she doesn't survive and we have to decide was she or wasn't she? HOW IS that for a plot twist?
It's a relief to see that he is genuinely good, a character like this end up being a traitor or something worse in some games and movies but no, he is genuinely a good guy, he even blames himself for mistakes he didn't commit.
@Omar Mejia Technically you kinda are in this universe wether via game or real life. Literally what’s going on in the world is exactly what’s happening or has happened in the game...
Glad he survived. Hes a favorite if mine and a steadfast ally to the agents. Hes a good man at heart and only wants whats best for the people hes trying to protect but also the men and women under his command. He knows the risks of pushing them to their limits and what they will be facing so won't put them on a path to suicide. That one mistake will haunt him but it will also remind him that following orders can be hazardous in ways you can't imagine in the present. It took one order to pull out to set in motion the rogues, the horrible situation that followed and the loss of untold amounts of life that followed. Its something that is best not repeated in the future if the options are to retreat and leave people for dead or try to help them.
Absolutely love these videos man gives a whole new feeling and purpose when playing thank you sooo much👍👍👍 To anyone who hasn't seen them all so far go back and watch them I highly recommend it you go back in with a chip on your shoulder so much more immersion.
For a man to go through all that and still function as a proper human being, and be a leader & know he's seen so much bad. That is a strong-willed man but secondly I don't think of any human being, who could go through all that and not contemplate killing themselves. Or just wishing is this today I'm going to die by someone I trust or someone who I used to trust.
Benitez is one of the best characters I ever had in games. And in a game like the Division and the Division 2, that gotta count for something. This guy might be passionate but in this, he can remain his cool. He's pissed at Faye and while the whole philosophical way that Keener or Faye do, it's his way that you best look at things. The right way or the wrong way.
I've said it before, I love your Lore vids about The Division! I've been away from the game for about 2 months now, but I'm about to jump back in because of this! You reminded me of why I love the Division's story
In situations like these there no reall right choices to make, cause whatever you decide it will have an negative effect somewhere on your operations. Caring for other can be a great strength but it also can be a weakspot at the same time, cause you cant simply make the moves your enemies are making. The same applies to patriotism and/or having faith in the governments, who besides corruption always play the number games based on mathematical models. The man simply did what he could and had no choice to do things other than on a case by case bases.
if you've managed to get the named 'Kard' pistol, the Ghost Recon quote there.... gives a really big HMM there (and if there's any reference of Skell Technology in NYC, aside from ODEA)
Shit maybe it’s the ghosts that are attacking the agents and helping black tusk? It makes sense since no one except for the ghosts know about the ghosts
Man, awesome video, love the lore... you are one of the best in this genre, you are totally up there with the Vaati’s and ENB’s... keep up the excellent work my friend!
Didn't she leave to a more secure location to work on a cure?? I could be totally making that up based on false memories or some opinions I heard... But if she didn't then yeah, I also wondered what happened to her as she was a very high value individual from the first Division game.
@@TheReasonableLiberal-hn2rs Yeah, but that wasn't the question... In fact pretty much all the women roles in that game (including Division 2), are toxic, vain and bitter personalities.
Faye's issue with the lack of manpower wasn't Roy's fault. If anyone was to blame, it was Rhodes, for leaving and taking so many with him. Rhodes and Faye should have been at each others throat in Warlords. Rhodes with his distrust of the Division, and dislike of Faye in particular, and Faye because him leaving and taking so many with him left gaps that weakened everywhere else. His leaving to join Haven and taking those JTF officer's with him, directly caused the man power shortage that caused Hell's kitchen to come under attack, and cost Faye her sister. Had Faye not lost her sister, she wouldn't have gone rogue. Edit: Ridgeway wanted best for the men under his command first, and the city under his jurisdiction second, imo.
Twilight Sparkle Yeah agreed. Rhoades I believe had good intentions but ultimately he was selfish. He distrust the Division which I can understand, however, he trust everybody else? Who’s to say a Peacekeeper don’t have ties with a Riker or a Cleaner?
Thank god for Roy getting Rhodes to let us into haven. He keeps that guy on a short leash and thats a good thing. Rhodes makes for a VERY bad leade I believe. At least I was able to convince him after Keener died so thats a good thing. Still I have very few friends after Laye stabbed me in the back. I'm just glad that I have Roy watching my back.
My comments on the order discussed in this video: 'scale-down' operations exist for a reason. At the same time, (real world) officials have a nasty habit of just flat out ignoring them. Personally (though this is probably why I don't have a position like this), I would have pulled together a step-by-step process that would happen in gradual phases. The withdrawal would leapfrog from bottle neck to bottle neck, with clear communication to the agents: "We're in the process of winding down. Here's our plan. You figure out what you're gonna do."
Where has it been confirmed that Roy was actually the one in charge for the DZ's establishment and closing? On the comment about how unlikely it would have been that he would been replaced, imo he definitely would have been replaced by someone more incompetent or even someone who works under Ellis/BT.
To be honest even with the way it was I would have flat out told JTF high command"f&@k you and I do what is the right thing and go back for the first wave and try to take the dark zone sector by sector after regrouping and I know it was bad but this is what I would do.
In the current time where the division 2 is getting a bit samey the division lore gives you a new prospects of the agents the jtf and how you work with what you got and keep thinking it will get better As Alfred in batman said the darkest time is just before the dawn
I just want to know what happen to my 4 four characters from Div 1, I went back to Div 1 just to see if they changed Hell Kitchen but they didn't. There is a big piece missing between the two games.
