Can I go back to pretending this game doesn't exist now? I had a hilarious idea for the thumbnail of this video, and I almost regret not doing it. I should have used a picture of Bowser. / pariah695 ko-fi.com/pari...
@@GottaFistDemAll I can totally believe this. "Pfft! Bills. When I finish my great new laser to harvest the power only thought myth from the world itself, I will have no need to pay no bills!" "But for now, they're far overdue, sir." " *Did I stutter, dinkbot?* " (yes, AoStH because we're all tired.)
Dr Eggman in this game: "Don't push my machine over the limit. I just want a little bit of the planet's energy." This is the same character that destroyed half the moon and broke the planet in 8 pieces just to build his theme park. If Eggman is not being reckless and stubborn, he is not being Eggman.
@@galten9767that’s fair, but I guess the main idea is that eggman’s overly great ego and overly ambitious plans that he only sees his side of are a big flaw and reason he usually loses. So it feels weird to see him have restraint for no reason in this game.
Eggman's an ambitious fool whose schemes will eventually destroy the world if left unchecked, but even he understands that people die when they are killed.
@@galten9767how would sucking the life energy out of plznts and animals precent eggman from building robots obeying him? metal isn't powered by green grass and wdym he never killed anyone? does his plan to blow up staton square with a giant missile seems non-lethal to you? is eggman okay with murdering people but he's just never succeeded before because he's exceptionnally bad at it?
I won't lie, the cutscene where orbot wanted to be sonic's sidekick was the only time I laughed at this game just because I briefly wanted to see what that would be like for a future game
That whole plot point with Tails getting pissed at Sonic for trusting Eggman is beyond idiotic, not only did Sonic work with Eggman in the past, but TAILS worked with Eggman in the past too. Where the fuck is this shit coming from?
The worst part for me is for easy it would have been to make it work. Early in colors did tails think that eggman might have turned a new leaf for real only to find himself on the receiving end of a mind control ray. So just reference this and have tails after his misplaced trust in colors would have doomed the world of not for Sonic's suspicions now overly corrects to the other side like Sega often does an is now way to distrusting of Eggman.
You’re so silly, didn’t you know that the writers added the Plot Armor chips in Them so they can’t be smashed to pieces so we Can keep hearing these bucket of bolts’ HILLARIOUS jokes?
Oh my gosh, how did I never pick that up? Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them that they either forgot that Orbot and Cubot were Eggman robots or they straight up disregard this plot point because Orbot and Cubot *need* to be here because they add so much (I don't even mind specifically Orbot but neither of them serve any actual purpose).
Everyone loves to make the joke that the kids who grew up with these Sonic games are gonna be nostalgic for these stories and defending them within a few more years, but I genuinely cannot fathom that ever happening. Like, I can imagine a kid playing Sonic 06, Shadow, Black Knight, or Unleashed and thinking it’s the coolest shit ever, even if those games aren’t very good. But Lost World or Forces? Nah, you’d have to be radically contrarian to simp for those. I get that Sonic is for kids, but kids don’t like things that are super blatantly obvious about it. At best, I feel like if kid me played Lost World or Forces, I’d probably have seen them similarly to how I saw the Game Gear Sonic games where it’s just kinda, a thing I played that isn’t super great but kinda cool because Sonic.
Forces came out when I was 12 and it was so bad that it killed my interest in new Sonic stuff for years I've caught up since but it really sucked for a while only being interested in pre-Forces Sonic stuff
You're right. I dont grow up playing lost world or something but i used to watch the cutscenes of the game and I'm nostalgic but not in a "it was so good" way but in a "I used to think that was good"😂
Zimbo ~Dull Verdant Girl of Lost Hex~ no fr it does actually work really well in touhou for a lot of presentation and execution reasons that make it totally fall flat here
lost world is so fucking funny to me dude. here we have a sonic game that desperately wants to be a mario game so they make this colorful mario ass world with goofy mario villains but the story and dialogue are like weirdly dark??? like we got the fat orange guy going "i'm hungry i want to eat" but then you kick his ass and he deadass says "mom was right, i'm a failure" like???? sonic's going through this bowser's castle ass level and amy calls him up on the phone and goes like "our planet's dying we're all fucking dying sonic" like it's so weirdly grim and out of pocket for what you'd expect from this game. this game's tonal dissonance is on another fucking level man
So as someone who has read all the issues where the Deadly Six appear… they still suck. They are treated to be more of actual threats, “but threating” does not equal “likeability”. They’re also shoved in in a really bad Way where they become the main villains for the Metal Virus Arc Thanks to Anti Perry the Platypus.
@@charmyzard Eh it was just Flynn/IDW staff making stuff up/pulling from other stories for their take. Sonic himself doesn't really act like his game version what with him repeatedly making full lectures to the villains over his ideals even when they make it obvious they don't accept his arguments (see Surge).
@@themissingbits6375 IDW just used Zavok to make the Metal Virus arc have a bigger villain than Eggman and push Starline deeper into being not!Snively and be a tool to once again have Sonic show how much like Steven Universe he is.
Maybe I’m not the foremost expert on Sonic characterization. And maybe the subtext is supposed to be that the robots would undermine Sonic. But the thing saying genuinely that he admires Sonic and wants to work with him, just for Sonic to tell him to basically fuck off we can’t be friends, that kinda broke my heart a little. I know he is supposed to have an attitude but that seemed rude af . The Sonic I know would say something like you can’t be my sidekick but if you wanna help you can start by doing X thing. Am I wrong? Is there missing context? Where is Amy and her superpower of absolute compassion to squash any beef between the good and bad guys? This is worse than I thought. Please tell me if I’m off base on any of this
You're absolutely right. Sonic is never mean to people. Not even his enemies. But talking characterization is pointless here. These are not the Sonic characters.
@@kroganshepard6594I don't understand how Zavok keeps getting into this franchise even through one of mentions like Frontiers. What about this character makes him deserving of being allowed to exist in this franchise.
12:04 actually a point i want to address is thats why i love Black Dooms design. Is because he doesnt look like an ordinary Sonic villain. He looks realistic and has a genuine otherworldly and evil look to him.
The STUPIDEST thing about the story. The Zeti hate being controlled by Eggman, so Sonic frees them. Then the Zeti try to kill BOTH Eggman and Sonic and destroy their planet?! ..........WHAT?!?!?!?!?!!?! What beef do they even have with Sonic other than when Eggman commanded then to stop him when he was in control?! Are they just evil for evil's sake? They are the DUMBEST characters to EVER have been put in a Sonic game. And even in the comics theyre just evil for evil's sake. What the fuck is this story?!?? 🤦🤦
@@Pariah6950I can see why you kinda said the same thing about mephiles. Though atleast he was more inline with 06's message about facing whatever bad is to come in the future and get things right.
Well the general implication is that Zik raised the other 5 to be evil and give into there dark thoughts leading to Psychopath Zazz Glutton Zommon Believer in Pain as the only absolution Zor And 110% selfishness and vain Zenna So the real question is why is Zik evil?
Tbh, I like the art direction of the 2000s where they just slap Sonic in the human world. Specifically in the Dreamcast era and late pre-reboot Archie. I like seeing these more realistic environments contrast with the Sonic characters.
Your visceral disdain for everything relating to Lost World gives me immense joy. I apologise for reveling in your suffering but it's just too entertaining.
@@tjlnintendo I don’t think you understood what I meant because I was talking about the fact that he says that the game is better for not having a story even though it’s the 20th anniversary game so that means it should have an actual good story and also all the cast are there, but they don’t do anything with them. They are nothing but “ hi, I exist “ so that’s why it’s a problem there.
The zetty only caring about their planet and being fine with sucking the life out of Sonic’s planet could have been cool but… nothing was made about that
I always liked this story more than Colors'. Because even if none of it was executed well, there was a little more going on in the cutscenes than the characters just standing there saying nothing.
I just finished the video, and i gotta say i don't know how people could possibly defend this story, the writing is just SO lazy, like, even my mom hates it, that's how you know it's bad. It has plot threads, themes and characters, but they are so lazily done that none of that goes anywhere. Like Tails for example, i don't know exactly if that was the intention, but it could be about Tails growing up and starting to feel insecure and like Sonic doesn't trust him, where does that go? Absolutely nowhere, that's where it goes. Frontiers tries to address this and continue that character arc but that's like almost 10 years later and it doesn't fix the prior stories, it just tries to explain in an in character reason why Tails acted that way so they can possibly fix the character, but this story, yeah that was a long while ago, can't fix that. The story also tries to have a theme about life and nature and stuff, but it's just a thing for a few cutscenes and it's not even executed well. Such a poorly done story, glad these guys aren't working on the series anymore, they clearly didn't care while on the job, and they definitely don't care now.
Here’s an important question: What do the Deadly Six actually do as a team? Chaotix are detectives, the Jackal Squad are mercenaries, the Deadly Six are… what exactly? What were they doing before Eggman showed up? Everything they do in the game is with his technology, whether under his orders at first or to spite him later on. They’ve supposedly been around for a long time (their founder Zik is over 1000 years old, and the other 5 are at least 100), but they may as well have been Eggman’s creations run amok for what little background they’re given in the actual story. This is partly a result of the Lost Hex just being such a nondescript setting.
7:02 In the Japanese version of the opening cut scene, Tails refers to the Lost Hex as the Continent of Illusions. It's not much, but it's more than the English version got. It at least explains why we see floating cupcakes in one of the levels.
One of the biggest things I hate about the story is that it's the first time Sonic ever acts before he thinks. If this was just a one off thing that never cam e back that'd be one thing, but for some reason so many descriptions of the character include this now, at least from what I've seen. Funnily enough I wouldn't even say it's a trait that shows up again, it's just the fact that they added that as a part of the character that's potentially on the table when it just doesn't mesh with Sonic. All it ever existed for was to be some kind of catalyst for the forced conflict of the game. I don't hecking know, it's just so clear it was a trait made because it was like, "Oh Sonic's fast, of course he would just do things without thinking." I seriously hope that this never gets revisited in later titles.
His JP bible bio says he's impetuous and not concerned with "details." It's more that Western writers see that Sonic needs to be humbled or learn or have someone like Sally there to police his behavior rather than be the paragon who's always knowing what to do who others learn from.
I may sound crazy, but I see potential in the bones of this plot. Imagine emphasizing Sonic assuming that the Zeti are another Knuckles situation, locals being coerced by Eggman as he pillages and exploits their land, even resorting to trapping animals in robots again (and it does need to be called a throwback in the story, I agree). And he’s right to see it as that! But, unlike the likes of Knuckles or Chaos or the enslaved wisps, the Deadly Six aren’t peaceful people, but conquerors themselves rightfully feared on the Lost Hex. They aren’t potential friends of Sonic, they aren’t benign or misunderstood guardians, they’re basically evil and ambitious local warlords who take the first opportunity to heighten their power even more. They’re ‘natural’ to the area, and don’t deserve to be enslaved by Eggman,but that doesn’t inherently make them any BETTER than Eggman’s ruthless aggressive technological expansion. They’re a problem that imposes on others’ freedom too, and this in turn could be great for Tails’ role. Sonic is impulsive and keeps thinking of the situation as business as usual, which breaks his decision making a bit and leads to him making mistakes, Eggman doesn’t want the world destroyed but is ultimately just looking to take back over, and the character who best represents technological progress and development without hurting or exploiting the land is key to creating a happy ending for the area. These pieces could all be arranged without changing a single major story beat or gameplay section, even! It’s just a matter of actually writing to the characters instead of pie in face BS from the Happy Tree Friends guys. The most that might need to be added to make it work is maybe some Lost Hex local characters who aren’t the D6. Give some new friendly characters basically Amy and Knuckles “role” in the actual product of hanging around, reacting to events, and watching over rescued animals, and suddenly you can do something, bare minimum, functional, that is a new situation for the characters to deal with.
I enjoyed parts of the gameplay, but I was legit gasping at points when you brought up cutscenes my brain completely blocked out. Zardoz deserves a redemption arc.
To its credit it any, there's plenty of grey Breaking Bad-style moments for Eggman like him literally aiming a *gun* at the main duo AND FIRING AT THEM, his chill moments like "That's quite a drop! - Yes, yes it is" with Sonic showing they CAN get along in the right (wrong?) spots, or his "sacrifice" to SAVE SONIC in Lava Mountain. Oh, and the rant against the Deadly Six in Frozen Factory we all know and love (and want more of?) Gathering material for a funny reference music video, I was surprised Eggman had this many star moments in Lost World. Maybe PONTAFF had something up their sleeve but were chained too tightly?
Actually Sega doesn't force Zeti to be in comic books. It's just that one certain writer is only good at writing them. To be fair, what to expect from Penders' successor?
You know what could've worked story wise? And I'm taking this from what you did with Colors, how about they have done this... Sonic comes to visit the Lost Hex after hearing tales of his bizarre look from everyone around him, only to find out that it's a lost kingdom in the sky being taken over by the Deadly Six, no Eggman what so ever, and idk they could've brought back some characters from the canceled Sonic Xtreme? Because everything including the DS themselves felt like they were carried over from that game, idk just something throw fling at the wall but what do you think? Feel this could be worked on more
Ya know…I kinda wanna feel sympathetic towards Lost World’s story, if only because I think its idea of Sonic and Tails not being totally in sync as a team (and the resulting consequences thereof) would make for a genuinely compelling story on its own, with the whole “gotta stop Eggman from killing another planet” subplot helping to add a sense of urgency that - at least theoretically - could lead to even more interesting character moments for Sonic and Tails. But…that would basically make it a bizarre discount hybrid of both Sonic Colors and Sonic Unleashed’s stories; One that I’m thoroughly convinced Sonic Team - along with whoever they bring on for dialogue writing - would be utterly unable to do justice to. (As a side note, I find it a neat coincidence that a lot of the problems Pariah pointed out in this video were also pointed out Luke and Roger Van Der Weide so many years ago.)
This is not a coincidence, Luke and Roger Van Der Weide are the real reason why almost everyone thinks Sonic Lost World is absolute trash, their biased opinion influenced their viewer to the point of brainwashing.
Disagree on the Opening Cutscene, I think it looks just as if not better than those of the Previous games. It just wasn’t as flashy action as the other.
This game's story is living proof that Sonic Team pushing the other characters to the side in favor of Sonic saving the day ended up hurting them in the long run. AstralWingz, a user on Twitter, came up with an idea that I wholeheartedly agree with to this day. That being Knuckles and Zavok could've been foils to one another. Hell, the Knuckles Clan and the Zeti could've been at war with one another over the Master Emerald many years ago, giving us an explanation as to why Zavok and his crew are the only ones left and why they were stuck on the Lost Hex to begin with. It would also explain why the Knuckles Clan became power hungry warmongers, their fight with the Zeti making them paranoid and striking at clans they view as threats to their safety. Back to the main story, the Deadly Six have more of a reason to drain the Earth's energy outside of "rahh cuz evil" and Knuckles would once again be slapped in the face with his ancestors' sins.
This is actually a pretty good idea, now we just need to find a natural way for Knuckles to get involved with the story, i was thinking maybe he could see the Lost Hex from Angel Island and decide to investigate it similar to how he did in Knuckles Chaotix, he then bumps into Sonic there, they have a bit of banter before being attacked by the Zeti and then they start work together without a second thought or even needing to say it out loud, showing how in sync Sonic & Knuckles are with each other, if we wanna get Amy involved we could just use the same excuse as always that she just chased Sonic into the Lost Hex, somehow, it seems kinda lazy but i think it's pretty funny so i'll just stick to that.
I went into this expecting it to be like 99.9% rant and 0.1% actual criticism/praise and I was pleased to know that I was correct. This story does so many things wrong.
a friend had me design zeti for him before, and one thing that I find is the biggest sin of the deadly six's designs is not that they wanna be mario-esk, but that they are just boring and dont do anything more than be generic archetypes like fat man, bowser, girl, lanky punk, small old wiseman, and emo yknow
When he said cardboard cutouts that talk when you press the button and make them talk that reminds me of the cutouts in poppy playtime chapter 2&3 when you press them they say a line.
I like the Zeti. Yeah, they're just Koopalings for Sonic and they're mostly just 1 personality trait. I just like some wacky looking designs. And they're fine for spinoffs.
I know the story of Lost World isn't that good, but after watch this video I realized that you can make anything seems horrible when you talk disrespectfuly enough about
I only now just realized the sound of Zazz falling at the veeery start is the same stock sound as the Water Wraith in Pikmin 2. You never forget a sound like that lol
Thinking on 29:27 , I think it may actually be the case from their humor they picked up at Happy Tree Friends - a deliberate shocking parody of kids cartoons. "This is horrible. Let's send a wink to the victims of this game that we knew it sucked, okay?" "Right, right."
Tails' insecurity doesn't come from nowhere, he has an excuse, I don't know if it's decent, but an excuse nonetheless. This bunch of filler scenes involves the joke of Cubot disembodied so that Tails connects him to a robot crab, which drives him crazy and almost harms or "kills" Tails (Yes, kill, because this game loves to play with dark themes in the most bland way possible)So Eggman reproaches him for his action, Tails gets defensive but Sonic stands in favor of Eggman. This makes Tails feel insecure with himself and with Sonic considering him capable. Edit: Oh, no, sorry, the order of the scenes was the other way around. Worse yet, the lab discussion scene has a joke of Eggman being unsure of his genitals. everything is garbage
I have seen some awful stories for kids, teens, adults and I don’t know, out of all of them I would say sonic lost word is the worst because the location is just there because we need a location, the villains are somehow the least effective villains I’ve seen in my life, the character drama and interactions are flawed on a conceptual level, the tone is a mess, the comedy clearly had no thought put in to it, and the visuals are cheap and ugly, at least the acting isn’t casting random strangers levels of bad and the tone only makes the dark things seem out of place as opposed to making everything look out of place.
The game isn't that bad apon replay, I find it really fun, but the story is very lackluster and not fun apon rewatch.but zilladia is alo a lackluster villain.
I'm sorry you had to sit through a dumb story like this but it was really funny how half assed you summed up everything. I'm excited for how you'll cover Sonic Forces.
Lost World and Forces are some of the worst in the series because they're just so "nothing". Lost World is worse though because while Forces is just bad edgy Generations with some cool ideas that were wasted, Lost World is lesser Super Mario Galaxy gameplay with a stereotypical Sonic structure and a nothing story. Then the 3DS version has some of the worst stage design and THE worst special stages in the entire franchise. Not just the 3D games, not just the handheld games, those special stages are absolutely GARBAGE, I don't think any other special stage in any other Sonic game, mainline or otherwise, is worse. So you got a lame Wii U game and an infuriating exhausting 3DS game. Followed immediately by Sonic BOOM Rise of Lyric. Good fucking lord.
