The Defias Brotherhood is honestly one of my favorite factions of the game. Their story is very interesting and I'd love to see them go back to Stone masonry in a future expansion.
"Yer a good lad, Varian. Now our two cities are connected through the Deeprun Tram. Our alliance is stronger then ever. What? You need gold to pay the workers? No, sadly we have no gold. We dwarves don't concern ourselves with material needs. We don't really know how gold looks like, honestly. Mines? What mines? Khaz Modan is full of farms, not mines. We are honest, farming people ... of the mountains. I should really go now, me wee brother, Brann, asked me to see some of his new artif... , I mean some of his art. He is an artist laddie. See ya!"
At estimated 5:03, since VanCleef basically built Stormwind, and afterwards built the Horde, that means he knew of the weaknesses of Stormwind and how to protect Stormwind against the Horde. Thus, we can safely assume the ship would somehow deal massive damage and obliterate the walls of Stormwind.
You also have to consider Vancleef isn't a moron he wouldn't just attack it in broad daylight unless something was happenig to take the eyes of the ports. He would make some kind of distraction and than make his assault. So it would definately have done damage to SW.
I really wish blizzard would do more with the defias brotherhood the westfall questline was so good, and the origin of the group is also such a good story
Skittlez12350 Agreed. But what could they do? Making up another child would be... repetitive. Then the story would become less interesting and that's not something we want to see. A good idea would be to make it so that a group of rogues that were sentenced to death were able to escape at the very last moment and bring the Defias brotherhood back to life. That would be awesome.
So the Alliance displaced a group of workers from their land and made them build a city, promising them payment, and after they had finished the job, the nobles of Stormwind refused to pay them, after they had rioted for being blatantly cheated, they seek justice and yet they are branded as evil. I am actually rooting for these guys right now, they are the victims here.
Same here. I suddenly regret killing all of those Defias mobs and clearing the deadmines. Killing hard-working craftsmen who've been cheated/wronged by rich and uppety-cunt nobility is not good :(
Onyxia was controlling them, Varian wanted to pay them but the Nobles were too powerful. When his wife died in the rebellion he became depressed and Onyxia took advantage of his fragile mental state to secure power.
While Vanessa claims her own life. You must take into account she's a brilliant woman. Smart and tactical. Who knows if she could fake her own death there? She didn't explode in a mess of gore despite how close that explosive was to herself. She could be faking and Blizzard could use it against us as a possible injury of her own. The Defias Storyline shouldn't end in Cataclysm and is one of the only few branching Human stories that doesn't involve Varian and Anduin directly. I would love to see if Vanessa's fate wasn't ended there. I would expect someone smarter not just die like that. And hopefully Vanessa might make a return in the future.
Travis Gibbons Yes. That would be AWESOME! It'd even be awesome if some thugs brought the brotherhood back to life to fight against Stormwind for whatever cause they may find :-)
+Travis Gibbons AHA! I was right! My tin foil thoughts proved right! "Vanessa VanCleef - Class: Rogue, Quest: Honor Among Thieves, Zone: The Hall of Shadows Most think to this day that the infamous leader of the Defias Brotherhood died in the Deadmines years ago thanks to an elixir that mimiced death and flame retardant armor. In truth, the wayward daughter of Westfall found her way into the secretive order of the Uncrowned, where her anti-government motives were well at home. She quickly rose through the ranks to the mysterious Shadows, poised to finally have the means to enact her revenge." www.wowhead.com/news=250014/patch-7-0-1-legion-beta-build-20740-achievements-class-followers-professions-ico
Travis Gibbons that was literally the dumbest shit ever. “She was just pretending to be dead, After exploding and laying down on a flaming ship for hours.” It’s so easy for blizzard to just make up random shit to the point were none of these twists are even interesting or shocking. Yep she just used an elixr that makes her mimic being dead and made her flame resistant, cause why not, we gotta bring back this trash character cause blizzard can’t come up with new original characters.
I agree, when i was a noob 9 years ago starting out in the game the westfall questline and defias brotherhood were AWESOME. they dropped that grey headslot item that was rogue only that immediately made you cool, and the defias armor set was sweet. it made you feel awesome, because after seeing lvl 60's with armor sets it was cool to get your own at a low level ^_^
greg sheppard also, the story was very easy to follow and understand which made the zone more enjoyable, westfall and duskwood stories aree both fantastic. remember the abercrombie quest chain where he tricks you in to helping him summon stitches? great zone
I keep trying to get back into because of the books and these videos but I cant cause It takes way to long to actually get to the game part of the game. probably going to start playing next month again I must be insane.
jake mitchell Well you're not expecting those farmers to think about that when they hear this very appealing offer to join the Defias brotherhood, are you?
Nobble the Stonemasons did not get payed as Onyxia infiltrated as a noble of Stormwind suggested to focus on the army instead of giving the Stonemasons their money for the job. That is what i've learned thru all the 5 Changes to this story. Good episode tho i like it !
you need to listen to what he said, he clearly stated that there were multiple sources behind what may be the reason for them not paying the stonemasons. one of which he stated they didn't have the money because the nobles spent it on expanding the army, which he then followed up saying that Onyxia had a huge grasp on the nobles minds basically forcing them not to pay them.. so everything you just said he clearly stated.
collwyr You just said enough to idiot yourself. As i clearly said that that the two first ones mentioned are the most accurate but put together. As this story has changed 5 times already in-game aswell as outside the game. I stated those that are from in-game. Learn your scources and don't responde to comment without knowledge of the subject.
Nobbel is there any lore on battlegrounds and the rep like sentinels, stormpike, league of arathor (who is arathor?) etc. likewise for the horde. I know you said something like drek thar was gonna be in WoD.
Arathor is the name of the human empire, it was built by the Arathi family to ally all human tribes to help the high elves in their war against the trolls. Look up wowpedia on google, you'll find a ton of information there.
Silly Mortals and your trifling conflicts. Yes, worry about your disgruntled, poor and hungry. But do not check the fire that burns beneath your very feet! Muh hahaHaaHAHA!
I loved this one by far. :D Made me remember the first time I played wow was after cataclysm. I read the quests but, was confused on this woman speaking to the people and such. Now I know this was a story that began before Cata. Also I didn't know deadmines had a lvl 85 run o_o I would have seen all of that other stuff.
I think he mean that back in the day, when u achived something in WoW it felt like an dam bomb rush of adrenaline, now it feels alot more like when you have been to the gym after a semi hard workout where you were kinda tirred, and you just feel like Arr :) nice and now on to next thing. But i do get ur point of view WoW is still fun, but to people like me who have played it for years, other things are just more fun.. :) Plus now i do alot of things in real life, so its cool. Personnal i think its good that they do this the way they do. ( except from the buying lv 90s thats kinda fucked, one free sure that a good idear.. But come on, taking the challange away (again)..
does tiffin have the stats of a critter because who in the warcraft universe gets killed by one rock, not to mention there are people like garrosh who survived a raid group and malfurion survived the wrath of the burning legion and then there is tiffin wrynn who gets killed by a rock
I really don't believe Vanessa is dead. Her death could have just been in the mind of the heroes under her venom. She was too well voice acted and fleshed out to just be killed off like that. I'm sure she'll return.
I dont think so, now we are fighting Dragons that are trying to destroy Azeroth and Orcs that are empowered with evil god stuff.. I think thats better than just a human teen who has like no lore at all.
Martin R Vanessa herself may not be very fleshed out but I think the Defias are an excellent enemy for stormwind, they may not be as powerful as deathwing, as ferocious as the orcs, but their cause is more righteous, more justified, and that makes them even more dangerous in many ways.
Martin R Well I hope they come up with something new for the alliance to face, everything has been pretty horde centric for a while and I wanna see some turmoil in their side for once. :P If not the Defias then something interesting.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, I WAS RIGHT! SHE SURVIVED! In Legion, Vanessa Vancleef makes a return in a quest: Honor Among Thieves in the Rogues class hall. I SHIT YOU NOT! www.wowhead.com/news=250014/patch-7-0-1-legion-beta-build-20740-achievements-class-followers-professions-ico Look up Vanessa Vancleef, and see she survived! "Vanessa VanCleef - Class: Rogue, Quest: Honor Among Thieves, Zone: The Hall of Shadows Most think to this day that the infamous leader of the Defias Brotherhood died in the Deadmines years ago thanks to an elixir that mimiced death and flame retardant armor. In truth, the wayward daughter of Westfall found her way into the secretive order of the Uncrowned, where her anti-government motives were well at home. She quickly rose through the ranks to the mysterious Shadows, poised to finally have the means to enact her revenge."
That's not cool man, no one asked for legion spoilers in this video. It's relevant but totally unexpected. Like me posting Star wars spoilers in an Avengers movie. Totally inconsiderate
Alexander Edward That's Meatball, and he's a gnoll, but an entirely different character. He explodes in gore. But there are priests and medics that resurrect the fallen combatants. Which explains why more people can join the Fight Clubs.
+Travis Gibbons I think she died in the actual story but was just brought back as retcon probably. Since in Legion theyre bringing back everyone who dies. Arthas probbaly comes back at some point also
i was always interested in the defias brotherhood lore, kinda sucks they took out the defias gear set :\ hopefully they make more lore about them in WoW and bring back that gear in a later date!
I'm going to watch this tomorrow with a cup of coffee, cause I like drinking coffee while listening to a good story from Nobbel. ps you made me go back to wow and I left during the burning crusade xpac and I'm enjoying the game.
Some suggestions: The Scarlet Crusade Kul Tiras The Grimtotem The Dwarven Clans Mograine and the Ashbringer The Kirin Tor Kel'Thuzad Lady Vashj Anub'arak Kael'thas Tirion and Eitrigg Thrall Drek'thar Kadghar Danath Trollbane Kudran Wildhammer The Troll Clans The Demon Lords (Kil'jaden, Archimonde and Mannoroth) ♥
According to Blizzard, There is a secret underground that connects from deadmines to stormwind. I want to know what they are going to do with that. Also, Blizzard said that they have been working not only with the furbolgs, but with the kobolds. It is a very interesting lore that has so much opportunity. World Of Warcraft: Rise of the Defias Brotherhood.
wow, you learn about the brotherhood as far back as the quest "report to goldshire" in which if you read the message to marshal dughan, then go to "thieves" you can see that it speak about "A Brotherhood"
They were the hard-working people of the Alliance. What did they get for building an entire city? Nothing, they even got slaughtered in the end. And the Alliance dare call the Horde monsters?
I lvoed the new Westfall questline with Vanessa, it was actually a pretty nice little twist of events and a pretty funny one when it started out! Great video, I never knew any of that about the Brotherhood. Makes me feel bad about killing them all in Deadmines . :( I liked how they changed Deadmines too, pretty neat little quest area now!
LOL what? How was the new questline with Vanessa at all "a pretty funny one" AT ALL. in anyway? What? It was always serious and very well done in a VERY engaging manner!
@@Gadget-Walkmen my guy I wrote this 8 years ago, I don't remember what I enjoyed about it. Clearly I thought it was amusing and didn't say it wasn't well done or engaging just that it was fun. Oh, maybe because it starts with the guy investigating blanchys death and it references the sunglasses csi guy?
@@jinx17 Oh yeah THAT, that I can see what you think is funny. And I can agree with that because it's done in a very amusing tongue-in-cheek way. And time is irrelevant so it doesn't matter if it was 8 years ago, as long as you can remember, which you did.
idk, thrall always wanted peace between the horde and the alliance. now Garrosh might have used them, but not openly, to take out members of the alliance undercover.
NOBBEEEEEEL, thanks for the awesome vid. I was wondering though, will you ever be making videos on the stories of all the zones in-game? I'd LOVE that. Just one video per zone, discussing the storyline.
I'd love to ask one question, Nobbel. If Edwin was killed five years ago (As of the Cataclysm), and Vanessa was a very small child by then (I presume 5-9 years of age) and five years later Vanessa is a full grown woman? I would have to say from my assumption her maximum age is 14. This is merely my speculation, that I ave been wondering about ever since the Westfall Questline in the Cataclysm.
It's not like they have separate models for 5-year-old 10-year-old 15-year-old and adult characters. We don't know (I guess) her age when she had her child model... she could've been 14 then...
Nobbel87 This is true. But I just have some trouble making sense of the fact that if she was around 14 years of age, then how does she look like a full grown woman? I guess WoW just has a hard time with time, sometimes... As for Demonist's comment, They don't have those models but they could of easily made a model like that. Oh, well. Maybe I'm thinking of it too much, hmm? :P
What happened to them is really no excuse to go around assaulting innocent farmers and murdering people. The Stonemasosn were ripped off, it's true, but they took it way too far.
Ever sense Vanilla, I have loved to do the dungeon: Deadmines, Also known as VC, because back then DM meant Dire Maul. Defias Brotherhood, was legit. I remember twinking my 19 rogue in Defias gear, and getting the 2 blades VanCleef dropped. I was happy to see they added a story to it in the newer Expansions.. And I hope they keep going. The armor that VanCleef wore, I know it has a name, and that Leatherworkers could make it. But I don't remember what it was called. Wish I knew :D I would totally make a character to look exactly like Edward VC... :D Anyways TY for making a video on the lore, Hopefully It will keep expanding on this. With WoD I hope defias raise up and decide to fight, or something.
Instead of helping the people of Westfall and rebuild their land and give them jobs what does the current government of Stormwind does in Cata? Build a giant fucking statue of King Varian Wrynn and his enormous chin instead. Well done high king, well done, no wonder why the Delfias returned.
Id like a video of Bolvar Fordragon, cause I dont know who he is, and it seems like he is going to be a really important person, as the new Witch King. I hope that you make the video, but most of all, I like all you video. So I just hope you keep on the good work.
"Fantastic job"? "Better than before"? The layout of Stormwind is a mess. The roads are hard to follow, carts cannot fit through the bridges or the tunnels, city gates are impossible to close, sewers run throughout the whole city and the prison is inside the city. Not to mention during a siege those few bridges would cause the city to fall. If the original city was similar then no wonder the Horde could destroy it so easily.
A friend of mine almost died when he fell backwards from a standing position and hit his head on the flat concrete. (He was doing a keg stand and was drunk and dizzy/light headed from the keg stand). Luckily no permanent damage but it was a painful recovery process (for months he was in almost constant pain). Never underestimate the power of a rock!
A friend of mine almost died when he fell backwards from a standing position and hit his head on the flat concrete. (He was doing a keg stand and was drunk and dizzy/light headed from the keg stand). Luckily no permanent damage but it was a painful recovery process (for months he was in almost constant pain). Never underestimate the power of a rock!
***** the softest spot is the temple. And its entirely possible a second impact on the ground or something finished her off or something. a hit like that could still have caused some brain damage maybe even some brain hemoraging. Didnt neccessarily have to break open her skull like an egg.
Onyxia also manipulated the Defias. She manipulated them into demanding far too much money. Then on the other side, she manipulated the nobles into offering far too little.
And now, after an infamous life seeking revenge on behalf of her father and the Defias Brotherhood, Vanessa VanCleef now holds the wretched job of being one of your "champions" in the rogue class order hall. How the mighty have fallen.
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