Yeah - hard to blame him really. Looking at that lab, it seems as though he wasn't exactly exposed to the brighter side of mankind. Throw in the torture, and yeah - he was probably bordering on Insanity. I did like that they threw in a few lines that hinted that he was probably quite good natured, before humanity got involved.
I love that character changes from the first film are not only an improvement, they make perfect sense in-story as well. Harley's broken up with Joker so rather than oozing forced sex appeal she's more positive and proactive about dealing with "bad boyfriends". Flag has had multiple missions to get along with the Squad while simultaneously coming to terms with all the messed up shit his government has been ordering him to do/cover-up. And Waller has just grown colder and more ruthless after years of leading the operation. Also related to Waller, her executing the perfect robotic bureaucrats in the first film means she's stuck with the B team office workers.
I hadn’t thought about that execution connection, it did seem weird to me that the guy with the beard seemed to not understand what the squad was about, but if he’s a random tech hire then that makes a bit more sense
Was never a huge fan of Capaldi’s era (never liked Clara and pretty much lost interest by the time Bill showed up) but that episode is nothing short of a masterpiece. Capaldi acts the Hell (bent) out of every character, even if the script is whack
@@ericlayton8888 id say rewatch bills series cause it was easily the best series since the first matt smith one, and it actually has a great finale and serves has a great refresh from the clara shite
loooooool @40:49 to @41:20. That epic type of banter is what separates this channel/podcast from literally everything else. Also Mason is an absolute savage. lol.
My only real disagreement is on Peacemaker, they seem to be lukewarm on Cena's performance in the movie but in the theaters he had the most laugh out loud moments of anyone. I do agree that I'd prefer a Flagg TV show over a Peacemaker one especially given how amazing Flagg's character resurrection was in this film, but Cena was surprisingly great. Given that Gunn wrote the show, I imagine it'll be a political satire mixed in with incredibly violence which might be easier to pull off with Peacemaker than a Flagg "villain co-star of the week" type show they were imagining.
Flag had some great moments but he’s not remotely as interesting as Peacemaker, imo. I want to see more into his strict code, and can’t forget how hilarious he is.
@@iNostraD It all depends on the story they want to tell. There's no doubt that Flag is the more traditional protagonist, but given that the show is an 8 episode run written and (mostly) directed by the guy who wrote the part on the first place, I imagine Peacemaker will better fit the story he wants to tell. I'm definitely looking forward to it. My point was that the Flag character was definitely "saved" in this movie compared to the previous movie and I'd like to see more of him. I was surprisingly shook when he died in the movie, so Gunn and Kinnaman did a good job making him a likable character.
Peacemaker was an A-Hole. That's how you get people to root for someone like Bloodsport. Who's a freaking assassin. You get a bigger A-Hole who's a borderline, if not not a full on Psychopath John Cena did a GREAT job. Didn't know that he had such a great comedic timing. Looking forward to his solo show
@@ItsTheGuy77 agree with you on his comic timing. Gunn did great with Dave Batista as well who is mediocre at best in every other movie I’ve seen him in (granted, I haven’t seen them all). Maybe it just comes down to good writing and putting him in a position to succeed. You can’t even compare Cena’s two roles he had this summer, he was wooden and boring in F9.
What is the monsters motivation??? He was happy floating in space looking at the stars being peaceful and suddenly he is taken and tortured for 30 years non stop. Then he is released, and he is still just a scared animal on an alien planet. That’s the monsters motivation.
Some of, if not THE most iconic super heroes ever on their roster, and they fall on their faces. Drag in the D squad and they make gold lol.What a fun movie.
Cause they keep trying to deconstruct their big iconic characters instead of just giving us a fucking Superman film where he's a happy go lucky hero who's a hero cause it's the right thing to do.
@@dustinakadustin You're in an audience that hates Superman. You got your "happy go lucky hero" film back in 2006. And like everyone else, you hated it so bad that you repressed the memory of that film. Stop lying to yourself and pretend you want them to make it again. We've run this experiment. It failed miserably.
@@sirtoby4939 it failed cause the director sucked, but most fans of Superman on two things about that film, Routh was great and the plane scene was awesome. We don't need edgy Batman Snyder Superman, we need proper good superman. It's why people actually like Superman and Lois. Cause it does Superman the justice he deserves.
Said this before but if I could make one change to the movie it’d be that when Peacemaker’s pinning down Flagg, Katana comes out of nowhere to save him. Reverse shot to Flagg suddenly in his outfit from the 2016 movie, he whispers “This is Katana… she’s got my back,” cut back to Peacemaker with a look of pure bewilderment, then the movie goes on as normal but with Flagg still alive. Flagg’s inexplicably back in his costume from the 2021 movie, Katana is never seen nor heard from again
I'm interested to see what the overlap is with people who complain that "superhero" films don't take risks and the people now complaining that this didn't stay more traditional with characters not being killed and making sure everyone has their "big hero moment". Benefit of the doubt that's its not just a giant circle and is somewhat of a vent diagram.
Hey, at least you've left that much room. So many folks complain an audience at different times takes two opposing and mutually exclusive views as if any large audience would have the same views and biases on a property. Frankly, for a thing like Suicide Squad that's where you do your weirdo stuff that pushes the boundaries.
The Suicide Squad was SO good, favourite character was definitely Blackguard. Such great writing and had the best scenes in the film and hope he returns in the sequels 👏
Anyone else get really confused when people are like "Oh the box office wasn't good. I bet it's because....." you put on a streaming service the same day! Of course the box office isn't going to be good. I don't get why companies are acting so surprised by this haha. I could spent $30, not counting snack, to watch this movie OR I could watch it at home for no additional money of a streaming service I already have with my phone plan... man I wonder what I'm going to do hahaha.
The only people who are likely to use the box office numbers are people who will want to argue against the film to be honest, and they'll find any ammo they can regardless if it makes sense or not. I'm the only person I know that saw the movie in the theaters, everyone else just watched it at home on (as you said) the service they already have. Normally I like to go see movies I like at least a second time in theaters later in the run, but I have a 55" TV on my wall with surround sound, so that won't be happening here given I can just throw it on whenever I want. I guess we'll see (if and) when the streaming "numbers" came out if it's successful or not.
Yeah, same. I was already getting spoilers in my RU-vid feed, so I figured I should watch it soon. Can't get sooner than just turning it on. I would pay extra for it, though. Maybe not $30, but at least the price of a regular ticket.
Yep, it's defiantly up there in DCEU movies. I do like how Harley has gotten better every film, to the point she IS the DCEU now. I'd love to see them take from the animated show and have her buddy up with Ivy!
Spoiler: I liked how Gunn set up Polka-Dot Man through most of the second half of the movie as the only one on the team capable of taking down Starro, only to be unceremoniously crushed. lol. Unfortunately, that whole bit was completely ruined by the trailers when they showed him yelling, "I'm a superhero!" A lot of people, including me, predicted he'd get nixed the very next moment just from those trailers. Annoying.
I agree 100% with the trailer thing. Also to build upon that, I wouldn't say the trailers made the movie predictable, but you could definitely work out who was gonna die early on and who would make it to the final act. Still a Kick-ass amazing movie though.
I use to love watching the trailers for big movies but recently really tried to watch it once when its first released then never again until I watch the film. Too many one liners/deaths/scenes ruined by trailers these days
TDK could have been a cool power. Give him guns and clips on his sleeves, with on hand loading the gun in the other and switching off - or providing cover for each other to advance their position. One arm gets shot and flops to the ground and does the whole "go on without me" bit in hand gesters and the other arm picks it up and carries it to safety... just before TDK gets killed because he has to be in eyesight of his arms - exposing him. I mean, he's not 10-Eyed Man.... that guy is stupid.
Totally, they love to make fun of shit but they’re too obsessed with seeming like a bunch of irreverent cool kids who’re above it all to actually say something with any depth. It’s just “hey haven’t you noticed everything’s super fucked up?” over and over again without actually having its own take
Now that I think about it it’s probably in my top 3 too. There really aren’t a ton of superhero movies I can say are better. It’s just so much damn fun.
You guys kinda spoiled me on a specific death in this movie, with your recent thumbnails on Mr Sunday Movies. I’m not all antsy about spoilers, but half the fun in this seems like it’ll be guessing who will die, and I’m stuck in Sydney lockdown unable to get ahead of the spoilers.
listened to this during my tattoo session. it was a godsend, thank you. I'm all for you guys starting the opdcast mid-sentence. totally reverse-Sopranos this shit.
I learned Trevor Moore passed away from this. I'm genuinely devastated. I've watched WKUK since the beginning and the YT D&D has been a savior during quarantine. I'm literally in shock, so I'm going to pretend like he was part of the faux Suicide Squad. RIP Trevor. A true legend of comedy
Has it been said before that Waller put Quinn on the distraction team, and it seems the team was intentionally picked to be a distraction and get rid of all the troublemakers and useless ones from her prison.
@@Hunterfalke That and Waller can't control him as easily as others. He was very competitive with her in the first SS movie plus you saw how he reacted when he found out about Starro. Waller wanted him to die
@@audoodle9963 lol, crap! This is what I get for commenting while working on dishes. But what if it was a Muppets ad? Then I could be justified with my comment... that isn't the case this time.
Corto Maltese had problems back in '89, Vicki Vale reported on the bloodshed there for Time. Of course that was like SIX regimes ago... and possibly a different Earth, I'll have to get back to you after the Flashpoint movie.
Its crazy to me to think that Gunn what Batista for this because Cena's casting feels like a satire on his role in WWE as an american loving blue eyed babyfaced hero.
I’m pretty sure the reference to Corto Maltese Island in the DCU is a nod to a famous Italian comic book character of the same name (minus the ‘Island’ bit), created by Hugo Pratt. He’s an amazing character and the art in the books is beautiful. That said, I haven’t read the comics since I was a kid, and given it was written in the 60s the reality may be that in hindsight the character is actually some sort of Pluck-a-Duck sex pest.
Can respect your opinion, but that is the point of the show. It’s one of the greatest satirical pieces of the past 30 years. Would encourage you to try rewatching and look past the silly animation and crude humor. There is something much deeper there.
If anything, South Park parallels situations that we take for granted/cognitively dismiss and reflects it through an obnoxious and arrogant 20 minute premise.
I’m the same, I found the humor really repetitive and grating, most of the jokes are just people being awful to each other to amuse the audience and make them seem super edgy or whatever. It tries to communicate genuine ideas, but can’t get over its own need to seem cool and irreverent
Great podcast! Great episode! I went to see The Suicide Squad a few days ago with some friends and we all loved it. Fun fact, one of them intentionally avoids trailers and movie news, and thus did not know it's a gritty R rated film. She heard it's great, but expected something closer to some of the other WB/DC films. She almost shat herself with the first deaths. Beautiful.
I find it SUCH a shame that Will Smith didn't return because I feel like he just knew the first was so bad the second couldn't be bothered with, but I really feel like Gunn could have really put Smith in the limelight again. I loved the acting, the directing, you can tell the actors were robbed in the last movie. Waller was honestly amazing and even though Quinn is separate, they do her so much justice like she was owed this her whole contract .
It was timing since he was doing other stuff like that Williams sisters father bio-pic. But, yeah, I would like to see Bloodsport and Deadshot possibly bump heads or work together in a flick or whatever.
@ 18:14 Mason is referring to Heelvsbabyface’s video thumbnail, because _of course_ , only that guy can have that kind of reaction to a show with the premise such as Y’s lmao.
TSS definitely had pacing problems; but love how much fun it was without if compromising the thematic core of the premise and it’s political themes. Also big kudos to Gunn for honouring birds of prey in some regard.
@@Etticos. 2 moments stuck out to me. When she kills the president; Harley’s monologue it felt like a thematic epilogue to birds of prey and during her escape, it’s shot and framed like the Gotham police fight from birds of prey. It was clear Gunn was a fan.
The next mission, June Moon threatens and forces Waller to make another team. A team to hell and back to get Rick Flag. Imagine a squad of heavy hitters in a trippy hellscape world. Trying to get Rick Flag back. They could find and Waller could offer Boomer a deal in hell. Successfully complete the mission, get ten years out of hell.
Just as there is a moment in a fathers life where he will pick up his child for the last time, there will be a moment where James says, “West World” for the last time, as much as I don’t want it to be so. I listen keenly for when the West World interjection finally ceases so that I may mark the date for future celebration, reflection, and mourning.
That Tomb Raider analogy makes no sense because there have been plenty of franchises that have bounced back from negatively received entries. There's too much in the world going on right now to really determine why The Suicide Squad "failed". The positive buzz and whatnot is going to pay off well just from merchandising. You know Ratcatcher Hot Toys are going to sell like crazy
If you read the Garfield comic in a volume it’s an on going back and forth between Garfield and the clock so the joke works better if you read all of them but for regular readers it’s not as funny
**Spoilers** dude i was so bummed when Flagg died. Cuddnt give a shit less about him in the first but he was really cool in this one and obviously the only traditional hero (despite the fact he killed for Waller for....some reason?)
OH MAN! I loved The Whitest Kids U Know in high school! Sad to hear about Trevor, I’ll go back and watch all their sketches for good memories. The grape thing I’m sure has aged well.
Saddened to see two more potential torchwood viewers fall into the sex monster episode and never return. Yes, the second episode of torchwood is awful. I promise it gets better, but every person I try to get into torchwood hits episode two and quits. Hell, I probably only got so invested because I accidentally started with season two. I swear it’s actually a good show…
It's reasonable to be upset, especially given the state of your country and the extreme measures they are taking. There are legitimate concerns on both sides, and they shouldn't be dismissed. The best and only thing you can encourage is that people should only speak to their trusted, primary, medical professional and not to allow tv and the internet be the sole basis for their opinions. If there was a traditional vaccine (dead/ weakened/ inactivated virus) widely available globally that didn't come from China (Sinovac and similarly Sinopharm), vaccinations would be higher. Ultimately, it does not matter because the virus will mutate and spread. As it mutates it will get less deadly, that is unless it picks up a bunch of new traits from the 3 or 4 different vaccines that we have circulating currently because these pharmaceutical companies are mainly profit seeking.
I subscribe to this channel, only for the Pluka Duck news. Dicky Knee? Yeah he was OK, but Red and Wibur were carrying him TBH. 🎵It's not a chicken, or a cow... Plucka Duck! That's him right now!🎶 The Horror..... The Horror
As a non aussie who has never been to aussie, I agree as it is enlightening and humorous. I looked up the “Hey Hey Saturday” horni duck and wasn’t disappointed.
Umm actually, Mr. Movies, the space ship is called Cowboy Bebop. So your proclamation that there are no cowboys in the show is in fact WRONG. there’s at least one cowboy. Also I think the bounty hunter news caster is a spaghetti cowboy
There are two newscasters and they’re both cowboys with cowboy hats! I cannot believe misinformation of this caliber has been spread by a man who knows everything about anime
