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The Supremes, in Toronto for a week of concerts at the O'Keefe Centre, join Luncheon Date host Elwood Glover for a chat.
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@SupremesVideos
@SupremesVideos 6 лет назад
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@davidrosemale3573
@davidrosemale3573 3 года назад
Florence is drop dead Gorgeous, Strong-willed and Confident.
@leebowens2631
@leebowens2631 4 месяца назад
You got that straight...Jack ! Flo was always my favorite in 1964 at age eight I had a mad crush on Florence Ballard .
@skip031890
@skip031890 6 лет назад
Florence had such a deep mature womanly voice. And I like the response she gave to that shady interviewer about her weight.
@Jasper7182009
@Jasper7182009 Год назад
….. please, he is not a shady interviewer. He was an older gentleman - he was very polite and I think highly respectful of the three ladies. Those were the times and Diana Ross was very underweight at the time, even though she fit in with the Liverpool look, Twiggy, etc.
@forthdimension686
@forthdimension686 Год назад
This is good observation because it highlights how much American culture has changed. Alot of jokes that were acceptable back then are unheard-of now. Watch some of the comedians at the time and you'll be shocked at what they go away with😂
@skip031890
@skip031890 11 месяцев назад
@@forthdimension686 This interview was in Canada, I believe.
@SydneyChandler
@SydneyChandler 3 года назад
Was doing some research and found this video. So glad that Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard actually got a chance to speak, and it wasn't just Diana Ross with her "I, me".
@davidlasher3821
@davidlasher3821 3 года назад
Florence was always on point! Born ready! ....
@BriNic317
@BriNic317 6 лет назад
Florence Ballard was gorgeous and the Best
@davidrosemale3573
@davidrosemale3573 3 года назад
Yes definitely, and I do 100% agree.
@Leatherbro
@Leatherbro 7 месяцев назад
She represented glamor, elegance, and finer womanhood. RIP Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson.
@robertgarcia5199
@robertgarcia5199 6 лет назад
Florence is absolutely beautiful
@TGTSTS
@TGTSTS 7 лет назад
Florence handled that awkward question brilliantly! "I think i eat more than she." Ha!
@goodgracious6364
@goodgracious6364 3 года назад
Strange how they all imply that Mary and Florence are somehow overweight, when they each just seem regularly healthy! I can image those kind of comments eventually impacting their self esteem.
@ronstewart3082
@ronstewart3082 5 лет назад
Flo was just years ahead of these girls cause they were very young at that time but Flo was truly the star she had it all beauty brains one hell of a body the voice and the strength of a bull I was only 8 when she died but as I grew up I really cherish sista like her Tammi Terrell and others who didn't get there flowers while alive
@robcoulton4638
@robcoulton4638 2 года назад
Florence was a sweetheart. Loved her so much
@sandraandrews9907
@sandraandrews9907 7 лет назад
Thanks for posting this!! ALL THREE LADIES ARE SPEAKING!! Yes, how nice to hear both Mary & Florence!! 😀😀😀 and not as much Ms. Ross. #keepsake
@SWDetboy
@SWDetboy 2 года назад
Rest In Heaven Ms. Florence Ballard & and now Lady Mary Wilson,, Rock n Roll, R&B, Motown, Pop Music Royalty.. Long Live The Supremes..
@jukkas6807
@jukkas6807 Год назад
Flo had a beautiful soul grace was upon her. Rip sweet heart
@davidrosemale3573
@davidrosemale3573 3 года назад
Florence Ballard is so beautiful and fine.
@terrancetyson7535
@terrancetyson7535 3 года назад
R.I.P Mary Wilson
@dandreneuble8414
@dandreneuble8414 2 года назад
He done made me mad. Florence is my favorite
@jeffersonjames1964
@jeffersonjames1964 2 года назад
All 3 young ladies are just adorable and beautiful. The interviewer is stuck in the stone ages.
@Jasper7182009
@Jasper7182009 Год назад
I’m so sorry that you have no idea of cultural changes. But the gentleman is very much a gentleman and a very good interviewer. And I’ve heard many red state politicians today in 2023 who definitely sound as if they’re from the Stone Age. So leave this gentleman alone. if you don’t like the cultural environment of the time, then go to another video. The rest of us are enjoying this interview where he brings in Florence and Mary into the conversation instead of just following Berry Gordy’s orders in talking solely to DR.
@kiasky1
@kiasky1 10 месяцев назад
They look nothing like Destiny Child. The Supreme women were well spoken unlike Destiny Child. Especially illiterate Beyoncé.
@MoneyComethToshelia
@MoneyComethToshelia 9 месяцев назад
@@kiasky1 THAT WAS NOT NICE
@RudolphManor
@RudolphManor 2 года назад
David Ruffin & Florence Ballard Are Very Old Souls. 💯
@jeanandre6998
@jeanandre6998 2 года назад
Very Much
@mrob75
@mrob75 3 года назад
notice how Diane uses "I" vs. "we"
@Lialea1986
@Lialea1986 5 лет назад
It’s so amazing to me to watch these types of interviews/videos in this era! I can just close my eyes and see everything in color😍😍😍
@jaybalvin3566
@jaybalvin3566 4 года назад
I was just watching again this clip from June 21st , 1966 when the Supremes were doing concerts in Toronto,Ontario, Canada. The interviewer was Elwood Glover.I have always been disturbed how Florence Ballard's weight was joked about. As a Canadian and Elwood Glover being the same I'm disgusted and ashamed.The trauma Florence went through at 17 years of age which went untreated or acknowledged changed Florence.Back then so often young women a...nd espesically in the music business suffered emotional,physical/sexual/financial abuse.They were just teenagers wanting to be stars, not having any idea what that world was like.They had no supports,resources or such so often either played the game or if left the label were outcast.With the trauma many of these great female R@B/Motown/Soul singers suffered no wonder they turned to drugs/alcohol, suffered depression/anxiety/trauma which went untreated.Along with this physical/domestic abuse never addressed.We look at the abuse Tammi Terrell suffered from James Brown/David Ruffin for example.Really never acknowledged and often singers stating they seen,witnessed the abuse.Like our great Florence Ballard her trauma was never treated,they did not have Concurrent Disorder Treatment programs for Substance/Mental Health nor addressed her trauma she suffered. The women of the era paid the price and it is not a reflection of them but a reality how the male dominated industry mistreated their women who made countless money,fortune and fame for record labels.So when I see posts slighting Florence I take offence as a man do we not have any decency backbone to support what happened to great singers like Flo,Tammi,Tina and others. In this interview Florence to me shows Class 101 ,class is being humble despite rude comments as commented about her weight.Flo was a classy women,talented,strong and that is why we still talk about her and miss her. In a comment about her daughters and ex-husband I read.If I remember the daughters were like 8/8/5 when their mother died.So we look at big picture Florence Ballard was a survivor,a star,a mother,a singer and we still love her today.My only wish is Florence's family,daughters, etc be well,happy and know their mother is not forgotten,we still love her,listen to her music and will keep her legacy alive. God Bless , Jay
@zandersmiranda9256
@zandersmiranda9256 Год назад
When you look at this interview it's certainly has a feeling of watching a Destiny Child interview. Diana looks nervous at what mistakes the other girls will say, everyone is so tense, Mary Wilson looking like Kelly Rowland being in the middle.
@AlkalineInsides
@AlkalineInsides Год назад
I was actually thinking the same thing
@nopenope2601
@nopenope2601 7 лет назад
thank you for posting this!
@SupremesVideos
@SupremesVideos 7 лет назад
nope nope You're Welcome!
@JonteTheArtist
@JonteTheArtist Год назад
It's so cool seeing them so young and shy. This was way before my time. So seeing this time capsule is amazing. They're now older than my mom but my dad is in his seventies now. So Diane is in her late seventies now. The late Mary and Florence will be the same age. They didn't know how much they were going to change the world. The guy that's hosting probably didn't have any idea that they were gonna be legendary.
@AMarty-nh6mc
@AMarty-nh6mc 3 года назад
A one way Interview with Diana Ross
@michaelraymond5048
@michaelraymond5048 6 лет назад
It is very telling how many commenters have left comments about Florence Ballard. It is all starting to come out now what Berry Gordy and Diana Ross did to Florence Ballard. I don't hate Diana Ross but what she did to Florence Ballard was wrong and it's just funny how thanks to the internet it's all coming out now. Florence Ballard was so quiet and seemed to be more in the background but people still loved her. I read that Berry Gordy wanted Florence Ballard, sexually, and she flat out rejected him and after that he basically set about slowly sabotaging her. I also read that Diana Ross was jealous of Florence Ballard because apparently she was wolf whistled at a lot and received the most "male" attention out of all of The Supremes and Diana Ross was jealous of this apparently. Diana Ross knew she was Berry Gordy's second choice after Florence Ballard, she was sloppy seconds, and that made her jealous of Florence Ballard too. Then when Diana Ross got together with Berry Gordy they started conspiring to oust Florence Ballard from *her own* group, and eventually they did. Motown ripped Florence Ballard and a lot of other artists off with unpaid royalties aswell. For a woman who was a member of the best selling Motown group in history to die in near poverty is just fucked up. Florence Ballard should've died in a beautiful house with money. Berry Gordy was a scumbag. Martha Reeves had to take him to court for royalties owed to her aswell.
@beautyRest1
@beautyRest1 3 года назад
So true, I think Diana Ross did give her money though, but it’s a shame that she died poor. She didn’t deserve such a bad ending. Also, she was cheated not only by Berry Gordy, but also by her manager.
@michaeljacobs2954
@michaeljacobs2954 2 года назад
Flo always spent time with the fans signing autographs and just talking. She would typically be the last one to get into the limousine after a show because she wanted to spend some time thanking fans for coming to the show.
@terrellfloyd2398
@terrellfloyd2398 9 месяцев назад
What exactly did Diana do to Florence???..be specific.
@Akumaten1
@Akumaten1 2 года назад
Never understood why Florence was considered "fat"??? In all the pics I seen of her, she's skinny and proportionate to her size. I guess the preference back then was anorexic... Which Diana was.
@MoneyComethToshelia
@MoneyComethToshelia 9 месяцев назад
TO LOOK MORE WHITE-LIKE!!
@maryjorogoff6115
@maryjorogoff6115 6 лет назад
This interviewer was a total jerk!! Not only did he insult Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard once about their weight, he insulted Florence Ballard twice. What a real ‘class act’ he was!
@MelaniJohnsonn
@MelaniJohnsonn 3 года назад
I just couldn’t believe the insults he was giving and to laugh like the jokes were funny! What a bigoted man
@CocoaPuff01
@CocoaPuff01 Год назад
He was such an ahole. She isn't big by any means
@Jasper7182009
@Jasper7182009 Год назад
You have no idea how thin Diana Ross was. And I think she was even thin in comparison to Twiggy. Now none of you know who Twiggy is and since you don’t, quit commenting on this perfectly wonderful interviewer. He was a gentleman all the way. Those were the times and if you don’t like it, just watch another video.
@freddy8479
@freddy8479 Год назад
As well as "A FATHEAD" THAT HE WAS!!!!
@jackjules7552
@jackjules7552 9 месяцев назад
It's not that serious.
@hoozerob
@hoozerob Год назад
Starting at 4:10 in this video, that was a bad choice of words for Glover to say. Especially when Florence was being, basically harassed by Barry Gordy and others because they viewed her as overweight. As soon as he said it here, she immediately looked a little taken back from it. Then, starting at 4:30, geez! Real nice guy right there. 🤨
@bertoltbrecht
@bertoltbrecht 2 года назад
You can see the jealousy all over Diana’s face towards Florence.
@jackjules7552
@jackjules7552 9 месяцев назад
Why would Diana be jealous of Florence? After all, Diana was the star of the group.
@bertoltbrecht
@bertoltbrecht 9 месяцев назад
@@jackjules7552 when you’re insecure you try to wipe out all the competition and want to take all the spoils for yourself.
@bettyhughes654
@bettyhughes654 7 месяцев назад
@jackjules7552 I totally agree!! I was soo glad to hear him including Flo and Mary!! They were all Stars not just Diana!!!!!!!
@JonteTheArtist
@JonteTheArtist Год назад
The part where Diana said that they have to pay for their hotel and all the other expenses, we always forget that. Of course, they made lots of money but most of it goes towards the expenses and the label. It's a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Limos and the dresses, the whole glam cost so much money. I think what ever is left over, they get to keep. Im getting destiny child vibes from them. Seeing destiny child in their interview, they had their same mannerism.
@maclove1106
@maclove1106 2 года назад
I've never seen this intv b4 I wish there were more like this showing who the #SUPREMES were & where they were from and just how young they were starting out 🎶🎵🎼 👀✔️
@sixtiesfreak4858
@sixtiesfreak4858 Год назад
Makes me wonder what Diana thinks of Toronto now. 😎
@Casanova102986
@Casanova102986 2 года назад
diana look like a whole ET . ET phone home 😂
@CocoaPuff01
@CocoaPuff01 Год назад
I wish I could reach through my screen and snatch that tacky wig off
@nazeeahsameera3894
@nazeeahsameera3894 8 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@greasyflight6609
@greasyflight6609 9 месяцев назад
I was about 5 miles from this Hotel in Toronto...Don Mills...I was two...I remember there music....soundtrack growing up
@robertvelez8485
@robertvelez8485 6 лет назад
Notice when Diana Ross does not speak, she will not look at Mary and Flo and when she talks, it is always I and not we when the idiotic interviewer addresses Diana with a question!
@user-tk5fc5sz9f
@user-tk5fc5sz9f 3 месяца назад
look like they put Dianna close to the interview like she is the public speaker for the group.
@sixtiesfreak4858
@sixtiesfreak4858 11 месяцев назад
Even in 1966 Toronto was changing its skyline.😁
@greasyflight6609
@greasyflight6609 9 месяцев назад
It was a tremendous growth period in Toronto...Cadillac Fairview building non stop...Leafs
@HardCold-Alquan
@HardCold-Alquan Год назад
They still had some of that strong hood in them.
@j.scottofficial
@j.scottofficial Год назад
period lollll
@MoneyComethToshelia
@MoneyComethToshelia 9 месяцев назад
FLO DID...😂 😂
@Realest1ne
@Realest1ne 7 месяцев назад
I wish somebody would remaster this in color
@Jocelyn_Jade
@Jocelyn_Jade 2 года назад
It’s weird how they themselves couldn’t even define “The Motown Sound”
@jaimerote3497
@jaimerote3497 Месяц назад
Flo so beautiful
@Incognito_Icon
@Incognito_Icon Год назад
Hey Flo💗💗💗💗
@ChefFineaswine
@ChefFineaswine 8 месяцев назад
Damn why Diane won’t let them answer some of the questions. Can they get a word in ??
@PatentRob
@PatentRob 3 года назад
8:20, I bet Ms. Ross would regret that.
@patrickboykins-gg4wv
@patrickboykins-gg4wv Год назад
Florence is angel in heaven with jesus christ and Heavily his father
@Jasper7182009
@Jasper7182009 Год назад
What’s with the critical remarks about the interviewer? If you don’t remember the times because you didn’t live them, I certainly remember the times and this man is a gentleman. He was quite respectful to each of them and he drew in Florence and Mary to speak and have their say. And I bet his daughter was thrilled to have a personal picture of the Supremes.
@malcolmmarshall5946
@malcolmmarshall5946 Год назад
Exactly! The youngsters comments are screaming misogynistic, fat shaming white man. I was around back then, and the guy was obviously smitten with Flo and was even flirting with her. Flo was very shapely and had a witty, engaging personality
@SassyBratt1
@SassyBratt1 6 лет назад
Notice how Diana takes over the conversation about MONEY sweet talking about how they get prestige and don't need the cash ..Mary starts mouthing off in an albeit humorous way but behind her cutting edge jibes is real contempt about how they're getting screwed CA$H wise by the 4 way split as she says going Gordy's pocket! ...And Florence gets real squirmy and at 8:39 she looks over her shoulder as if a hitman is about to take a shot at them to shut them up about the Motown cash they're screwing them out of. ROTFLMAO! Ross keeps smoothing it all over like peanut butter but the other 2 or like 'don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!"
@Janster59
@Janster59 2 года назад
did I see Flo kicking Mary under the table?
@SassyBratt1
@SassyBratt1 2 года назад
@@Janster59 the only problem is that with Mary at the time of her life , she would be with Florence in on the same mindset in that moment but in the days to follow would likely let it all slip to Diana who would then stir up shit by going directly to Gordy with the news of any revolt from Florence. Mary later became an allie of Florence when she was dead but when alive and part of the Supremes was duplicitous likely for her own survival reasons.
@Vincent50
@Vincent50 Год назад
@@SassyBratt1 Yes I agree so much of what you said. When Diana left the group Berry Gordy washed his hands regarding supporting them so when Mary told Flo what was happening Mary said Flo told her again that the only one he cared about was Diana. Mary started living what Flo had to live after she was fired from the group. Mary helped Flo as much as she could but said Flo never told her she was losing her house so how is it that it’s rumored Diana tried to save Flo from losing her house? So many different stories. Mary did try to help Flo who was going through inner turmoil when in the group but by the time they had that meeting at Berrys mansion in early 1967 Mary didn’t speak up for Flo only because Diana and Berry met with her first telling her the plans for the group and Flo has to go because she’s drinking too much, missing gigs, etc. Berry told her that he would always take care of her so there you have it. Mary learned from 1970 - 1980 that Berry cared less about her and the ladies who kept the Supremes going then of course after Flo’s death Mary woke up to face reality.
@SassyBratt1
@SassyBratt1 Год назад
@@Vincent50 They should have known that a snake is a snake and never believed a word out of Gordy's mouth about taking care of them. They both wanted to believe it because to face reality would have been too scary for them. Had they just faced that reality from day one that he had no intention of putting their wellbeing on his priority list they both would have been much better off and finding ways early on to milk their fame for all it was worth minus waiting for Berry to save them. Mary did well for herself but Florence likely would have had a better outcome too instead of slow poverty creeping in causing her stress and with a very bad heart condition.
@Vincent50
@Vincent50 Год назад
@@SassyBratt1 Florence knew he was a scammer after he started changing on her. She was wiser than Mary or maybe not but she spoke up more and was losing that trust in him. They were youngsters when they signed to Motown all 16 so they looked to Gordy like father sort of trusting everything he said but as they grew into their 20s they all started to see things differently. Flo told Mary they both weren’t a priority anymore to Gordy as the money started rolling in and he knew Flo’s attitude turned sour with him because she saw through him so he had to get rid of her. They were able to have Mary agree to his plan with the direction he wanted to take the group escalating Diana. With Mary in agreement his plan took place. Flaunting Cindy in front of Flo was the lowest of lows and Gordy knew Flo would break and he can slide Cindy in her spot and lo and behold it all worked out smoothly. Mary’s guilt riddled her for years because she was ordered to train Cindy all while performing with Flo so when she didn’t speak up for Flo at that meeting poor Flo felt defeated because if there was one person who can help stand up for her it was Mary. Since Mary sided with Gordy and Diana Flo was all by herself and seeing her replacement watching her perform. Humiliation at its worst. No wonder Flo’s mental illness became worst. Having been kicked out the group, signing resignation papers saying she can not promote herself as a former Supreme, no mor royalty payments, a crooked lawyer who stole her money, a creep of a husband, no wonder she died so young. Mary advocated for Flo after she died but it was much too late but one thing she did do. She made the world remember Flo from 1976-2021 keeping her uplifted as the sister Supreme. Mary fought a lot in the business but she kept it going until her end. I applaud her with lots of love.
@UFCtrumpsboxing
@UFCtrumpsboxing 6 месяцев назад
the pretties were not allowed to speak, per Gordy's orders
@pensiveczar2239
@pensiveczar2239 7 месяцев назад
I love Florence's speaking voice. It's so firm and direct. It has that serious, old-school tone that you don't hear any more from young women. Florence reminds you that your no-nonsense great-aunt was once young.
@pinkfridaygirIs
@pinkfridaygirIs 11 месяцев назад
A close up photo of The Supremes. Definitely rare. I want that photo !!! Does anybody have it?
@demetripinkins6468
@demetripinkins6468 2 года назад
Oh Florence,...and Mary! Eat yo heart out😩
@doreentanner4862
@doreentanner4862 11 месяцев назад
Flo
@JonteTheArtist
@JonteTheArtist Год назад
Wow... 100 a week. That must had of been considered a lot of money at that time. I think when Diane went solo, she became rich. Things were cheap in those days.
@AlkalineInsides
@AlkalineInsides Год назад
Seven dollars for a dress! I mean amazing
@greasyflight6609
@greasyflight6609 9 месяцев назад
1966
@maclove1106
@maclove1106 2 года назад
Who was the guy doing this Great Interview 🤔?
@nunu5192
@nunu5192 Год назад
This is destiny's child.
@greasyflight6609
@greasyflight6609 9 месяцев назад
Cuba Libre 6:31...Florence Ballard...she was real
@greasyflight6609
@greasyflight6609 9 месяцев назад
Lester Pearson days
@malcolmmarshall5946
@malcolmmarshall5946 Год назад
Do you notice how Florence jokes right back about the comments that she's big and overeats? She had common sense and took it all for the harmless joke that it was. Today's youngsters? My Lord, they'd be screaming and protesting about fat shaming. Grow up America! This new generation is heading backwards, not forward.
@louisguerra5532
@louisguerra5532 Год назад
Where is that picture???
@loveliveshere8849
@loveliveshere8849 8 месяцев назад
Constsntly being compared to one another had to be hard on their relationship. How tiring and abusive that was. 😢👎🏾
@innovativeconsultingllc4962
@innovativeconsultingllc4962 3 года назад
I love Florence and Mary . Diane beehive hairdo👀 I’m sorry I am still not a fan of Diana she laid up with many men including Barry . Push Florence and Mary back . Now look Diana old and alone still no Barry . RIH Florence and Mary . The interviewer was an idiot 😏 Thank you for sharing
@demetripinkins6468
@demetripinkins6468 2 года назад
I agree, isn't it crazy how we can now look back on these interviews, and see the shade as it comes and know who really is the Bitch in 👠. Damn...I wish somebody would of told ol girl about diana before it was too late
@morsewhite708
@morsewhite708 3 года назад
Morse. Go white call a. Song
@gracenurse3365
@gracenurse3365 2 года назад
So, the waiter just brings DIANE a drink?? Foreshadowing.
@skip031890
@skip031890 2 года назад
They all had drinks on the table.
@angiebify
@angiebify 7 месяцев назад
There are other drinks on the table, stop making nothing out of something
@malcolmmarshall5946
@malcolmmarshall5946 Год назад
Oh people, grow up and quit whining! It was a different era, women were judged on their figures back then, but in a joking, good natured way, it was no big deal, nobody screaming about fat shaming, etc. Florence handled it in very mature, sensible manner. Nowadays? There'd be screaming, cursing and lawsuits flying. We can learn something from these older days, when folks had more common sense.
@CocoaPuff01
@CocoaPuff01 Год назад
Diana's wig is tragic
@terrancesings
@terrancesings Год назад
Folks, calm down and stop over analyzing this clip. 😆
@MrMystri
@MrMystri Год назад
Aretha sounded just like these ladies in a 60s interview, I wonder if it was a Detroit thing.
@pawtucketpatriot1956
@pawtucketpatriot1956 4 года назад
This guy is the worst interviewer ever.
@pensiveczar2239
@pensiveczar2239 7 месяцев назад
Diana's wig is all kinds of ridiculous.
@2002mrkellz
@2002mrkellz 7 месяцев назад
Diana lied the temptations were the top group. Gtfoh with that "we're the top group." When my girl dropped, the supremes status dropped too
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