The Switcher You Should Buy! 

Vertex Effects Wow no gigrig after they showed your product🤔. I see how you roll

@@popeye089 one has nothing to do with other. You can like and respect someone immensely and still recommend other manufacturer's products. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

@@VertexEffectsInc where can I get those little zip tie mounts that you use?

Rock's_Not_Dead Should be linked in the description

@@VertexEffectsInc 👍

Doug Floyd glad it’s working well for you! Thanks for watching!

Thank you for watching!

Joseph Rose I too, would love to hear Rig Doctor’s take on all things Gigrig!

Andy Timmons, Kirk Fletcher

He’s never going to give Dan any props since GigRig is the “other” pedalboard guy for all the pros. He already discredited G2 on another comment in this video.

Hi Joseph! I’m fully aware of the product. We were looking at specifically the 5-7 loop switchers here so that would disqualify this switcher by default. I would be cautious about artists leading your way exclusively as validation of what’s “good” or an “appropriate” product for you as a consumer and guitarist. It’s pervasive around the industry for players of a certain profile to be handed free gear and services as a marketing opportunity and not necessarily sought out by that artist. Objectively, I think the G2 would have been one of the more advanced switchers in the market if it were released 8-10 years ago. Compared to it’s similar size switchers, the Mastermind 10 (not covered in this video) or the Mark V MusicomLab (also not covered), the G2 is obsolete. This isn’t a knock on the G2 quality necessarily or Gigrig. This is looking simply at what you get for a similarly priced switcher with an equal (or so) number of loops. I can go through the differences here if needed, but if you do a basic side by side comparison of features, programmability, buffers, stereo options, MIDI options, software organization, it’s on a completely different, and more advanced level. Conversely, some may want something really simple and want to do all their programming on the switcher itself, and for that I can see the appeal of something like the G2.

​@@jondlg Thank you for watching the video and thanks for your patience on this reply - I wanted to answer your question thoughtfully so I wanted to wait until I had some time to write something in more depth and in detail. To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason

The buffers sound good with the fuzz?

I actually really like those as well, I think functionally they’re great! I think some of the newer stuff technologically is more advanced, but I still have a lot of love for the Providence one

Luis Hernandez thanks for watching! I have talked about it a few times above in this group of comments, I’m going to copy and paste the response that I had to a few other individuals, some of the particulars are not specific to your question, but I think it will be easy to identify where it’s pertaining to your question, and where it is not: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

Thank you so much - as always - for watching!

The Carl Martin was one of the best for its day, but I think the ES8 will be a huge upgrade functionality for you! Let us know if you have questions.

@Mark Phillips i just got a used mk3 from reverb.com. i realized that im pretty happy with the way the octa switch functioned. the mk3 is the perfect size for my board! i considered the G2 when i was researching for a new looper. its awesome and andy timmons seem to really love it, but its way out of my price range. Maybe someday.

david hathaway That certainly makes it much more functional

Not a comparable unit to what was mentioned, functionally or technologically. The ES-8, MusicomLab Mark V or Mastermind 10 are much more sophisticated.

I’ll clarify this a little further based on some additional commentary made in another part of this thread. Some of it is a little directed toward the original commentary, but I think you’ll be able to distinguish which is which, and where it applies to your particular question: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

Wait what!??? Uncle Ron’s been holding out on me. Are you programming L only and R only on the S/R to get this per loop?

Vertex Effects ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-exrAUyXYKzc.html Check out this video Ron put up! Turn on the split mono parameter in any one of the three stereo loops. Loop 4 creates a loop 7. Use TRS to dual TS and use tip and ring.

Amazing - love this! Thanks!

Now the three stereo loops makes sense suddenly

Glad I could help!

Zachariah Sanders Anybody that is willing to do it I will accept

chino Mndza I think the man has more than redeemed himself; every single time someone beats that dead horse he responds with remorse for his actions and he has made sure to rectify his mistakes. Give the man a break; it is time for the guitar community to forgive him and offer him grace.

We'll have to re-evaluate after the G3 hits the market!

Em B Thank you very much for watching!

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Not a comparable unit to what was mentioned, functionally or technologically. The ES-8, MusicomLab Mark V or Mastermind 10 are much more sophisticated.

I’ll clarify this a little further based on some additional commentary made in another part of this thread. Some of it is a little directed toward the original commentary, but I think you’ll be able to distinguish which is which, and where it applies to your particular question: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

I have nothing bad to say about them. These are good, were the best ones back in the 2010's, and although there are more contemporary versions with more features, this is still good!

Jonathan R. Zeko so glad you enjoyed! Thank you so much for watching! I hope we earned your subscription

So glad you found it useful! I hope we earned your subscription!

I think it’s corrected in the text, but I may have not caught all of the errors in the dialogue part.

That's what I was thinking (I did say it earlier, but glad someone else also caught it).

Thanks for the sharp eyes gents!

Had the G2 .. easily the best !!

Jack Zawacki I’m going to copy and paste from a another thread in this group of comments that does a better job of explaining my position, some of the information may not be related at all to your question, but I think it will be obvious where those places are: “​To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

cliverkay glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!

Admittedly, I don’t have much experience with this Disaster Area. The OC 10 was a great unit when it came out, however these nearest switchers have surpassed that technology.

@Vertex Effects agreed - I think you did a great job calling out exactly what you were presenting, how, and why. OC10 is huge, no matrix, limited midi. I guess it’s time to look at retiring my GEC-9.

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I’m with ya. I think the ES-8 is undoubtedly the best value switcher out there and has a lot of great options. They’re well built for the money and have an amazing interface and software. I think the big drawback for me is the buffers are not amazing. But the spec on input and output impedance is about the same as the GigRig ones, 1M input, 1K output. I can’t speak to the composition of the buffer difference, but they spec out very similarly.

Yet another reason to get this! When I had gone through it I didn’t notice it on the one I had - was this a later software update or always a part of the system?

Vertex Effects As far as I know, it was always part of the system. It is a lot more feature filled than the Boss ES-5 imo, it feels like a smaller ES-8 due to the stereo paths of loops 5 and 6, along with the volume loop which can be placed anywhere in the chain. Something you didn't mention is the fact that you can use the stereo output as well as the iso out. Of course it's important to note you lose the stereo if you move those loops up front before mono loops, but if you only keep them at the end, it keeps the stereo capability. Because of the dedicated tuner out, you could run a kind of a wet dry wet rig straight out of the EFX-LE, but you probably already knew that 😊

@@purefire9 all the more reason to use this one - I should be reaching out to you when I'm programing my Musicom Rig, hahaha!

For the time it was the best out there, now there are so many more options that just one available at the time. I have nothing bad to say about that switcher, just that it’s a little obsolete compared to what’s available now.

Sweet! Hope you enjoyed!

Thank you so much for watching! I hopefully earn your subscription!

@@VertexEffectsInc Yep! That happened this very video. :-) Any advice for a board with lots of TRS Midi? My rig just barely fits on a Pedaltrain 2 and so I've been using a Disaster Area QConnect to control four pedals (Chase Bliss Condor and Thermae, Meris Enzo, Empress Zoia). I love the small footprint and ease of use, but I'm ready to upgrade to a loop switcher. (perhaps one that plays nice with the QConnect). Only problem is: then my board's too big (and I fly with it in a Pelican case, for better or worse). Any suggestions on how to get that loop switching functionality but a really small footprint?

The RJM is the smallest and you don’t need to use loops to occupy your midi controlled devices. You switcher can make the changes for you in parameters, so why not reserve your loops for pedals that don’t have MIDI and put you MIDI pedals outside the switcher but control them through the switchers MIDI programming. See Rhett Shull’s Rig as an example of how I did this.

@@VertexEffectsInc Very cool idea. One of the pedals is an Empress ZOIA though, which is kind of an "everything box" in the way some folks use an H9. It's usually good later in the chain anyway, but it'd be nice to have it change preset *and* placement in the signal chain. (Maybe that one goes in a stereo loop, then!). Much to consider... thanks for the replies.

Rob Flax yea, if order is critical then having it in a loop will be the only way to change the order.

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Amazing!!! He’s the best! I’m seeing uncle Z in a few days!

I’m still working with the graphic designer, I will keep you posted. Thanks as always for watching!

@@VertexEffectsInc cool!

Greg Steffey I’ll have to check it out

Glad it was helpful!

Start with sound treatment. Catch the echoes first. 🔊🙉🕪

Left my other lav in LA. This one was on the fritz. I’ll have it back by next time. Typically the vox is ok - or so I think. Let me know.

There are no ground loops created that way. The most common issue with switchers and grounding is when they have two outputs without an isolation transformer.

Spherical guy is correct. This comes into play when you have multiple grounds in day your amp connections to AC when running a multi amp setup. It’s not like a power supply or something like that.

TJ@JM, I spoke about this a little further based on some additional commentary made in another part of this thread. Some of it is directed toward the original commentary, but I think you’ll be able to distinguish which is to your questions and what is not: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

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Good catch, I updated it in the text, but I might’ve missed part of the dialogue where I stated that. I thought I took it out where I said the volume pedal loops was available.

@@VertexEffectsInc Was it edited with the RU-vid editor, or with a editing software like Final Cut? 🤔👍

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Andrew Whitfield We talked about it in a few comments down, and I agree it’s all the more reason to get this switcher! Thanks for watching!

@@VertexEffectsInc All good. Sorry, didn't look that far down. All the best 😊

Glenn Winburn honestly, I have never run into issues when using devices which outputs 1K to drive long cables.

Glenn I don’t recommend anything with an output impedance if 150 ohms. 1K is unstable and will become more unstable depending on how much capacitance is seen on the output. This means higher capacitance cable or long cables will be exponentially worse for every additional foot. I can explain deeper if needed on why 1K is unadvisable.

Most of them have 2-3 stereo loops, this is no issue.

If you do a true A/B reference (almost nobody does this that is making claims on how good or neutral their buffer is) - you’ll find that 1K is pretty colored (you may like this sound however), and will be different than you guitar plugged into your amp with a short cable. The buffer on the ES8 or ES5 isn’t that different from many of the Boss pedals. Set it up with a bypass looper and you’ll see how much it really changes so you can better calibrate the shift in tone. You will also notice a few dB drop with the Boss buffers typically and the noise floor increase (may be less audible through a clean amp).

If I said that, I miss spoke, it does not have a dedicated volume like only the larger version, the ES8

aren't you the coolest adult at the preschool.

It is odd that Mason seems unaware of the gigrig, maybe he sees them as competition and pretends they don't exist. We all know that the g2 is the daddy really

It is not comparable to the units that we’re talking about. It’s obsolete compared to the units made by the manufacturers I mentioned above and I believe also more expensive than even the comparable switchers by these same manufacturers with equal numbers of loops.

Notice the video title? This is for a FIRST switcher, genius. A gig rig is $1000+.

@@VertexEffectsInc Obsolete in what way? Because you don't program it via computer/iPad-based software?

Yea buddy!!!!

Certainly more switchers have released, but most of them of consequence I haven't seen make their way to the USA yet, things like the G3 for example.

I think their stereo buffer is a little bit lower, like 100 ohms, but double check that. I still prefer the Mesa Boogie.

I have the same question actually, I have noticed multiple times, that Dr. Mason successfully ignores GigRig products 🤷‍♂

angelomelitc We were having this conversation a little further down the thread of comments, I’m going to copy and paste what I wrote there. Some of it is not applicable to this conversation, but should give you a little better understanding of why the G2 is not included: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

Glad you like them! Hope we earned you subscription!

Should be OK, depends on the bass amp you're using.

Intended to include that, it’s an Ampeg PF-20T, I tried to find a spec but it’s not listed and the schematic doesn’t offer much. Thank you so much for the response!

What else has released subsequently?

@@VertexEffectsInc there’s the new G3 set ups from Gigrig

@@ghostofborsalino2752 It's not here in the USA yet...once it's here we can re-evaluate with the new products out now.

If you wanting to try a third buffer, you'd want it after the last pedal in the effects loop, going back to the return going back to the effects loop. If your effects loop is buffered, your send will likely be already low impedance so having a buffer up front won't do much good, and you'll also likely have a pedal on as soon as you leave the send from your effects loop.

They’re great!

Darin, I'm aware of the product. I spoke about this a little further based on some additional commentary made in another part of this thread. Some of it is directed toward the original commentary, but I think you’ll be able to distinguish which is to your questions and what is not: “To reiterate what I've said in other videos, many people love the G2, and love Daniel and his products. That's great! I'm grateful to Daniel for making the industry a better place than he found it (and continues to do so), and for creating enriching content for guitarists. He's an asset to the community undoubtedly. Now to your comment, I would like to clarify that I do not manufacture, nor sell pedalboards, pedalboard products, or accessories - including switchers. I manufacture guitar pedals, i.e. Vertex Effects, and this is an enrichment component that we're focusing on this year for our RU-vid content. None of my product recommendations are underwritten by anything that I sell or stand to gain from financially. Secondly, I don’t make a living building pedalboards (however I did from approx. 2007-2015). Any work you see here is done for the explicit purpose of teaching and educating on RU-vid and the number of pedalboard projects I take on is directly in relationship to what I want to teach about for any particular month. We have an application process prospective "exemplars" that want to have their rig be the representative model for the channel, and typically only choose 1-2 of these individuals each month depending on time and scheduling. I'm not attempting to compete with anyone, and, in fact, I refer out to other pedalboard builders almost daily the majority of inquiries we get. All this is to say, I have no proverbial "dog in the fight" or predisposition to sell a product or switcher or withhold "props" from anyone. If I'm asked a question, I'll do my best to objectively make a recommendation. I will recommend what I believe to be the best product(s) for any particular pedalboard build given the circumstance. For this reason, you will see a variety of brands of switchers and products used on my channel from RJM, to Boss, to MusicomLab, etc. I also want to make clear that there is a distinction between not recommending something, compared to "discrediting" it as you've said. I can not recommend something and it can still be a fine product. I caution folks from making fallacious statements like this which presume malicious intent, or draw correlations that aren't there. Objectively, RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV offer more than the G2 for a comparable price with a similar number of loops. Not only in terms of the software, options for programing, organization menu, but overall features - I'm not really sure that's debatable. But, also, (more subjectively I suppose), these aforementioned units also have more neutral buffers (my opinion), better parts (subjective), better relays (subjective), better jacks (subjective), and switches (subjective). I'd also say, and again subjectively, that the ability to update via USB (MusicomLab, RJM, Boss) instead of having to replace the chip "brain'" of the system (G2) is a huge plus. Again, quantifying "better" is hard, especially since certain parts and buffers can be of a sound the manufacturer is going for - so sometimes choices for something that doesn't spec out as well can be deliberate. Bottom line is, I have massive respect for Daniel. He's an asset to RU-vid, and the guitar community. He's galvanized a generation of guitar players in a way that no one else has and I give him mega props for what he's accomplished. I can still like Daniel, respect him, and his work, and at the same time not recommend a product that he makes over one of his competitors. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Respectfully, Mason”

​@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for your extremely thoughtful reply, Mason. Please understand that I, in no way, meant to suggest that you were discrediting the G2. I was merely surprised you didn't mention it in the video. After reading your response, I get it. What I'd like to know, if you'd be willing to explain in greater detail, is what exact advantages you see the RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV have over the G2. I realize that the RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV and even the BOSS ES8 have screens on them to allow for easy identification of what preset you're on and that some have better software editors, but I was under the impression that the G2 took less programming to save presets (especially when MIDI pedals are in use) and was very simple to use to re-order loops. I'm in the process of putting together a new board and intend to use a Schmidt Array along with a switcher. I have already used the GigRig power system on another board and love its modular design. I was fairly set on the G2 but now am rethinking my choice after reading what you had to say. If I were to e-mail you and reference this video, would you be willing to educate me a bit more on the upsides you see in the RJM Mastermind 10 and Musicom Lab MKV? I'd be very grateful. If so, what is the best way to get in touch with you directly? EDIT: In case you wish you have this discussion here for the benefit of others, let me tell you a bit about what my goals are. I'm definitely going to need a 10 loop switcher. In fact, there's a possibility I might need more loops and I know that the G2 can allow for more than 10 loops by incorporating the GigRig Remote Loopy into the setup. As for amps. Ideally I'd like to go with a Wet/Dry rig using two amps, but have the option of going mono if a given gig won't allow for two amps on stage. Thanks again!

Darin Ames send us an email, I’mplanning you a follow up video with the large versions of the switchers. But until then I’m happy to talk to you off-line

Wolfjay good call! That would be a fun build!

Adam, glad you dig it. I don't see the Switchblade around much, hence I didn't speak about it. I don't know if they only sell direct or if they are around at dealers, I don't see them often.

Brought my thesaurus that day.

@@VertexEffectsInc you have a dinosaur that knows good words? 🤔😊

@@markhcollen Gooder words!

Is he still using it? It was cool for the time, but pretty primitive and large compared to today’s options. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad unit, just functionally obsolete compare what’s out there in 2019.

I put an extension cable on the lav, and it was dead on arrival from Guitar Center. So had to use the backup audio source. Sorry!

Answered in another comment you made :)

@@VertexEffectsInc thank you very very very much!!!!

Glad you like them!

angus potter-irwin Good call!

My pleasure

Not really sure how to compare them other than verbally.

Better than nothing but not ideal for this.

No mono or stereo will work

Will do! Working on it now!

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks man!

@@VertexEffectsInc yeah!! And which cable connectors do you use in the switcher send/returns, also.

It’s decent for a pedal, but not equal to some of the stand alone buffers I mentioned. If you were in a tight squeeze something like a Bonafide Buffer in the TC tuner first and a Strymon last would be workable for a mono system - if you started to get into stereo or multiple split amps, it could become tricky.

Switchers will help consolidate the signal path, and in most cases also reduce noise and loss from poor bypass switches and poor buffering - presuming you're using high quality input and output buffers in your system. It will really depend on your pedals and the quality of the bypass and the quality of the buffer. Most pedal buffers are poor, so the TB switcher or MIDI switcher usually improves noise and tone overall as a result. Unfortunately, there's not silver bullet on this one.

Most switcher have wiring contingencies for 4CM. You can see in their manuals. Often it requires sacrificing one loop.

That would be cool when you would test it 😊

Haven’t compared

You typically have to sacrifice a loop for the 4 Cable Method, but you can still make it work with a switcher. If the pedals in the loop are MIDI capable, you don't need to do this at all and can do all the changes via MIDI.

it can do both of those things, either/or

Ideally as close to 0 as possible but anything below 150 ohms is going to be almost unintelligible.

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks man! You're the best!

You’re taking about the Mastermind 10, not the PBC6X. What I said was straight from Ron, not sure if or how this differs on the Mastermind 10 loop version, but he was very clear on the input buffer on this unit I spoke of here.

@@VertexEffectsInc defo the 6x. you can switch in and out the buffer. you cant move its position though. and its now 11 loops in mono.

Jon Hollis You can switch positions of the output buffer based on where the insert is, however I think input buffer is stationary.

Jon Hollis In other words, my understanding from Ron, is that the output buffer is attached to the insert point, or you may not necessarily call it in I’ll put buffer depending on where you place that insert in relationship to the other pedals in the other five loops.

@@VertexEffectsInc its the input buffer im talking about. you said it would be a problem with fuzz pedals. it isnt as you can switch that in and out on a preset basis. so i have an action set so that if i ever hit a loop with the fuzz in it it switches the input buffer off. the buffer on the insert is just because it is a buffered insert loop. and i doubt you would put the insert before a fuzz anyhow. but who knows! anyhow - you know what youre talking about. i use it on a daily basis and this is how i use it. its an amzaing piece of kit. as you say the editor software is so good.

You need a dual buffer no matter what’s on the board. I’d you use a fuzz, just put it before the buffer, nothing else should change in terms of the buffer. Mesa Boogie Highwire would be ideal.

@@VertexEffectsInc thank you for your reply!!! maybe my English is not the best but my question was about switchers no buffers. Anyway thank you!

Scott Boswell let me know if I can help. They have some decent videos on RU-vid!

A Stranger in a Strange Land reference, don't think I didn't notice. Very nice!

Luke Curnow I am aware of them. We talk about them in a few comments below comparatively to the switchers mentioned in the video.

Ordinarily you’d have the volume send as the output to the front of the amp and the fx send to the volume loop return and the main out (or iso out) as your output to the fx return. You’d probably want to put an output buffer to your output going to the front of amp in this scenario.

If it's the newest effects gizmo I think you have 3 stereo loops that can be separated to two mono loop via insert cable.

They're both great! I own both!

Haven't tested it yet.

Eddie Trucco yes! And this is what I’ve done in the past or with the pedalboard in the thumbnail for example.

The Boss is the easiest to use - if you’re struggling, happy to point you in the right direction

@@VertexEffectsInc One person's easy is another's "run to the hills, screaming". I think the DA might suit me. Thanks.

@@VertexEffectsInc The DA gear is really affordable here in Australia, unlike the others (especially RJM, I just looked at the prices!!) Even the Voodoo Laab switchers are $200-300 more expensive than a DPC-8EZ gen 3. We get gouged something terrible in this country.

If you have the ES8 I think you have a good piece already. I don’t think you’ll find it much easier than Boss.

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks. Idk, maybe complex switchers aren't for me. All I need are a few prests and a very simple MIDI setup. The ES-8 takes up so much space on my board. I took to the DMC-3XL really quickly, and I *hate* MIDI, whereas the ES-8 sat in a drawer for a year. Thanks for your advice and comments.