Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series Director Rick Schwallie discusses tire testing in dirt late model racing and the suspensions of Bobby Pierce and Devin Moran.
Seems like the HTF guys were a lot faster when they had a dedicated tire guy (early on when I started watching). Never failed a tire test that I noticed. Was maybe something going on there?? Who knows. But as long as there is racing someone will find a way to bend the rules to their advantage. Please don’t let dirt late model racing become NASCARish.
The guy that owns or runs eastbay said it was something they treat the track with that caused them to fail those tests. They need to understand and figure out a way to figure out if that’s what it is or if it’s tire doping. Track conditioner is what it’s called.
@@Bamapride1000 I agree but the track conditioner that Eastbay guy said couldn't be true otherwise other tracks would have a problem to if conditioner is applied. That's just my opinion
I’ve always thought that they should take the field to the front stretch, and sipe the A/B samples during driver introductions. Sample the entire field, but only send 3-5 at random. Hold the rest of the samples for 2years and if anyone pops for chemical altering in the future test all their previous samples.
Scan out 10 tires using a specific upc code on each tire to each team two hours prior to hot laps. All tires must stay fully visible in front of each car in the pits at all times and immediately scanned back in to a tire discard trailer after the race or the team is DQ'd from the event. If a tire(s) are found not to be in clear sight at all times in the pits, a $5,000 fine per tire will be levied and those tires confiscated and replaced by series officials at full cost to the team involved. These tires are exclusive to the series only, not available anywhere but at the track for that series and cannot leave the track after the event has concluded.
MY IDEA! I already developed a system/ service and Application to do this! A upc code is junk. This system uses your phone to scan the tire from feet away. It tracks the tire from date and time of MFG allowing the tire to matched to a true baseline sample from that date. I even commented on one of these HTF videos about it. Written to Hoosier and series directors/ owners too. Publicly mentioned it nearly 4 years ago. It tracks the tire from MFG through distributors and retailers to the actual team with encryption. Hoosier is the I only one with write access. Series has read access to this specific data. It allows series to register a tire to a specific team for tracks and series that limit tire sets or sequester tires. It replaces chalk. Any track or series officials with proper credentials can read this information from any phone simply by waving the phone over the tire. It also allows teams to record data that only they can read (read/write access) so they can record tire size, temps, number of races, etc. they can then just scan tires quickly to check sizes,etc. it also allows them to insert tires automatically into participating set up apps. We’ve been developing one of those as well long before WM. It also allows streaming services to check tire compounds on the grid if said employees have the proper credentials just by walking past the car with a phone. (Read only access). This will cost less then 10 cents per tire. Tire samples collected will go into a seal container using the same technology. This associates said sample with the team/driver and track collected throughout the process. Those samples will be held by a third part custodian. Along with a sample of the race track surface. The custodian will submit the samples to the appropriate labs. This way alternative labs can be used throughout the process. The tire will then be compared to a base line sample directly collected on the same date of mfg. Thanks to our database! Which tracks everything! The lab results will also be recorded to our data base. If any other tires from that date of MFG fail the system will flag this. We can also check to see where else or whom else has these tires. If s genuine problem is found with a batch for any reason owners will receive a notification.
@@54raceman who the heck runs a national tour and can't afford to buy new tires for every race? That is the teams that need to race at their weekly track and save enough money to buy a couple of new sets of tires when they race once with a national tour.
@@ChrisS-oo6fl sounds like a good tracking system they can use. Whatever they choose to use, it needs to be for tires exclusively made for the specific series and tracked from the factory to the series event, to the team, on the car and back to the shredder for disposal immediately after the race, having a virtual chain of command for all to see and there Is no tire testing needed.
Give the low budget teams the tire dope. Would make the local and regional guys more competitive. As much as I love Davenport Sheppard Thornton jr and Hudson O’Neal. I want the local guy to have a chance every once in awhile and make it more interesting.
I think if one lab has a positive test for juice. then that same tire sample(s) should go get tested at another lab..... That should be your A and B sample test(s). You can not have the same lab test both A and B samples. What are they going to say? we were wrong on one? not
When samples are taken why not take the multiple samples and send the one in if it fails send the second to a different lab if it fails then they are guilty. Two fails = GUILTY. If first test fails the driver/ team pays for both tests.
rick you brush it under the rug. call the ones out that were caught at eastbay. you wont because you don't want to lose cars. just brush it under the rug AGAIN
Rules are rules boys. If you have to cheat to be good/fast. You must be an average driver, basic talent. Plus it tarnishes their career & hurts the sport.
You guys will let them spend 60,000.00 on engines and have 2 to 3 of them at any given moment. Nowhere nears what the smaller teams can afford. But you wont let them spend 5,000.00 on tire juice that the smaller teams can afford. And you have 3-4 late model series spending 30-50 thousand on tire testing. Just make it legal already. And what keeps a guy from getting someone elses juiced up tires that they traded in to hoosier for another tire ? How is juicing any more serious then a guy using an illegal tire ? A tire rule is a tire rule !!!
@@TheBrookian Yes tires have to be mounted, soaking isn't a litteral term, they don't submerge them in prep, it's applied to the outside by wiping or spraying, and added to the inside and the tire rolled for 24 hours.
My service/ application will help track the tire between owners. This cannot prove that they personally doped the tire but it does associated their ownership permanently to that tire. Just another deterrent. This application/service has many other benefits for series, tracks, teams and streaming services, this is just a beneficial byproduct.
Asphalt tracks all over make guys race on tires that are mounted at the track. Do that and move past this nonsense. And it is like a presidential election, people are going to gripe and whine and complain about how they were cheated regardless of the proof.
This tire garbage is a black eye. This crap can be ended in a heartbeat. All tires will be purchased At the track. Teams must bring your wheels and tires are purchased at the track. It can be done and should be done. As a fan I am tired of the he said she said. FIX IT or SHUT UP.
