The Tank the Tiger Feared, the Sherman Firefly | Forged for Battle

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Today we look at the Sherman Firefly which converted the Sherman from a 75mm gun to the powerful 17-pounder. Despite what the memes may make it out to be this was a thought out design which resulted in a vehicle which could go head to head with just about anything the Germans threw at it. This tank had so much success in its role that it actively needed to disguise itself as a standard Sherman to keep from being targeted, not something you can say about many other vehicles.
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Timestamps
0:00 - 1:30 Intro
1:30 - 2:12 New Merch!
2:12 - 3:46 The Tank
3:46 - 4:55 The Gun
4:55 - 6:47 The Name
6:47 - 14:50 The Design
14:50 - 19:42 Production and Combat
19:42 - 21:01 Who used Fireflys
21:01 - 22:38 Italian Fireflys
22:38 - 23:47 Outro
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@ConeOfArc 10 месяцев назад

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@thesnazzycomet 10 месяцев назад

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@osmacar5331 10 месяцев назад

it's a 17 ouncer not pounder cone, stop flattering yourself XD

@Scorpio-dd4pt 10 месяцев назад

My dad recently published a book about the Sentinel that also goes over, in detail, the recoil fix the aussies developed for the 17 pounder, would make another great addition to your information sources as his book takes most if not all the scattered information regarding the sentinel and puts it into one neat package. The book is called "The Australian Cruiser Tank" by Jason Belgrave

@Hyp3rL1nk 10 месяцев назад

I can't believe you actually did it!! This is awesome!

@VikingTeddy 10 месяцев назад

Digging the intro 👍

@dennisswaim8210 10 месяцев назад

Was unaware that the Australians had managed to get a 17 pounder into a Sentinel before Canada and Britain did it in the Sherman. Impressive.

@katherinespezia4609 10 месяцев назад

The Sentinel going from a comically small gun to a comically large gun is very funny to me.

@PoisoningShadow671 10 месяцев назад

Tfw they stuck dual 25 pounders into a sentinel beforehand to simulate the recoil of the 17 pounder.

@RedXlV 10 месяцев назад

@@PoisoningShadow671 Yeah, it's pretty hilarious that that's the reason for the double-barrel 25-pdr. BUt really, it makes perfect sense. The Aussies were designing a 17-pdr upgrade to the Sentinel well before they actually *had* any 17-pdrs delivered to them, so double 25-pdrs was easily the best way to test how it'd handle the recoil. It's kind of too bad that the Sentinels never got used outside of training, because they were clearly a better tank than they had any business being coming from a nation that had never made a tank before. In no way a perfect design, but how many other tank designers could accomplish so much with so little?

@cameronnewton7053 10 месяцев назад

Give an Australian enough, time, rum, and fencing wire and he'll accomplish just about anything.

@arnijulian6241 10 месяцев назад

AC IV 17-pdr Armed Sentinel Cruiser Tank. Their is 1 prototype that never saw combat though an interesting odd achievement by the Aussies few know about. Austrian AC3 Thunderbolt saw one production with roughly 150 of 200 orders cancelled in 1943 though why seems more like internal military Bureaucracy Austrian AC3 Thunderbolt didn't see combat though they tried to get it in combat AC IB of the sentinel had a QF 6-pounder gun more then ample to take on anything the Japanese had in the pacific, south east Asia & Oceania. AC IB housed a British QF 25 pounder gun & a few did see combat unlike the two types of 17pounder sentinels that had various complications. It is impressive mind that Australia comparable tank to the USA mind it did house 3 USA Cadillac V8 engines as Australia didn't have any real automotive industry today or let alone back in ww2. Australia frankly built a superior tank to anything Italy & japan had yet is considered a minor power in ww2 unlike the 2 mentioned Axis nations. Mind Australia only built some 65 tanks as how many tanks do you need being such an isolated continent? Australia had to prioritise naval construction & aircraft over tanks.

@BHuang92 10 месяцев назад

Soldier: Sir! The gun won't fit! Churchill: Put it sideways! Soldier: The radio won't fit! Churchill: Cut a hole and have it stick out the back! Soldier: The engine's not good! CHADhill: *GET 5 CAR ENGINES AND PUT IT TOGETHER!*

@skoshi_tempest 10 месяцев назад

I love that meme

@Kenshi_2900 10 месяцев назад

Haha same

@apersondoingthings5689 10 месяцев назад

Love potential history

@kv_of_the_ground4453 10 месяцев назад

Interestingly not very accurate, at least for Instance the 5 engines was an American idea but rarely used by them, the gun technically was not in sideways but close, the most accurate part is the radio being put in a box on the outside of the turret. But never less. It is still a funny meme.

@alpacaofthemountain8760 10 месяцев назад

Eh he wasn’t a chad

@dronn_ 10 месяцев назад

Even from your thumbnail, the brits did pretty damn well on making the firefly look equipped with the short barrel.

@ConeOfArc 10 месяцев назад

It is impressive how a small amount of paint can work so well for camo

@cringe_lord5762 10 месяцев назад

I mean back in the day camera and infrared aren't as effective as today but yeah, it's pretty impressive

@koppythewarcriminal 10 месяцев назад

@@cringe_lord5762What do you mean Infra red?

@TakenWithout 10 месяцев назад

@@cringe_lord5762while Infra red camera technology was experimented with it never reached tanks so what are you going on about???

@kyledavidgalan9908 10 месяцев назад

@@TakenWithoutsome panthers had infared scopes but they had problem low range making it not that good.

@M26E4SuperPershing 10 месяцев назад

The firefly is also depicted in Enlisted and is very fun to sit back and snipe every german tank from far away

@ZeroShadowX 10 месяцев назад

Hello fellow enlisted player☺️

@FirstDagger 10 месяцев назад

Because Enlisted uses War Thunder as an asset base and vice versa.

@M26E4SuperPershing 10 месяцев назад

@@FirstDagger i already know that

@takumirocks2041 10 месяцев назад

I'd play Enlisted but my computer is too much of a potato to handle it without going at like two frames per second

@applepie1911e 9 месяцев назад

It's not that good in enlisted against tigers or panthers

@RJEvans44 10 месяцев назад

I was fortunate enough to meet some Canadian WW2 tankers. Flashback is how she earned her nickname.

@airplanemaniacgaming7877 3 месяца назад

Don't mess with Canadian troops, that's something Germany certainly came to learn in both world wars....

@Macrochenia 10 месяцев назад

A major but often overlooked factor in why the US never adopted the Firefly during the war was simply because they didn't want the complications to supply lines that would have been caused by the ammo- they'd either have to rely on the UK for Firefly ammo or take the time to retool an existing factory to produce it. The decision was made that the American 76 mm guns that were starting to be put onto Shermans were, while not quite as good as the 17 pounder, still sufficient.

@ConeOfArc 10 месяцев назад

There were certainly legitimate reasons why the US didn't adopt the gun but at the same time much of it was likely due to national pride. The US wanted to use their own guns in their own tanks.

@bluntcabbage6042 10 месяцев назад

@@ConeOfArc I'd say the abundance of practical limitations are the bigger reason than national pride. The American 76 fit better in the Sherman's redesigned turret (far fewer ergonomics issues + maintains the stabilizer), 76s were already being made, ammo already in stockpiles, and no need to heft enormous 17pdr shells inside a tank not designed to carry such a huge gun.

@harmdallmeyer6449 10 месяцев назад

@@ConeOfArcI think I have to disagree. In Addition to the other reasons mentioned, why would the Americans suddenly be too proud to use a British gun, when they had done exactly that prior with the 57mm M1.

@nukclear2741 10 месяцев назад

On the contrary, tests had found that the 76mm did better than the 17 pounder for one major reason, long range accuracy. The 17 pounders best AP ammunition was the Sabot round, which at this time was wildly inaccurate after 500 yards.

@nukclear2741 10 месяцев назад

@@ConeOfArcthat's actually more a myth than anything. The Chieftain covered it in his myths on the Sherman video.

@Yanto_sangat_ireng 10 месяцев назад

Why did your Thumbnail sometimes look like something from Paleoartist or Speculative evolution

@user-op8fg3ny3j 10 месяцев назад

What does that mean?

@stephennelson9212 10 месяцев назад

@@user-op8fg3ny3jDinosaur drawing

@lscf 10 месяцев назад

Speculative tank evolution needs to be a new topic

@silentdrew7636 10 месяцев назад

@@lscfisn't that just scifi tanks?

@snoweex 10 месяцев назад

Can confirm it looks like a paleoart

@crazyadam9281 10 месяцев назад

If you ever feel useless just remember the Italian Firefly has a 5th crewman.

@TakenWithout 10 месяцев назад

Was there room for him????

@Deuce_and_a_half 10 месяцев назад

In War Thunder at least it's slightly helpful to have him to replace a useful crewmember and keep you in the fight longer. As for real life I'd assume the driver is happy to have an assistant when his arms get tired.

@Omniknightish 10 месяцев назад

But who would take care of the radio and the map if he wasn't there.

@TakenWithout 10 месяцев назад

@@Omniknightish the commander would - the British Army tended to place the radio with the commander in the turret

@nyccoyax3831 10 месяцев назад

Someone has to prepare all the pasta, right?

@BobandBear1 10 месяцев назад

My dad was a tank driver during the war. He trained on the CDL tanks with the 49th RTR at Lowther Castle. He was transferred to the 4/7th RDG just after Arnhem, driving Fireflies. He said the Multibank was an OK engine, but they had to crank it about 100 times to get the oil round when first starting if l remember correctly?. The 17pdr made a helluva bang when fired.... like the Crack Of Doom, someone once said ! I. He could attest to that, as he had severely damaged hearing in his right ear for the rest of his life after his time in Fireflies. The 4/7th did have great success with the 17pdr when Sgt Harris and his gunner Tpr Mckillop knocked out 5 Panther's in quick succession during the battle at Lingevres during the Normandy campaign. The Firefly is much maligned in some quarter's, but it was basically only ever a stop gap measure, that came along at just the right time, that is, when it really counted. It was a very potent weapon mounted on the tried and tested Sherman and proved to be very effective against the heavy German armour right to the end of the war.

@Rik_7274 10 месяцев назад

It's crazy to think all the redesign was done on paper with a pencil, a ruler and not much else. No CAD, no renders, no anything. Amazing!

@danielspoon1234 10 месяцев назад

Like how most things where and still are built

@arnijulian6241 10 месяцев назад

@@danielspoon1234 You said it for as an Engineer till my failed health I use draughtmen board & not CAD. You only use CAD to impress the lament, investors or hand out copies to those that pencil marks confuse on the work floor. Most great designs were 1st scribbled out roughly on the back of cigarette packet, bog roll or similar for when an idea comes best to get it on paper handy unless your like myself with good mental retention that can render objects in my minds eye just like my father that is an engineer-former royal marine engineer. Engineers number less then 15 million globally & they keep everything operating. We have a massive shortage of personal & most of us have retired or quiet as engineers are over worked with no pay to reflect nor unwanted thanks for our efforts. My father sees o reason to work living of his patents & myself I can make anything I want as I'm not having a diversity hire or lefty ponce claim my works as theirs. Few to no indentions or works were a team effort but 1 mind & those that say other wise are full of cobblers looking for stealing the laurels of another!

@danielspoon1234 10 месяцев назад

Im 26 I build retaining walls I'm currently working on building my second timber boat It's all in my head, I like 3d software but I have no experience using it I usually just scribble down frame and hull designs and shapes and make them up in my head as I produce it I don't want to sound condescending with my initial comment but this new world is only new and people have been making things appear out of there heads since before the cave paintings where around I'm sure of it

@danielspoon1234 10 месяцев назад

Some them old tanks where just plates that layed together then got welded very simple yet very well thought out wish I knew more carpentry and joinery as that's where I struggle building my boats, we don't make joins in masonry so I gotta think a bit lok

@jollyjohnthepirate3168 10 месяцев назад

The SR 71 was designed using slide rules and pencils.

@skybuprofen9834 10 месяцев назад

Even the Abrams gets flarebacks with a dirty breech. They're almost impossible to entirely remove as an issue.

@Crendermin 10 месяцев назад

Is there no evidence of the Firefly getting it's name from the Flashback caused by the gun? I feel like that's a more plausible reason for it, because the cabin would effectively fill with little embers as the powder burns off in the air.

@xbluedragon97x62 10 месяцев назад

First thing I thought when the flashback was mentioned. Definitely seems the more fitting reason the crew would refer to it as a firefly

@Electronick7714 10 месяцев назад

Oooh I like that hypothesis

@jamesTBurke 8 месяцев назад

False. The flashback is the reason. Someone else mentioned it in the comments. And they were told by tankers that operated it

@SpreadEagled 9 месяцев назад

The 1977 war movie, “A Bridge Too Far” has many Sherman Fireflies in action. It’s the largest gathering of Fireflies in one movie! Many of them were revived to operational status from museums!

@brennanleadbetter9708 9 месяцев назад

Great movie

@cesarvidelac 10 месяцев назад

I am chilean, it's interesting you mentioned our variant. It was modernized and used until the inception of the leopard, really a long useful life. Good video 👍

@zembagaming7841 10 месяцев назад

south american snake

@zerocool5395 10 месяцев назад

Viva Chile CTM!!! 🇨🇱

@skipdreadman8765 10 месяцев назад

For a non-tanker, you dismiss gun depression pretty blithely. As a former Abrams commander, one of the greatest strengths of that tank is the ability to work a reverse slope, or even small depression in the ground, using berm drills.

@ConeOfArc 10 месяцев назад

It's certainly an advantage but it's a very over exaggerated feature of vehicles in my opinion. This seems to stem from gaming where good depression makes a vehicle better on Ridgelines or hulldown positions. Obviously this does translate to the real world as well but not to the same extent as the closer ranges of video game tank engagements

@g8ymw 5 месяцев назад

@@ConeOfArc I heard somewhere that Israeli Centurions used that feature in the 6 day war

@airplanemaniacgaming7877 3 месяца назад

@@g8ymwFrom the terrifying 17-pounder, to the likes of the 20-pounder, to the L7A1, Centurion go Brrrrrr.

@user-fz9dq3uy3l 9 месяцев назад

one of my fathers friends was a Canadian Tanker and fought in Italy. his name was Elwood Martin, his son was my chemistry teacher in HS. he rarely ever spoke about what happened to him during the war.

@arniewilliamson1767 10 месяцев назад

My grandmother worked on the Sherman’s in Oshawa Canada. In the latter half of the war, Fireflies were produced right at the factory.

@philspinella5983 10 месяцев назад

thank you and all of your associates for keeping history alive

@rogueleader7506 10 месяцев назад

Fun fact, the first King Tiger to be taken out by a tank is credited to a Firefly.

@wanderschlosser1857 9 месяцев назад

And the first Firefly was likely taken out by a PzIV. Besides having a certainly great gun the Firefly was vulnerable to pretty much every German tank from quite a long range.

@rogueleader7506 9 месяцев назад

@wanderschlosser1857 Actually, firefly losses were relatively low since they were deployed almost like tank destroyers. Also its more impressive when a relatively smaller tank is able to destroy a much bigger, overhyped, tank.

@airplanemaniacgaming7877 3 месяца назад

@@wanderschlosser1857Why does your name just scream "I think German tanks are the best-est-est of all time" to me?

@wanderschlosser1857 3 месяца назад

@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 Don't know, probably because you interpret this into it? I didn't write anything like it. I just wanted to point out that Firefly's are commonly described as Tiger-killing super tanks completely ignoring that they still were Shermans after all. It was a stop gap to make the very capable 17 pounder mobile until a new designed tank was available. The Achilles was a similar attempt and it took until the Comet that the gun got a suitable carriage. Nonetheless was the Firefly a very dangerous opponent when correctly deployed as Wittmann and many others found out.

@WaukWarrior360 2 месяца назад

@@wanderschlosser1857The Sherman was not vulnerable to "pretty much every German tank from qUiTe a lOnG rAnGe" you fuckin werhraboo loser.

@Crazyman23 10 месяцев назад

I love how they guy who designed it was named killmore (defenitly spelled differently probably kilmoar) and the design in fact helped it kill more

@tommytbone9778 6 дней назад

that`s just crazy man but I found it on my ship

@Electronick7714 10 месяцев назад

A very important factor regarding the 75 shermans in normandy and europe in general. While the short 75s did struggle against the big cats, keep in mind there werent a whole lot of them overall. Many were in the eastern front. And when most of what youre fighting is enemy troops, bunkers, enemy encampments, and light/medium tanks with 50-80 mm of armor overall, the short 75 was perfectly acceptable. Everyone likes to focus on the tigers and panthers but most of what wouldve been encountered would be panzer 3, 4, stugs, and other older light tanks or SPGs. Which the sherman was very capable against. Tank on tank battles only occurred about 15% of the time if i recall. The rest was basically troop support, breakthroughs, travel, etc.

@ollep9142 10 месяцев назад

And that's why the British units only used one Firefly per platoon, the rest being 75mm. Which is why the gun barrel had to be disguised.

@Electronick7714 10 месяцев назад

@@ollep9142 exactly. Hence the odd camos you see on the barrels and whatnot

@lyndoncmp5751 10 месяцев назад

In Normandy there were 654 Panthers and 138 Tigers, plus 26 Jagdpanthers so overall over 800 big cats. The overwhelming majority on the British /Canadian sector. That's a fair amount, and around 1/3 of all German armour deployed there (2,336). Source. Zetterling, Normandy 1944.

@Electronick7714 10 месяцев назад

@@lyndoncmp5751 huh, I was always told the majority were deployed to the eastern front. I mean regardless, less than 1000 big cats vs...lets say 10k to 20k Sherman's out of the almost 50k made is a big difference. I kinda made up those numbers but there were a lot of Sherman's in Europe at the least.

@ollep9142 10 месяцев назад

@@lyndoncmp5751 Now compare that number of 800 to the number of towed ATGs, Panzerfausts, Panzershrecks and every other type of threat present. Take also into consideration that engagement distances (read "line of sight") was rarely more than a (very) few hundred meters, where the basic 75 was also mostly good enough even at the tougher armor.

@Laconianarms 10 месяцев назад

I love the firefly, such a beautiful name for such a beautiful sherman

@MrAcuta73 10 месяцев назад

The shortcoming of the 75mm wasn't an inability to engage German armor, it was its inability to engage German armor at range. I think the "magic number" was 1km, if I remember right.

@lazynow1 10 месяцев назад

Yea, but you are missing that the 75 was not meant to battle it out with other tanks, the TD units were for that always had the 76 mm from the start, you need to read more...

@MrAcuta73 10 месяцев назад

@@lazynow1 Yes, they kept upgrading the gun because it wouldn't penetrate concrete in support of infantry? The 17lb-er wasn't implemented because the 75 (or short 105!!!) wasn't good against emplacements. But because they were mediocre to bad against armor. I'm old enough I've not only read books (almost all of which the "experts" said the M4 was a dogshit platform), but I've had the chance to actually talk to WWII Vets. US Armor doctrine changed a LOT over the course of the war, particularly when the 3rd Army pushed Berlin. And after the war? Dedicated Tank Destroyers went the way of the dinosaur. For good reason.

@lazynow1 10 месяцев назад

@@MrAcuta73 You are missing the point, the US already had TD units with 76 mm units and 90 mm, with Sherman's with 76 mm units, and the 75 mm were liked by infantry......this is an old tired argument......and you are still missing the point and I am sure will still not get it.

@billwilson-es5yn 10 месяцев назад

The 75 and 105 could take out the Big Cats from a distance by shooting low at their road wheels and tracks. Those were vulnerable to AP and HE. The 105 also had HEAT rounds to use against armor and bunkers. The US M4 users liked the short barrel 75 and 105 since those allowed 360 degree turret transverse in close confines and forests.

@WaukWarrior360 2 месяца назад

@@MrAcuta73Sure, because most of those dogshit books based themselves on the dog shit "expert" (i.e Charlatan) Belton Cooper.

@KA-dx2kz 10 месяцев назад

The multi bank was a great engine, like anything it had some teething issues but once figures out it was onenof the most reliable engines in a sherman. It had a large amount of ready parts beinging a mass produced engine and most mechanics already knew how to work on it besides the new crankshaft and housing.

@Simon_Nonymous 10 месяцев назад

I believe that us Brits and the Commonwealth forces had no real problems with it, and it was a nice smooth understressed unit.

@ivankrylov6270 10 месяцев назад

The Multibank was hilariously reliable gm sent a specialist tech for ever 10 or so shipped and the reports where that the engines were "more reliable than expected"

@suzi_mai 10 месяцев назад

😊last good chrysler product made.

@mdkell4261 10 месяцев назад

@@Simon_NonymousSimon u had a problem getting to Arnhem on time. Sorry, no offense meant. That was terrible of me to say. You should have thrown a Canadian Tanker group up that road first. The UK had no problem throwing a lot of us in first at Dieppe and other tough situations. Of course it was Monty more than you kind sir. Neither one of us made any WW2 decisions.

@Simon_Nonymous 10 месяцев назад

@@mdkell4261 I was commenting on the engine of a tank.

@davidjordan697 10 месяцев назад

I love that wavy barrel camo, it so simple but effect.

@richardpeel6056 10 месяцев назад

My grandfather joined REME on the day it was formed and was sent to Guards Armoured Division. His job was to service Sherman Fireflies during training (pre D Day). He called himself the Dreamy REME because there was so little work to do, I guess that once they'd sorted the engines and guns they looked after themselves. He was a London taxi owner driver before the war so maybe the Chrysler engines weren't too big a mystery for him. He did not go overseas and remained with the Guards Armoured Division training new crews.

@richardpeel6056 9 месяцев назад

I saw the Firefly at Bovington a week ago, when I told my story to the veteran curator at the door he led me straight to the tank, he said my story was worth getting off his seat for.... many thanks. When I saw the Guards Armoured Division tank that my grandfather may have know, may have worked on, it was an emotional moment, the curator said that veterans and relatives often felt that way with vehicles they had connections to. The Sherman Firefly looks modern ever against much newer Russian tanks in the Bovington collection. Thanks for an informative documentary.

@HarryFlashmanVC 8 месяцев назад

What gets overlooked in the enthusiasm over the Firefly is it wasnt a question of 'how do we make this Sherman better' rather: 'the 17 pounder is a proven match winner (arguably the most successful of the allied anti tank guns of the war).. how do we make it self propelled? In the desert the towed gun was so heavy it needed the Morris Quad gun tractor to not only tow it but to re position it. It required a crew of 7 to serve it. The German 88 was even more difficult to deploy and tow. In fact the 17lb was so large, once it was in place it was impossible to move it around the battlefield. Fine when defending but whe the allies went on the offensive it became a real issue. The British tried several chassis options before settling on the Sherman with a hole chopped in the turret. Later in the war the gun would also be mounted on the Comet 1 the A30 and in the Valentine as the Archer tank killer.

@airplanemaniacgaming7877 3 месяца назад

The archer is so fucking fun in War Thunder. People really don't take it seriously, especially at its BR, until they get deleted from across the map by something that can kill much bigger tanks through their front plates.

@alganhar1 Месяц назад

The Comet's 77 HV was not, strictly speaking a 17 pounder, it was a hybrid of the 17 pounder and 3 inch. It used the 17 pounder projectile on a necked down 3 inch shell case. The gun barrel was from the 17 pounder 9though shortened), but the breach was taken off the 3 inch. You lost a little of the penetration of the pure 17 pounder, but in return you got a smaller gun with a handier round that was easier to manipulate inside the turret. In essence you got the best of both worlds, almost as good performance as the 17 pounder but in a smaller, easier to install package.

@PitFriend1 10 месяцев назад

The 17 Pounder had one thing that made it less desirable for the US as an tank mounted gun. Due to its high velocity the HE shells had to have much thicker walls to survive firing and so carried less explosive filler, even less than the same bore diameter US 76mm shells. The majority of of targets that tanks fought were soft targets like infantry and AT guns so they liked having a good HE shell. This was one reason US commanders resisted getting the 76mm armed Shermans so it wasn’t likely the 17 Pounder would be adopted. The 17 Pounder also had a problem during the war in that its APDS shell which had a very high penetration was rather inaccurate. I’ve read the reason for this was the high velocity combined with the alloy used for the sabot meant it would slightly melt and stop it from breaking away from the penetrator cleanly. The Canadians developed a different design called a “pot sabot” that helped with this. And the 77mm GF gun the Comet had used the same projectiles as the 17 Pounder but had a slightly smaller propellant charge which also solved the problem.

@g8ymw 10 месяцев назад

Note the Americans HE round for the 76mm had that problem. We got around it by (amongst other things) reducing the propellant charge which, although not quite as big a bang as the 75mm, was way better than the 76mm. The German heavy armour was largely decimated before the Americans had to face it. As for the APDS round, we hadn't learned, at that stage, that you cannot use a muzzle brake with that. The rest of the time, the 17 pounder was more than accurate enough

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

1. Highly inaccurate???? Stephen A Hart " Sherman Firefly V Tiger Normandy 1944 " Page 64 and I quote "Sgt Finneys Firefly Tank No4 'Orenburg' ----spotted two Panzer IVs moving to the west side of the main road at the prodigious range of 1645m In a brilliant piece of shooting gunner fired two shots and brewed up both Panzers " end quote 2. Page 23 of the same book. Firefly Ammunition AP. / APC / APCBC / APDS /HE So the Firefly did have HE and that was NOT the reason the US did not want It was logistics it saved carrying foreign ammunition and the US reluctance to use British Equipment

@hughsmith2657 9 месяцев назад

The comet also had a much shorter barrel, thus reducing velocity

@g8ymw 9 месяцев назад

@@hughsmith2657 True

@jacktattis 9 месяцев назад

@@hughsmith2657 This is from Tanks of the World by David Miller and I quote inter alia " but it was still far ahead of any gun carried on Allied AFVs at that time" end quote

@wastelander89 9 месяцев назад

I love Sherman tanks and I really appreciate the time effort and patience you put into this video. Thank you very much for making this.i learned alot.thanks for being a good source for learning about tanks and entertainment too.💯🙂

@drewbydoobydoo2918 10 месяцев назад

Man, I loved those missions in COD 3 where you play as a Polish exile crew manning a Sherman Firefly. The Mace had me stressing so hard as a kid.

@DarkRendition 10 месяцев назад

*THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CRAFTING THESE LOVELY VIDEOS!!* 🙂

@northlanddude9515 10 месяцев назад

Excellent video!! Thanks for doing all the research!

@diorocks5858 10 месяцев назад

my dad told me his crew smashed everything with this brilliant Sherman, they cut through German armour like butter

@chazzer7564 10 месяцев назад

You finally covered my favourite tank of all time, great video

@neilrobson8426 10 месяцев назад

A great lash up in the best improvised style..and deadly for the big german cats as opportunity afforded. My favourite tank of the war, thanks for the great video 😊

@Venicilia 10 месяцев назад

Didn't know the Firefly Grizzly I would pass by at CFB Borden was one of a kind. Cool to know!

@catthatisballing 10 месяцев назад

In my opinion the firefly did have some issues but it was pretty powerful for its time

@MostlyPennyCat 10 месяцев назад

It's so gloriously flawed though! 😂

@FritzLeAngel 10 месяцев назад

@@MostlyPennyCatif it works and kills Its a tank

@MostlyPennyCat 10 месяцев назад

@@FritzLeAngel And it worked. And even if it hadn't worked, the enemy was so scared of it that they spent previous time and ammo shooting at the most difficult target, as it was always hull down on a far away hill!

@lyndoncmp5751 10 месяцев назад

Definitely the best anti tank gun fitted to any Western Allied tank.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

@@lyndoncmp5751 Yes indeed

@BrianWMay 10 месяцев назад

Excellent post and a really good narration speed. Thank you.

@Stickboy1733 10 месяцев назад

The Chilean M60 Sherman was amazing, it was great to see them in parades alongside Leo 1s.

@wartula 10 месяцев назад

Its not even out yet but i still can drop a like, love these videos thank you for your work!

@freaky1382 10 месяцев назад

how the heck did you comment before it was released

@wartula 10 месяцев назад

@@freaky1382 M A G I C

@Kasspirr 10 месяцев назад

Good old "If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid" sentence fit in here.

@j.van-history8856 10 месяцев назад

Great job on my favorite ww2 tank, I think the firefly was a lesson in “good enough now” instead of “perfect but too late”. It is a brilliant idea and the Sherman was adaptable enough to do it. But the biggest thing I think the firefly had going for it was timing tied with recognizing a problem, having parts to the solution, and making it work. Great stuff as always, bravo Zulu.

@josephahner3031 10 месяцев назад

I think it's more an example of a solution looking for a problem. 75s were doing the job right up to the end of the war. American and French forces used 75mm tanks to massacre Panthers in their dozens at Arracourt and Colmar. Tigers were rarely encountered on the Western Front and when they were they were generally dealt with in short order whether there was a Firefly handy or not.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

@@josephahner3031 The 75mm was NOT doing the job against the Big Cats The shells were NOT penetrating Page 64 Hart Sherman Firefly V Tiger 1944 They were Shermans of the Ist Northern Yoemanry

@jacktattis 8 месяцев назад

@@josephahner3031 No the 75mm was not a good A/T gun The US never had any Tigers to face

@user-pe1zs2pn4n 5 месяцев назад

A great video! Thank you so much for posting this

@partlycloudy9443 9 месяцев назад

The Sherman was a great general purpose tank, but I always loved the M18 Hellcat.They should have made a heavier armored version of it, it had a low profile and a great gun. I think it could still maintain a good speed even with heavier armor, probably around 30 mph. And it just looks the part.

@kinocorner976 10 месяцев назад

When British and Americans get together to do some crafty stuff. Either Germans or Italians lose 🤣👌

@neilwilson5785 7 месяцев назад

Great video. I also appreciate your callouts to other RU-vid creators.

@banggobang5148 10 месяцев назад

Okay, I finally knew where the "VC" designations for these tanks come from... Thank you sir

@billwilson-es5yn 10 месяцев назад

The US M4 users told the Army they weren't interested in having their tanks upgunned to the 76mm due to being perfectly happy with the 75mm. They said it would take time to be properly trained in it's use and maintenance which would best to do at the training bases stateside and not in Europe where training would be rushed. The US Army had M4's with the 76 being delivered to England before D-Day but without their trained crews and mechanics so sat there after the invasion until they arrived. The British offered to produce some Fireflies for the US tankers before D-Day. The Army sent two experienced M4 crews to check those out. They reported back saying those were best avoided since US tankers would refuse to use them. The gunner had to contort himself to aim and fire the gun, the loader's task was equally awkward and the gun's breech would shoot out fire when used. They found that to be the most disturbing since the main gun rounds would occasionally separate when handled with the propellant spilling out onto the floor of the basket and fighting compartment. Their bow gunner/assistant driver took care of those spills by tossing water on the propellant then sweeping it up later. They were afraid that propellant would go where the thrown water wouldn't reach since there would be a lot more spilling out of the oversized cartridge. Chrysler began cobbling together the A57 multibank engine soon after starting production of the M3 since shortages of the R975 radial was expected. At that time they were installing rebuilt engines that were formerly used in commercial aircraft. It was widely used around the World until Pratt & Whitney introduced their Wasp radial engine that allowed aircraft to fly faster and carry heavier loads. The Army tried out the R975 in their combat car to shorten it's length and reduce weight. The tankers liked it so the Army decided to use it since there were warehouses full of the used engines. Chrysler also had warehouses full of their L6 engines that were used in their cars and trucks plus still had the tooling in place to make more. The US government got the British to accept using the A57 in their Lend-Lease tanks so US forces could stick with radials only. Chrysler worked the British tankers to make the A57 easier to remove for servicing. The Brits had their doubts the monster being reliable yet soon liked it since it would keep running even after two engine banks were knocked out. Back then the tank engines were expected to run for 200 hours before requiring rebuilding. The Brit tankers reported that many of their A57's could run for 1000 hours before starting to have serious problems.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

Well I have SA Hart Firefly V Tiger Normandy 1944 and nowhere does it mention rounds separating . Dont forget the Brits had been using the 17 pounder as there main A/T gun with the RA .

@TulliusOfRome 10 месяцев назад

You should do a video on the SO-122, the Yugoslavian M4 with the 122, it has a weird lil history and was part of a whole programme to make a 'counter' of sorts to Russian tanks of the time (T-54) as this was before the death of Stalin and the re-kindling of Soviet-Yugoslav relations

@josephahner3031 10 месяцев назад

Such a mad vehicle. Wonderously, gloriously mad, but mad all the same.

@greglorenzen6432 10 месяцев назад

Thanks...elevated my knowledge about FireFly to new level...

@SPENJERE 9 месяцев назад

Very nice video, lots of great pictures and video clips thank you.

@jackburton6228 10 месяцев назад

I have a book written by James Holland, which has some superb illustrations of the internals of the sherman firefly.

@yarnickgoovaerts 10 месяцев назад

Question: was it possible for the German tanks to do something similar to panzer 4 tanks and the 75 mm KwK 44 or even the 88 mm?

@GundamReviver 10 месяцев назад

The German autism wouldn't allow it 😂

@emilbt7588 10 месяцев назад

not without changing the turret. there was a program that tried to fit a Schmalturm turret on a Panzer IV J to give it the L/70 cannon like a panther. However, this put too much stress on a chassi with a suspension that was already facing a lot of issues with being overloaded.

@rogueleader2230 10 месяцев назад

I think they tried to do something like that with the panzer III, however it didn’t end up working and instead resulted in the panzer III N with the short barreled 75 mil gun

@anthonyirwin6627 10 месяцев назад

@@rogueleader2230 That would be the panzer III K, which was a panzer III J with the Panzer IV F2 turret and shorter L/43 gun. and tl/dr, it didn't work

@nukclear2741 10 месяцев назад

As shown with the above comments, not without changing the turret. The firefly was... a mess. Yes, it was a decent tank, but the turret was extremely cramped. Allow me to provide an example, in 1942 US army engineers designed a Sherman with a 76mm gun in the standard turret. The US army rejected it cause it was too cramped. The british were using the standard Sherman turret for those fireflies, and the 17 pounder is a bigger gun. Now if you look at the Sherman's with the 76mm gun, you'll notice that the turret is much different, that's cause one of the mad geniuses in development took a turret for the T-23 medium tank prototype, put a 76mm gun in it, and stuck it on a Sherman, and it worked perfectly.

@clarencehopkins7832 10 месяцев назад

Excellent stuff bro

@illusive1805 27 дней назад

The firefly,also had great speed as well! The 17 pound gun added! Was pure genius🫡

@davydatwood3158 10 месяцев назад

Alberta's contribution to WW2 includes both Lord Strathcona's Horse and the South Alberta Regiment (today perpetuated by the reserve South Alberta Light Horse) both of which used Fireflies (distributed one per troop of five tanks) so I've always been aware of and very fond of the Firefly. In the tabletop game "Gear Krieg" the Sherman Vc is one of the most effective tanks available and I have many happy memories of reducing German walkers to scrap metal from across the full length of the table. I *was* going to grumble about the video game shot of a dozen Fireflies all lined up together until you showed the photo of that! But it still puzzles me - I though the Ic and Vc tanks were never available in enough numbers to fill out entire troops or squadrons. Do you have any context for that photo?

@cordingdesert9566 10 месяцев назад

Oh no, don't put the Sherman in the jar.

@ignisshadowflame1027 10 месяцев назад

The firefly is one of my 3 favorite tanks of WWII and one of my top 5 favorite vehicles of the war.

@andrewthegraciouslordrober327 10 месяцев назад

Great presentation!!!!

@rolandjaycutter3504 10 месяцев назад

Great video, would love to see one on DD tanks.

@LordInter 10 месяцев назад

thw barrel on the firefly was too long to fit the floatation device

@anegg9057 10 месяцев назад

c'mon man how could you do that to lazerpig?

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 9 месяцев назад

As I think to remember, tank Commander, "Oddball" claims in the film: "Kellys Heroes", that the only way a Sherman may delay a Tiger, is by letting it shoot holes in it! 😁

@cccc285 10 месяцев назад

This would of been on discovery channel it’s incredible how far this is I’m going to look back fondly on this when I’m older

@ianbirge8269 10 месяцев назад

Afaik the sabot rounds were not affected by the muzzle brake but rather the higher velocity from the long barrel. Comet uses largely the same gun and ammo but in a shorter barrel and did not have the sabot accuracy issue.

@ConeOfArc 10 месяцев назад

There were more problems with the rounds such as aluminum buildup in the barrel but I encountered documents specifically talking about changes to the muzzle brake to help with the accuracy. I don't remember the exact problem it caused but I think it had something to do with the sabot separating. I'll probably cover it in a video of it's own someday

@nigelsmith7366 10 месяцев назад

@@ConeOfArc the report was wrong.... It is well proven that the muzzle break was not the issue... It was as previously stated the sabot separation was inconsistent

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

@@nigelsmith7366 Well that is funny No where in my book does it say the APDS round was inaccurate

@Mr.Bassman 9 месяцев назад

The Firefly is a beast

@williamashbless7904 10 месяцев назад

I thought that this topic had been done to death. Your approach was unique and filled in gaps of my understanding.

@markholmphotography 7 месяцев назад

As for the US not deploying the 76mm Shermans, before D-day there were 150 M4A1(76) VVSS ready to issue for D-day operations. However US commanders decided it wasn’t necessary due to the fact no crews had been trained on the 76mm and No maintenance people had been trained on repair. However that attitude changed quickly so that when Operation Cobra started in Aug 44 - Patton’s 3rd Army had those M4A1(76) in action.

@nigelsmith7366 10 месяцев назад

Also the 1c was a hybrid Hull.... Cast late type Hull front with welded late type Hull rear... The cut line was through the front hatches

@tasman006 10 месяцев назад

Great vid love the forged for battle episodes you do please pump out more of them. I think the Firefly was very smart thinking buy the Brits but even with some crew discomforts was the best way to address the German and Tiger tank problem than producing a whole new tank. Though in the game War Thunder I think they need to give the gun the better punch it deserves as I find it hard from the front to knock out Tiger and Panther tanks and even T34 tanks to a degree.

@danielspoon1234 10 месяцев назад

Angled armor, I use the archer often The 17pounder is magnificent but you have to realise the tiger had a 88mm gun the 17 pounder is good but it will struggle past tigers and things I usually don't have issues but I don't play much past 4.0 and I try aim for the mass and not the armour plates as with the solid shot the best damage I can do is shrapnel through the centre idk don't have much tips but it's still kinda inferior to the tigers armor etc, but these where some of the most heavily armoured tanks ever produced as well Just creep up beside them and shoot them above the tracks about 40% of the way from the front to rear They put there ammo there like fools and crew

@tasman006 10 месяцев назад

@@danielspoon1234 Oh I've gotten some good hits on them its yeah being in the right place at the right time. Yeah in the Sherman it has no chance agianst the 88 or longer 75mm of the Panther tank. Its the T34 tanks that should be easier meat with the 17 pounder I think they are also a bit OP. On the British line I'm almost up to 4.0 others countries down at 2.0-3.0 so getting there.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

This is from Sherman Firefly V Tiger Normandy 1944 by S.A. Hart Pg 14 and I quote" Firing armoured piercing rounds the gun could penetrate 172mm armour at 914m range ---sufficient to penetrate even the Tigers formidable gun-mantlet armour " end quote

@jonenglish6617 10 месяцев назад

My friend Jack Hawes was a firefly gunner with the Canadian Eighth Hussars (princess Louises). right until the end of WW2. He found the gun to be very effective

@exAirMover 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for dispelling some of the myths surrounding the Sherman, alongside the Chieftain 🙂👍❤

@sethmcintyre871 10 месяцев назад

I can't wait to see you do videos on the other up gun Sherman's like the French/Israel Super Shermans (the 75mm SA80 and 105mm version).

@RedXlV 10 месяцев назад

And Argentina's Sherman Repotenciado, which uses the same 105 as the Israeli Sherman M-51.

@Simon_Nonymous 10 месяцев назад

Me also!

@alejandrozapataq 10 месяцев назад

prepare for the hartred of the tiger lovers

@brianzhang349 10 месяцев назад

The US eventually produced a similar design using the 76mm cannon and the T-23(I think that’s the number) turret with great success. It’s important to note however that the vast majority of the Armor encountered by all Allied forces were the much less armored Pz.III, Pz.IV and Stug variants. With the 75mm cannon being more than enough to punch through the armor of those vehicles usually punishing German armor force with judicious force. War thunder (as much as I have a problem with video game representations of tanks as a whole) does pretty will with this, with the M4 and M4A1 being more than a match for the Pz.IV F2, easily penetrating the front armor of the tank. Whenever an American unit did run into anything heavier it was an issue, but it was incredibly rare.

@haroldingmire6768 2 месяца назад

Great video!

@MrSourceMan 10 месяцев назад

I like the Firefly alot, but i can understand why the US didn't end up adopting it despite the amazing 17 pounder. By the time they were getting a good look at it, the 76mm high velocity Sherman and Hellcat were already in Europe, and the m26 was likely already being developed. And given the 76 could kill big cats just as well as the 17 pounder (at least within usual engagement distances), there was no point bringing another Sherman into the roster for the US. (Also, given how much ammo was stored in it, i imagine the Firefly had a problem with burn rates compared to the M4 with wet floor ammo stowage)

@dennislemasters4339 10 месяцев назад

you are right the m26 was in development there were models of it already available, but those model were deemed not good enough by the armored core the people who were going to use them, the issue was poor reliability

@michaelpielorz9283 10 месяцев назад

The americans needed tanks able to fight and not toys made to make brits cheer :" we had the Firefly that could take out Tiger! Tiger Terror is still alive

@dennislemasters4339 10 месяцев назад

@@michaelpielorz9283 that describes american tank doctrine in ww2 they needed reliable tanks as they could not by shipped back to the factory for reworks so easily due to the vast pacific and atlantic oceans separating the us from the places it's troops fought in

@lyndoncmp5751 10 месяцев назад

The 76mm was seen as disappointing against the big cats without the rare HVAP. The commanding generals of US 2nd and 6th Armored Divisions reported this to Eisenhower in 1945. It was deemed not satisfactory.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

The17Pdr was knocking off PzIVs at 1600m+ and Tigers at over 800+ metres It was the best in Theatre

@budthechud8913 10 месяцев назад

This is mostly just my thoughts but im pretty sure the Italians removed the vertical ammo in the front because it increased the brew up rate on the tanks, as for the extra guy they added back, best I could think of is an assistant driver situation like the hellcat.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

The Italians did NOT have it British troops in Italy did.

@noodles8638 9 месяцев назад

My apologies, i didn't realise i had gone on to your channel, it's still a good idea, in their original camouflage paint scheme"s onto a back T-shirt, all the best with your channel & merchandise endevers. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍

@Apricotsnake1107 10 месяцев назад

: )good job mate Keep the up the Good work

@probableflaws3597 10 месяцев назад

Incoming!

@SoldierChamorro 10 месяцев назад

Maybe the extra crew member on the Italian Firefly acts as an additional loader readying and handing up ammo to the main loader?

@justinwillis3984 10 месяцев назад

Yeah it's on the right track with your tank video.

@edwardturner1282 10 месяцев назад

Amazing historical war video.

@lscf 10 месяцев назад

Would love to see you make a video about the Black Prince.

@Odin_8890 10 месяцев назад

Oof fuck me man, you just ain't got the mass of my boy, godspeed king

@galesams4205 10 месяцев назад

I got a chance to drive a SHERMAN tank at Ft. Benning after returning from vietnam. 75mm gun. I drove a m-48 in vietnam and this was like operateing a very light weight and slow tank. 69th armor.

@lethalshed2272 10 месяцев назад

Truly a tank that shocked the Axis great video

@hickspaced2963 10 месяцев назад

I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of wehraboos suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

@brennanleadbetter9708 9 месяцев назад

Nothing is better than hearing the cries of wehraboos.

@Lord.Kiltridge 10 месяцев назад

Tank crews preferred the shorter 75mm because most engagements were against infantry, AT guns, and lightly skinned vehicles. As a result the primary round was high explosive.

@ghdfhsfnfgbadfhsfh 10 месяцев назад

I'm not in the reality where the 17pdr never had HE, also most targets tanks shot at used HE so ur comment is a revelation of your limited knowledge

@harmdallmeyer6449 10 месяцев назад

@@ghdfhsfnfgbadfhsfh?? The biggest reason the US didn't have 76mm Shermans at D-Day was because the Crews didn't want them. Just because the 17pdr. had HE ammunition, doesn't mean the troops didn't still like the HE capability of the 75mm gun more. First of all, the 17pdr. has much larger shells in the same space as the 75mm. The 17 pdr.'s rate of fire is thus substantially lower than that of the 75mm M3. Secondly, the 17 pdr. had a smaller bursting charge when compared to the 75mm. Finally, the 75.. was loved for it's HE performance, to the point it get's favourably compared to the excellent American 105mm Howitzers. There is a reason the British had platoons of 4 75mm Shermans and 1 Firefly.

@Lord.Kiltridge 10 месяцев назад

@@ghdfhsfnfgbadfhsfh 1) It _appears_ you think I said the 17 pounder didn't have HE. I know it did. But it had less explosive filler, was slower to fire and due to it's size, fewer rounds could be carried. Making it less useful. *_Which was the point of my comment._* 2) Your limited capacity to read, comprehend, communicate, and attempt to insult my intelligence, is your badge of shame, not mine.

@nukclear2741 10 месяцев назад

@@harmdallmeyer6449not only didn't the crews want them, they felt like the 76s weren't necessary, cause 75s were killing tigers and panthers elsewhere.

@jacktattis 10 месяцев назад

@@harmdallmeyer6449 Not all the time by late 44 the Brits and Canadians were going to Cromwell tanks 3 /troop to one Firefly Source Tanks of the World David Miller Page 355

@markchapman2585 3 месяца назад

Great video 👍

@yayhandles 8 месяцев назад

This is the longest War Thunder ad I've ever seen.

@Ghost1828 10 месяцев назад

You were wrong about Lazarpig

@jamesfischer8667 Месяц назад

What?

@RTYT504 10 месяцев назад

Can we get a video on the fv4202?

@Kammioo 10 месяцев назад

I just started to play with the Firefly and it is indeed a wonderful yet powerful vehicle

@lemonz7878 4 месяца назад

At the end about war thunder i was like "YES IVE BEEN WONDERING THAT FOR AGES" Based creator, respects other sources and wants the viewer to learn

@dabubba4603 10 месяцев назад

History drama incoming everyone take cover until it is safe to come back out.

@AtamiskxIx 10 месяцев назад

Im curious as to how well that Sherman handled a 122mm in it. 😂

@stephenpatrick5802 9 месяцев назад

I don’t remember the source, though I am fairly certain it was Bovington or TheChiefton. I had heard that the 75mm was preferred over the 76mm because of the better effect on bunkers, AT guns & intrenched infantry. Because of that it was preferred by the command structure of the tanks. Doctrine of the time called for TDs such as the M10 & M18 to destroy advancing armor.