I mean, even with the armor, it's still a trying test on someone who has been raised as a rich douchebag; facing the likes of Chaos cults, Genestealer cults, even House Van Saar could be a major threat, with their master-crafted weapons and armor.
You could be in full modern plastic ceramic armor, able to deflect bullets at close range or minor explosions at range. That armor could literally shield you from immense heat and cold, and even give you super strength. You would still lose to a dozen men holding you down and smashing you over and over. 4year comment I just noticed sorry bout that
That's because Crawl is leading a part of the cult that actively tries to innovate and because he increases his intelligence extremely by artificial means, to the point of having several different conciousness to work on many projects at the same time. And with the crawl inferior he has something that comes pretty close to AI. Ergo crawl can develop much more then any other individual or group of individuals short of big E could.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 In addition, Cawl was tired of the Mechanicum's crap 10,000 years ago, which Cawl Inferior points out to Guilliman as the reason that the latter chose to work with Cawl. They are both futurists, men who believed that, for the Imperium to survive, new technological and political systems must replace the rotten ones of the Horus Heresy. Now, over the millennia (again, as Cawl Inferior points out to Guilliman) the Adeptus Mechanicus have grown ever more conservative. Cythera, Zeth, Hal; all of these people are either dead, hereteks, or both. In fact, you could make the case that all three of the above are both. Cawl is the one of last living loyal archmagi that stands for innovation; this, combined with his connection to one of the most celebrated Imperialist Primarchs in history basically giving him immunity, makes him a threat to the Fabricator-General.
In the (now very OOP) Black Library novel "Emperor's Mercy" an inquisitor has a suit of armor that matches the description of an Orrus suit (heavy armor, wrist mounted bolt launchers, shield generators), he explicitly states it's Tau tech, and he got it from a Rogue Trader.
I know this is old but. Doesn't he clearly state he got it from the nobles of necromunda. He blackmailed them into giving him his own suit, by saying this is clearly xeno influenced, unless you want me kicking in doors and taking names. Give me a suit to play with.
Am I the only one who sees a relationship between the spire hunter rigs and Eldar aspect warriors? I can't really place the Orrus, but the Malcador reminds me of striking scorpions, the jakara reminds me of a howling banshee, and the Yeld looks like a swooping hawk.
irishrshort I'd have compared the claws of the malcadon to those of the warp spiders' exarch rather than the striking scorpions. and while I agree with you on the rest, the yeld's wings look much more like those seen are dark eldar scourges back around 3rd edition, though I might be misremembering that
Don’t Tau play a long-term game when trying to court a new planet? Supplying Suits could be a way in to court the nobility to open diplomatic ties further in the future. Even the Kroot are still believed to be civilised by the Tau over time when the need for their savagery in battle is no longer needed.
I have a feeling it started as some Jokaero (possibly in the retinue of a rogue trader) mashing together Imperial, (A)Eldari, and Tau technology. The connection to the Tau language is interesting, but they could also have connections to current known words. Orrus -> Orris - a fragrant iris, a piece of lace or braid of silver and gold. Riches of the upper hive? Jakara -> Jaikara - a shout proclaiming victory or triumph (used in Sikhism) The completion of the noble's quest? Yeld -> Yeld - Barren or too young to bear young. See also Geld - to weaken, take power from. In reference to the hunt being a coming of age ceremony? Weakening the gangs or the removal of weak nobles? Malcadon -> Malcriado - (Spanish and Portuguese) Spoiled or ill mannered. The nobles in general, spoiled being the hunting rigs, ill mannered for them not respecting the "culture" of the underhive.
@@bobmilaplace3816 Eldar tech before Wraithbone isn't really significant. Most of it was "given to them by Vaul," which, depending on your interpretation of that story, means they either stole it or were gifted it by an Old One who appeared to them as Vaul. I personally prefer the latter; whether you believe that the Eldar gods are the Old Ones, were created by the Old Ones, or were created by the Eldar, it makes more sense that an Old One appeared to them in the guise of Vaul to give them Webway technology since they made major innovations on it. Now, the technology of the New Aeldari Empire (pre-Fall Pleasure Temple Eldar) could probably be hybridized with other tech.
What if the Tau have one of humanities STC's, and all of the Tau's technology is based on Dark Age Tech. Or perhaps they have scrounged up archaeo-tech from the war with the men of Iron.
I mean a beautiful piece of glorious machinery like toasters, you can’t just have your way with them. You gotta woo them first you know show those perfect archiotech designs of the omnissiah a good time P.S. I was more meaning the cyberdong thing.
I am not sure about the the tau connections the names might be similar but the tech doesn't seem to fit with what the tau have. Also based on most maps I have seen Necromunda is pretty far from the Tau Empire on the galactic map. Though true or not Necromunda needs a visit from a few titan legions.
Well this makes me want 3 things:1. An Arkam city Necromunda game where we play as a Spire hunter2. A novel with a rogue trader having a earth caste mechanic who works with an eccentric Tech-priest3. A necromunda novel that is about the spire hunters
@@matthewbennett1972 Oh man I love that trope, I remember during one of the Halo books prologue it had S3's destroy a Covenant fueling facility and they were like 11 or 12 years old.
I've looked at them as off shoots of Eldar tech, largely as i started out as an Eldar player, and could see many similarities between them and Aspect warrior equipment.
To understand Imperium, one has to understand its allocation of knowledge first. Information is not lost and advanced equipment like Mars patterned baneblades, anti gravity machines, cloning of the perfect human warriors. Those things are all very much well known within the Imperium. The issue is rather secretive nature of Adeptus Mechanicus who prefer to hide information even from itself. Guiliman and its sudden surge of technological sophistication, while of course lore rape done by incompetent writers, can be easily justified as someone pushing tech priests over the edge, combined with galaxy going to complete shit as tech priests finally releasing all their toys from the armory to begin with. Imperium can be incredibly advanced place if tech priests would merely stop hiding their machines all over the place and put them to good use.
@@unintentionallydramatic well there is still Belisarius Crawl who represents the largest collection of knowledge within the imperium. He for example even collected the memory of other Mechsnicum members. His knowledge is in fact so fast he dosent remember how he aquired most of it
Now then I could be remembering it wrong, but haven't the Tau only been around for like 5,000 years, and when they were originally discovered were still beating each other over the head with rocks & clubs. If I am remembering correctly they were discovered by a mechanicus exploritor fleet. Which I would think is a newer tradition than that of Necromunda's. However, the inquisitor is probably correct, and this is a result of poor documentation.
Problem with the Tau theory is that, the Tau didn't exist in games workshop during first incarnation of Necromunda when the Spyre Hunters where released unless we're ignoring that and looking only at the new incarnation?
If all build plans for the suits were around during the Horus Heresy than being complete T'au created tech is by all means...impossible. Does not rule out that the original plans were upgraded with T'au tech. And besides the rare Oni fist or the even rarer Fusionblades we havent seen many combat orientated T'au weapon systems, unleeees T'au finaly figured it out about those.
I cant agree with this theory based on a few things one necromunda is in the segmentum Solar tau have as far as I know never been that deep into the imperium secondly tau dont grow verry old so unless the rouge trader keeps going back and forth to the tau empire or he has a breeding stock of earth cast there is No way he can have one build armores for the nobility And finaly the stuff that is going on on necromunda has been going on sinse the greate crusade Long before the tau empire even exsisted ..... sorry 40k theorys team for being that Guy -_-,
@@NodDisciple1 hmmm maybe they NOW incorporate Tau tech but the original ones didn't? I'll have to look up if they have always been the same suits since before the Great Crusade.
One of the unspoken rules of 40k: No matter how old it is, no matter how out of date the info is, it is canon until it is explicitly said that it isn't from GW.
They sure are. Even have rules in the Index: Imperium 2. "Old canon" was that the suits were Tau tech, but that was never really established in the first place, only implied.
Technically a Heretek is specifically someone from the Adeptus Mechanicus who turns their back on the cults teachings to embrace things such as innovation. Using xenos technology is simply a form of heresy.
Spyers were around before the Tau were created. Most of the spyres have melee weapons... Tau don't do melee. So based on the fact Necromunda was around before the Tau were a actual race in warhammer 40k it would mean that the Tau were based from the Necromunda spyres which would be interesting. The Necromunda nobles are far too smart to do anything so overtly illegal. Let me add that Necromunda was ruled by the a tech - nobility and the rulers were those with the best technology.
Maybe they come from the Farsight Enclave? As for Techno Heresy: That one house is hoarding a mostly intact STC Fabricator. If that comes out, techno Heresy is the least of the planets problems.
Clearly we need a Spire Hunter video game. Hell the suits even have a built in level up system so its perfect. It'd probably play like Arkham City (which would be great) and your goal is to get to the bottom of them Hive. Would be fun.
The mirror suit is probably based on Vitrian glass tech. The necromunda fluff just said the names were those of the houses that used the given suits, though there is a new edition, obviously. I always loved the way the Orrus fig was sashaying out of the shadows giving it the jazz hands
I really like and greatly appreciate the fact that you are taking your time to redo your old episodes with new pieces of information, as seeing as G.W. had been getting off their collective asses and doing something with the lore, and hope perhaps wet get a board game with these guys soon. Also considering that fact that Tau also have been known to scavenge the battlefield for information my guess is that they have had their chance to dissect a dead space marine and study its mechanics to its full, such as how the gene-seed organs & power armor link via his black carapace and considering their level of advancement, they most likely incorporated some variations of this technology in their respective suits, and if we add Rogue Trader in the mix we end up getting some pretty snazzy suits, which are basically the Tau reverse engineering Imperium tech not the other way around, What I would not give for that Orrus suit though!?
Literally unkillable....genetically advanced super-soldiers sired from the blood of Demi-Gods, with armor that surpasses tranditional power armor AT ITS BASELINE and has the ability to adapt itself to its situation and wearer.
It makes more sense that all these suits are man made and that some incorporate xenos tech (reverse engineered or otherwise.) And not just tau tech. Those wings on the Yeld look exactly like old school dark eldar jump packs.
Considering the fact that Necromunda is located in the Segmentum Solar, the heart of the Imperium and the Adeptus Mechanicus and Inquisition's backyard, I'm guessing the Imperium is fully aware of this transgression and they are waiting to see if these suits are viable for their own troops before bringing the hammer down.
This "Hunting rig" sounds like total bullshit. Love how these things are fucking crazy powerful super suits of power armor for normal people that can fucking fuse with and EVOLVE with their wearer. And no one outside of Necromunda has one because...no good reason what so fucking ever.
I'm sure the techpriests have the same stuff. I you're willing to pay more than they're worth. The Necromundans are nuts for spending so much, not everyone else for declining.
I could imagine the Asartes, after being told that their going to purge the techno-heretics, just looking at eachother like, "I'm not going down there. You see that shit? I'm not fucking with the invisible flying snipers, juggernaut, and fucking spider man"
This video certainly seems to suggest a Tau origin to these hunting rigs... but I can't help but see almost blatant Eldar inspiration in these designs, especially that mirror shield and the overall design of several of the armour systems (such as the swooping hawks and Striking Scorpions). Hell, one of them reminds me of the howling banshees to a degree.
I think the Tau link is tenuous. You're talking about regular (xenos) connections from the far Eastern fringe. Beyond Mcragge to nearly the Segnum Sol. The suits were named long before the Tau were known Taking about these learning computers/suits there could be some dark age tech from the Men of Iron involved. It could be other smaller xenos faction like the orangutan looking ones or the hrud Edited for typos
The Imperial Fists probably turn a blind eye and sign off any paper work that says if there is any Techno Heresy. " Yep don't see any techno heresy here, alright hand over all your best people"
One of the Warhammer Adventures kids books involves a Tau selling Tau technology to Humans on a Space Station. Not calling it cannon, but it's an idea.
Seeing as how the high nobels of Necromunda can basically do and get away with whatever they want, its not surprising at all. There have been rumors of some of the nobels, as well as some of the under hive gangers have had secret ties to the Tau Empire, such as House Van Saar for example, which explains how they have access to such advanced tech in the first place.
I'd just say noble houses don't give a fly fuck about techno-heresy or mechanicum and have no restraints on tech research. Not spending 90% of time praying to machine spirit and burning incense really improves technology progress.
Royalty N1: Here we have extremely powerful and advanced armour. What should we do with it? Royalty N2: use it to terrorize poor people? Royalty N3: use it to test ruthlessness of our younger folks? Guardsman: equip soldiers to fight chaos, heretics, and xenos? All royalty: yeet guardsman out of window.
So here begs a question, what if tau technology is derived from a human STC? Meaning in theory, these rigs are from a human controlled STC, and taus language and tech is from another STC. Maybe the greater good is a warped version of the imperial truth?
The only real argument I can come up with against the suits being of at least partly Tau make is that, advanced as Crisis Suits are, some of the very abilities these rigs present aren't really abilities the Tau have reflected in others of their own making. I'd love to see a kit-bashed Commander suit with wings, but Crisis Suits seem to fly, and maneuver just fine without them. Apart from one xeno sword, and a slowly trickling in assortment of Oangar Gauntlets, they don't seem to make melee weapons, either, yet crystal sword and long arm blades; maybe even power fists. Certain elements literally scream "embrace the Greater Good!", but then some if it, I wonder if some Rogue Trader with Necromundan ties just knows a particularly eccentric Earth caste engineer? I also wish we knew how unique to Necromunda these were. There are a number if hive worlds, and I wonder if each could have similar factions with just different names, and if their own nobles send Scions down to prove they can inherit?
Necromunda certainly is an interesting planet... potential Ork cults, likely links to the T'au, maybe even some Aeldari influence, it's all very intriguing. One wonders how the place has managed to avoid purging down the millennia? I mean, it was pretty defiant and troublesome even when it was being integrated into the Imperium. Or maybe it's just too valuable of a Hive World to try and 'correct' when it's not causing any real trouble.
I don’t agree I’m afraid. The hunting rigs look very human in their design. The noble houses could wear the hunting rigs during trading with tau who referred to each suit before the houses had given them a proper name. I doubt that, if the suits were reverse engineered xeno tech, that noble houses would hire techno-heretics to mess around with expensive tau battle suits. They would more likely be from STCs from the dark ages of technology.
Plot Twist: The Tau developed the tech from fragmented STCs for their own Empire and then were contracted by a Rogue Trader to make them suitable for Human use >:D
Love the video but...unless this has been officially retconned, these are all based on Eldari Exarch armours. I'm hoping I'm not the only one old enough to remember this! Lol
40K Theories I'm not sure I can hunt back that far as the sources were GW concept staff comments in White Dwarf during the months around release times if I remember rightly. To be honest if you line up the art of the suits against each other you will immediately see the similarities. Of course, the fact the Tau didn't appear as a concept until a decade or so after Necromunda was pulled as game as well but conincided with the releases of the Exarch rules and models more closely
Wasn't the original idea that they were made by Jokaero? Before Tau were a thing in 40k. Really don't like that they decided to link the suits with the Tau, just wasn't needed.
