Hey Jered, The TSB Bracket sandwiches between the junction box and mud ring. The box/ring will not hold onto the bracket without one another. If you are looking for an "O" style adjustable bracket where you can install a Mud Ring by itself, take a look at our SSB Bracket: www.orbitelectric.com/prefab-products/simple-support-bracket-system.html?limit=all We'd be happy to send you product samples if you'd like to review.
