THE THING: Horror in Isolation 

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That is so true

Absolutely. This movie came out a couple of years before I was born but it scared the absolute shit out of me when I saw it for the first time as a teenager and remains one of my favorite movies.

I just seen it last week for the first time and was stunned by how good the practical effects looked.

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@@AxxLAfriku sad shit, get a better hobby.

Among us is inspired by Space Station 13. Space station 13 is inspired by the thing.

Dare I say, it was BASED

Apparently the original idea was from when the devs were kids they'd use cards to determine the impostor and tag people to 'kill' them (something along those lines) then the rest of it was definitely added in from The Thing

Translation: they want the heroes, the human, to win.

Critics from the 80's: BUT I WANT A SLASHER MOVIE WITH EVIL DUDE THAT HAS A BLADE FOR A DICK WEEEEEEEH (a.k.a i dont want to think or actually be creeped out cuz im braindead)

"sir, this is a horror film" that's not the point either, it's a story that doesn't allow room for warmth or humanity because you can't trust anybody. not to get too literal, but they're trapped in antarctica with a monster. not much room for warmth or humanity there.

@@plasticweapon Speaking of warmth, isn't Antarctica colder than a Yeti's turd?

@@factualhat3018 haha dude, find Eberts Friday the 13th movies if you want a good laugh

*flute begins playing*

all in all you're just a -nother brick in the wall

Same thing with black sabbath black sabbath

*and the poet lifts his pen*

@@Industrial_Druidic_Society glad i'm not the only one who caught the nod to Jethro Tull xD

Explains his relationship with non whites

I think I'm not the only one like it around here, but I don't get scared by unknown, bc, well... I don't know it...I got scared by knowing more and more... Bc reality is way worse than any fiction...

@Atomic Kat i'm not, its just always funny to see how buttmad lovecraft fans get when you mention the fact he was a racist which continues to provide amusing self serious responses to this day

you guys are really arguing if a racist is racist he is a great write you can enjoy his writing without agreeing with him

@Atomic Kat just because racism was socially accepted at the time doesn't suddenly mean it was okay to be racist back then. racism is still bad regardless if everyone around you openly accepts it or not

Most people are retards

That's one of the reasons alot of movies and games lose attention. The only reason being that people seem to think it's like a superhero movie, final fantasy xv's ending basically showed noctis and the team dieing and tons of people hated it even though it was the most creative thing ff has done in years imo (not to mention the ending shows noctis living his best life with lunafreya in heaven). They then ruined it with caving in and saying the team survived and then retconed the ending in dlc. Tldr people are retards and assholes who just want buzzwords and pretty colors.

Exactly. Group up in pairs of two? One or both could be the monster. In pairs of three? One monster could still overpower two people. The only criticism that's valid is that MacReady didn't do the blood test until it was already too late, but given the circumstances its not realistic that they would think of the perfect solution off the bat.

@@Jaydoff exactly. The script was clearly thoroughly thought through.

Plus even if literally all of them stayed together all the time, how would anybody get any work done like cooking, washing clothes, using the bathroom etc? It would be very easy for one or two “people” to slip away if all twelve of them are constantly walking through those tight corridors

One could say the butchered remake we have now is a mere imitation of what truly was meant to be. An imposter.. alien.

#ReleaseThePracticalCut

Go watch Harbinger Down.

Oy vey

I thought it was a prequel.

everyone one was def innocent in that movie

Hopefully, very dead

@@stuffmorestuff6647 can’t agree more

This says a lot about society 😔

But I asked..

It's because we already know. They're assimilating the Diabeetus guy, y'know, the usual.

and his name is

@@almost_friday9745 me

and he was 23 at the time. i need to get off my ass, holy shit

@@3three3three3three yeah i guess so

Respect the movie grind

YEA

And murder is a legal term. It's called 'killing' which murder can fall under. And it was indeed self-defense,

@@dbsommers1 *homicide* is better than “killing”

@@XenSlayer I thought everyone knew this???

@@amuroray9115 Not only that but you can clearly see clark charging him with a scalpel with the intent to cause grave bodily harm. Definately justified self defense.

We don't talk about 'that' movie

@@bootmanbill6973 absolutely

It's the dude.

Will they make the same mistake regarding the Frozen Hell version that's coming?

@@SSGLGamesVlogs yes

sorry to necro this but after watching it the only thing i thought was really dumb was the multiple times a character alone would chase the thing without letting ANYONE else know

But that is the point. As the video here states, paranoia was a part of the movie's theme. Why would anyone then tell a group of people, of which no one doesn't trust eachother with any kind of information about themselves, that they are chasing the monster? For all they know, the people they speak to could also be the monster, which would then hunt that person down.

Agree.

They didn't always make perfectly sound decisions, but it's reasonable given the circumstances they were in.

I hate that "mad sus" is a genuine choice to use for that sentence to make sense.

Josuke Has 4 Balls

So you do

It's worth it, The Thing is an amazing movie :)

Why hello shuck

How about you make a way too expensive The Thing stop motion video next? 😅

And considering how horrible the inner workings of Hollywood are (which people have become aware of because of people like Weinstein being exposed) it makes you wonder if those critics were simply made uncomfortable due to seeing a familiar reflection of themselves.

Im sorry, but what do you mean by "today"?

@@PaperThin_ i say today like “current times” or “nowadays” kind of deal

@@Bee-bup these werent critiques made in 2020 though. Why do you refer to these critics like they arent from the 80s?

@@PaperThin_ my bad, i forgot that those “reviews” were from then. it’s still kind of jarring that that mentality still thrives in Hollywood, though

I feel like one day that'll be the case for The Last Jedi. Maybe not please don't hurt me RU-vid

My god your everywhere what the hell

Lmfao I just saw your comment on the osu mania talent show video

We've got the same taste in RU-vid videos. Only your comments attracts likes 😂

@@Laiser *H U R T!!!!*

I saw all 4 movies in the theater when they came out. ET was cute, I guess. Have never felt the urge to watch it again. Poltergeist - I found this boring overall but I did like the Indian burial ground idea. Never saw this movie a second time and I only think about it on Thanksgiving when my sister-in-law, Carol Ann, visits. In my opinion, Blade Runner and The Thing are amongst some of the finest movies ever made and I have seen each over 50 times. To each his own, of course.

They don’t make em like they used to 🤷‍♂️

Imagine? Bro those people are very much alive lol I had dinner with them last night.

@@ajalvarez3111 i 100% agree with you btw, but i still think it's a great line up.

@@derekazyan9942 They do, they just fly under the radar. Maybe now more than ever. You have to search for them.

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Uhhh yeah there is a reason is called ahead of his time, if aliens gave us the ultimate perfect tecnology how are we supposed to used it when we don't even know what it is?

@@heladovegano9770 Easy! We use it for murder and violence! Doesn’t matter what it is.

​@@heladovegano9770watch a movie called arrival. Literally the plot is what you just said

Maybe genius isn't recognized immediately. It has to stand the test of time.

Macready browses 4Chan, that's why.

@@Zorro9129 while the rest are playing minecraft on discord

Well most psychological horror movies are full of warmth and humanity, idk why this one isn’t

Yeah the point of the movie is that there is no hope in the movie and that there is no way that the people in the thing would not survive

A film literally set in the cold about an alien is criticized for a lack of warmth and humanity. Damn.

@@Winasaurus It’s more like I could never enjoy something without any warmth in it. Like why would I? So I get fear and depression or something? It’s a fair critique. How can something be entertaining yet just be pure despair and fear fuel

@@popopop984 It's not meant to be entertaining and enjoyable on a visual/narrative level. A bunch of people get super paranoid and die in fear isn't exactly meant to be heartwarming. It's enjoyable in more of a cerebral way, putting yourself in their shoes, thinking of how you would act, or what they should have done differently. Asking who's right, who's wrong, and who's just crazy. It's more of a philosophical 'entertainment', much like all those thought experiments of "What's the most painful way to die?" or "What are the odds of something terrible happening to me?" The answer isn't really something you want to know, it won't be satisfying, but in some morbidly curious way it would be interesting.

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yeah but he doesn't make ytps anymore unfortunately

@@JuanStamos I still think he incorporates a lot of high quality edits into his work that make me think that what he is doing now is even better.

@@Jollerygrokes i disagree also he doesn't make jokes anymore which is also terrible

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Yep

Alien was a haunted house in Space. Even Ridley would say so.

@@yousircantknow8987 Yes, but a haunted house in space without a ghost. It's a lazy analogy and Scott is always open to revisionism himself. The only real people that truly matter in the telling of that story are Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. Everybody else is a passenger.

It's not that they're not stupid, it's that they act so realistically and believably. It makes everything feel so real.

Except nauls abandoning Mac and walking into the darkness after hearing a strange noise in the distance, definitely a smart move

@@charlesmeniru5082 Considering how the ending of the movie is intentionally left vague and mysterious I feel like that plot point was only put there to make us question nauls during the final staredown

@@charlesmeniru5082 Stop nitpicking! Nauls saw movement which believed to be Garry, and investigated, unaware of the monster lurking in the shadows.

Harsh truth but that’s pretty much what all the monsters were. Glorified puppets. Which somehow still look 1000 times more believable than cgi

@@brockfilmzinc1 practical effects are best for horror. An American Werewolf In London exemplifies this.

@@brockfilmzinc1 You only notice cgi when it's bad.

@@wolfwiz9973 Indeed.

@@cavemann_ or overt. Too much cgi you'll forget the movie was live action

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The big issue with critics is that they're still people and still vulnerable to peer pressure and the Overton window. When that window is against edgy stuff, they likely will be too and any critic who doesn't step in line (Just Reviews who does albums and pop songs) will be heavily ostracized and possibly even de-platformed too.

The original cut of blade runner is atrocious. The voice over narration by Harrison Ford actually ruins the movie imo

As with anyone, the opinions of critics are only reflective of the time period. They don’t bear any ill will.

@@jameskemp9960 I can agree with this to an extent, but it's like how can any critic at the time not even see the MASSIVE potential this movie had??

@@ultimadum7785 some poor editing decisions can make a good movie with potential bad.

Midsommar: *nervously looks around*

@@creativeguy1martinez693 Haha! Good one!

You have to have been around back then to understand. The 80s were stupidly Conservative and optimistic. I realize now that compared to 'ET', it had to come off as absolute nightmare fuel to the America of my teen years. Major movies were given a lot more public attention (media) then as well.. If it had been low budget, no one would care.

"Some thing" lol, did you make that joke on accident or was it on purpose

Yeah definitely with the last of us 2 critic consensus .

@@timothytosser288 Except the thing is actually well written.

That was such a stupid decision to make.

Yeah, the practical effects is what made the movie, I think that's why I like a lot of 80s movies

Yeah. Everyone remember. You are not CGI. You are a practical effect. Everyone is their own practical effect

They weren't that bad people. I love 2011 Thing.

@@manray5140 it wasn't bad but the use of practical effects would've made the movie ten times better

Very very late, but I need to archive this comment because that’s brilliant.

I think I’ve heard it said the thing has been shown to deliberately attack other “things,” if it means it can allow it to deceive people and to survive and further the cause. And yes I think it’s been established that each thing can recognize a kindred thing. But that’s kind of an interesting take

I've always liked to think that by the ending of the film, Mac and Childs are both assimilated. It's a pretty grim outcome, but at the same time it offers a little hope for humanity. You've got two Things that are sitting and squabbling with each other, which ties back into a moment of the book concerning the Things essentially getting lost in character, and also demonstrates the inherent flaw in the strategy of intelligent creatures that use deceit and treachery to get by: eventually, they're going to turn on each other.

@@ZebboGeesucks they had a comic and it expands on this question also they breath/eye thing is a give away.

No, if you watch carefully you can see that the infected are looking out for eachother. For example, when MacCready burns the thing, the 2 we later find were infected are RIGHT out front with their fire extinguishers. There's other easter eggs as well. It knows what it's doing all along...

The thing doesn’t slowly take over people tho evident by all the scenes where the thing visually was taking someone over

Or maybe the Thing is actually capable of absorbing the dead, and took him over after he hung himself.

@@vclapem9140 maybe it depends on how many cells infect you. 1 can take hours to take over and organism, but several cells can do it in minutes.

@@TheDizzieC And a hand can take you over in seconds.

I saw someone argue that the thing is attempting to use reverse-psychology. Blair-thing wants to work on the ship and does not want to get back in the base so it intentionally makes itself sound overly suspicious

A non pessimistic 14 year old, that's a new one.

@@kachucho872 Ikr

@@samuelthehobo4441 As a 14 year old, I can confirm Memerio is truly one of a kind

It's kind of relieving when you find out all Saints are sinners too. Police men work only for a check, your public safety is just a trade. Politicians are slime, all act only at the whim of their party. Even Mr. Rodgers has some dirty laundry I'm betting. That's what the movie makes me think, that everyone is still carnal, still just trying to survive. At whits end, when you're at death's door, no one is worth more to you than yourself.

I think I first watched this when I was like 13, I really loved it for the psychological horror aspect(I'm actually a Psych major now), and it gets even better the more you realize how "real" it actually is

All crowds are made up of singular people. I understand the quote but people think they are immune to group think. We all do. I do it sometimes and it worries me.

@@DatcleanMochaJo Woah. In that sense, the nature of the men and that of the Thing bear a remarkable poeticism.

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Yeah, that was the final scene that convinced me that the movie was a masterpiece of cinema

I know right?? People absolutely LOVE practical effects almost universally to the point where you can market a film based solely on that, but for whatever reason Hollywood always goes the CGI route smh...

​@@ultimadum7785It really is baffling.

I don't know why in modern horror they insist on CGI over practical effects. Any other genre it's fine but horror should be practical effects first sprinkling in a very small amount of cgi to enhance the practical effects.

​@@swarllyit depends on what it really is. Somethings are easier to recreate in different ways

Sheesh, by Damn Daniel Featuring Pewdiepie is on the Soundtrack, OMG I love it

It’s also like Push the Button from Jackbox

I wish I could read the phrase among us normally

i don’t think anyone was in the wrong! nobody trusted anybody and they were all very tired

there's also the Mist

@@guilhermehank4938 oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me. It's funny. All the best horror movies have "the" in the title.

@@vincenttapia2037 It seems it may have something to do with the ambiguity of the words following 'The'. The unknown is terrifying to us by our very nature.

@@alw2839 Yeah. That's most likely it.

@@alw2839 And also the fact that "the" implies it's unique It implies there's only one Only one thing is necessary to destroy us all, only something as unique as humanity poses the biggest threat to itself

I believe Mafia was the original version of the game

@@matthew-2484 and then you have stuff like Town of Salem and similar "vote out" games

The shape shifting alien helped inspire the necromorphs from the Dead Space series

I dont think anyone thinks among us is the first. Wtf is this strawman

Laughs in Clue

well...no shit.

Plane?? It was a helicopter. Bruh.

lmao I never thought about it that way

Capitalize "Thing". I had to re-read your first sentence because people commonly use the phrase "The thing is, ..."

@@bastokrepublic ok then bucko

Hey Reventian, didn't expect to see you here. No UKARMS here unfortunately though.

@@TheDarkSide11891 The Thing is my favorite movie and I wanted to do a UKARMS Spin on it. And EmpLemon is on my notifications.

Nobody expects the reventian inquisition

Fancy seeing you here, UKARMS man

Ah shit, here we go again!

Yeah, makes you wonder how he got such a big name despairing having some of the worst opinions.

I didn't know about that history lore, pretty insightful! I remembered he shit on Labyrinth which killed Jim Henson's cinema career outside of the Muppets and he apparently ended Carpenter's big budget career. He claimed video games weren't art while praising a medium with no interaction, only consumption. Miserable old man.

That's something I've noticed. People respect Roger Ebert quite a bit as a film critic even though he was quite incapable of being anything other than a snobby, spoiled bastard towards any movie that wasn't exactly how he wanted it. He was a complete asshole with terrible taste in films.

@@Anon_Spartan to be fair he did regret dismissing videogames later in his life

And now he's dead

he already did that with nascar there is nothing he cant cover

Agree

@Tom Nye I would let emp bend me over

Except when he made a video about BTM. That was cringefest

And the imposter cant spreaf

@@anoon- or disguise as one of the crewmate

This movie has a game...

Actually there are 2 thing

It's also a game mode in Space Station 13.

Definitely makes you wonder just what kind of planet a creature like THAT could come from. What ELSE lived on that planet? Are there some life forms even The Thing can’t or won’t devour…?

And he was an idiot too since if mcready was a thing stabbing it woudnt do anything

@@diegodecuadromansilla3867 people often make illogical decisions under fear. The two men at the end of the day were just trying to survive. There was no good guy or bad guy in that situation.

@@diegodecuadromansilla3867 Wrong! If a thing gets "wounded", it'll act how the original organism would've act. Thus if McReady was a thing, it would've act out to try to maintain it's cover.

@@kenpierce1464 yet the thing woudnt have been in much trouble , it migth act how a human would act if it was stabbed but it woudnt have the same effect. Kinda like with the heart atack scene, the thing acted like it had a heart atack or maybe it had one but the thing didnt die from it

@@averyhepburn8092 yes i agree that people make illogical decisions under stress but i am not claiming that somebody is good or bad , just that the action taken was dumb

oh shit it's the guy

Nah, Blair was assimilated already by the time he had locked himself in his office. He wouldn't have had enough time to grab all the spare parts from the helicopter and tractor to make his craft if he didn't get assimilated until around the time Fuchs death happened. I mean, it's pretty much assumed that Blair is the shadow figure passing the lab and who got to Fuchs. Blair destroying the radio and vehicles was all a ploy and distraction to make it look like he was keeping anyone from leaving but you have to consider the fact that, Blair-thing already had other plans for getting to society. He destroyed all the equipment to prevent anyone at Outpost 31 from contacting the outside world and warning them. That way, he successfully isolated everyone and could then assimilate or kill the rest and then bail. This also helps his backup plan if the main plan fails. If it did fail, then they would still be cut off and by the time help came to check on them, all humans would've died from freezing to death and the thing could freeze and lie dormant until found and THEN attack. Therefore, Blair had definitely been assimilated early on, assumed by most to be off screen, my thought being by the dog and before the Palmer/Norris wall shadow assimilation. The dog, when walking down the hallway, could've been just coming from attacking Blair. But yeah, it just makes so much more sense that way. It would be way too much of a coincidence if Blair had destroyed the vehicles and stuff as a human to stop the thing from leaving and then a day or so later as Blair-thing, end up using that to it's advantage. Anyways, cheers!

@@FilthTribeFTP So then what’s your explanation of the noose?

One of the best I’d say

He's a former RU-vid Pooper. I still enjoy RU-vid Poops, and have since 2008.

The correct word is amazing analysist

he made a video about the shining?

Um, I think it was VideoGameDunkey who made the video on The Shining.

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Last I checked, it was taken down due to "violating the guidelines."

@@CassandraPantaristi *always has been...*

@@anisomniac5931 I watched it before it was temporarily taken down.

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A dudes stomach opens and amputated a guy at the forearms and then a dudes head grows spider legs and rips its head off then grows eyes. I dont think it was age restricted due to PR.

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@Mate Product Well, I had absolutely no interest in the game. I said "why would I play this shit, it's not even a real game". Then a friend gifted it to me, so ofc I had to download and be their 10th player. If you have 9-10 people that you know well, this game is an *absolute blast.* If you *can't gather that amount of friends,* it's no real fun, at least for me. Whenever we drop under 9 players, I'm out. Just sharing this in case you haven't played it yet, but hang around online with a bunch of friends anyways. 👍

Well the thing is about one impostor trying to kill it’s fellow humans and among us is about one impostor trying to kill its fellow humans

@@HelghastStalker maybe. but I can ask any boomer or female friend to join Among Us. With TTT its too complicated for those kinda ppl. 😜

@@Yoshi92 the fuck does this have to do with anything?

Glad he 'shined the light' on the cinematography too as when pointed out i finally realized just how essential it was for the practical effects to be as effective as they are.

@@cockroachafro for real. film-making at its finest. I'm happy that today most of us realise the importance and the value of John Carpenter's The Thing.

Emp is vegan, I bet he has a lot to say about it. Namely the fact that it's totally fucked and inhumane.

@@Liravin youtube owned video a while ago but it's back

@@Liravin it was taken down by youtube within moments and was unavailable for about 4-5 hours because it “violated RU-vid’s community guidelines”

Everybody RU-vid should be subscribed to this channel, something has to interest u lol

@@Tofu_va_Bien is emp actually vegan? jeez we'll probably only get another year of high quality uploads before malnourishment and protein deficiency destroys his mind. SAD!

I agree. I’m sure E.T. is analyzed for its brilliant story telling too. Seriously, John Carpenter was dealt a bad hand, at least his work is getting the appreciation that it deserves.

Just like the protagonist of the movie feels so threatened by the monster, so does the audience of the early 80s feels creeped out by how different the movie is from the standards. They were so close-minded to the elements that made a movie "good" to them at the time, that the sight of something so terrifyingly new made them act more on instinct and to reject it, much like animals react to something they have never seen before. it wouldn't be until later that more open-minded audiences would start to fully appreciate the movie and to understand how innovative it truly was.

@@succubastard1019 I completely agree with what you're saying. For as close-minded as they were could they at lest be more specific? Criticism is just insult without any real reason behind it.

You are a fool if you belueve critiques exist in the professional world to do anything other than make money

Those are cut from longer reviews he was just showing that the conclusions were negative.

Among Us is cringe, SS13 is better.

pfffahaha thats what you call cultured?

Definitely not because Halloween, i assume

I think that it's because "Among us" is popular right now, and this game is based on "The thing".

It's quite a tonal difference between his Disney films and The Thing.

I think there was a few things leading to this :p

Nah..

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EmpLemon doesnt hate everything.

If he hate everything, does that mean he hate himself?

don't command him like he's your f-ing dog

Audiences at the time didn't like it either, and I doubt they were influenced by the critics much. They just liked E. T. and the other movies at the time more.

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@@HelghastStalker Nah, Among Us feels more like The Thing than Trouble in Terrorist Town

I think it's the scene with the chess computer all over again: offering his adversary the fatal "drink". If I recall correctly, all of the beer bottles were filled with fuel to make Molotov cocktails. The alien doesn't know the difference between gasoline and an alcoholic drink, confirming to McCready that Childs is infected when he takes a sip with no reaction. Safe to say it's fate is sealed when it has imbibed the flammable substance, just like the computer.

@@paulandreotti1639 I guess the other thing is the extreme difference in their breathing. (Sorry, lost on the words) Seeing McCready's breath nonstop while nothing from Childs at all. It was very prevalent there..

@@creamgravy1 Apparently, this was confirmed to have been just due to poor lighting.

I took it to mean that it didn't really matter at that point. Whichever of them was human, they weren't going to survive without shelter anyway. Assuming either of them were the Thing, it'd just go back into hibernation. It's lose-lose at that point, so may as well have a drink.

@@dagda1180 I was asking myself that when watching that scene, but wasn't sure.. Good to know there, thanks.

I grew up on it don't worry brother

It’s definitely not underrated

It can't be called underrated when it's considered one of best movies from the horror genre and everyone praises it.

@@badabingbing474 outside of some recent youtube videos, I've literally never heard anyone mention this movie. So maybe outside of my circle of friends, but it's weird because they all like horror movies too.

@@Camm0Blue you guys are probably on the younger side