Let me know if you guys would be interested in reactions to some animatics once they’re released for this saga 😊 Also I can believe I missed Eurylochus saying he opened the wind bag in Scylla 🤦♀️. How did I miss such important information.
A lot of people like to hate on mistakes characters make in this but honestly, I think it's been pretty reasonable. Even Odysseus shouting to the cyclops when they left. lot's of people will say things they regret in a heated argument or snap at someone after having a bad day or just make bad choices in general. These men have been in a war for 10 years without being able to see or talk to their families, anxieties about things like if their wives remained faithful and still love them or if their children grew up well without their fathers chipping away at their mental state the whole time. Then you get entangled with monsters and polites, odysseus best friend and the one who kept things happy and cheerful, dies. Then athena shows up telling odysseus what to do after he already feels like a toy to the gods after the war and having to kill a baby because the gods would use said baby to start another one. It isn't surprising he got so fed up that he ended up snapping and doing something he shouldn't have. These men have been in a war for 10 years that none of them even wanted to be a part of in the first place, Odysseus included, have been struggling with ptsd, seeing their friends die, being hunted by a god, contantly facing starvation and they were so close to home before and are now so far away. Most people would probably go insane or just completely breakdown from just a fraction of what these men have been through.
Me: I hate Zeus. All of him. Also me, putting Thunder Bringer on this morning: *doing those happy hands all the song, jumping until my feet hurt, and squealing "Eeeee!!!!!:D" the entire song*
When you realise Tiresias's Prophecy most referred this specific saga: 1. I see a song of past romance - Sirens' Song 2. I see the sacrifice of men - Scylla 3. I see portrayals of betrayal - Eurylochus opening the Bag o' Winds AND Odysseus sacrificing people to Scylla 4. And the Brother's final stand - Mutiny / Thunder Bringer Plus, I'm sure you already know but Mr. Jalapeno confirmed some of the spirit choir lyrics in "No Longer You" - Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt.
Also in the livestream with the animation, Eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches, he gave it to one of the men he saved being attack and tried to save the others. Then he realized that the heads were after those with torches and that he doomed the person he saved by giving it to him.
Two fun facts: 1.) Eurylocus is Odysseus's Brother-In-Law in Homer's The Odyssey. 2.) Scylla is a colossal sea mosnter with six heads and an atractive female facade as a lure.
Not as a lure. She used to be a nymph until she was turned into a monster by Circe who was in love with a man who loved her. This wasn't written by Homer though, obviously.
@@deadeye4047 in more traditional mythology, Scylla was born a beast, no facade. in some other poems, Circe was in love with a mortal, but he loved Scylla, and when he asked Circe to make Scylla the nymph fall in love with him, Circe turned the sea nymph into a horrendous monster with six heads. Scylla fled from the underwater court and lounged herself onto a giant rock. On the other side was Charybdis, a sea monster that sucked in ships. When ships tried to avoid Charybdis, they scooted to Scylla. If they were fast, Scylla would take six men, and if they were slow, each head would eat two men. That's why in the Odyssey, I think it's Circe who warns Odysseus of Scylla
6:09 I know right? And its one of my fave female monsters, Scylla a woman from waist yo, but waist down, she has six dragon, snake head monsters to attack and feed. Thus, the multiple voices.
Thunderbringer, and really this whole saga, gave me so many conflicting feelings... On the one hand, I was devastated by the ending; Eurylochus has been one of my favorite characters from the get go, and like you said, it was Odysseus who made that call. But also, Odysseus just learned that the wind bag being opened wasn't just one of his men- it was Eurylochus. _Eurylochus,_ his most trusted friend and brother, cost them both their fleet and their best chance to get home safely. Then _after_ learning this, he gets mutinied upon, and Eurylochus for the second time ignores his warnings, and once more, it costs the lives of their men. After all this, Odysseus gets blamed by Zeus, and given an ultimatum: His life and the chance to see his wife and kid again, or the lives of the man and crew that betrayed him multiple times? And even despite that, you can hear the pain in his voice as he tells Eurylochus his decision. He didn't want it to end this way, and it wouldn't have if Eury hadn't killed the cattle. And that's _heartbreaking._
well, with cattle Eurylochus ignores Ody, but he knows what would happen. he just wants the quick death by gods, not starvation (all of the crew actually). cause they are convinced they're never gonna see home, and just so tired
We could say that it wouldn't have ended this way if Eury hadn't killed the cattle but Odysseus saying "I am not letting you get in my way" makes it clear he would not have had an issue sacrificing Eurylochus to the next monster, that is if he wouldn't have killed him right then and there had the rest of the crew not intervened.
I think that perfectly describes the difference between Odysseus and Eurylochus. People say that none of this would have happened if Odysseus hadn't revealed his name, and while that's true, it's not the full truth. While Eurylochus was constantly told why not to do something, he did it anyways. "This bag has the wind. Opening it will release a storm." "Don't kill the cows. They belong to the sun god, and who do you think he'll send?" Given blatant reasons why not to do something, and he ignores it for his own benefit. The thought of treasure. The thought of food. No thought for others. Odysseus on the other hand was only told by Athena. "Don't do it. It's not how I created you." Nothing about pissing off Poseidon. About mercy and ruthlessness. Simply, "I don't want you to."
To clarify the end, during the livestream visualizer that jorge made (which is all confirmed cannon), the animatics did show ody sinking into the ocean with the other crew members bodies floating lifelessly around him. So its safe to say he is already on his own going into the next saga. Side note I absolutely loved the reaction videos, definitely my favorite of all the epic creators and the caption editing style is amazing, love your humor and comments. Cant wait for whatever you do in the (hopefully not so far) future!
Mutiny + Thunderbringer have become my favorite part of Epic so far, and Eurylochus remains my favorite character. Just feel bad for everyone atp, and the dynamic between Eury and Ody is so good. The fact that he still called Ody a friend after the fight (and after Ody made him mark 6 friends for death) is tragic, that ending was the most depressing part of the musical by far
I can't really feel bad for Eurylochus seeing as they would've already been in Ithaca if he didn't open the windbag, plus, he was ready to leave everybody behind at Circe's Island, and then despite Odysseus begging him not to, he killed the cattle and doomed everybody.
@@minimini-_-Poseidon was coming to kill Ody anyway because he stupidly doxxed himself, Eury opening the bag just made it happen sooner. He probably would have stopped them at the sea anyway, or at worst he would flood Ithaca. He was guilty over it and just let the Winions’ whispers get to him. In Puppeteer he wanted to save the lives they had before there were none, and he was technically right since Ody would have died if Hermes didn’t come out of nowhere afterwards. And he had given up hope of returning when he ate the cows, he just didn’t want to die of starvation (hunger makes ppl do crazy things). The fact that they spared Ody and still called him his friend shows it wasn’t out of resentment. They were all just too worn down
@@Phasmania Odysseus was very stupid when he revealed his name but, part of his crew and his best friend just died, and he was holding on to Polities open arms ideology, which isn't enough to make his actions reasonable but you could say he did it cause he was distressed like some if Eurylochus' actions. I'm not gonna say say Odysseus is a good guy, but what I will say is that Eurylochus wasn't that much better. Every character has their flaws and both Odysseus and Eurylochus definitely have a lot of flaws. In my opinion, though, I prefer Odysseus just because I can't stand Eurylochus after the Thunder saga, but hey, that's just my opinion you like whoever you wanna like.
@@minimini-_- Fair enough, to each their own. I just feel like the fact that Ody made Eury hand out torches to mark 6 friends to die when he was already guilty over the bag is borderline malicious. Keep in mind it’s not like he said to pass them out, he could have been a Scylla snack too (tho maybe we’re missing some context). Eury sparing Ody and still clearly caring about him after their fight makes me like him even more
@@PhasmaniaOdysseus was definitely ready to sacrifice Eurylochus after he revealed he opened the windbag, if you saw the live steam animation Eurylochus originally had a torch but it fell out of his hands. Another thing about the livestream animatics is that after Odysseus chooses to save himself the crew including Eurylochus lunged at him trying to kill him. I don't believe Jorge has officially confirmed the animatics to be 100% true, but if he commissioned the animaters himself for this I would assume that that they were true to the story, but who knows.
13:58 It’s absolutely a call back to The Horse and The Infant but also a call back to Survive “My brothers, the rest of the fleet they wait at the beach” While not as in immediate danger like survive. They are starving and hurt. They are trying to *survive* by any means necessary
And mutiny is what Tiresias was talking about when he said, “I see portrayals of betrayals and a brother’s final stand,” (I think) which would be another connection to a different saga
Zeus is also the god of law and order. To right the wrongs done to Helios by Odysseus' crew, Zeus was called to bring justice. And Zeus is cruel, so he gave Odysseus the illusion of choice. This musical is Epic
KJ Burkhauser voices Scylla. She’s amazing. P.S. Luke Holt, the person that sings for Zeus, doesn’t have a really deep voice like Zeus, so hearing Luke actually talk and then hearing him dip to his Zeus voice is just- you’re not prepared for it.
When you're facing a giant six-headed monster, you've got the choice between running or trying for the slim chance to defeat it. Odysseus figured rather than gambling most of everyone on that slim chance, using 6 men as bait while the rest escaped was a better choice. A ruthless one, to be sure - but what else to expect of the monster.
Actually in the musical its possible to make it through Scyllas cave safely if you give her tribute of six men. That's what Odysseus did, which is why he told Eurychleas to light six torches
He sacrificed six men to save the crew because, there were no options left. Sacrifice six men or challenge a creature that even Poseidon feared. In that moment it was the better choice. Sadly.
Also i love how when eurlychous? (forgot how to write his name) is talking about hunger and the cows the lines go same way as zeus' section from horse and infant as if foreshadowing what's to come
When he sings "all these cows to hunt right infront" it also has a similar melody to to the beginning of survive and then the end of mutiny is essentially history repeating itself
I read something about the reason why Odysseus sacrificed six men. Apparently because Scylla has six heads that is why he lit six torches, otherwise she would have destroyed the whole ship and everyone on it so Odysseus picked the lesser of two evils. And im pretty sure he wanted Eurylochus to die along with the other five men because of the secret about opening the bag, that's why he told him specifically to light the six torches.
It’s true. In the live version of the thunder saga , he gives his torch to someone at the last minute so he could try to save another person from being killed
I find it amusing that e-man calls out ody for needing to take all the blame when it was his fault both times where the crew were killed with Poseidon and Zeus. (Wind bag and cow) both times they were on the cusp of reaching the shores of home.
Thank you for the video! I definitely think that “Scylla@ is my favourite song of the saga, but “Thunder Bringer” and “Different Beast” come really close behind
A detail I don't see mentioned enough is that the whole thing with Scylla is that they have to go through a very narrow channel of water, in which there were two monsters: Charybdis and Scylla. Charybdis it's literally a ship-eating monster who can suction boats whole. It wasn't that Odysseus sacrificed six men just because, the matter was that everyone would die eaten by an underwater monster or six die as a sacrifice and everyone else goes home. And if the problem is "Why not kill Scylla?", well the answer is easy, if you stay and fight instead of going away full speed ahead you're giving her enough time to eat those six men and attack more. Odysseus saw his options and did what he thought best to get home. What I do think that is my head-canon is that Odysseus was doubtful of what he was gonna do until Eurylochus said what he said, then Odysseus went "Well, I guess I wasn't in the wrong for this" and told him about the torches. I also think the other five might have been involved with the windbag and were targeted.
The way they would have made it home already if Eurylochus just stayed curious and didn't open the bag 😭 Cause what would he have done with a bag of treasure in the middle of the ocean???
In one of the versions of odyssey Poseidon turned into stone to crush the ship of the guy who helped Odysseus get home just because he knew he cant kill Odysseus (prophecy about him getting home safe) and kinda help to drown 11 of 12 ships when they fight giants so he was capable killing them even without storm, lol Eurylochus just made it easy And it wasn't because of treasure - after polites death, odysseus shut him down two times and running low on food (they didn't have chance to get them in cave, which was the reason why they was there in first place) AND gods minions tempting whispers he did not trust Odysseus as much as before
@@bbgrl-l1s But in the Odyssey, Ithaca was literally in sight of the ship and they were almost docked, why couldn’t he just wait until they actually docked to take the bag and open it? Also idk about you but if a literal raging storm suddenly stops and the captain of my ship who was literally JUST talking to the god of winds says that the bag that he was given was holding the storm, I would believe him because the clues add up. And even if the bag WAS containing treasure I would just think that the treasure it was holding was what stopped the storm. So if Eurylochus didn’t open the bag, I’m pretty sure a lot more men would’ve survived and they would’ve reunited with their families and then they’d have to deal with Poseidon another day. And maybe, hypothetically, Poseidon would’ve flooded Ithaca, but at least they would’ve been able to reunite with their families in the end with a lot less deaths.
I've been such a hater of Zeus (like the character) but dammit I CANNOT STOP listening to Thunder Bringer and jamming out to the instrumentals and amazing vocals of Luke "Thunder" Holt.
Not so fun fact: in mutiny eurylocus and the crew lost hope they oofed the cows to die full but their lives ended because of odysseuss's choice, and I don't think they got to eat sooooo PLUS THEY GOT OOFED BY LIGHTNING :EDITED with help from the comments ty all for helping me out :)
Additional not so funfact, eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches in the animation of the livestream. He pass it to someone else to save the others then realized they were after the ones holding torches basically dooming someone with his own hands.
Yeah, they knew they weren't gonna make it back home, but they killed the cattle so that they would at least die on a full stomach, not because they didn't wanna get sacrificed by Odysseus.
Odysseus knew it was going to happen, which was why in Scylla he was quiet that day, he was dreading having to go in. And while it wasn't great, it was the lesser of two evils. Either 6 men were sacrificed to keep each of Scylla heads busy, or they try to hide in the dark, and have the whole ship be torn apart. Major problem was the crew had gone in completely blind not knowing what they would run into. On top of that Eurylochus was originally holding a torch. So a very near death experience probably isn't helping along with hunger. P.S. - Eurylochus would absolutely have done the same. He wanted to leave behind the men turned into pigs in Circe's island.
14:13 "My brothers. The rest of our fleet, they wait at the beach, and if we're defeated they're good as dead. Straight ahead! That is who we're fighting... OR No backup, no chance for support, so draw out your swords- our foe must be thwarted right here and now, show me how great is your will to Survive!
11:45 Eurylochus literally would’ve done the same though, he already tried back in Circe’s island!😂 “Let’s cut our loses you and I and let’s run” remember? Odysseus gave up 6 men to make sure the rest made it through Scylla alive; 6 men to occupy her 6 heads while they got away. Still terrible, but kind of understandable, and it makes me feel like Eurylochus was being a little hypocritical😅
i mean it's understandable though cause odysseus went from wanting to save everybody to just not caring whoever dies in his way to get home. of course his crew wouldn't trust him anymore
★- Eurylochus is actually consistent in his mind set throughout the Sagas. Where Odysseus is calculating and follows his mind, Eurylochus is emotional and follows his heart. We also know that he is self serving and cowardly, and will run at the drop of a hat, relying on his captain to make decisions he wouldn't have made himself. So when Odysseus makes a decision that he too would have chosen, *which he doesn't deny in the song*, it confirms for him that his Captain sees the crew, and by extension him as expendable. Knowing this he starts a Mutiny out of self preservation, leaving the crew so broken that they are ready to knowingly kill themselves by slaughtering Helios' cattle just so they don't die on empty stomachs
circe and scylla are very different. in circe they had half of their crew still on the ship and eurylochus saw the transformed men as already dead cause he didn't think they could beat circe - which they couldn't before hermes intervened, if it was just odysseus vs circe he would've definitely lost. with scylla odysseus deliberately had six of his men (including eurylochus!) grab a torch to signal to her which ones to eat. i would say odysseus is way more directly responsible for these losses than any others so far. also yeah eurylochus is a hypocrite and a coward, characters need flaws to be good!
@@lellenny Sure picking out 6 men to die isn't very humane but, Odysseus quite literally did not have a choice but to sacrifice the 6 men as they had to go through Scylla's lair to avoid Poseidon and if Odysseus tried to fight Scylla the whole crew would've died, not just the 6.
'Hey Eury, before you get started on this mutiny, you remember that bag I said not to open? We're here because of you, fool!' I feel like Odysseus needed to point that out at some point. I mean they were in sight of home when the bag was opened.
@@rakhimitra2193 Despite that, Ody had gotten them home. Like literally within sight of home. Also, it was in response to his men dying. On the other hand, Eury let abject greed influence his actions. No excuse. I would have fed him to Scylla too.
@@valen2040 except the fact that Odysseus, his men, Penelope and Telemachus all would've died regardless since Odysseus was dumb enough to reveal his location, so regardless of whether or not Eury opened the bag or not, Poseidon wouldn't have spared him and probably would've turned Ithaca into a part of the ocean, and also the fact the storm in the song "Storm" was sent by Poseidon himself to slow him down so he could reach him sooner than later, meaning had Ody not revealed his name, then there'd be no storm, no need to get help from Aeolus, no need for the quarrel over the wind bag
Zeus gives him the option, cuz for him this is a spectacle, an entertainment, he is stepping on ants, but making them dance before their inevitable end. Not to mention that he wants to show Odysseus that he is no better than everyone else, he is not as righteous as he thinks he is, when the knife gets to the bone, he will choose to sacrifice others, instead of himself as the leader and the person who started this, because of his pride and arrogance.
Oddysseus knows that Scylla allways takes six lives, the six torches where meant to show Scylla who her sacrifices are. Oddysseus made Eurylochus choose who to give them to, expecting that he himself would also carry one, Oddysseus was fine with making Eurylochus condemn himself and five more of his men to be devoured by Scylla...
OMG I just found this and I love your reaction!!! Yaaas all the women in this musical have incredible vocals! So does Zeus! I could listen to them sing all day LOL. I love singing, and I've been in an Honors all women's choir before, but these singers make me jealous!!!! Also, I had your same reaction after Scylla. I was so confused. And I'm completely blind so I can't watch the animatics to know what happened. Also, I rely on my ears so much and I am musically inclined, so I love how someone else noticed the musical call-backs! LOL sorry if this was worded weird or anything, it's like nearly 10:30 PM where I am and I should sleep but I can't so I'ma continue watching your Epic reaction videos because they bring me joy LOL.
Do people not like Scylla (the song)? It’s not my favorite in the saga but that doesn’t really mean anything cause this saga is amazing and Scylla (the song) is amazing.
This saga just proves that Eurolychus is a bad person. He opened the wind bag when the crew was close to Ithaca and caused like 90% of their crew to die, and than he tells that information to Odysseus when they're in scylla's lair and she is literally breathing down their necks, than he has the guts to blame Odysseus for the death of six men (the irony) and then he dooms them by eating the sun God's cows, and he acts so self-righteous about the whole thing too!! He is selfish!!! He has been selfish and , the entire time. He betrayed Odysseus and he still wanted Odysseus to die for them after all the shit he put the man through, every man on that ship that betrayed Odysseus deserved to die. Odysseus might have been a bad person who made bad choices but when it really came to it he always made sure his crew was save even at the expense of his own life, so he didn't deserve this from those bastards. He only wanted to go home and they all wouldve made it home if it hadn't been for Eurolychus who didn't trust Odysseus enough and opened the damn wind bag
Go back to the first song when he talks to the sirens. To go through the lair of scylla has a cost. He had 6 torches lit because they were the cost, his men.
I feel like yapping about Scylla because you said you don't know anything about her mythology so Scylla used to be a nymph, a naiad (water nymph), I think she lived in the same palace as Circe and her siblings. Glaucus (a fisherman who became a sea-god) fell in love with her, but Circe was in love with Glaucus already. In jealousy, Circe transformed her into the monster she is now by poisoning her bathwaters. The current Scylla is portrayed in ancient Greek sculptures to have 12 feet and six heads on long, snake-like necks. She and Charybdis live in the same waters on two opposite sides, so even if Odysseus wanted to take another path without being caught by Poseidon, he'd have to face Charybdis instead. I don't know how accurate this is, but this is just what I happened to read so if anyone knows if this is correct or not please tell me !! :)
zeus: -hiding away where only *I* can undress her~ winions (aka fans): with that voice you can also undress *me* god I'm so normal about zeus's voice 🤣😭💚⚡ I wish he was my wife 🤩🤌😍
So Scylla has a female head and torso alongside six serpentine heads eating with three rows of shark like teeth her lower half is basically like cerberus but with twelve legs instead of four. She became this way because Circe was asked by her crush to make a love potion for Scylla, after confessing her feelings she got rejected and decided to curse Scylla.
During Thunder Bringer when we hear the callback to Suffering I love to picture like a lone siren that escaped the slaughtering of her sisters and is tailing the boat, knowing one if not all is about to perish. At first I didn't think it could compete with my favorite, The Underworld Saga, but after listening to this Saga over 20 times I think we got some competition. At first the first three songs were tied for favorite but honestly they're all so good and hard to pick just one.
I like to think it's Zeus on his manipulative shenanigans again using a projection to show Odysseus what he truly wants on the inside. He's used Penelope's voice before (especially present in the new version of 'Horse and The Infant' so what would stop him from doing it again?
@AgentI0I I know that's what Ostsseus says but he's assuming monster or something else. It's just basic Mythology no one "sends" Zeus anywhere. He may be petitioned to take action but no one commands or sends him anywhere lol.
@@AgentI0I He might've asked, but Zeus has all authority over the gods as the King of Olympus, so no one can really send him anywhere. He's the one that does the sending most of the time
Eurylochus open bag is his mistake but he not inten to hurt any one but Odysseus intentionally sacrificing 6 men to Scylla of course the crew choose to joine Eurylochus
@@dragonstouch1042 well Eurylochus think about other man that still alive they don't know they can chang those people back and he not wrong about that if Hermes not show up Odysseus is finish
@@kinggame40 what he not try to abandon anyone there he just tell Odysseus that they all should run cause he don't know Odysseus plan and there other Cyclopes
What I think is that Odysseus mistake was driven by grief while Eurylochus was driven by greed. What do you even do with a treasure in the middle of the ocean?
@@flaviomastrodomenico3800 they weren’t even going to take it from him. They just wanted to know what was inside. because if it had to be so important that their captain kept it from them, then they really needed to know all those years at sea probably didn’t do them any favors and increased their desperation tenfold
Spoiler the next saga will be posiden and the new charater when ody saids i'm not your man is in the troy saga i'm just a man 3 tines so is about this enemy is brain washing Odysseus to betray his love for Penelope so i like the come backs like get in the water and other songs
Zuze kills the rest of odyssey man and odyssey is the only one alive and now he is on cylipso iland and Athena has to convince all of the other gods to let him go but now we are at the man character which is tlemuges now we are on his story
Idk if I'm fucking crazy but that's what you fucking get?? He literally opened the bag. They would have been home?????? Fuck you eurylochus? They would have been home years ago if the bag stayed shut. He then tried to sacrifice everyone to circe to escape. Hell dude he shot the sheep of polyphemus dude. None of any of this shit would have happened if eurylochus died in the trojan war. Then he killed his entire crew or his captain with 0 care for repercussions when he killed the cow. HE GAVE UP AGAIN. LIKE COME ON DAWG. They guilt tripped odysseus into thinking he was the only person to blame and essentially told him to give up his ideals. So he became rutheless. Handing out the torches to the six sacrifices was for sure ruthless but they made him like that. and then he still got upset at odysseus like he didnt know what he would choose since they turned him into a ruthless monster. And back on the hypocrite train but LITERALLY A DAY AFTER GETTING MAD AND FIGHTING ODYSSEUS FOR SACRFICING MEN, HE THEN GOES ON TO SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE CREW SO HE COULD GET HIS PROTEIN IN. LIKE DUDEEEEEE. The point isn't odysseus did nothing wrong.the point is they really gaslight him into thinking he was the only person who did wrong.
Eurylochus didn’t want to leave everyone on Circe’s island, just the few men that came with him to Circe’s palace and got turned into pigs. He thought there was no way to bring them back and told Odysseus to “think about the men that you still have before there are none”. He’s always been the voice of the crew. The backing vocals when he says “And hunger is so heavy” shows that the rest of the crew agree with the decision. Many have said this before, but it’s like Eurylochus and their crew knew they weren’t gonna make it, so they decided to go out on their own terms, i.e on a full stomach
You know, while reading your comment, I'm reminded of a saying I heard in a video a couple of months ago. When we sympathize with a character, we find it easier to put the blame for their suffering on another person. But here's the facts of the situation. There's a difference between making mistakes that cost lives and consciously sending people to their deaths.
@@olivernielsen2211 did eurylochus not do the same this when he killed the cow? I'm not saying odysseus did the right thing I said he's a monster multiple times. But you can't act like nobody else did anything wrong.
@@fegreninja7197 I could say the same for odysseus dude. He didn't want to feed his whole crew to syllabus just the few who had torches. He thought there was no other way and where is eurys think about those men now? The backing vocals also just don't back him up when his talking about killing the cow. They're there when he's talking about how much longer do we suffer now. I'd wonder that too. But you can't get mad at odysseus killing 6 when eurylochus killed more
@@olivernielsen2211 right and it's right there in your comment. You're putting everything on odysseus and ignoring every stupid thing eurylochus has done, or even polites for that matter.
