THE TIER LIST FOR LADDER SMASH 

"We tried to keep this as short as possible" The video: 33 minutes

Isn’t sephiroth a multi jump character because of his one wing

If you fast fall with characters like piranha plant, k.rool etc you can grab the ladder faster instead of barely grabbing the ladder

You guys forgot Matt, sans, and Rex, Matt in particular is my main

There is a way to get blocks, by mining down air if you place it on a block

Everyone Else: What? That's useless, why would we need that change? BSD: THIS HAS COMPLETELY SHIFTED THE META

@@mr.thekid3827 lol

Its not a patch it will be an update

nintendo is the publisher, dummy

Finally. The most useless tier list

Especially since mega man is number 1

Aaayyy! Nice catch! This comment deserves more love!

How did I not notice this?! I always notice unintentional puns. I guess Mega Man will always have the _upper hand_ in Ladder Smash. ᕙ(°~°®> ...Or is it *downer* hand in this case???

took me 30 seconds to realize what this meant...

@@ArjunRaviFunniestManOnEarth pls explain

@@t0xtricity2 Mega Man’s hand detaches for his down air so he’s left single handed during the animation

Ike: True dat

Roy: dats true

Roy: Then why am I in b tier

i, for one, didn't, and went straight to optimizing its meta

Well not quite^^ He does have one pretty good stock, and that makes the difference :p

@@BeefySmashDoods

Its min min

@@yowoody1868 ask the creators of the arms game they will say mien mien

Bro... it literally says Min min in both smash brothers and ARMS.

Can you make the ladder spin?

@@presion5628 it'd push you off as you go onto the side I've tried this before

insert Elec Man joke here

Crash Man would like to know your location

Oh hello.

@@SenjuPapi Hello

@@SenjuPapi do you prefer the air

@@JohnLover1179 lollll

That's sad for him :c

@Roger Loe We made Joker bad and that's what matters to me.

Brawl?

@@JohnLover1179 fox wasn’t that bad in brawl. He was somewhere in upper mid tier mainly because 3 characters just absolutely hard countered him

@@shrike_8136 Also hitstun

Mii gunner also seems really good. Their up air is super disjointed and strong. Their dair is not that good but both the kick and the projectile up bs (I don't know their english names) can give good coverage below them on top of being decent recoveries #DontForgetMii

Yo how do you make the spawning platforms drop?

@@doenerman00 theres a setting to make it get affected by gravity, then just set it so that it doesn't respawn

Well depends on the plant, some plants have sexes others don't

Yes I agree hahaga

Ladder smash tournaments confirmed?

Here before this is the top comment

I agree

Ur in NBs discord, little z's discord AND you're in every youtube comment section.

True

You can jump around him on the ladder. The reason why hydrant or hard knuckle is broken is because they have such big range, and knuckle doesn't have a ton of end-lag

@@leofont6026 that’s fair, but can’t you predict them jumping around and climb up while doing the d-air?

He'd actually be pretty good on a "who has the worst recover" tier list 😃

Melee Dr Mario was decent right

@@nucleartree8159 true, but I meant in ultimate

Dr mario is actually op, I don't think he needs buffs

He would get my vote as top-tier for the coolest back throw.

That's really bad A miracle he got in teir two

@@thunderstar7682 yeah his only saving grace is that his up air is pretty decent even without tools and that he has a very good recovery. apart from that he is NOT made for this mode lmao

Lmao they said that

​@@willmaster1920 they still stev was pretty low tho

yes.

I mean it's Bayo. What do you expect?

I mean almost all animations in this game are excellent, but true and I agree

Literally...

He'll never do it

"You ain't no ladder fighter either, Mac."

I mean it's Bayo. What do you expect?

I didn't know the up air thing. Is it doing a single or multiple up airs? or held? this could be useful for normal competitive matches

@@slipknotfya all can work. though it doesn't affect normal jumps, it definitely helps after using side b or up b w/ no jump left

unless it's using the battlefield material list, it will really only be iron.

@@laboa6860 well iron lasts much longer, so you’ll be able to mine more

@@contestforcolonization4947 if you mine a block you place, you won't get anything from it (I think, I don't know)

@@laboa6860 I meant place tnt on the iron block and mine that

@@contestforcolonization4947 oh, ok, though using iron for blocks can be wasteful, it's better than nothing

This is true, but stalling in the air with a character that struggles to recover is not a virtue.

Yeah but what really threw me off was treating plant as a she

frankly, female byleth is the only one worth using, so you may as well just pretend that male byleth is just a really butch lady

@@roycks12 that’s because she is

@@FioreFire nah fam byleth is trash

@@FioreFire I strongly disagree. I like the designe of male Byleth more. But I like the style of Female byleth as well. But i still have nightmares about female byleth from the cutszenes from three houses xD

I know right lol

That hurt me

It wounds me, please acknowledge the guys versions

It has a decent amount of practial use in regular Smash, though. Just not here.

@@angelmendez-rivera351 I would like to respectfully disagree. Even knowing how the controls work, I cannot say how many times I’ve accidentally SD’d because I pressed just slightly diagonal up for just a bit too long instead of a cardinal direction. I think the controls of Teleports like Zelda and Mewtwo are far more logical, or even if it controlled a little more like Greninja or Pikachu Up Bs. ...this coming from the guy named “Diamond Aura” with the Riolu pfp... I wish Lucario was less gimmicky with basically everything in his kit. With how extremely Aura works (if base power was better but Aura did less that would probably be better), the controls on Up B, the lack of a spike on Dair second hit, Side B midair being almost useless since it can’t command grab, and other things... but unfortunately, his main selling point is “get hit a lot and hit back harder”, and the rest of his kit really suffers from lack of good composition. I’d totally take Aura getting nerfed significantly if he could get some of those other things adjusted.

@@Diamond_Aura I acknowledge your disagreement, but I know of many skilled Lucario players who also agree with what I stated. So I do not think the controls are inherently problematic. It could be that maybe the character does not fit your playstyle as well as you previously thought.

@@angelmendez-rivera351 perhaps play style is indeed my own personal issue, but I must also cite tournament performance and even just highlights like YEET and Dragon Smash. Lucario CAN do cool stuff and has the ability to win tourneys... but more often than not, the clips that include Lucario (regardless of which type of video it’s for) will be of Lucario being the one losing. And while other characters have more complex movesets, Lucario’s still boils down to “I hit harder since you damaged me”. He has little ability to gimp or take early stocks if he is winning/has no Aura, therefore meaning Lucario is only good if you feel like you think you can clutch better than your opponent. I understand he brings a unique idea to the table in terms of his play style, but I still think it could be implemented better, and I feel that tournament performance reflects the idea that he’s basically a mid tier at best in most matchups. Small alterations to his mechanics could do wonders while still keeping the Aura mechanic in existence, just not making it his only feature (similar to how many DLC characters have other types of clutch factors like Arsene or Go! or Winged Form, but those things do not define the character they are attached to, only aid in the ease of execution)

@@Diamond_Aura *but I must also cite tournament performance and even just highlights like YEET and Dragon Smash.* Tournament performance is fine to cite, but you are severely mistaken if you think the highlights amount to anything, let alone convince me of anything. The entire point of these highlights is that they showcase things which are, in a sense, unusual, and make those matches in particular different from the typical match. This is not to say there is no valuable information to gain fron these highlights, but you are not going to be able to establish a meaningful statistical trend from these. *but more often than not, the clips that include Lucario (regardless of which type of videos it's for) will be of Lucario losing.* Leaving aside whether this is true or not, it is unclear to me that this demonstrates anything in particular about his recovery or about his gimmicks. If we are talking about how Lucario performs in tournaments, in general, then sure, I am willing to grant his results are not the best, but this misses the point, as I never claimed he was a top-tier character or a character with excellent tournament results. Besides, tournament results by themselves are a poor measure for how good characters are. For example, Marth has worse tournament results than many of the low-tier characters in SSBU, but no one would actually believe he is a low-tier character, as he is definitely better than most of the cast. The problem is that, why would you play as Marth when you can play as Lucina? As a result, Marth is severely underrepresented, and those who do choose to play him are usually players whose skills are far from the best. Does this apply to Lucario? No. I am not claiming that Lucario is underrepresented. I am simply proving a point about how tournament results, *by themselves,* are far from a reliable measure of how good characters are, and all I did was provide an example. Anyway, this is derailing, since to begin with, I never claimed Lucario was a top tier to begin with. My only claim in this whole conversation about Lucario was regarding the utility of his recovery, and in response to this, you went on a rant about how Lucario *in general* is not a great character. *And while other characters have more complex movesets, Lucario's still boils down to "I hit harder since you damaged me"...* This has nothing to do with how good Lucario is, though. There are characters with complex movesets that are really good, like Shulk or Peach, and also characters with complex movesets that are very mediocre. There are characters with very simplistic movesets that are bad, but also characters with very simplistic movesets that, nonetheless, are very good, like Lucina. Moveset complexity has a rather weak correlation to how good a character is. Also, I feel compelled to clarify yet again, that I never actually intended to argue that Lucario is a top-tier character or not. In fact, I will be frank and admit that I have no idea what is Lucario's tier placement. This does not matter, because I never made any claims about how fun Lucario is or how good he is. All I said is that the recovery has a lot of utility, and that I know of many Lucario players, some of whom I would say are rather skilled, that agree with that judgement. This has no major implications regarding how good Lucario is overall, and the fact that you felt compelled to explode and begin a rant about Lucario as a whole tells me that you have a personal problem with this character that goes far beyond just his recovery. *He has little ability to gimp or take early stocks if he is winning/has no Aura, therefore meaning Lucario is only good if you feel like you can clutch better than your opponent.* Again, this definitely sounds like your problem with this character is definitely personal, and with regards to playstyle, and what you are doing is justify this dislike for the gimmicks by arguing that in he performs somewhat mediocrely in tournaments. Given that you began all of this solely from me saying his recovery has utility, it definitely sounds like you needed some steam to release about this character, which, to me, communicates that you maybe should not be playing the character, as it seems to really bother you somehow. I am not judging you for wanting your character to be a top tier, but if you are unable to enjoy the character's gimmicks solely for that reason, then that further confirms that this is a playstyle incompatibility problem. This is not something I can help you with, either way. It is not as though I can do anything to change how well Lucario performs in tournaments. And I could be wrong about all of this, but the way you are phrasing things definitely communicate to me what I said above. *I feel that tournament performance reflects the idea he's basically a mid tier at best in most match ups.* In a game with this many characters and this much balance, being "mid tier at best" is far from bad, especially when the game is more unbalanced with regards the bottom tier, and not the top tier. Regardless, you are right that Lucario's performance in tournaments could be improved by tweaking his moveset. But once again, I fail to understnd what is motivating you to tell me this, knowing that I never said anything regarding his performance. Again, I hate to repeat myself, but it is very hard to not to repeat myself in these circumstances: it very much does seem like this problem is personal, between you and the character, seeing that you had this much to rant about when I said so little. And when there are other players that do not have as much of a problem with the gimmicks as you seem to have, even if they agree that he is not a top tier, it is difficult to not think this is not a playstyle compatibility problem. As such, I have no idea what else I am supposed to say here. I am not saying you definitely have a playstyle compatibility problem, but your rant and your phrasings very strongly suggest it in these circumstances.

Yes

bet you’ll mention how villager can’ grab ledge with up special until he goes into freefall which would be super punishable in your stage

No its not :/ its not oficial

he can get infinity blocks and stay away for eva .3. using block and quick tnt into grind

Oh wait I didn't actually think about how regrabbing could be a combo extension rather than a combo breaker. Dang that's interesting. Probably the main thing that makes samus and dark samus good as well.