The Tragic Downfall Of Mama Cass 

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I Saw Her Again ........

How Perfectly And Eloquently.Stated ! She Was Beautiful !🌿

Thanks heavens she left them all behind

@@SassyyjuicyMaria Lost my more detailed comment. Yes ! And she left them in the dust at a crucial moment. She was so kind she would not have wished that on them but I hope she realized how valuable she was in not being there at the induction to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. I really love it that they bombed without her ! 🌿

I totally agree 😁

Cass made that band

Thanks for sharingc, such a cool memory of her!

Thank You so much for that❤ that is a much more fitting legacy for a wonderful lady who will always be remembered for her beautiful voice..God bless you and your family. R.I.P. Cass 🕊🕊🕊you beautiful soul🕊🕊🕊

I have a friend who looks like her who was large but lost weight. So she doesn't look as much like Cass. Grew up in the 60s

Thank you for sharing. Means more than you'll ever know. I'm sure.

Wow! What an honor to know such a beautiful soul

He slept with his own daughter.

Jealousy is never good

John Phillips rented a house for a while in my hometown in Jersey. Supposedly trashed it. A lot of drugs, and his daughter....So many possibilities that people just ruin through their own falts and meanness.

Got that right! He was the worst…an incestuous pedo! 😮😮😮

And thus, what is J Phillips eternal reward? Forgive him Father. L

That's kind of what I was thinking. She took advantage of the situation but they took advantage of her first and way more often.

I caught that too. That was no doubt poorly worded. In fact, to call it inaccurate would be an understatement.

Amen

If only the Turth came out about John

​@@user-nu6gl8io8fit did come out

Once a pedo always a pedo!

​@@user-nu6gl8io8fAnd Michelle!

Also she wrote the words and music herself!

Loved her music and her. Rip 💔

Still my favorite email singer.

I loved her. I was sad when she died.

Totally agree

Yes, it's terrible. Unfortunately, she was born and performing in the Era of television. In the earlier days, Kate Smith was the most famous American singer, and her rendition of God Bless America made her famous. Yet, if Kate Smith had been performing in the Era of television., she probably never would have become famous. It's even worse now. Name one famous female singer who isn't attractive and sexy. With computer technology, you don't even have to be able to carry a tune now. They can even auto tune live performances. I doubt there will be another famous Kate Smith or Cass Elliott.

Amen! Us big Lady's are still Human Being's. ❤️ 💙 💜 💖 💗 ❤️

@Suzy1959 Not only that, but of you notice, many opera singers are on the bigger side; they have larger chest cavities, and use this advantage to sing in a higher or lower octave and nailing the note without screaming it. Also, this is why if you put a really good countertenor like Jarrousky against female sopranos, he sounds better. Larger chest cavity. Before music and art were purely about sex, light shows, how hot the band was, it was actually about art and music! Can you imagine such a thing? Look at Itzhak Pehrlman. Arguably one of the best musicians in his generation., yet he had polio, needs a cane, ( and hot he's not), but his talent is stellar Imagine if an orchestra said to him, " Sorry, the audience is going to be young, so we're going to need a light shows, some explosions, and he's going to need to twerk, bump and grind while playing. So, we'll get someone hot, who can.at least make it look convincing, give him an instrument with a mic set up and ear phones and he can play along to to track. Can you imagine if everyone from Bach, Dowland, Purcell to DaVinci, Michelangelo were given no chances because they didn't fit the beauty standards of the day? It's getting to the point where EVERYTHING has to be able to trigger people sexually; aside from the fact that if you download music, you are usually listening and not always watching,. Although, to quote my father ( gone for many years now) even if you were totally interested in a person just for their sexiness, what will you do with the other 23 hours in a day? Well, you end up like Grant Amato, stealing almost 275k from his family and friends, just so he can sit and gaze at her for hours a night along with other guys and pretend she liked him Smh.

Agree 💯

Interesting you mention them together. Both has very unhealthy relationships with food. Karen Carpenter died of anorexia nervosa related heart disease.

Yes, you are right! I didn't think of it that way. Sad no matter how you look at it isn't it?!@@joycekellner9957

I agree. Both should've had a better life. Sad.😢❤❤

And Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez cheers from Montreal

My favorite

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My late husband & I used to sing this song together....❤

"hold fast" (1Thess.5 :21)!

Aww I know it was.I loved me some Mama Cass Elliot 💓,She is Sorely Missed and Loved Always ♥️ SIP Beautiful

Saw her in Frisco. Always saw her with her button. Loved her!❤❤

Because thinness is all that matters

John Phillips was a creep!

Ummm yeah... I'm pretty sure inc*st qualifies him for that.

I was thinking the same thing while watching this....he's a sick weirdo if everything is true about him

He was a cretin.

That is so true.

Absolutely true!

She was very important for their sound, but to counter your argument: John Phillips wrote nearly all of their songs. John and Michelle co-wrote California Dreamin’. Denny Doherty was a songwriter and as a guitarist helped with developing John’s songs. Cass Elliott didn’t write songs. She couldn’t play any instrument. By definition she was a tag-a-long, always dependent on other people’s masterpieces. Two of her best known solo singles (Dream a Little Dream of Me, Make Your Own Kind of Music) were by every definition cover songs. Bands combine the individual talents of their members, and each member is important.

Not exactly true ; he may have been a jerk but John Philips was an excellent songwriter.

​@@53snuckplum The devil often gifts his most ardent minions with alluring talents.

LITERALLY BILLIONS LISTEN

and some teeth too

@@contour157 But you are perfect, right? Not on the inside, sadly.

Thanks, Kelly!

@@kellydalstok8900 But you have the perfect inside, eh!? You're like a saintly role model for humanity... LMAO!!!

Gobsmacked...

Stacey, do you know if any of them are even still alive? It makes me wonder.👋👋♥️

@@sheilagravely5621Michelle Phillips is still alive. ( as is MacKenzie P) but all others have passed on

They were all talented. Bring aholes to Cass doesn't mean they lacked talent. John wrote most of their songs, Michelle cowrote some, had a beautiful voice, and was also a decent actress.

With the exception of Michelle ,none of them were great shakes in the looks department. Kind of hypocritical.

Total bs. They were talented and would have made it without her. She was lucky they let her into the band. Her story is indeed a sad one but taking pot shots at her band mates is wrong

As the saing goes, "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes"

That sandwich line made me so angry

I believed that as well...what a mean public !

I remember my mom telling me that story 😢

Me too! Believing all this time she died from choking on a sandwich. 🤬 Mean people suck.

@@contour157 Ahole.

​@@contour157 🙄 Virgin

​@@contour157 goōfy azz

I have auditioned many and when the rare great singer comes along you know it in seconds audition over. Then it is a matter of do you all have the same goals can you all at least tolerate each other.

your such an angry little troll@@contour157

Karen Carpenter was not overweight but Cass was grossly obese - a sloppy fat!

Indirectly ... Karen's own actions are what led to her untimely death ...

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Karen Carpenter had a mental disorder anorexia.

@@heydeanie Choices - hers cost her life ...

It's almost as if human beings are individuals, and there is more to size than "calories in/calories out" and the "everyone knows" so-called "common sense" weight control techniques THAT KILL PEOPLE>

Watch Gary Taubes Good Calories, Bad Calories lecture or read the book. It is a hard read, but knowledge is power. It is the history of diet and nutritional studies. And you have been lied to all your life. We all have. The Adventist cult controls most nutritional studies in North America. Harvard sold their scientific soul to the Adventist cult food industry agenda over half a century ago. Adventist. Think Kellogg and Post. The old 1950s British human health diet in the prologue of Good Calories will work for most people. Fourteen years now. I also recommend watching Dr. Chris Knobbe Are vegetable oils the primary driver of obesity and diabetes. The other issue could be food allergies. It did not matter what I did until I got gluten out of my diet. Issues with gluten started at age 5 and stopped at 47 when I figured it out. I also must avoid lugumes. Try going carnivore for 2 or 3 weeks. Keep a diary. Add back one real food a week. It could be more than one thing causing the issues. Keep a diary. Weigh yourself the morning of and the morning after. A massive jump in weight, and I am going to guess you know exactly what I am talking about, is a sign of inflammation. Rashes, constipation, diarrhea, arthritis are all signs of food allergies and intolerance. If you add back something like soy sauce, write all ingredients. It has both wheat and soy. Both can cause issues. Both are grass and all grass has gluten. A little history. The nutritionalist who did the research for the food pyramid refused to have her name on it after the senator in charge let his Adventist cult food industry buddies change it to the monstrosity that came out. She warned them if they put it out and people followed it that there would be a massive increase in obesity, diabetics, heart attacks, strokes, depression, dementia, autoimmune disease, cancer, etc. She was right. But instead of admitting their mistake they did the vegan gaslighting thing of blaming the victims of their bad advice and pointing out the few that could stay slim, if not healthy on their death diet. Add Poly Ovarian Syndrom, PMS, autism, ADHD, low testosterone, messed up thyroid and likely much more to the list. Then in the 90s a vegan group hiding under the name Science in the Public Interest pushed to have dangerous seed oils replace natural animal fats at restaurants. Eighty percent of obese and fat people have metabolic syndrome. Sixty percent of normal and thin people also have metabolic syndrome. Americans eat 100 less calories than 20 years ago. Yet obesity has increased. Big red flags. Something to think about. Regular refinded grains are grass. So called healthy whole grains are grass. Seed, vegetable oils are grass. Cane sugar is grass. HFCS is grass. Artificial colors often grass based. Many artificial preservatives are grass based. These make up most of the products sold as a well balanced diet. Grass.

Me too

I often wonder what it would be like if we were all blind and judged people on their personalities and talents and kindness to others. It seems as though fat shaming is the only thing that's allowed. You can't be racist or sexist or any other "ist" but you can make fun of people because of the way they look. Criticizing others says more about the people who criticize than it does about the people they criticize.

@renae9365 Same thoughts... tragic

I so agree, Karen and Cass, the most beautiful voices.

if cass had given karen the ham sandwich, they'd both be alive today

​@@tonyborelli.GTFROOH YW

Really so tragic

Angels can fly …

I am with you regarding bullies. I am sorry you lost your job because of it. I’ve recently reported to corporate HR the person at my job who has bullied me for years. Hopefully something will change as a result. Best wishes to you.

She is, for sure ❤🙏🙏🙏

I am so sorry this happened to you. ❤

im 62 and i also love her voice. I hate bullies too and have always intervined when I come across bullying...am very sorry this happened to you. I believe mama cass is flying high on the otherside and lives on in her music and daughter

Beautifully put!

She had one of the most beautiful voices. Ever.

Tell me again that fatshaming doesn't put lives at risk.

Some people are addicted to drugs, gambling, sex, food. Every body is addicted to what makes them feel better and for whatever reason some people are addicted to being Aholes. Either way nobody should cause another person to feel so bad that they lose their life because of it. I wish I could say that the world has changed but it hasn't. 🙏Some day though I pray it will. I know many people who have suffered from fad diets and starving themselves to fit into this society, to look like everybody else. I wish that those people knew that they are wonderful just the way they are.

​@@MetalxxDragonessYou worded that so beautifully. ❤

I saw an interview with her where she talked about her weight. She said that she lost weight once and just couldn’t carry the notes in the same way and that’s why she put the weight back on.

I must say that the vocal Harmony between Denny and Mama Cass was quite unique..& beautiful. Mama Cass did have one of the great singing and recognizable voices of her era.. and John Phillips was the main writer and arranger of the music.. as great as Mama Cass was she was not The Mamas & the Papas.. that is selling the band short..

I agree! A waste of a beautiful woman and talent. It appalls me how she was treated. They were nothing without her ❤

Yes 👍🏽 Exactly

You also have a thumb pointing at them. So it’s actually 2/3 ratio, not bad, not bad at all.

Obesity is a disease, similar to other addictions, a cunning and deadly disease. The shame of it should stop, it's a physical disease like someone with heart disease or any other kind of disease. If you don't have it you'll never understand

Do not make assumptions and what she had or not.

It does seem she had immune system issues..my niece has a similar appearance and now in her late 40’s finally got a diagnosis of cardio immune condition. I thought of Cass watching my niece grow up who like Cass unique and wonderful.

@@laceysilver5714 And you are?

yup. any generic soprano could have stood in for Michelle, but Cass was one of a kind.

I love all Michelle's solo hit songs.

Mid-chelle

Michelle was not a good singer and she definitely wasn’t a nice person. She was aboard a transatlantic cruise that I was on, part of the entertainment. When we got to NYC, she pushed me out of the way to take a picture of the Statue of Liberty but didn’t say a word while she did it. She also bragged about dismissing Cass’s affection for Denny when she ( Michelle) slept with him.

I don't think they would have made it without her. She had an incredible voice

I saw a t-shirt decades ago that I still remember. The printing stated...I'm fat and you're ugly, but I can always lose weight. I took it to mean ugly on the inside. That doesn't change. I have known and loved many overweight people. I don't remember even one that was cruel or a bully. The opposite in fact.

@@nancygodsey8312 I was always tiny till they took out my tonsils at 12. When I was 15 my dad's friend called me fat. I starved myself till I was 96 pounds. People don't realize the harm they cause teen girls.

Women today are shamed for being slim and beautiful or fat and ugly. They are shamed for being stupid or smart and gentle or kind. It doesn’t matter what people say women just need to live their lives the way they are.

@@LinA-it9vd Agreed.

Yes the way she was treated was ugly and should remind us that Cass was as brave as she could be under the circumstances. For those receiving similar decisive “distractions” and abuse, please- Rock On!

Devise

She was perfectly beautiful, with a beautiful voice.

Yes I agree Cass Elliot a awesome singer had a awesome voice ❤

@@susansmith4749 Be honest. Her voice was beautiful but obesity is not . Tragic that correct dietary advice was not available at that time. Keto diet would have been her salvation.

@@91dodgespiritrt Stupid!

@@91dodgespiritrt But she did not know enough to get those teeth fixed

@@91dodgespiritrtthat is not how she died. They made that up to make her look bad.

Yeah Michelle was a regular town bike and can't believe she claims to be friends with the late beautiful Sharon Tate when she was getting her back blown out by Roman Polanski in the UK while Sharon was waiting and begging for his return to Cielo Drive as Sharon was due anytime for there birth of there first child Paul Richard but her life was cut short by The Manson Mob on August 9,1969. Yeah nice bloody friend you turned out to be Michelle and your just as fucked up as your ex husband John.🤦😳😡😡😡😡

CASS Elliott was Jewish.

Unfortunately it has gone to the other extreme. Obesity is celebrated, now. We need a middle ground. Being fat is not good/healthy, but no shaming.

Not really. The other guy that sang lead on that song was quite good.

Amen, sister.

They were just jealous.

​​@@maxsdad538wow is your opinion the only one that counts? You couldn't have stated you comment without being so rude?😮

​@@user-ur2yr5db9cobviously he cant help it

@@maxsdad538 you have no idea who you’re talking to. My father played back up to MANY GREATS ..Michelle’s voice was subpar at best. To each his own-but don’t presume you are the authority on talent.

@@user-ur2yr5db9c I wasn’t being rude. I was just stating an opinion.

@@user-ur2yr5db9c you’re the RUDE one. Go be rude to your FIVE subscribers.

Absolutely! It’s such a shame that female singers that are bigger often don’t get their proper dues or recognition as they should be getting.

Yes I agree 💯 awesome voice ❤Cass Elliot

She had a lot of confidence though. Good for her.

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EXACTLY!, THE OTHERS WERE NOTHING WITHOUT HER!

You’ll find her singing with John Denver also … if u haven’t already …😅

She was a side show. A laughing stock.

@@91dodgespiritrt live stock.. a moo moo in a mumu

your just here to be a dumb little troll oh poor baby@@91dodgespiritrt

​@@91dodgespiritrtCass was the voice of the Mama's and the Papa's!!! RIP Cass❤

Yes I agree awesome singer 💓 Cass Elliot

Same here. Getting called skinny, eat a burger, you weigh (add low number here) soaking wet, or having your in-laws always saying look at her body..can you believe she has 3 kids and she’s so skinny…. It’s all so annoying and unnecessary. Why should anyone be staring or commenting at me because of my weight? It’s so uncomfortable. Then we are not allowed to mention weight because of being skinny. Saying I eat acorns and pine needles.

EXACTLY!

Me too🙂

me too

I also thought that!

Yes, me too. I never knew their names, either. She is the only memorable person in the group.

And me.

She was a friend to all communists.

Did she live in Laurel Canyon? That was a whole 'nother culture in L.A.

They disagree on that. Some credit Joni Mitchell. Also, she paired up other artists. She introduced John Sebastian and Zal Yanovsky, the heart of the Lovin' Spoonful. (It's mentioned in the song "Creeque Alley.")

My dad was a wannabe superstar musician back in those days, he used to say that he figured David Crosby would turn out to be the father of every kid in the Hollywood Hills! I was pretty young so I didn't get it at the time.

I totally agree 🙏🏻🩷

That's right she sang better than all them

BULLSHIT. John Phillips was the songwriter and those songs made them - AND HER - THE SLOB.

Scumbags. Phillips destroyed his life and his daughter

It sounds like the other three--especially John Phillips--had no sense of shame.

LOVE how you call yourself years young. I am going to have to adopt that! I say to myself “I’m so old”, but I don’t feel old in spirit. Shoot, if by God’s grace eternity is ahead I am a spring chicken. 😂

😮

I'm 65-years young, also, (July 1959) and it's a pleasure to come across your post here. The times they are a-changin' still rings true today, but our generation reaped the best this country has offered... IMHO. Today, we're seeing the worst of outright ugly our generation has ever witnessed in this country. Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine the hatred we're witnessing... and from self-described Christians aka Christian Nationalists who've weaponized the Bible, which had already been used when I was growing up, as a means of controlling others. The Jesus I know was a loving man who accepted all beings. If alive today, I dare think Jesus would accept the narratives being espoused in his name. These are scary times indeed.

Her daughter is well. :) I saw a video here on RU-vid that you could probably find easily. She was catching up with Chynna Phillips who is still a good friend.

Friends with another tragic figure John Denver another pure voice

I agree! Curious if your phone changes your "o's" to "i's" too! Mine does this too! 😮

​@@sherrih6375lol I thought it was my eyes! lol

@@IndecentAngels My phone is constantly confusing me with it's insane autocorrect. 😂

Exactly like Sinead O'Connor

@@anovemberstar It's been said that God gives his toughest assignments to his mightiest warrior's. She was a Queen Warrior. What exactly is wrong with our society that it's deemed acceptable to engage in the fat shaming, and mom shaming of this beautiful woman, while sucking her voice dry for another session of her beautiful singing gifts?

Really only two songs I liked but liked Cass's solo songs np.

I believe after she died they got paid in kind for their shameful treatment of the star of the show, the irreplaceable star of the show. The band broke up in 1968, got back together for a short time in 1971 and mama Cass died enough 1974. It all went to sh*t fast.

Absolutely... the best ever !!!

Mine too!!!

Aye, that was magic.

Omg how incredible is that cover! It's one of my favorites of all time

This is true, but all that fasting on top of probably some substance abuse wouldn't have done her immune system any favors. A compromised immune system would have played a part in her coming down with so much illness all at once.

It sure can affect the immune system , the ability to fight infection.

Periodic fasting, properly done, helps your body eliminate damaging & debilitating toxins. (Autophagy.) Which then helps keep viruses & illnesses from easily setting in & causing problems. I've safely fasted for 4 years now, without any health issues - only positives. (I eat healthy foods & only within a 4-6 hour eating window, daily.)

@@monkeybusiness1999 Periodic fasting is different than fasting four days a week as a way of dieting. It's unhealthy.

@@monkeybusiness1999 Cass was just not eating for long stretches. They’re trying to handle the wording delicately for a variety of reasons.

Michelle Phillips knew all about what was going on with John and his daughter. She even blamed Mackenzie for her daughter being born prematurely and addicted to drugs! She's just st as nasty as her ex husband, if not worse, because she knew he was "sleeping" with his daughter, while she was a teenager, and never reported it to anyone. I've read Mackenzie's book - it's heartbreaking, and also disturbing to read - and it really comes across as Many chelle being jealous of John's "relationship" ( ew, gross) with his daughter.

Edit; Michelle - not "Many chelle".

@jayfay1526 musically you're correct but as a person he was

@@samanthafairweather9186 You can edit your comment if you click the 3 dots to the right of your comment.

@@dazzlingdavedainty If he really was sexually abusing his daughter, then he's an effing pig. I hate pedos. He had a beautiful wife. Why did he need to abuse his daughter? Just another pig.

Fat shaming has always been a problem for women, especially back then, but even today. Haters need to mind their own business, I'm sure they have problems of their own. People need to love and accept each other with their differences, that's what makes this world beautiful. RIP Cass❤

I always ♥️ loved 😍 🥰 ❤️ her beautiful voice it was awesome. I love ❤️ her to this day. R.I.P Cass Elliott love ❤️ you ❤️ ❤❤❤❤🎉😊❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

John Phillips was nothing without Cass. She was the star, he was just lucky to be around her.

Not exactly true, they all had great voices, especially Denny!