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The TRAGIC Fate Of The NX-02 Columbia! - Star Trek Explained 

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@theduke7539
@theduke7539 Год назад
Archer's recommendation for more weapons and the new captain be ready to use them always struck me as tragic. Archer was not a military man, he didnt want to be military, he didnt sign up for military. He wanted to be an explorer, a discoverer, and a pathfinder for humanity. Instead, he increasingly found himself in combat and sending people to die. He was jaded, angry, and depressed.
@MS-ns2pj
@MS-ns2pj Год назад
Experience will almost always let you know that your high ideals are bs. The real world, or galaxy, is mean, nasty, and unforgiving. Yes, they needed better offense and defense. Archer learned that you must be prepared. Pacifists are often the first to die.
@pTryceorl
@pTryceorl Год назад
He just wanted to set right what once went wrong..
@jchavez789
@jchavez789 Год назад
Still though.......who goes out to explore without the most basic of defense functions? NX-01 didn't even have phasers, sorry "Pulse cannons", operational when they first launched.
@jeffjr84
@jeffjr84 Год назад
No weapons would have helped Columbia. None. Not in destiny.
@joeswanson733
@joeswanson733 Год назад
id' rather have more guns on hand than not enough guns when it's time to use them.
@t3h51d3w1nd3r
@t3h51d3w1nd3r Год назад
Not all the crew were killed in the vortices, one engineer survived, he was mid transport when the intense energy hit the ship, his transporter beam rematerialised in an alternate universe. A universe that was similar but diverged in the timeline from around the 1990s, he struggled with the loss of his crew mates, with never being able to return to his family or to his home, as he knew it. He almost gave up being enlisted but he pulled through, went into command, made a new home, new friends and one day became the captain of a ship called the Orville. It's 100% cannon
@EnsignRedSquad
@EnsignRedSquad Год назад
I’ll take that explanation as Cannon
@warhawk4494
@warhawk4494 Год назад
Hahahahahahahahahahah
@tomboard1
@tomboard1 Год назад
Brilliant. He had a pretty good voice as well.
@pablohammerly448
@pablohammerly448 Год назад
@@EnsignRedSquad Cannon = really big gun; Perhaps you meant canon. 🥴
@Digikidthevoiceofreason
@Digikidthevoiceofreason Год назад
Canon*. Not cannon. A “cannon” is a weapon. “Canon” is storyline. Learn the difference.
@webduelist
@webduelist Год назад
I just realized that Enterprise was the first shuttle, and Columbia was the second, Enterprise was retried after the test flights, while Columbia didn't make it to retirement....
@atticstattic
@atticstattic 5 месяцев назад
'Retired' is a bit of a misnomer, as it was never intended for orbit.
@webduelist
@webduelist 5 месяцев назад
@@atticstattic if I remember correctly the plan was to use Enterprise for testing, and then re-fit it into a full orbiter, however the cost turned out to be way higher than estimated so they retired it.
@atticstattic
@atticstattic 5 месяцев назад
@webduelist If I am remembering correctly, and, as an aside, James Doohan gave a presentation about this at the U of I Chicago around 1977 - there were no plans beyond using _Enterprise_ for testing the 747 transport and its glide/landings. If intended for space, why not simply build it that way from the start.
@hanzzel6086
@hanzzel6086 5 месяцев назад
@@webduelist The first orbital capable shuttle was supposed to be named Enterprise (as a direct result of TOS), and the test shuttlewas going to be named Columbia. But there was public confusion (people didn't realize that the first shuttle wasn't going to be going to space, ever), leading to a large public outcry by Trek fans, leading to the names being switched.
@fernandogarajalde4066
@fernandogarajalde4066 Год назад
4:32 (in Pakled voice) “Books are good… books make your think strong… strong is good… read the books and become strong”. 😆
@craigs71
@craigs71 Год назад
The scene @ around 6:06 was from a Babylon 5 scramble scene, the uniforms give it away (huge fan of B5 here).
@robertkain7890
@robertkain7890 8 месяцев назад
Interesting! I owned an X-BOX 360 game called- Star Trek: Legacy In that game, it is revealed that it was V'GER who created the Borg in order to assist it in completing its mission! To learn, or "Assimilate" all there is to know and gave them the autonomy to operate and complete their objective! Eventually, V'GER became self-aware and realized that it needed to evolve. Which is when it returned to earth, to "join with the creator.". Once V'GER accomplished that, it no longer needed the Borg. But it didn't shut them down before joining with the "creator" a.k.a. Captain Decker. As a result, the borg continued to assimilate until they grew beyond the original programming. Unfortunately, they didn't take a big step away from the original programming. They just adopted a new reason for assimilation. The pursuit of perfection!
@danielthorp8717
@danielthorp8717 11 месяцев назад
In the book, Captain Riker and his crew meet Columbia's Captain,
@aikrichter5403
@aikrichter5403 Год назад
you could not blame them for creation of borg,since the celliar created unknowingly a timeloop,leading always to the big issue that displaced that one city into the past,with just the right kind of psychopath on it. It had always to happen. which makes it even more tragic as it already is. (awesome story btw, my favorit borg origin story of all time)
@TheRezro
@TheRezro Год назад
I personally believe that Borg was just a tool of greater force. What was using Federations for own means (totally not robot squids from future). For reminder Gainan stated that Borg behavior toward Earth was irregular. Borg usually send thousands Cubes to ensure total assimilation of the target. But in case of Earth ships were send one by one. If you think about it if not Wolf 359, Earth would be vastly unprepared for Dominion War. And they did not learn they lesson where Starfleet was almost wiped by alien virus. But they did get the point after Borg attacked them during Fleet Day and so they start dispersing own forces more carefully. Same First Contact actually has impact on the Cochrane, who take inspiration seeing Sovereign in the sky. So random Borg emergency signal probably was not the cause of issue. It was part of the greater plan.
@warriorgaming1604
@warriorgaming1604 9 месяцев назад
Technically they did but the only reason Borg knew of humanity in the 21st. Century was that when Picard blue up the escape sphere he created a chicken egg loop the Borg in archer time were able to send a message using the 24th century nano tech so Borg were already heading toward earth in archer time
@paulmeredith2037
@paulmeredith2037 Год назад
History will never forget The NX-02 Columbia
@FLAME4564
@FLAME4564 Год назад
haha amen to that for sure :)
@samuraikyokkan
@samuraikyokkan 7 месяцев назад
I'm sure theres no coincidence that an all female main bridge crew happened to lose the ship.
@dualityomk9854
@dualityomk9854 5 месяцев назад
@@samuraikyokkan and the all female engineering crew couldn't get the engines started.
@sabrewolf4129
@sabrewolf4129 5 месяцев назад
Columbia burned up on reentry into the atmosphere.
@timjerrom7173
@timjerrom7173 Год назад
Finally Destiny gets a voice, deffo one that needs or needed to be a movie. It was the best "origin" story so far.
@esumiwa5583
@esumiwa5583 Год назад
Sad story. Need to get those books...thank you!
@HailAnts
@HailAnts Год назад
Had _Enterprise_ gotten a fifth season, show runner Manny Coto stated that they would have begun the run up to the Earth-Romulan War during it..
@skybennett3902
@skybennett3902 Год назад
The Caeliar created their own time loop that caused their own destruction as it were which lead to the creation of the Borg and the ultimate end of the Columbia. I'd hazard a guess that Columbia's presence probably wouldn't have changed things much, with the exception of the end of the Borg.
@jdschauss
@jdschauss Год назад
Mars getting eaten was a nice touch at the end of the series. You had to KNOW that was NEVER going to be allowed to be canon, lol!
@theblitz9
@theblitz9 Год назад
The Star Trek Destiny novels are a MUST read. Spoilers: It was Columbia crew members who were the first Borg with one of them being "occupied" by a Caeliar who went on to be the Queen.
@ceilyurie856
@ceilyurie856 9 дней назад
@@jdschauss wut
@BrennaUrbangirl
@BrennaUrbangirl Год назад
I always thought when Paramount made Star Trek: Beyond. They missed a way of further tying in that the Kelvin timeline (especially with Leonard Nimoy having passed away) as an offshoot of the Prime timeline. Instead of the Kelvin timeline's Enterprise 1701 crew finding the Franklin they could have found the Columbia instead.
@Christopher_1775
@Christopher_1775 Год назад
That would have been an outstanding idea.
@Shadowkey392
@Shadowkey392 Год назад
Yeah, but then they would have had to make the Captain Hernandez the villain.
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 Год назад
​@@Shadowkey392 why not instead of the Captain it's still the same as before but the command crew died in the crash.
@lumiereeclair
@lumiereeclair Год назад
The used the Franklin in Star Trek beyond because the director Justin Lin wanted to honor his father, Frank Lin.
@dr.charlesedwardflorendobr3952
That would have been cool. I wonder if copyright restrictions were part of the reason why they didn't use the columbia. The Kelvin USS Enterprise had to look different from the TOS one because of copyright restrictions. Since the Columbia existed before the Kelvin Timeline, it should look the same, but copyright restrictions will surely apply to it.
@Captain.AmericaV1
@Captain.AmericaV1 Год назад
Oops .... i *"accidently"* created the Borg ..... silly me!!😎😎 Thank you for another great video, Lt Cmd Adam. Your injection of humour makes it much more enjoyable. 💪
@LIA-52
@LIA-52 Год назад
Starfleet in 24th century, speaking to NX-02: Don't create the Borg!
@Captain.AmericaV1
@Captain.AmericaV1 Год назад
@BAAS sorry about that, it just happened!!
@Starfoxfan-rg6iz
@Starfoxfan-rg6iz Год назад
one of the most underrated nx class vessels, it never got to get its refit. The neat thing is that the nx refit was named after the Columbia after it was lost
@davery07
@davery07 Год назад
Great video. I'd like to see a show, movie etc. with the refit of the original NX-01 Enterprise. Too bad we didn't get that 5th season....grrrrr :)
@timbert4672
@timbert4672 Год назад
So, a revolt aboard an early Starfleet Ship created a butterfly effect which created the Borg? There's an irony. I had a feeling something bad would happen to Columbia in the series because of what happened to the real life space shuttle Columbia, but at least it has a good story to it.
@chrisdufresne9359
@chrisdufresne9359 Год назад
I always wondered what happened to the Columbia. I'd actually hoped that she'd survived the Romulan War to serve alongside the Enterprise post-war.
@TheRezro
@TheRezro Год назад
Unfortunately Enterprise was caned after the war. Though considering that according to Beta canon books, holo-recording from show finale was fake. I do believe that it actually fall in temporal anomaly. Speaking of that Archer Drive was notorious for causing those and I believe the same happen with Columbia. And crew only assumed it was due to dilatation. After all similar incidents happen with Ceres class SS Bonaventure and Freedom class NX Franklin. So there was a pattern. It also would explain why Vulcans agree to share own classified Warp 7 drive. To rid off Henry Archer Engines.
@JoeWaylo
@JoeWaylo Год назад
From what I remembered about Star Trek Enterprise's Series Finale, the final episode Riker fast-forwarded to their tenth year as the show was terminated on Season Four and they skipped 6 whole seasons to the point when Archer signed the charter. The non-canon books wrote two stories. The Romulans made it to Earth to destroy Starbase One and Earth, Columbia being a victim of that incident blowing up. The second one said they disappeared in Tau Ceti like the Bermuda Triangle and wound up in the Gamma Quadrant buried on a desert with all lives lost.
@virginiaconnor8350
@virginiaconnor8350 Год назад
Are there any Starfleet ships named Titanic? I heard there were was one named Challenger and another the Titan. I guess the ship named never read "The Wreck of the Titan" or "Futilty" by Morgan Robertson. Must be bad luck to name ships after those who suffered disasters , including the Space Shuttle Columbia and the submersible Titan who took 5 passengers to visit the RMS Titanic.
@chrisdufresne9359
@chrisdufresne9359 Год назад
@virginiaconnor8350 The Titan was an expected disaster for me. The instant I heard that the main hull was carbon fiber, I expected some form of critical failure. I pity the poor souls lost, but I don't think you should let events of the modern world tinge how you see the naming conventions in Trek.
@FireDragonAndromeda
@FireDragonAndromeda 6 месяцев назад
The Star Trek Destiny book does a good job of explaining what happened to the Columbia.
@ssize2427
@ssize2427 Год назад
The NX class was such a great theatrical design and addition to Trek. Loved it when the Enterprise & the Columbia vertreped Trip from Columbia back onto Enterprise.🖖🏽
@willadeefriesland5107
@willadeefriesland5107 Год назад
I smiled as soon as I heard the disclaimer. THIS was going to be a good video concerning the Columbia. 🖖Live long and prosper Trek Central. This is the video that I hit the subscribe button on...
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
Thanks for your support! - Jack
@samuraikyokkan
@samuraikyokkan 7 месяцев назад
I'm sure theres no coincidence that an all female main bridge crew happened to lose the ship
@Clenched.Cheeks
@Clenched.Cheeks Год назад
I choose to ignore non-canon for some of these points. By tying Columbia to the creation and destruction of the Borg you make the Star Trek Galaxy WAY smaller whilst making the story unrealistically complicated. It's just kinda shoddy writing imo.
@Wrangler-fp4ei
@Wrangler-fp4ei Год назад
I have to agree. I don't like the idea everything has to be linked to everything. Columbia shouldn't have been involved with the creation of Borg at all. It went missing the end. Bad writing/lack original ideas how i felt too.
@blackyvertigo
@blackyvertigo Год назад
it's also been addressed on a tv series that the borg were active in the delta quadrant as early as the 1990's
@andylongman355
@andylongman355 Год назад
@Dixa1 The story doesn't contradict that. In fact it explicitly mentions a small group of Columbia survivors and Caeliar being sent back in time several thousand years and that's where they somewhat accidentally create the first drones. The video didn't go into that as he said - its for another time
@anno78
@anno78 Год назад
​@blackyvertigo Columbia was sent waaaay back in time, resulting in the surviving crewmembers being forced (against their will) to fuse with the Caeliar who had been sent back with them. The Borg were born when the fused entities assimilated the inhabitants of the planet they were on. The Caeliar use Omega Particles as a power source, hence the Borgs interest in Omega.
@auricstorm
@auricstorm Год назад
I really liked the Destiny Trilogy. Then again I read a lot of the books so I was already invested in USS Titan and other post-Nemesis stuff I just thought "Finally, we've put the Borg to bed. No more '... But one survived, and adapted' shenanigans". I mean, they had the deactivated defeated Cube itself become sentient then Janeway getting assimilated in another book! Also bear in mind the Shatner-verse Borg origin world, that assimilated Voyager probe for TOS movie, with a massive circuit breaker that turned off every Borg
@bpdmf2798
@bpdmf2798 5 месяцев назад
The ST Destiny books are the only ones I've read and they were great. I'm planning on reading the ones after it called Typhoon Expanse or something like that. Happy to have had my memory refreshed listening to this.
@QA-ut7dd
@QA-ut7dd Год назад
Very cool to see coverage of some of that alternate pre-Kurtzman novel material. I remember reading the Destiny books years ago. Still have the all-in-one trilogy compilation they put out. It was a fun enough story. Always cool to see those characters as their lives continue on, like Captain Dax.
@markroberts2277
@markroberts2277 Год назад
I've never seen the Star trek Enterprise episodes with the Columbia, but I've read the 3 novels had the journey that Capt. Hernandez took with the Caeller and involving the Borg war.these were great novels.
@captainjamesmartin
@captainjamesmartin Год назад
Talk about temporal loops…The first NASA Shuttle was named ‘Enterprise’ after the USS Enterprise, the next ships Columbia etc…in a strange way, without NCC 1701, there would be no NX-01 or Columbia. I guess Shatner will take credit for that 😂
@arthurchadwell9267
@arthurchadwell9267 Год назад
As well he should! 😄
@emsleywyatt3400
@emsleywyatt3400 Год назад
Ah, but one novel (I forget which) rationalized that by saying that the Shuttle Enterprise was name for the aircraft carrier.
@user-no9lk1zr5x
@user-no9lk1zr5x 5 месяцев назад
@@emsleywyatt3400I may be wrong on this; but seems the US Navy has had an "Enterprise" on the active rolls since the 1700's
@cw5081
@cw5081 Год назад
I have long wished that the Destiny trilogy would have been turned into a Trek movie or mini-series. Then the story would have become cannon. I'm sure some adjustments to the story would have been needed due to real world considerations. Still, the basic plot and story of Destiny is quite impressive. In my opinion, those are still the best Star Trek novels.
@southtexasprepper1837
@southtexasprepper1837 Год назад
Listening and watching the latter part of the video in regards of the rediscovery of the NX-02 Columbia, it would've made a great couple of Episodes for "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" to have been aired. It's too bad it wasn't done or explored. Perhaps it could be done in the form of a "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" movie that could be released.
@Criptid
@Criptid Год назад
That would have been really cool to see both movie wise and show wise but, i think you forgot Star Trek Deep Space Nine was create before Start Trek Enterprise was even thought on a piece of paper as the info in the show was create after DS9 Finish airing, that would have been alot of gaps to fill with no back story. Take Star wars episode 4 it came before the prequels and none of us at the time would have though Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker was the same until you got the back story
@southtexasprepper1837
@southtexasprepper1837 Год назад
@@Criptid Please forgive me for wanting to see a potential good movie or series of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" Episodes being made. However, I did get a "Loved Comment" from the poster of the video. That's a 'Consolation Prize' for me.
@Criptid
@Criptid Год назад
I meant bo disrespect i would also love to see that movie or show I just pointes out the fact that DS9 came before Enterprise so the elements of a movie or episode wouldnt make sense in that time without an explanation
@timecowx
@timecowx 5 месяцев назад
OK, New to the channel, and happy to be here! That was interesting and well told, AND I am happy to get the recommendation on a new trilogy. I have heard so many mixed things about this or that Star Trek book covering years of them, I just, er, wrote them off.
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral 5 месяцев назад
Welcome aboard!
@brightlord-ov7cm
@brightlord-ov7cm Год назад
Best narrator ever!
@kirkbolas4985
@kirkbolas4985 Год назад
I’d love to see a video on how the NX02 Columbia took part in creating the Borg.
@macbuff81
@macbuff81 Год назад
You put in a clip from "Babylon 5" 😊
@amethyst7084
@amethyst7084 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for relating this really interesting story of the NX-02 USS Colombia. I think it falls into the bracket of those lost 22nd-century shops, such the USS Archon, USS Essex, USS Franklin, etc. Not sure about Starfleet inadvertently creating the Birg, though. I think the Borg fit better with a much longer entrenched history from with the Delta Quadrant. Good stuff, though. Worth revisiting ST:VOY. 👍🏾
@super_ficial
@super_ficial Год назад
"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. United Federation of Planets
@davedsilva
@davedsilva 5 месяцев назад
Nice job. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and was curious about the NX-02 Columbia. I would have liked to see Columbia's delightfully girl-ish captain serve as an officer under Archer to battle aliens and T'Pol for Archer's attention. She reminds me of Julie McCoy, Cruise Director of the Love Boat.
@chadwayne165
@chadwayne165 Год назад
If I remember right, there was an episode where Borg were found on earth centuries before, as they crashed in the Antarctica ice, then found by 2155 eara scientists, so your train of thought of the Federation creating their own enemy is off a bit. As the Borg queen explained in the movie First contact.
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant. Those Borg found in the artic was from the Borg Sphere that the Enterprise-E blew up in orbit of Earth in First Contact - Dom
@tomroberts9684
@tomroberts9684 Год назад
They wanted to name it Columbia House Record Club, but ran out of space for the letters😂❤
@jcbvortex22
@jcbvortex22 Год назад
I love subspace vortexes
@NickPCage
@NickPCage Год назад
I've always loved the nx series ships always thought they were much cooler then the new stuff.
@mrklean0292
@mrklean0292 Год назад
The Destiny trilogy was one of my favorite reads, damn the Star Trek canon!!!
@brianfarmer858
@brianfarmer858 Год назад
Great video. Loved reading the Density series. I wish someone would animate it or something.
@comicsin2minutes
@comicsin2minutes Год назад
I find it interesting now, where you had the Klingons basically unloading on an unprotected Earth and juxtapose that with the end of Picard with Space Dock being a beast and protecting the Earth from the most advanced Fleet in the Galaxy.
@alexmcintyre8229
@alexmcintyre8229 5 месяцев назад
Wow that was fast the Ensign at the helm of Columbia just got promoted to Lieutenant before they even left space dock. Forever Ensign Harry Kim would certainly be jealous.
@Usa_mikek
@Usa_mikek Год назад
I always thought the pulsing conduits on the bridge was rather cheesy.
@aurorauplinks
@aurorauplinks 5 месяцев назад
I guess she could have taken Archer's advice. But that would have meant listening to someone who was experienced with the issue they were warning her about.
@porpus99
@porpus99 Год назад
6:05 Just had to sneak in a scene of Starfury pilots dawning their space suits, didn't you?
@marc-antoinegagne2951
@marc-antoinegagne2951 Год назад
The Columbia didn't create the Borg. The Borg were active in the 17th century, as stated by the Vaadwaur survivors.
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
In the Star Trek: Destiny novels, it is revealed that they technically did. The surviving NX-02 crew members that travelled back in time with the Caeliar were absorbed by the last surviving Caeliar, the now-degenerate Sedin. This confirmed the Borg originated from the planet Arehaz. So yes, they would be active in the 17th Century, but there creation came about much, much earlier :) - Jack
@alanthomas7868
@alanthomas7868 Год назад
Like theclip of babylon 5 sneaked in lol
@eschnabel.4665
@eschnabel.4665 Год назад
Nicely done. One question. Did I see some Star Fury pilots scrambling at one point in the video?
@jamisonedwards8162
@jamisonedwards8162 Год назад
You did, or we're both seeing things.
@dercapndirk
@dercapndirk Год назад
Yes. B5 rules...
@CorvoFG
@CorvoFG Год назад
Wrecked it trying to parallel park..
@TheDude1764
@TheDude1764 Год назад
😂🤣
@cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547
The Destiny books were some of my favorite books from Star Trek.
@mattsmith1859
@mattsmith1859 8 месяцев назад
We need a Star Trek Destiny audiobook. Its one of the best Trek stories ever told.
@DrBeastMcCoy
@DrBeastMcCoy Год назад
great name fits with sister ships NX-03 Titanic and NX-04 Hindenburg
@stevenewman1393
@stevenewman1393 10 месяцев назад
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form on this format and the subject matter provided on the NX-02 Columbia and all of Her duties and missions that she preformed till the time of her disappearance and then being found crashed landed in the Gama quadrant in 2373 by the U.S.S. Defiant!,👌.
@rickruiz6810
@rickruiz6810 Год назад
No more ships named Columbia please. It’s bad juju
@danemann02
@danemann02 Год назад
In a book star trek destiny the crew of the nx 02 and an alien species are the borg origin. It is not cannon but it is a good book and great story
@danemann02
@danemann02 5 месяцев назад
I absolutely was a great book and should be cannon
@wheezyshoe212
@wheezyshoe212 5 месяцев назад
Whoa! At 6:04 is that Babylon 5? I never realized that the Vorlons, Shadows, Minbari, Centauri, Narn, or League of Non-Aligned Worlds were in Star Trek!
@buchan448
@buchan448 Год назад
Awesome channel have subbed and pressed the bell hello from Scotland :D
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
Awesome thank you! - Jack
@buchan448
@buchan448 Год назад
@@TrekCentral yer welcome keep doin what yer doin :)
@loganbyrne3054
@loganbyrne3054 4 месяца назад
At 6:10, that is the USS Frankilin from the Adramverse. And it was the Romulans from Picard series that created the Borg, but because of that battle, maybe they were both to blame.
@MoxieMike66
@MoxieMike66 Год назад
I watched most of this show when it first aired but haven't seen it in years. Been tempted to buy the series but I still haven't watched "Andromeda" in the boxed set which was also done by Roddenberry.
@ShionWinkler
@ShionWinkler Год назад
I personally don't count Enterprise as cannon, as it outright contradicts facts giving in the The Original Series and TNG; such as the Romulans didn't have warp tech till they stole it from the federation. But in Enterprise they have warp 5 ships, and were trying to make a warp 7 ship.
@patrickmurray3846
@patrickmurray3846 Год назад
um the borg started long before nx-01 was ever lanched. the Valdwaar knew about the borg during earths 8-9th centeries.
@BravoTwoDelta
@BravoTwoDelta Год назад
Ah it must be that big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
@darongw
@darongw Год назад
Yeah, time travel was involved in the books.
@Willpower-74205
@Willpower-74205 Год назад
That's because the Columbia crew and the Caeliar were sent back even further to the year 4527 B.C.E. in Destiny Book III: Lost Souls. The Borg were created by a botched merging between the two groups. Sort of like the predestination paradox that Dulmer and Lucsly described in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations." It sounds confusing, but it works out when you think it through. 🖖😎👍
@MyBretski
@MyBretski Год назад
Also, guinin stated that the borg had been around for thousands of centuries
@Willpower-74205
@Willpower-74205 Год назад
@@MyBretski That was likely guesswork on her part, based on how incredibly advanced they were. Then again, she admitted that she wasn't at her homework when it was attacked, so it's unlikely that she would have any firsthand knowledge of them. Besides, the Borg were never especially forthcoming when it came to their origins, beyond what little the Queen revealed to Data in First Contact. 🖖😎👍
@711desmond
@711desmond Год назад
Bruh you can not just start with “a city got blown up” say “a series of events” and then end with “the star went supernova” that’s only allowed in warhammer 40k
@jeffjr84
@jeffjr84 Год назад
The Columbia had it pretty bad. From the telepresence unit taking the ship to the engine damage to the mutiny ect. When aventine found her she was in impossible shape.
@blackthunder0021
@blackthunder0021 Год назад
I have a question that might put a few holes in the "Rise of the Borg. If the Borg were in fact created by Starfleet, then why did the Borg try to communicate with their 21st century counterparts during "First Contact"? If the Borg were not created until the late 21st century, then who were the Borg trying to contact during First Contact?
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant - Dom
@omnius279
@omnius279 Год назад
who designed these glowing lighttubes on the back of the bridge, one hour with these things and all the bridge crew would get an headache XD
@impressiveprogressive7343
@impressiveprogressive7343 Год назад
Even with warp capable ships, these early Starfleet ships still would've been handicapped by the most notorious and insidious of exploration issues there is, "logistics". Food, water as well as medical supplies and other common needs would have held back the mission. This is before the advent of replicator technology so like the ocean going ships of old starships would still need resupply. Still this period of star trek was those "heady days" of exploration and people just wanted go see what was out there beyond our telescopes.
@fizzelgizzel5521
@fizzelgizzel5521 7 месяцев назад
Well with the James webb space Teleskope, they have to travell into Galaxien humane never saw before. Into Galaxien far, far away....
@dennisud
@dennisud Год назад
Hey Adam is BAAAAAACK! 😉 Well spoken my friend! A sad but canon story!
@CaveManJohnCarter
@CaveManJohnCarter 3 месяца назад
The NX registration means Navy Experimental... there were more then 3 NX registered starships... the ones you mentioned yes!!! But even the defiant was an NX ship... it's call number being NX - 74205 for example
@xuto2693
@xuto2693 Год назад
Came for the trek, stayed for the disclaimer.
@randallwong7196
@randallwong7196 Год назад
There's some artwork of Columia crashed on a planet, with the Feds having small craft and people checking it out. I believe the artwork is associated with something other than one of those novels mentioned?
@Willpower-74205
@Willpower-74205 Год назад
It was featured as a random entry in the Ships of the Line book (the first one, IIRC), which inspired David Mack to include it in Destiny Book I. 🖖😎👍
@FC360D
@FC360D Год назад
How many borg origin stories are there? The only one I heard of before now was that Voyager 6 landed on a planet that did some stuff with it and then released it back into space, eventually leading it to the events of the motion picture, and the species on that planet eventually became the borg.
@gregbolitho9775
@gregbolitho9775 Год назад
Ada Maris, did a good job as Hernadez, I reckon. Didn't figure as much in the series as I thought it should. Even if the series was named Enterprise. Not a bad job, you need to stress down, heaps.
@michaeltelson9798
@michaeltelson9798 5 месяцев назад
I am a big fan of Larry Niven’s “Known Universe” series of short stories. In the Star Trek cartoon series the Kzinti were introduced by adapting the Niven short story “A Gift of Empire” into the series. The Kzin have a unique anatomy. They have a geodesic bone structure. In WWII there was a bomber that had such a structure, Vickers Wellington. Look at that plane’s structure to get an idea of what it may look like. Niven also had a drawing in one of his shirt story anthologies.
@tarikshell9719
@tarikshell9719 Год назад
The captain survived in the books 📚
@TonyStark-wr7ob
@TonyStark-wr7ob Год назад
Borg technically helped create the federation in first contract when the enterprise went back in time.
@StevesSimStation
@StevesSimStation 5 месяцев назад
Those 3 books were so good!!! Been a long time since reading them
@rafborrero
@rafborrero Год назад
The scene where Enterprise is leading an armada - what episode is that in?
@thallus23
@thallus23 Год назад
Omg the Columbia couldn’t catch a break 🤣
@mrtrek2117
@mrtrek2117 Год назад
More 'pew-pew-pew' between starships battling. It's more like Star Wars than Star Trek.
@danielsausaman9767
@danielsausaman9767 Год назад
3.37 ,I notice that Columbia's bridge is the same as the bridge of the NX-01 Enterprise except for the 8 total energy pole in the background & the tablet / computer panel pole between the Captain chair & the weapon system chair ,,
@BrennaUrbangirl
@BrennaUrbangirl Год назад
Yep, it was a set redress. It was cheaper to redress the set than to build a new one for a handful of episodes.
@mammutMK2
@mammutMK2 Год назад
As its the same ship, it's expected that the bridge is identical. I would have found it better to not try to change it. Making the bridge an even more lethal space by letting the plasma conducts running through it
@corssecurity
@corssecurity 6 месяцев назад
Tragic indeed considering that the crash of Columbia led to the creation of the Borg
@optimusjd
@optimusjd Год назад
THe Destiny books were really really good reads. I was sad to finish them.
@mitch4527
@mitch4527 Год назад
Launched in 2154? Only 130 years from now? No chance in heck. It’s 2023 already and we’re nowhere near any of that.
@FrakMunkie
@FrakMunkie 5 месяцев назад
Congratulations, you made a comment that everyone has made.
@rgherman
@rgherman 7 месяцев назад
Enjoyed your humor. I'd have transported out of this video if you had presented the story in monotone. Well done, old chap!
@jmehawk1988
@jmehawk1988 Год назад
Brilliant description and info
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
Glad it was helpful! Thanks Jamie! - Jack
@PACKYCSONE80
@PACKYCSONE80 Год назад
Brilliant video. I hate when creators in trek have mine the borg for ideas and the borg were already around before the launch of the nx02. Stupid idea that starfleet created the borg. When the cybermen from classic who have a better backstory you need to stop
@ryan1e
@ryan1e Год назад
wish CBS would have taken this story into account and made it on the screen.
@knightwolfeventdj
@knightwolfeventdj Год назад
actually if you look back to TMP and Kirk's Enterprise I believe we seen the first instance of Borg technology at that time.
@BrennaUrbangirl
@BrennaUrbangirl Год назад
That's what Roddenberry jokingly alluded to.
@thehunter1277
@thehunter1277 Год назад
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!! I wanna know more of the Borg lore you speak of? I had my hunch one the alien ship with Veger (lol) from the motion picture I MUST KNOW MORE!!!!!!
@loganbyrne3054
@loganbyrne3054 Год назад
The fate of the Columbia sounds like BattleStar Galactica. Create the Borg, like create the Cylons.
@VulpesChama
@VulpesChama Год назад
Aside from canon-issues.... The Federation strives for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to solve problems together and to work towards a better future united in purpose. The Borg strive for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to reach absolute perfection. The Federation and the Borg have only ONE significant difference. And this difference is found in the autonomous individuality each organisation allows their members to have. The Federation strives for the perfect future in harmony by allowing every individual member to be their best self for themselves so that the community may benefit from the individuals best self. To create perfect living conditions so that the individuals can focus their time and energy on being the best they they can be and through that work towards and even better future. The Borg on the other hand unify their individual members into a hive mind, removing individual goals and ambitions in favor of being able to focus all ressources into the final goal of the perfected harmonious collective. The Borg are the natural enemy of the Federation, not because they are so different, but actually because they are too similar with the one dividing point being a the only necessary direct opposite to make an extensive alliance impossible. But one thing remains, the Borg are not the opposite of the Federation. They are a different approach to the same question. It is actually no surprise that something like the Borg could be the result of Federation research and development.
@TaylorK298
@TaylorK298 Год назад
I wish we got a episode on Cisco finding the colombia
@yellowrose0910
@yellowrose0910 Год назад
Wait, what? Only a casual fan here but did the video show Romulan ships coming out of /warp/?! Thought Kirk said they only had sub-light...
@tolnaijani
@tolnaijani Год назад
Destiny trilogy should have been the canon continuation. It's awesome.
@ralfhtg1056
@ralfhtg1056 Год назад
I wished the Destiny novels would be made into films and thus canon!
@dano7411
@dano7411 Год назад
All federation ship could be invincible with the propper management of engineering design teams. If I were in-charge, it would be simple. I would issued the order : "Which ever team is responsible for designing and installing the artificial gravity system, you now are in charge of all systems!". I mean that system NEVER fails. You could find a old, shot up, abandoned, derilect federation ship, and guess what is still working? The artificial gravity.
@virt1one
@virt1one 11 месяцев назад
There's obviously a budgetary reason for that, as production costs skyrocket as you increase the number if zero-g shots. The hand-waving I've heard on this front is that the "grav plating" relies on a heavy rotating disc to generate the field, and that it can continue to spin for several hours without powder as it slowly spins down. But there are a few obvious exceptions to this, such as Archer suddenly losing (and then suddenly regaining) gravity while showering, as well as shooting the klingon ship's central gravity generator in Undiscovered Country. From a purely realistic point of view though, an artificial gravity effect is probably not physically possible in any form we're familiar with.
@MGRracing
@MGRracing Год назад
What are those disco lights behind the captains seat on the NX-02 Bridge?
@josevalentin890
@josevalentin890 Год назад
But didn't the Romulan's first appearance was in Kirk's timeline?
@arthurchadwell9267
@arthurchadwell9267 Год назад
No. In the original episode "Balance of Terror" the Romulan War was " a century ago".
@henrymorgan8335
@henrymorgan8335 Год назад
Physical appearance. Apparently no Human had seen a Romulan until Balance of Terror. That is why the bridge crew was shocked when they appeared on screen. Of course Spock already knew what his cousins looked like.
@all4myutube
@all4myutube Год назад
Star ship captains in TOS or kirk’s time we’re not allowed to command then so I wonder why canon was changed during this series in Enterprise?
@TrekCentral
@TrekCentral Год назад
Huh? - Jack
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