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The Tragic magic of Micheal Jackson w/ Sheryl Crow 

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Bill and Sheryl Crow on Bill’s love of Sheryl’s documentary, the artist who is most like Bill’s dog Chico, the madness of being famous super young, how it’s impossible to make money from streaming music, Bill’s awesome Sheryl Crow playlist, the things that make Bill cry, the massive artists who love Sheryl, from Prince to Michael Jackson to Dylan to Mick Jagger, Sheryl and Kid Rock talking after a national tragedy, the intrinsic appeal of Sheryl’s lyrics, Sheryl’s secret to hanging onto her money, and a ton more.
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@MattMcCloskey-dp2ds
@MattMcCloskey-dp2ds 3 месяца назад
MJ is a beautiful soul.
@shatner99
@shatner99 3 месяца назад
I miss a good beer buzz in the morning.
@erictalbert4633
@erictalbert4633 3 месяца назад
Dayum Bill can you laugh any harder at Michael’s pain?
@GenghisKhan311
@GenghisKhan311 3 месяца назад
His time will come!
@nategwinn9058
@nategwinn9058 3 месяца назад
What pain would that be? His uncontrollable lust for young boys?
@Colt8722
@Colt8722 3 месяца назад
@@nategwinn9058so why was Michael in emotional agony on his deathbed worried about all the kids out there who were hurting and not being loved and being mistreated. You can literally listen to it when he was under Dr. Conrad Murray’s care
@nategwinn9058
@nategwinn9058 3 месяца назад
@@Colt8722 yeah, but he was a pervert dude.
@Colt8722
@Colt8722 3 месяца назад
@@nategwinn9058 that’s been the word on the street for years and years. You don’t *know that to be true* You’ve heard it repeatedly but you don’t know that.
@Revolver1981
@Revolver1981 3 месяца назад
It was 50 shows not 100.
@ricksantana1016
@ricksantana1016 3 месяца назад
Which Jackson could not conceivably perform 50 shows! He had a frail constitution…
@Revolver1981
@Revolver1981 3 месяца назад
@@ricksantana1016 I know he could've never managed 50 shows. That's not the point. Bill said 100 shows but it was actually 50.
@JessicasMagicalTreasures
@JessicasMagicalTreasures 3 месяца назад
My husband met Michael Jackson back in the early 2000s at the Venetian in Vegas. He said he was a very nice person and he smelled good! 😂 Also respectful, and was polite. ❤ At least he wasn’t rude or creepy.
@utuberhoda
@utuberhoda 3 месяца назад
“At least he wasn’t creepy” was never said by anyone about Michael Jackson!!!!
@GregTally
@GregTally 3 месяца назад
Cause your husband wasn't 10
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
nice try blind MJ fanatic.
@globalcitizenn
@globalcitizenn 2 месяца назад
He was never rude or creepy.. this is something the white media has aggressively pushed because they had a racist agenda against an influential black pro peace, pro unity, pro people activist like MJ. Just look at how much hasbara Israel spreads, how all the media colludes to lie about Palestine, and how white people are completely brainwashed into hating the victims of US & Israel genocide. That’s what happened to Michael. If you knew him, you’d see he wasn’t even capable of what he was accused of. No allegation has been made outside the context of money.
@jackbrereton7286
@jackbrereton7286 3 месяца назад
With Kanye, it was too many people saying “You’re a genius” or “He’s a genius”. It made him feel infallible. And no one ever checked him on how often he would refer to himself as a “God” or Yeezus. He might have the most over inflated ego of all time.
@Jojo-fy2ud
@Jojo-fy2ud 3 месяца назад
Kanye is very far from a genius. He's just ridiculous in so many ways.
@armchairguru1921
@armchairguru1921 3 месяца назад
Kanye does not belong in the same sentence as Michael regarding talent!
@Starfish2145
@Starfish2145 3 месяца назад
He’s a nut 🔩
@cspace1234nz
@cspace1234nz 3 месяца назад
...yep, ordinary people all need someone who can challenge you, tell you to pull your head in, or whatever. These silly rich celebrity types need that all the more so but clearly don't have it, they are essentially top of their own heap. No wonder they're all mental
@shatner99
@shatner99 3 месяца назад
When I got cowboy boots at 21, my friends kept me in check.
@chupacabracinema
@chupacabracinema 3 месяца назад
My god. Who puts these together? Michael. The correct spelling is Michael.
@FJB8646
@FJB8646 3 месяца назад
Oh get over yourself. It’s an easy error. Naught awl are perfekt like you
@elchingon98734
@elchingon98734 3 месяца назад
Probably Bill. Love watching him forget mid sentence 😂
@josephirizarry5195
@josephirizarry5195 3 месяца назад
Probably someone young. They can't focus or spell or hold eye contact. Something in the water?
@armchairguru1921
@armchairguru1921 3 месяца назад
@@josephirizarry5195No, something in the PHONE!
@LA-hu4gw
@LA-hu4gw 3 месяца назад
Yes!! How does he dare being himself on a low production "Podcast" where he drinks & smoke!!! 😡😤... 😁😄😆😅😂🤣🤣🤣
@Colt8722
@Colt8722 3 месяца назад
I’ll stick up for Michael Jackson: On his deathbed under Dr Conrad Murray’s care, he was recorded talking about how concerned he was and hurting for all the kids out there being mistreated and not being loved and he wanted to help them. It’s so sad. That’s not a child molester!
@killacam8899
@killacam8899 3 месяца назад
Bill doesn’t know shit. MJ innocent as fuck
@nickbarcheck1019
@nickbarcheck1019 3 месяца назад
When Sheryl really thought Conrad Murray was Bill's doctor. Dear God. I didn't know it was possible for a person to be that gullible.
@utuberhoda
@utuberhoda 3 месяца назад
@nick…she sounded like a dummy the whole time
@jfacts2113
@jfacts2113 3 месяца назад
she is dumb and spineless. pretty bad combination
@terrellgrant1570
@terrellgrant1570 3 месяца назад
If you’re going to insult a legend please at least know the basics
@richardkovacs2006
@richardkovacs2006 3 месяца назад
she keeps saying this BS MJ didn't know who she was, when she also says how MJ invited her into his room, and on the roller-coaster in Tokyio to see if she gets sick and such? Which one Sheryl? Her producer was the same person, who worked with MJ on Bad originally and then made MJs Dangerous (partly), Bill Bottrell? So she just accidently got to work with the same person right after the Bad tour with MJ, who worked with Mj that time continuously? Suuuuuuure
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 3 месяца назад
Exactly. She's nothing but a two face liar.
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
Sheryl is one of the most trusted and honest artists of her generation.
@richardkovacs2006
@richardkovacs2006 3 месяца назад
@@horrorpowerfilms9481 these labels mean mothing, you know.
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
@@richardkovacs2006 so MJ wasn't the king of pop, according to your logic. Labels mean nothing, you know.😘
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
and she also said MJ had emu with her on Thankgiving. This woman will just say anything , she has no credibility
@markaboy6402
@markaboy6402 3 месяца назад
Bill… non-judgmental ? O.K.😉
@user-yt9hw6fe6n
@user-yt9hw6fe6n 3 месяца назад
He just just an old fart who can't appreciate the genius of Michael jackson
@sbauer
@sbauer 3 месяца назад
Bill sure likes the sound of his own voice. You’d think by now he would learn to let the guest speak once in awhile.
@braviafeed
@braviafeed 2 месяца назад
He's a narcissist, he will NEVER get tired of himself.
@seanohalloran384
@seanohalloran384 3 месяца назад
Sheryl’s a class act. Love her💯
@jfacts2113
@jfacts2113 3 месяца назад
Her using lies on MJ every time she has something to promote or she thinks that is the political thing to say while other times she was gushing over MJ and the Bad tour makes her classy? She is a spineless, disgusting opportunist just like Maher. Hollywood trash, both of them
@Malouco
@Malouco 3 месяца назад
I still dont think Michael did that shit. If u hate someone u lean one way if u like someone u lean the other way.... IF U ONLY LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND ALL OF TESTIMONIALS U DONT LISTEN TO EITHER U LISTEN TO EVIDENCE
@ITcanB
@ITcanB 3 месяца назад
Eww the way he's always harping on about how he loves the lady bits is so sleazy and patronizing, he's almost licking his lips ❤
@AM_9924
@AM_9924 3 месяца назад
Bill, Michael wasn’t convicted of a single crime. He was an innocent man.
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 3 месяца назад
He doesn't care, he only believes what the media says. Which is ironic coming from him.
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
@@mechajay3358 he IS the media. HBO pays him. He won't ever be fair when it comes to Jackson.
@Sc-vk1gn
@Sc-vk1gn 2 месяца назад
Just because he’s a great dancer and singer doesn’t mean he didn’t commit crimes.
@for-house-stark
@for-house-stark 22 дня назад
​@@Sc-vk1gnsure buddy, let's pretend it was his dancing that disproved the allegations in court
@GenghisKhan311
@GenghisKhan311 3 месяца назад
Bills the drunk that tells the same story 100 times, when you remind him what story 😂
@stacyward4309
@stacyward4309 3 месяца назад
Michael would have brezzed through those London shows, no problem
@michaelcullen5308
@michaelcullen5308 3 месяца назад
Micheal? Didn’t know he was Irish.
@soulkiss1001
@soulkiss1001 3 месяца назад
Trinity and Hank Hanegraaff bless us
@dskwared2u610
@dskwared2u610 3 месяца назад
I'd say Thriller is the best album of all-time. I was there with my friend's giant satellite dish for 13 minutes of Thriller. He became such a sad, damaged person. I felt sorry for him.
@ricksantana1016
@ricksantana1016 3 месяца назад
Fame is truly a monster…
@jfacts2113
@jfacts2113 3 месяца назад
yeah spineless Hollywood garbage like Haher and Sheryl Crow did a lot to damage him. There were hundreds and hundreds like them int he US and the UK. I wish he had left America in the 80s. He would have never been falsely accused.
@globalcitizenn
@globalcitizenn 2 месяца назад
It’s not fame.. all of western society abused & bullied him relentlessly, projecting their own darkness onto him. The Eastern countries see Michael Jackson very differently than the West. They saw him without the lens of propaganda, envy, fear or racism which white establishments felt towards him. The East saw him for who he was.. a spiritual, honorable man who put his life, career & money on the line to stand for the right things. People in the East see the allegations for the fraud that they were, promoted by western media to discredit & malign him.
@2ndHandHero
@2ndHandHero 3 месяца назад
Dr Vinny Boom Botz! Nice homage to Don Rickles!
@oneblach
@oneblach 3 месяца назад
Try Dangerfield
@SeanOG88
@SeanOG88 3 месяца назад
1. Michael was acquitted. 2. Sheryl is scared to defend Michael. If you're a fan, stick up for him!
@Bonita..186
@Bonita..186 3 месяца назад
acquitted doesn't mean innocent...You know this .. MJ slept with boys....He is guilty...Grown men don't sleep over with boys....No justification for it.....
@SeanOG88
@SeanOG88 3 месяца назад
​@Homgirl Corey Feldman and Mac Culkin were close to him, and they both said Michael never touched them in a sexual way. Where's your proof? Tmz? Wikipedia? A hit piece documentary? 😂😂😂
@yournamehere6002
@yournamehere6002 3 месяца назад
Sure.
@yournamehere6002
@yournamehere6002 3 месяца назад
@@SeanOG88 Sure.
@GenghisKhan311
@GenghisKhan311 3 месяца назад
Exactly, record label pulled a Chapelle situation.
@longlakeshore
@longlakeshore 3 месяца назад
Michael Jackson was a chronic pain patient. He had lupus. It's a miserable existence. If he stayed within himself he would not have attempted that last tour. He could have retired and kept making music in the studio at his leisure. Instead he pushed forward and his sycophant MD killed him with the medication Micheal needed to sleep at night to so he could rehearse and perform each day. Take if from a lifetime chronic pain patient. At some point you have to give it up the career to survive.
@nategwinn9058
@nategwinn9058 3 месяца назад
He was also a pervert. That had to be hard on him.
@Milkers777
@Milkers777 3 месяца назад
@@nategwinn9058He wasn’t he was an innocent man! Evidence and the court of law including the FBI say he’s a falsely accused person who is the true victim of the entire situation!
@nategwinn9058
@nategwinn9058 3 месяца назад
@@Milkers777 yeah, that’s not true. He was a pedophile. Innocent people don’t pay accusers $25 million.
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
@@nategwinn9058 if he had been a pervert all those people who knew him as kids would not keep saying he was innocent. Not only he was not a pervert he really wasn't that much interested in sex with anyone. People who have disfiguring diseases like MJ often are like that. They are ashamed of how they look and don't want anyone to see it. Look how MJ did his best to hide his skin, you did not see him in shorts after the 1987, his legs were all patchy by then. None of those kids said anything about that cause they never saw it.
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
@@nategwinn9058 he did not pay $25m and innocent peole even plead guilty if they don't think they could get a fair trial. When he won in court people like you still did not accept the verdict so what do you think innocent people do? Did you know that the Chandlrs accused and sued him because he did not pay them anything in August 1993? He could have silenced them before it went public and he did not pay even 1 million which would have been nothing. He did not pay because he was innocent and believed justice would prevail. Thank's to what the media, the cops and that biased judge who allowed the Chandler have the ciivil case before the criminla was closed , justice could not prevaile. On top of that MJ was sued for $20 million in Decemeber 1993 by Marcel Awram. Which means he would have lost that $15 million he paid Chander anyway. Money was not an issue to him
@namesameasu
@namesameasu 2 месяца назад
Btw, she looks great
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 3 месяца назад
_Leave it to Maher to make the insults on MJ with Skeleton Nose and immediately believe the allegations while refusing to do one bit of actual research. Just so sny lack of common sense on his part_ _What's more disappointing is that Crow is quick to agree with him and even laugh at the nose joke, just plain disrespectful. And I'm calling bull on her claims that MJ never notice her when there has been proof that he didd. It's no wonder that Michael never gave her much attention after the Bad Tour._
@jfacts2113
@jfacts2113 3 месяца назад
the same Sheryl who said in Bad 25 that MJ got hard while doing a duet with her. She will just say whatever she thinks is popular to say at the moment.
@trackzero0
@trackzero0 3 месяца назад
Also, all of my whiskey ice ends up looking like Hartley 2, comet 103P. People, when your cosmic Uber shows up, hop aboard. This dust bowl is sucking.
@HelloThere-jd8vd
@HelloThere-jd8vd 3 месяца назад
Doctor Vinny Boomba!! RIP Rodney Dangerfield!!!!
@negativeindustrial
@negativeindustrial 3 месяца назад
Yeah, we know.
@bunnybubs757
@bunnybubs757 3 месяца назад
She adores MJ She is being diplomatic Doesn’t have the ball$ to defend him Being a nice guest
@Jojo-fy2ud
@Jojo-fy2ud 3 месяца назад
all of the above
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
NOPE, din't you see the video? she's nodding at 0:32 at every Maher word, she's afraid of been accused of covering MJ.
@lucii3135
@lucii3135 3 месяца назад
she shit talked mj in the past, she is a weirdo
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
@@lucii3135 how is she a weirdo for trashing MJ? I mean even MJ own family has trashed him before. Sherly is brave and honest.
@GenghisKhan311
@GenghisKhan311 3 месяца назад
My god bill has short term dementia
@chasburns3303
@chasburns3303 3 месяца назад
the tequila 😂
@trackzero0
@trackzero0 3 месяца назад
Sheryl goddess, Bill i envy you. Not pouring over MJ in this camp. Certainly a curious human experiment.
@emaderaghi
@emaderaghi Месяц назад
Really?! Going along with his sarcastic jokes about Michael jackson!? He is the one who made
@brianmorris4500
@brianmorris4500 3 месяца назад
This guy is really disrespectful.
@Doitforthekicks
@Doitforthekicks 9 дней назад
Oprah has more dirt in those hands than probably the whole entertainment industry combined. You think she turned into a billionaire by her natural talent? What talent?
@martyc2637
@martyc2637 3 месяца назад
Sheryl in a man's world for 30 years.Bet she has the stories.
@calholli
@calholli 3 месяца назад
A lot of time on her kn33z
@Youtubesucks15
@Youtubesucks15 3 месяца назад
Billy is a horrible person. Passing on Steve-O interview because he asked you to not smoke weed while he was on out of respect for his sobriety is trash.
@nategwinn9058
@nategwinn9058 3 месяца назад
Steve-O has turned into a preachy, sober pain in the ass. It’s too bad he can’t control himself.
@AdrianMunch
@AdrianMunch 3 месяца назад
Do the kids actually have any DNA from Michael?
@lomix1106
@lomix1106 3 месяца назад
Does it matter?
@Milkers777
@Milkers777 3 месяца назад
Ew y’all weird in these comments!
@chasburns3303
@chasburns3303 3 месяца назад
you trying to be funny, you know the answer to that
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
@@chasburns3303 he doesn't. and neither do you
@chasburns3303
@chasburns3303 3 месяца назад
​@@billborrow9695prolly yours
@tylerthompson1842
@tylerthompson1842 3 месяца назад
She is still so hot, just the way she carries herself, the whole thing. They don’t make girls like her anymore. Bill is trying his hardest not to be intimidated lol
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
0:32 Sheryl affirmative nodding say it all, somebody who knew him close and did knew he did all that crazy stuff.
@richardkovacs2006
@richardkovacs2006 3 месяца назад
So once she didn't know him that much to the point MJ didn't even know her name, and in the next moment she was so close she knew it all? Sure dude. Sounds... sensless.
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
@@richardkovacs2006 MJ been an A hole o her after the Bad tour is insanely cruel (and hard to belive), so please don't use MJ faults as a positive excuse. They knew each other very well, they sung I Just Cant Stop Loving You passionately every night live. She knew the truth, may be MJ wanted to distance himself from her for that same reason.
@lucii3135
@lucii3135 3 месяца назад
she didn’t know him close dummy she was just did background for his bad tour and that’s it
@sunny7601
@sunny7601 3 месяца назад
@@horrorpowerfilms9481lmao be Fr
@seandamenacee4767
@seandamenacee4767 3 месяца назад
@@horrorpowerfilms9481the truth? You mean the delusion?
@danielgould6288
@danielgould6288 3 месяца назад
LOL Micheal who? C'mon, get it together people! Also, MJ was one amazing entertainer, so let's spell his name correctly before complaining about him not being perfect. Less drinking more thinking.
@danbingham3011
@danbingham3011 3 месяца назад
I mean "not perfect" is an interesting way of saying child molester...
@danielgould6288
@danielgould6288 3 месяца назад
@@danbingham3011 ...and your comment isn't new or interesting.
@danbingham3011
@danbingham3011 3 месяца назад
@@danielgould6288 And yours was?
@Milkers777
@Milkers777 3 месяца назад
@@danbingham3011🤡🤡🤡
@MauriceOrtiz-ut8yi
@MauriceOrtiz-ut8yi 3 месяца назад
Get off my lawn! Bill Maher
@decal1751
@decal1751 3 месяца назад
Hey Bill see if D.R kevorkian is accepting new patients......😂💀.💀.💀.🤷🏻‍♂️🤡
@yournamehere6002
@yournamehere6002 3 месяца назад
Micheal? Bill's not writing these headers.
@jfacts2113
@jfacts2113 3 месяца назад
he gets virtually everything wrong about Michael Jackson why would he get his name right? He is an HBO puppet don't forget
@gusp8967
@gusp8967 3 месяца назад
I try not to be judgmental unless it’s Trump!
@tgeee
@tgeee 3 месяца назад
LET. SHERYL. SPEAK!
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 3 месяца назад
No, she's just as moronic as Bill
@jaycarver4886
@jaycarver4886 3 месяца назад
​@@mechajay3358She said too much already. No matter what she thinks about MJ she should have kept it to herself. She's apparently not very smart! I'm seeing her in a new light and it's not good.
@billborrow9695
@billborrow9695 3 месяца назад
@@jaycarver4886 she changes his stance on MJ depending on what she thinks will serve her. Despicable person
@jubraka
@jubraka 3 месяца назад
Woke IT staff shows their college educations value .... congrats Bill
@Taylorswiftfan13308
@Taylorswiftfan13308 3 месяца назад
Funny. But as crazy as a lot of other things are going, I am not hanging anyone out to dry over this.
@jubraka
@jubraka 3 месяца назад
@Taylorswiftfan13308 not a rageable offense for sure , yet another example of devolving abilities and standards....( I say that in a smarmy Maher tone) 😉
@stevenkidd6761
@stevenkidd6761 3 месяца назад
Because you're under educated, don't decry people who've put in a buttload and effort towards becoming an expert(not self styled either): woke? That's a lame buzz word anymore, much like those who rely on it to divide people and justify staying ignorant, or just living in a mislead bubble of fear and tiny worldviews.
@onefoot7
@onefoot7 3 месяца назад
Why is she moving her fuckin foot up and down, stop it!!!
@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
may be because she is human?
@sibbyeskie
@sibbyeskie 3 месяца назад
Michael Jackson is the single most obvious example of a messed up, uh, “unliker of adults” that it took writing a gajillion hit songs to scramble peoples brains against this fact. Like, yeah the guy who sang Thriller shouldn’t be babysitting your kids. You know this, but damn Thriller sounds good so… mayyyybbbbbbeeeeee
@DaRunningMan
@DaRunningMan 3 месяца назад
Wow... that is an impressively nonsensical comment. Good job.
@sibbyeskie
@sibbyeskie 3 месяца назад
@@DaRunningMan And yet you understood perfectly well. Thanks!
@richardkovacs2006
@richardkovacs2006 3 месяца назад
Congrats on not having one original thought. You know it's not an achievement to repeat a BS media narrative? Nobody with even a tiny level of logic says making good music will eliminate crimes. In fact those who defend MJ all do that based on actual research. Leave the media nonsense behind and use your brain. If you can.Or not too lazy to do that.
@Milkers777
@Milkers777 3 месяца назад
@@sibbyeskie🤡🤡🤡
@sibbyeskie
@sibbyeskie 3 месяца назад
@@Milkers777 Fake nose, pale white, tons of makeup and creepy!
@berniegus
@berniegus 3 месяца назад
bill is creepy. His takes are cringe worthy
@graphicbrew
@graphicbrew 3 месяца назад
Bill didn't smoke weed for Crow, but wouldn't do that for Steve-O. What a hack. Tim Heidecker is so right about Bill.
@adampreusser333
@adampreusser333 3 месяца назад
Who?
@rustybear5125
@rustybear5125 3 месяца назад
You're comparing Steve-O to Sheryl? Sheryl is a rock queen, Steve-O is a guy who got kicked in the nuts for a living. Who cares what he wants.
@jimmysideline1515
@jimmysideline1515 3 месяца назад
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@horrorpowerfilms9481
@horrorpowerfilms9481 3 месяца назад
just because weed? LOL!
@autisticpsychepath
@autisticpsychepath 3 месяца назад
Martin Basheer, did a hachet job. Only thing that sold was rumors the two documentary Dancers auditioned for a tribute show in vegas when they didn't get to participate they went to HBO.. People that tried to take advantage surround and hide the harm. Who were his lawyers they never defended indefensible ,would not.
@autisticpsychepath
@autisticpsychepath 3 месяца назад
Dancers tried in vegas. Then went to HBO.
@autisticpsychepath
@autisticpsychepath 3 месяца назад
So the bad guy, is the paperratzi, who sells a story that promotes, what Michael never did. Yeah his sister thought about rumors of his homosexuality. But that is not even the same subject. I think about two things. What Michael would actually do to a person who would do that specific harm. On the set of thriller there were promoters who wanted to obtain money for their own projects from Michael. There is stage Michael who has a high voice, and then there is the private individual who had a deep voice among his friends. His life long disease was auto immune, he suffered from two conditions vetilgo, and lupus, which is a painful condition.
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