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The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil EXPLAINED 

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This content creator raises an interesting question. How can Adam and Eve be faulted for doing evil if they had no knowledge of good and evil? After all, they hadn’t yet eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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@alanrhoda228
@alanrhoda228 Год назад
The mere existence of the Tree and God's prohibition concerning it is enough for Adam and Eve to have a *propositional* understanding of the distinction between good and evil: good coincides with what God permits; evil coincides with what God prohibits. But Adam and Eve wanted an *experiential* understanding of good and evil, something that they, in their immaturity, simply weren't ready for. As RPL explains, they wanted wisdom on their own terms and in their own timeframe, not on God's.
@RedPenLogic
@RedPenLogic Год назад
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@dronecruisers
@dronecruisers Год назад
If everyone would look into the Jewish faith of God's chosen people you will find that never in history have they believed that the original sin was a thing. God is not holding this on us and no one needs to be "Saved" from the original sin. If you read the book of Job in the Old Testament you can learn a lot more when you know that Job was not Jewish. Satan is misunderstood as well to Christians he is not a fallen Angel as you have been taught. No Angels have fallen and Hell is not a place. Hell is for everyone, it is when we will have a true heart to heart with God and we will need to be honest with God it will be harder for some of us such as Hitler, I am sure his heart to heart with God was not easy. But everyone will get through it and it will not last forever. God will repair the damage we have received on this planet and love us and send us on to what ever he has ready for us after this life. Don't believe me research the Jewish faith that has been hidden from you. If you believe in an eternal Hell then you believe that Jesus created it and I do not want you to believe this. The Christian Hell is not the same as in Judaism, how is this possible you might think, its because Christians created it not God. It was not a thing and Jews have never thought they are the only ones going to Heaven they have always believed everyone is going to Heaven. Everyone is returning to God no matter what you do in your life, but will you live your life for him because you want to and love God or because you fear him and do not want to go to the Hell you have developed in your mind. Its a personal journey and to love you must know what love is and to know what love is you also need to what love is not. When you are loving because you are love with God you will understand. God Bless Everyone.
@dronecruisers
@dronecruisers Год назад
This reasoning makes God sound like he is a psychopathic God. The parent that drinks whiskey every night and leaves the open bottle out should not be surprised when the teenage kid sneaks some whiskey at some point. The same with holding the teenage kid accountable for this action their whole life would also be psychopathic.
@ready1fire1aim1
@ready1fire1aim1 Год назад
Stop calling the Genesis 2 character God, idiot. That's the Devil.
@GranMaese
@GranMaese Год назад
​@@dronecruisers What you just said makes zero sense... Heck, your very example is extremely flawed. Rather think of a father working with fire, and warning his son to not play with fire. What is psychotic about that, exactly?
@CmdrJay72
@CmdrJay72 Год назад
When my children were very little, they also didn't know good and bad, or at the very least didn't understand the difference. I have many electric devices in my home that can be used for good or bad. And plenty of non electric devices, like knives and my fireplace. My children didn't understand that. I simply told them not to play with the outlets or the stove because they could get hurt or die. They trusted me, just as Adam and Eve should have trusted God. But if someone came over to my home and showed only one side of how electricity or fire works and not the other, deceiving my children to disobey, my young child would have gotten hurt. The tree most likely provided shade, a good thing, but the fruit was not good to eat, just like many plants today are not safe for humans to eat. Now I know that some people think, but you're not God. You aren't omniscient. I'm certainly glad for that. But God gave mankind free will, for without free will, we cannot love willingly. So yes, He could have not created the tree in the first place. But then, where was the freedom to choose. I understand that there's a movement to attempt to deconstruct Christianity, especially in America, but in order to deconstruct something, you have to know how it's constructed in the first place. Otherwise, you just end up with strawmen, and non sequiturs, equivocations, and appeals to emotion.
@NikoFinn
@NikoFinn Год назад
Amazingly well said!
@kingdomidentity
@kingdomidentity Год назад
Golden! Thank you and well said!
@dronecruisers
@dronecruisers Год назад
Very well said and I can clearly see your intelligence. I think what most people miss is that we are always children on this planet even at our oldest age we are still children. I think deconstruction is kind of the wrong idea but there are a lot of things that need repaired. For this topic of this video the biggest thing with it is that Gods chosen people never believed or were told from God that this original sin was something we needed to be "saved" from this is completely a made up idea out of the Christian church and anyone that researches Judaism will find its not a thing and never was. The second thing is sin period. Sin will not lead to a eternal punishment in fire. Again in Judaism its not a thing, Hell is not a place. This is made up by Christians that want to think life is some kind of court case and can tell people what is good and bad and you need to win the case to go to Heaven. Gods chosen people have always believed everyone is going to Heaven and returning to God after this life no one is excluded to them. Hell is for everyone, it is when we will have a true heart to heart with God and we will need to be honest with God it will be harder for some of us such as Hitler, I am sure his heart to heart with God was not easy. But everyone will get through it and it will not last forever. God will repair the damage we have received on this planet and love us and send us on to what ever he has ready for us after this life. Don't believe me research the Jewish faith.
@RedPenLogic
@RedPenLogic Год назад
Very helpful analogy. And couldn’t agree more about the current deconstruction movement.
@ready1fire1aim1
@ready1fire1aim1 Год назад
[YHWH or LORD "Yahweh", that ancient serpent called the Devil and Satan (from Genesis 2), accepts a child/virgin sacrifice where a father literally slaughters his own daughter]: (not to be confused with God "Elohim" or Spirit of God "Ruach Elohim" from Genesis 1) Judges 11 Names of God Bible Jephthah’s Vow 29 Then the RUACH YAHWEH came over Jephthah. Jephthah went through Gilead, Manasseh, and Mizpah in Gilead to gather an army. From Mizpah in Gilead Jephthah went to attack Ammon. 30 Jephthah made a vow to YAHWEH. He said, “If you will really hand Ammon over to me, 31 then whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return safely from Ammon will belong to YAHWEH. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” 32 So Jephthah went to fight against Ammon. YAHWEH handed the people of Ammon over to him. 33 He defeated them from Aroer to Minnith and on to Abel Keramim, 20 cities in all. It was a decisive defeat. So the Ammonites were crushed by the people of Israel. 34 When Jephthah went to his home in Mizpah, he saw his daughter coming out to meet him. She was dancing with tambourines in her hands. She was his only child. Jephthah had no other sons or daughters. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes in grief and said, “Oh no, Daughter! You’ve brought me to my knees! What disaster you’ve brought me! I made a foolish promise to YAHWEH. Now I can’t break it.” 36 She said to him, “Father, you made a promise to YAHWEH. Do to me whatever you promised since YAHWEH has punished your enemy Ammon.” 37 Then she said to her father, “Do me a favor. Give me two months for my friends and me to walk in the mountains and mourn that I will never have an opportunity to get married.” 38 “Go!” he said, and he sent her off for two months. She and her friends went to the mountains, and she cried about never being able to get married. 39 At the end of those two months she came back to her father. He did to her what he had vowed, and she never had a husband. So the custom began in Israel 40 that for four days every year the girls in Israel would go out to sing the praises of the daughter of Jephthah, the man from Gilead.
@ryanshaun9600
@ryanshaun9600 Год назад
These people who deconstruct Christianity would never do this to other religions. Remember, satan was the first creation to try and deconstruct Christianity.
@rwmack3523
@rwmack3523 Год назад
Yo, this is an underrated statement.
@kingdomidentity
@kingdomidentity Год назад
And their arguments can NEVER stand against the Truth.
@gaborjuracsik4847
@gaborjuracsik4847 Год назад
These people who deconstruct Christianity are not aware that they are actually using this tool against their own understanding. I tried before I converted, but all my arguments fell apart over time. Then I gave up and converted.
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
Who created Satan ????
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
​@@christianhayter God created the angels, but Lucifer made himself the devil with his choice
@muntuku
@muntuku Год назад
I mean, even if they were ignorant of good and evil, GOD told them not to do something. Full stop. They disobeyed.
@illusion116
@illusion116 Год назад
I don’t think this line of reasoning is good enough. The video mentions the same point if I’m understanding correctly. If Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good/evil, then they would be completely ignorant as to whether they should follow this command. They wouldn’t know that following the command is good and disobeying it is evil. Then your back to the same “dilemma” that the women is trying to describe. He explains the problem with this thinking though thankfully
@ickirusfuhngause797
@ickirusfuhngause797 Год назад
Well said! They disobeyed God.
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
how'd they know it was wrong to disobey god? FAIL
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
​@@christianhayter God gave them a perfect world, there was no sin tainting it and causing the problems we have now. God gave them one rule, and they broke it knowingly.
@illusion116
@illusion116 Год назад
@@KodyCrimson this assumes they knew good vs evil which is fine and defensible as shown in the video. You must include that part though. Your response by itself is not enough
@Seeker7257
@Seeker7257 Год назад
Eve knew what she was doing, and Adam was offered by his wife to eat the fruit. The two actively rebelled against the commandment of God by choosing to eat the fruit.
@banemaler
@banemaler Год назад
The bible simply says Eve was deceived. We are dead in our sins because of Adams sin thus it was required that a 2nd Adam should come to redeem His people.
@Seeker7257
@Seeker7257 Год назад
@@banemaler Yes, Eve was deceived. But she also most probably enticed her husband and he gave in to her offer.
@markfry4304
@markfry4304 Год назад
@@Seeker7257 It also says he was "there with her", so he watched the whole thing happen and didn't protect his wife like a husband should, but instead went along with it.
@Seeker7257
@Seeker7257 Год назад
@@markfry4304 Yes, signs of clear deceit.
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
​@@Seeker7257 They were told by their Creator to not eat it, and they could have told Satan "No", but instead listened to him instead of talking to their Creator about it
@jakefisher-psalm23
@jakefisher-psalm23 Год назад
I thought of something recently about how to put our lives (as the entire human race) in somewhat of a quote...and I came up with "God created everything, and created us. He said 'Choose your way or choose my way. My way is far superior.' And we've been proving Him right ever since."
@sgtbaker81
@sgtbaker81 11 месяцев назад
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
@matthewfunk6658
@matthewfunk6658 Год назад
You could add that the fact that they both tried to put the blame on someone else demonstrates a clear understanding of having done evil.
@asekuvena
@asekuvena Год назад
Did they? I mean, if they didn't mention the serpent 🐍, what they said would be *very* out of context. A child will still give context, even if they think what they did is a minor issue.
@ryankelly9032
@ryankelly9032 Год назад
@@asekuvena they didn’t simply give context, the tried to shift blame. Adam blamed God by saying the fault of “the woman you gave me”. Eve blamed the serpent, even though she was well aware of what God had said. They knew what they were doing.
@TheZenGarden_
@TheZenGarden_ Год назад
The problem is, they understood after the fact, and the women did not blame anyone, she just told the truth of what happened, the man also told the truth, but it was the wrong answer because he took absolutely no responsibility for what happened, instead he blamed his women and the Creator.
@TheZenGarden_
@TheZenGarden_ Год назад
@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 First you need to understand that the rule was given to him after he named all the trees and animals, and before he was given his women. He had to tell her the rule, his answer to the Creator was the truth, but it was the wrong answer because he took no responsibility for what was his responsibility, not hers!! He named all the trees and fruit, do you think he did not know the fruit she bought him?? Of course he knew, but what she brought him wasn't just about a fruit, or why else would they hide and cover their private parts after disobeying the Creator?
@TheZenGarden_
@TheZenGarden_ Год назад
@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 Believe it or not, the first Hueman did not speak the language of people who would not exsist for at least another three thousand years later. People speak many different languages now, and they all call the same fruit something different. Genesis 2 20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
@kingdomidentity
@kingdomidentity Год назад
Yes and to follow what she was saying, the whole point of Christianity is to reverse the spiritual death that occurred in the garden and to restore our Union with God that we had in the garden. Christianity is not a scam, it’s accepting Jesus to restore our place with God.
@kriegjaeger
@kriegjaeger Год назад
Furthermore, what is it in action? Loving your neighbor? Being honest? Turning the other cheek? No one can claim a mark on Jesus's Character. If everyone aspired to be like him, the world would be a better place. But somehow this is a "scam". 🤷‍♂
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
It is a scam because Adam and Eve sinning was always part of the plan (1 Peter 1:20). Also, consider this. Eve was not told not to eat of the tree by god (as god gave the commandment to Adam BEFORE he created Eve from his rib) so Eve didn't disobey.
@kingdomidentity
@kingdomidentity Год назад
@@Ejaezy Genesis 3:2-3…Eve knew.
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
@@kingdomidentity Eve knew what? That Adam was told not to eat from the tree? Show me where in the bible god told EVE not to eat of it. Perhaps we are not reading the same bible because I read that god told ADAM not to eat from the tree just before he created Eve. You can't give commandments to someone who doesn't exist...
@kingdomidentity
@kingdomidentity Год назад
@@Ejaezy Eve knew not to eat from it. The source of the command doesn’t negate someone ability to follow it. Eve knew what God said from her husband. If I tell one child something and relays it to the other child, that child is still responsible. The point is Eve knew it went against what God said. And Adam was right there next to her and Adam was told directly by God and he still ate it.
@MrOopsipwnedu
@MrOopsipwnedu Год назад
The Dunning Krueger effect at work. When we know a little bit about something, we tend to be overly confident in that thing. It is the person who is truly trying to learn that realizes they truly know nothing, and as they dive deeper and deeper their confidence builds on what is actually true. We see both sides of the spectrum in this one video.
@davehill584
@davehill584 Год назад
Absolutely! Just remember that the bibles were all written by men. That's it. Nothing more! So sad to see so many fools here.
@annab3085
@annab3085 9 месяцев назад
Good point. You see this over and over again. People who have never read the Bible take one verse and are suddenly experts on what the entire book says and means!
@jeffawilliams1
@jeffawilliams1 Год назад
They may not have known good and evil, but they certainly knew the concept of obedience, and what their Creator had told them.
@TheMrsgd
@TheMrsgd Год назад
Exactly! Including the fact they were also warned of the consequences of eating from the tree ie death.
@aaronmonroe7932
@aaronmonroe7932 Год назад
As a former christian, I think that's the right way of looking at it. Their master told them not to do something and in the narrative they seemed to understand What they wasn't supposed to do.
@WriterofWorlds
@WriterofWorlds Год назад
They didnt know of deception tho. They were provided everything they needed but the devil took it from them with lies. Eve gambled thinking she was gonna become like God. One in the hand is better than two in the bush.
@WriterofWorlds
@WriterofWorlds Год назад
But at the same time if eve had just thought about it, she may have obeyed God. Why would God create humans that could be like him?
@sierraskye6779
@sierraskye6779 Год назад
Yes! GOD desires obedience over sacrifice!
@GoldenBoyBlue
@GoldenBoyBlue Год назад
She gets mad at God for punishing His children for their disobedience but I bet she couldn't say with a straight face that she wouldn't punish her children for their disobedience lol We as humans are naturally hypocritical
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
I saw no indication of anger in the video...
@oyinkansolaeshoYT
@oyinkansolaeshoYT Год назад
@@Ejaezy Mad in this case as in upset.
@nicklopez8004
@nicklopez8004 Год назад
facts
@mattm7798
@mattm7798 Год назад
To play devil's advocate, I don't think she had a problem wit God punishing His children, but that it was unjust because they had no capacity to know what to do.
@amelialalllalala3914
@amelialalllalala3914 Год назад
Hopefully she wouldn't curse their whole bloodline and species
@khill4053
@khill4053 Год назад
Her whole premis is a straw man, her unfounded, made up claim of "they had no clue about what they were doing". That's patently false since the knew what not to do, eat of that tree. She is falsely claiming they didn't know that when they did.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 Год назад
But she spoke so slowly, how could she be wrong?
@udonnauchegbu2018
@udonnauchegbu2018 Год назад
Also, God did tell them what would happen if they ate from the fruit. They would surely die.
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
They didn't know that disobedience was wrong. We don't even know if they knew what disobedience was (as it had never been presented to them previously). Would you claim that a toddler KNOWINGLY disobeys a command from you?
@udonnauchegbu2018
@udonnauchegbu2018 Год назад
@@Ejaezy It's true that before eating the fruit, they could not distinguish good and evil, but the consequences should've been enough to steer them away regardless. Wage of sin is death and God made that apparent when he said that they would surely die. Even if they didn't know disobeying was wrong, they should've understood that it was not God's will to eat from it.
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
@@udonnauchegbu2018 How could the consequences steer them away of they didn't know what death was?
@antigravityparkourfreerunn261
If you think about it then it is quite interesting that the Devil did not truly tempt Eve by telling her to disobey God. The temptation was to become like God (Eve's desire) which was "achieved" by disobeying Him.
@mnight207
@mnight207 Год назад
Who else has the desire to be like the Most High? Remember that guy?
@antigravityparkourfreerunn261
@@mnight207 Of course. I had a nice "revelation" the other day, that is why I find this whole situation. Scripture says that everyone is drawn to temptation by their own desires. However, in the case of Eve we see that the desire can be benevolent but still be used for evil by Satan.
@mnight207
@mnight207 Год назад
@@antigravityparkourfreerunn261 Yes, we cannot blame the enemy for our wrongdoings. However, he is the father of sin, lies, hatred and all things bad
@antigravityparkourfreerunn261
@@mnight207 Absolutely agreed.
@time-to-think
@time-to-think Год назад
where in genesis does it say the serpent is the Devil?
@NikoFinn
@NikoFinn Год назад
The more I read the Bible the more I am convinced that God gave it us such so that prideful people will fall and will not understand, and humble people do understand. Some things seem to be so "obvious" yet wrong because fallen, sinful human beings think their own hearts are the standard of how to judge all things
@VolvoGonzo
@VolvoGonzo Год назад
Sometimes you can tell people just want to hear their own voice. It's not about knowing good and evil it's about trust and not trusting. I don't explain every way the world can go wrong to my children, I asked them to trust me in loving them and wanting what is best for them. Some things my children wouldn't even be able to understand if I tried to explain it to them.
@ruleofthespirit
@ruleofthespirit Год назад
The longer I have been a Christian the more I see the sin in me always trying to gain they upperhand. I knew I was a sinner before, but I never realised the how deep and tenacious it was, in fact today I hate it and I hate that its inside of me. Knowing this helps me really appreciate the work of Christ on the cross, his death and resurrection, of justification and sanctification and this blessed hope. Today I can declare I am a THAT sinner who has been saved by grace through faith, alone. Adam and Eve knew what they were doing, just like I did before I met Him.
@bearistotle2820
@bearistotle2820 Год назад
It is really easy to deconstruct any religion or ideology (which is just a lesser form of religion) when you aren't engaging with what it actually teaches.
@Vaxxedhole
@Vaxxedhole Год назад
These people don't care. They want to dish back the hurt they received. It's emotional blackmailing.
@DentyOne
@DentyOne Год назад
The way I see it, they understood good and evil 'conceptually'. They had good, better, and best as their measurements, but they conceptually understood what evil *might* be. Just like we understand many things in the bible conceptually (the afterlife, hell, the events of Revelation), even though we haven't experienced them ourselves. When they ate from The Tree of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the very act became their first example of what evil 'actually' is, and they were the ones perpetrating it. The tree may well have been a standard tree with standard fruit, but their eyes were opened to evil by the act of sin. Nevertheless, we too only understand this story conceptually. I'm 100% positive that the full impact moment actually transcends human understanding.
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
Just because they didn't know what was evil does NOT mean they didn't know better. God told them to not do it, and they had been given everything they could want. But they disobeyed anyways. Also this lady left out the part of the Devil enticing them.
@WriterofWorlds
@WriterofWorlds Год назад
Funny how they leave the part about the devil out.
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
Actually, not knowing the DIFFERENCE between good and evil necessarily means that they didn't know better. Similar to how toddlers don't know better when they disobey their parents. You wouldn't argue to a judge that the toddler is responsible for disobeying a direct order would you?
@Anne_one
@Anne_one Год назад
@@Ejaezy your age doesn’t negate the existence of consequence. If you tell your toddler not to do something, and they don’t listen and get hurt, then that is the natural flow of action & consequence. If you want to compare Adam & Eve’s knowledge/reasoning to toddlers you can, but you should also factor in the importance of trust which God continuously talks about. If you genuinely don’t know something then it is even more important to trust in words of the person with more knowledge than you. For a toddler that is their parent, and for human-kind that is God. God told them the rules. They should have trusted him, instead they chose to believe in their limited understanding instead, and they got hurt.
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
@@Anne_one Exactly this. They might not have known what was evil, but they know what the man who gave them everything they could want told them to not do. He gave them paradise, and one rule. And they broke that rule.
@KodyCrimson
@KodyCrimson Год назад
@@WriterofWorlds You got to leave the parts out that don't support your view, after all. That's what she lives by clearly.
@TheDoctor394
@TheDoctor394 Год назад
An analogy I once heard concerns a young child being told by his parents not to do something. He doesn't have any real understanding of good or evil, but he has learnt that he should obey his parents, so he is rightly punished if he doesn't.
@TheDoctor394
@TheDoctor394 Год назад
@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 They were, but humans have continued to sin ever since, despite a better knowledge of good and evil, so we deserve punishment as well.
@Theawesomeninja_XD
@Theawesomeninja_XD Год назад
​@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 You're forgetting that people are allowed to make choices.
@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974
@@Theawesomeninja_XD Not when they're manipulated and don't understand what they're doing.
@TheDoctor394
@TheDoctor394 Год назад
@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 So we are not to blame for what we do wrong? It's God's fault for not getting in the way?
@TheDoctor394
@TheDoctor394 Год назад
@@ObsessedStephenKingFanatic1974 So we have no control over our own actions.
@pavlekovacevic5787
@pavlekovacevic5787 Год назад
2000 years of theology debunked by tik tok 😮😢
@mzp6620
@mzp6620 Год назад
not even 😂
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 Год назад
😅😅 they really believe that. Tiktac is a plague
@DotNetDemon83
@DotNetDemon83 Год назад
I’ve seen better theological arguments on the men’s room stall at my local gas station.
@gzu31
@gzu31 Год назад
Hahahahaha
@GodB4Games
@GodB4Games Год назад
Nope!!!
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 Год назад
Evil is defined in terms of good, being the lack of goodness. Before the fall, they knew the goodness of God but chose not to trust him and received the knowledge of evil.
@yitsous2
@yitsous2 Год назад
God Said Gen. 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, ... The Serpent Said : Gen3:5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” After eating the fruit, this is what God admitted in Gen. 3:22 " Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
@bmoresweetz7023
@bmoresweetz7023 9 месяцев назад
So is that like saying they knew of good and evil even before they ate the fruit..?
@sandina2cents779
@sandina2cents779 Год назад
When people say it’s bad that God put the tree there and told them not to touch it, I remind them that most of us do this today. I tell my kids you can eat anything in my kitchen except the poisonous chemicals I put under the sink. They have open reign in the kitchen except that one accessible cupboard is forbidden, because if they eat what’s in it they will die.
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
Young children don't know how to process the info that something is dangerous. That's why you don't leave dangerous things with young children, like matches, or chemicals, until they're old enough to understand it. Even if you say don't play with these. Its considered irresponsible Only in America you have children playing with loaded guns, and the many fatalities it causes, coz they're too ignorant, too low IQ to figure this out A veritable case of dung for brains
@markfry4304
@markfry4304 Год назад
"Knowing" in the Bible implies more than just self awareness. To know good and evil means to have an intimate understanding of the two. Something Adam and Eve were not ready for. They were very aware of what they were told to do and what not to do.
@definit1on119
@definit1on119 Год назад
I love apologetics. Thanks brother for your breakdown
@levifox2818
@levifox2818 Год назад
2:10 I disagree with the idea that the tree is about experiential knowledge of evil. They became _like God,_ knowing good and evil. Experiential knowledge of evil isn’t a part of God’s nature, since he didn’t know evil (in that way) in the beginning. Only he existed and he is eternally good. I completely agree with his point 3 though. The tree was about accepting morality as spoken by God, or doing what is right in their own eyes (essentially humanism). _“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5)._ _Some people think this means Adam and Eve didn’t know right from wrong. But that isn’t the case. They, at minimum, knew it was wrong to eat of the fruit of that tree. Eve even recites that._ _A better interpretation is this. Previously they knew good and evil based on God’s teaching. But they replaced God with their own knowledge. Now, seeing good and evil with their own eyes, they became like God. However, not being like God in power, knowledge, or authority, their view of good and evil descended to chaos. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes. This leaves us with the twisted, sick world we have today._
@RedPenLogic
@RedPenLogic Год назад
I share your first concern. Notice I said, “…. the act of eating from the tree disobeys God’s command and brings experiential knowledge of good and evil that they didn’t have before.” I think you’re right, the knowledge of good and evil can’t be experiencing evil since God is said to have the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 3:22). And God doesn’t experience evil. That’s why I said the “act of eating” from the tree, which was an act of disobedience, brought an experiential knowledge of good and evil. So, knowing good and evil doesn’t mean experiencing evil, BUT, in this case, eating from the prohibited tree meant experiencing evil. Hopefully that helps clarify my view.
@levifox2818
@levifox2818 Год назад
@@RedPenLogic Thank you for taking the time to clarify! I guess my concern is, though I agree Adam and Eve gained experiential knowledge of evil by eating the fruit, that doesn’t seem to be what made it more than just propositional knowledge. They specifically gained the knowledge of good and evil in a way that made them like God, which isn’t experiential knowledge of evil. Some suggest the serpent was merely lying. After all, he is deceiving them. But God affirms that their gained knowledge of good and evil was like his (in some way) in verse 22. I think what made the knowledge of good and evil more than propositional knowledge was like you said in your third point; it was the source of the knowledge: God or them. God doesn’t need an outside voice to discern good and evil. After eating, Adam and Eve could discern good and evil without an outside voice. This of course directly affected the quality of the knowledge though. Anyway, great video, and I appreciate your clarification!
@levifox2818
@levifox2818 Год назад
@@trevrockrock16 Genesis 3:22 “Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever-””
@levifox2818
@levifox2818 Год назад
@@trevrockrock16 Yeah, I didn’t realize it at first. It seems like the serpent is just lying, until I read that verse. The Devil is the master of half-truths. When the Devil tempted Jesus, basically everything he said was true in one sense but was used to deceive. But Jesus held fast to the full truth.
@muppetonmeds
@muppetonmeds Год назад
@@levifox2818 The greatest lie ever told was 99% truth.
@domryan3742
@domryan3742 Год назад
I like your channel, you simplifies the word of God into comprehension in not more than 5 minutes. Keep on exposing their ignorance and stupidity. God bless!
@briannehill7583
@briannehill7583 Год назад
Its always striking to me how profound people try to sound with inflection in the voice and expressions in the face when in reality the thinking is quite shallow. They disobeyed. It doesn't matter if they understood the command. They were given a command by our creator and opted not to abide in it. When our own children disobey us they often do it because they don't understand why we instructed them in the way we did. Their lack of understanding doesn't negate their guilt. They are still held to the consequences of not obeying us as their parents.
@zhengfuukusheng9238
@zhengfuukusheng9238 Год назад
They wouldn't have known it's "wrong" to disobey
@briannehill7583
@briannehill7583 Год назад
​@@zhengfuukusheng9238 False. She was given an order and she chose not to heed it. She simply didn't know why it was wrong. She knew it was wrong because she was told it was. My guess by some of your previous comments as well as your username is that you come to Christian channels for the intent of stirring dissent. Try it on someone one else. I'm not persuaded and never will be. Dont waste your time or energy. After this I'll simply ignore you.
@zhengfuukusheng9238
@zhengfuukusheng9238 Год назад
@@briannehill7583 This what you said in one sentence "She simply didn't know why it was wrong." In the very next sentence you go on to say "She knew it was wrong....." Just like your bible, you're full of BS....and you know it
@sysprogmanadhoc2785
@sysprogmanadhoc2785 Год назад
Breaking News: Amateur Christian apologist tries to defend her imperfect deity, trips up on her own logic, doing brainfarts whilst falling flat on her face
@briannehill7583
@briannehill7583 Год назад
​@@sysprogmanadhoc2785 if you say so buddy.
@elishaamadasu368
@elishaamadasu368 8 месяцев назад
You spoke truth brother. Thank you for your thoughts.
@You2lessgetit
@You2lessgetit Год назад
Yep, you earned my sub. This channel is really useful, God bless you bro. Keep preaching the Kingdom! ❤
@MrBoywonder1985
@MrBoywonder1985 Год назад
Think of what this lady's deconversion has led to. Instead of going to church on Sunday, or daily Bible reading, prayer, etc., she's now attacking her previous convictions; she's obsessed with it. She traded in one religion for another. It's kinda sad, actually.
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
Presumably she discovered her previous convictions were complete nonsense? Wouldn't it be the rational approach to ditch a set of beliefs you now consider to be unsound?
@SupHapCak
@SupHapCak Год назад
No The NEW belief system she adheres to is “be racist and be loyal to the LGBTQ+ to the detriment of children” and “have free sex with 10 people and kill the babies” Because she doesn’t understand an analogous book of the bible, she traded in “All men are created equal” and “treat others how you would like to be treated” as well as the 10 commandments which are mostly how to interact with others. I don’t know why you hate Christians and Christianity so much for telling people how to be GOOD and do GOOD things just because you don’t understand the Bible. You really are like the little kids, or the devil, who say “it’s okay to play with the electrical outlet” not knowing you’ll be killed
@kingoppsanti5830
@kingoppsanti5830 Год назад
Genesis 3:3 KJV [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 😢
@InHzWill
@InHzWill Год назад
"I'm gonna casually debunk a 2000 year old worldview from my car seat otw to get some food."
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
The fact its a 2000 yr old worldview written by primitive people extremely superstitious and with little science to support them, should tell us something
@littleredpony6868
@littleredpony6868 Год назад
Nd boy did she do a great job at doing that
@gluesandwhich3371
@gluesandwhich3371 Год назад
i was just wondering this and here it is. excellent timing as always man
@tomosjackson4760
@tomosjackson4760 Год назад
Its also worth noting that in the next chapter it says Adam knew Eve and conceived a child. So unless people believe that Adam had totally blanked out Eve this whole time, suddenly realized she existed, and then his knowledge resulted in a child, I think the word "knowing" seems to be more in line with "experiencing". Wisdom is after all a result of experience, which separates it from mere knowledge. A knowledgeable general would know how to fight a battle from books or texts. A wise general would know how to fight based on prior experience in battle. So when they were "knowing" good and evil, I think it was actually referring to "experiencing" good and evil. They were not satisfied with what God gave them as good, and wanted to experience evil against his will. And so they fell. Curiosity it seems, kills more than just cats.😨
@DruPetty42
@DruPetty42 Год назад
Love this! And I love your thoughts on this Mr. B!
@nobodyyouknow4092
@nobodyyouknow4092 Год назад
I agree with your 2nd theory, to your 1st one though I would just like to say that when it says she saw that the tree was "good to bear fruit" I don't think it means the moral good but the objective good, like how someone can be a GOOD baseball player but not a MORAL baseball player.
@jcenterprisesjc
@jcenterprisesjc Год назад
EXPERIENCIAL KNOWLEDGE!!!! FANTASTIC INSIGHT!!!!
@barbarareed9308
@barbarareed9308 11 месяцев назад
Excellent rebuttal
@Dandy_Atheist
@Dandy_Atheist 7 месяцев назад
Assuming the story is true. God creates everything. He puts Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden with the forbidden fruit and a serpent who contradicts God's order to not eat from that tree. So God created the conditions knowing what would happen, then instead of punishing the serpent, or himself, he punished all of mankind for the rest of time. "But you say that with limited knowledge. By God's standard..." Duh. That's my point. God knows that we don't know. We modern people at least have the experience and understanding that Adam and Eve didn't. God obviously didn't study up on human development, otherwise God would have known that people don't learn from being told, we only learn from example and experience. No law prevents people from doing what they're going to do, good or bad. God wasn't there to set an example, the serpent was. God doesn't understand his own creation, IF we were to accept that God exists.
@alexmaremaa7057
@alexmaremaa7057 Год назад
Now what?!🙄
@ookami5329
@ookami5329 Год назад
I'm so glad you approached this in a fair and non-aggressive way. The woman didn't seem to be hostile, and reacting angrily ("what a dumb question!") would've been nothing but damaging.
@IloveJesus17
@IloveJesus17 Год назад
I love the apologetics because it helps to learn the hardest concepts, answer tough questions, and defends the faith 😄
@FyniEinuppa-gi8lh
@FyniEinuppa-gi8lh Год назад
Eating from that tree made you grow up and have to leave childhood behind. Travails come with parenting.
@cozmicmojo2181
@cozmicmojo2181 Год назад
Good thoughts. I always tell people too, Good and evil aren't independent forces out there that we tap into, God IS good. And every act in opposition to Him IS evil. You can act against God in any number of unprecedented ways with or without experience.
@zacharynash-pate291
@zacharynash-pate291 Год назад
Very well explanation Mr B!!!! Thank you so much!
@RedPenLogic
@RedPenLogic Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@dansaber5853
@dansaber5853 Год назад
​@@RedPenLogic it sounds like you're drinking milk from the school master. I do believe in Good and Evil. I have pre-fall morality. Which means trusting God is good and eating from the Tree of knowledge this evil. This is knowledge people perish for lack of. This is strong meat. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. There's a way that seems right but is really the way to death.
@zacharynash-pate291
@zacharynash-pate291 Год назад
@@dansaber5853 Do you ever look at your motives and say anything bad about yourself?
@dansaber5853
@dansaber5853 Год назад
@@zacharynash-pate291 We can all imagine what the perfect version of ourselves would be; lover of oneself. Willing to break down the door which is Jesus Christ to get at him; rejecting the diversity God Made You with. Which is like rocks upon the head and around the neck. This is what's common to man. The desire to become like him is to become a strange flesh. To become The Shining one. The false prophet. Because his identity will not save you. Give up the old man.
@zacharynash-pate291
@zacharynash-pate291 Год назад
@@dansaber5853 I'm sorry but are you delighting in yourself right now? I didn't ask you for any of those things. Your wasting your time and energy. Show me that you can be humble and answer what was asked.
@PetarStamenkovic
@PetarStamenkovic Год назад
I cannot help but notice the similarity between what was said in this video and various expressions of Christian thought. Namely the idea that a single person can interpret the Bible on their own, appears to be very prideful- wise in our own eyes idea. Also that what we think and believe can in any meaningful way be divorced from what we do. I think the speaker here correctly points out that it is our actions that demonstrate what we believe. At any rate, thank you for the video! I enjoy listening to your videos.
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 Год назад
Also the people who believe they can think their way to salvation or progress as humans, aka atheist.
@SupHapCak
@SupHapCak Год назад
I don’t agree We should be free to interpret the Bible in the case of fascists who adhere to globalism over freedom and God’s word get in there and add “the 11th commandment - obey the government” This is also why I don’t respect papal authority. Jesus put one guy in charge to oversee what was already established. A council elects new guys who will do their bidding well enough and change the teachings to fit their needs.
@PetarStamenkovic
@PetarStamenkovic Год назад
@@SupHapCak I'm not a Catholic and I was careful to say that a single person cannot interpret the bible- whatever authority we wish to give to them. I believe it produces various errors and deviations. Given that, I do not think that the current pope is particularly bad. He is merely politically left and that politics has become increasingly authoritarian and overbearing. His political views are reflection of the times. Still, as far as I can tell, doctrinally he is upholding the faith well. He didn't change it more than it already was, since the schism.
@joshuawolfsohn
@joshuawolfsohn Год назад
🔥🔥🔥
@nathanbustamante1525
@nathanbustamante1525 Год назад
As a catholic, my understanding was that Adam knew exactly what he was doing and that the taking of knowledge of good and evil for themselves is a symbolic act of trying to determine what is good and evil. God says, "they have become like one of us, knowing good and evil". This seems to me to be the sin that pervades our entire culture and the whole world. The world wants to be the arbiter of morality. Those so much to say about adam and eve. Like how Adam may have given into the temptation of satan because of his fear of death. So interesting!
@truthspreader1996
@truthspreader1996 Год назад
Amen, Red Pen Logic!
@throwejo
@throwejo Год назад
Another thought to consider is that knowledge of good and evil is not necessarily the same as knowledge of right and wrong. A dog doesn't understand the concept of moral good and evil, but can still understand when it has done something wrong. Adam and Eve were like simple animals in their understanding. They knew they shouldn't eat of the tree even though they didn't understand morally WHY they shouldn't eat. They knew it was wrong but didn't realize it was evil.
@yitsous2
@yitsous2 Год назад
God Said Gen. 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, ... The Serpent Said : Gen3:5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” After eating the fruit, this is what God admitted in Gen. 3:22 " Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”
@SupHapCak
@SupHapCak Год назад
Eating the fruit did give us our humanity then, our ability to possibly become close to God
@HearGodsWord
@HearGodsWord Год назад
If she's done more than one episode then she's done too many 😂
@dansaber5853
@dansaber5853 Год назад
You remind me of her
@HearGodsWord
@HearGodsWord Год назад
You're trolling on here as well then 🥱
@HearGodsWord
@HearGodsWord Год назад
@@dansaber5853 you reject Jesus and the Bible, so are rejecting the Way, the Truth and the Life.
@dansaber5853
@dansaber5853 Год назад
@@HearGodsWord I'm just here to discuss the literature. I'm not an idolater. If you take it seriously what are the consequences of knowing good and evil as God? Is it life... Or death? What do you think?
@HearGodsWord
@HearGodsWord Год назад
@@dansaber5853 see my previous comment.
@stuartdemerse7759
@stuartdemerse7759 Год назад
So, according to her logic, if someone commits a crime, but then says, they didn’t know that it was a crime, they should be let go with no consequences. It’s just a bad argument from the very start.
@marleneeisnor9719
@marleneeisnor9719 Год назад
Brilliantly explained. Tks
@JonGreen91
@JonGreen91 Год назад
Adam and Eve knew what they were doing, Adam more so. What they didn't know is just how bad it was going to get.
@muppetonmeds
@muppetonmeds Год назад
Yes that's how sin is at first it almost looks innocent like marijuana looks innocent you can't overdose on it you won't get a hangover so you get relaxed and try harder drugs and then it gets out of control.
@SupHapCak
@SupHapCak Год назад
If you get into harder drugs you aren’t doing marijuana anymore lol The harder drugs are the problem, not necessarily the marijuana as long as it doesn’t become a problem; like if you get addicted and start thinking of pot before God or your responsibilities every day It’s like those people who say abstinence doesn’t work - if you have sex you aren’t abstinent anymore. Not doing something usually works if you are trying not to do a bad thing. Abstinence worked a hell of a lot better than what they teach now I tell you what
@thelafffam1445
@thelafffam1445 Год назад
Amen, brother! I would add that the act of their disobeying God gave satan the power over the dominion God had given to Adam & Eve. God continued to seek community with them but THEY hid from Him, He didn’t “punish” them,as the woman in the video said, they gave up their authority to satan and gave him the ability to bring evil into their lives.
@niswr7319
@niswr7319 Год назад
1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) Also states: And Adam was NOT deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression Adam knew right from wrong, but he also didn’t want Eve to be the only one who did so, because he loved her, and ofc he feared what could happen to a piece of him. God Bless ❤
@germinationwide4life
@germinationwide4life Год назад
You can't make excuses forever...people think very highly of themselves.
@jamesplaysgames3574
@jamesplaysgames3574 Год назад
God knew what He was doing. He was creating free-will for humanity.
@Sunburst6520
@Sunburst6520 Год назад
Psalms 37:4 "Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart." Care for Jesus and Love him with all your remembering and imagining, by faith we understand that the seasons of life were framed by the word of God. Be thankful for the good. Love always believes and hopes which are two of the many things love does. King James Bible and pray for wisdom.
@zhengfuukusheng9238
@zhengfuukusheng9238 Год назад
Ahhh Psalms !!! Here's a Psalms verse: Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones 137:9
@dogelife7901
@dogelife7901 Год назад
​ Nothing wrong with being pro choice, Mr. Out of context religion guy.
@Basketballhighlights5928
@Basketballhighlights5928 Год назад
Thank you for this
@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754
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@nameless-yd6ko
@nameless-yd6ko Месяц назад
The allegorical 'Apple' in the allegorical Garden represents Thought/Ego/Duality! Life/death, good/evil, time, mortality... all duality, is all brought to us in thought! Of course they would 'live' and 'die' now that thought is practiced!
@charlieallansen9763
@charlieallansen9763 Год назад
Excellent video and well explained. Thank you!
@amadeusasimov1364
@amadeusasimov1364 Год назад
Thanks for sharing! And a good response! She thinks she's being cute, while sympathizing with the first and great act of sin, that our progenitors committed: Treason to the Throne of God. The Lord God would not curse His own creation for a mistake. It was no honest mistake, It was a conscious act of breaking their covenant. She is not only sympathizing with Eve's treason and Adam's complacency in it; she is also accusing the Lord God of giving them opportunity to break the covenant. "This woman that you gave me!" - "That tree that you gave them!" The Lord God was not keeping anything from them, He was protecting them. Hope she eventually sees that He is a good Master, and bends the knee to the King, and He will clean away her ignorance and slanderous treasonous heart.
@ministryofhealingfarm
@ministryofhealingfarm Год назад
Thank you I hope you sent this response to them. It's so annoying when a person who doesn't know God or the bible but feels they can some how reinterpret it.
@vivianraw
@vivianraw 4 месяца назад
Why did this particular Lord God mentioned in Genesis 2:4-3 want to keep Adam and Eve from knowledge of what was spiritually Good? I can think of reasons why God would want to keep them from evil; I can Not think of valid reasons why this particular Lord God would want to keep them from knowing what is Good. Can you?
@romandaigle455
@romandaigle455 7 месяцев назад
Your worshipping on the wrong day. Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. The 7th day of Genesis 2:2-3
@Acts-1915
@Acts-1915 Год назад
Easy: they had a CHOICE. Obey God.....or not. Not obeying = evil. All that was needed was the choice.
@lovedsavedandblessed
@lovedsavedandblessed Год назад
God doesn’t leave us clueless…some CHOOSE not to know…but the evidence and knowledge of God is written within every human being (Romans 1:18-22)
@trumpbellend6717
@trumpbellend6717 Год назад
Lol "Belief" is NOT a "choice" dear 😂😂😂
@thecourierNCR
@thecourierNCR Год назад
Also, as they were made in His image, they couldn’t be completely unaware.
@christianhayter
@christianhayter Год назад
That's a reflection of "his" character too. Works both ways Checkmate
@rabbithabbit
@rabbithabbit 11 месяцев назад
Listen everyone, God does what he want and nobody can stop him! Obey God! I’m speaking accurately about God! Y’all are talking about things you know nothing about! Repent and turn to God and obey him.
@hwd71
@hwd71 Год назад
Asking as a sincere Christian, Since God is all powerful, why wouldnt God have been able to reverse the effects of eating from the Tree Of Life if Adam and Eve ate from it? Would Adam and Eve be alive on Earth today if they did? Would they be beyond redemption?
@mr.m4n446
@mr.m4n446 Год назад
Adam walked with God in the Garden in the cool of the day receiving KNOWLEDGE about his place in it. Adam knew what God wanted from him, his love and obedience, God wanted a family thus we are made in his image. When Lucifer saw the revelation of man walking with God, via the fiery stones, he went into a jealous rage. Psalm 8:4 KJV "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?"
@LarnetteWalker-h7w
@LarnetteWalker-h7w 4 месяца назад
Adam and eve were punished for disobeying God's commandment. Thou shalt not. The ten commandments was given to Moses. Do you know the Commandments of God given unto us in the new testament. Under this New covenant. Do you know what God have said for us not to do? Are you obeying. So before you try to judge God's actions in the case of Adam and eve are you obedient unto what he has told You to do? I know the answer is no. You have an evil Spirit of running your mouth, when you are disobedient. You and the woman are disobedient.
@francmendoza1642
@francmendoza1642 6 месяцев назад
Yes but.... God knew they would eat from it and yes I know free will and all that but...why knowing everything God decided to put the tree in the garden? And knowing how many will go to hell.... gosh sorry but the story makes no sense at all, more I read the Bible more I see it like politics do what I say or else and put the dollar in the basket... basically fier tactics.
@tersan5043
@tersan5043 Год назад
Gotta love how someone who doesn’t STUDY the doctrine has the “meaning” of it all worked out. 😂😅 And when believers who DO study it say that’s not the point, this woman and others will say “then you’re deluded.” Don’t argue with unbelievers. The truth is HIDDEN from them supernaturally. Don’t act like YOU don’t remember when the Bible was foolishness to your unsaved behind.
@sonyamihaylova1433
@sonyamihaylova1433 8 месяцев назад
It is written:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13-3
@markwaki3950
@markwaki3950 Год назад
Very concise👍. They already had a level of wisdom by faith (Rom 12:3) By the lady's logic, Cain couldn't have known that it was wrong to slay his brother, because there was no commandment against it at the time in scripture.
@dadofgio
@dadofgio 8 месяцев назад
I have another interpretation of the knowledge of good and evil. So in a perfect scenario where Adam and Eve did not disobey the Lord, they will never experience or "have a knowledge" of true evil in Paradise unless they have disobeyed God. They would never have had knowledge of death and destruction only if they had obeyed.
@apostolrobertocomesanas
@apostolrobertocomesanas Год назад
God didn't punish them, He explained the consequence's of their actions. He also made provision for redemption! Her logic is corrupted by her ignorance.
@TEWMUCH
@TEWMUCH Год назад
They did know cuz God told them. End of story. Lol That was simply their choice to proceed. Poor lady. Smh
@Wildslayer50
@Wildslayer50 Год назад
My understanding of it is: Eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil marked our departure from depending on God's evaluation of what is good versus what is evil, but instead now making up our own morality as we go. In addition to this, Man had not "known" or had first hand experience of Evil /suffering prior to eating of that tree.
@bendowson3124
@bendowson3124 Год назад
I'm not sure I agree with that. The first thing that happened when they ate the fruit was that they "realised they were naked" which is symbolic of their spiritual rebellion against God which is sin. This has nothing to do with humans defining their own morality.
@Ginger_H
@Ginger_H Год назад
I was of the impression that they had no “knowledge of good and evil” because they lived in the presence of God. They had everything good. God warned them of exactly what would happen if they ate the fruit, they would die (Genesis 2:7) They were made in Gods image, they weren’t stupid, they knew what that meant. But they also had free will, and when they wanted more than God, as in what the devil tempted them with, extra knowledge and to be like God, they got their punishment. When we strive to exalt ourselves over the Sovereignty and Sufficiency of God, and disobey his commandments, well we always suffer consequences don’t we?
@sophiasisson9500
@sophiasisson9500 Год назад
Hey Mr. B! So, we are on the way home from the Seek and You Will Find conference right now and a question came up that I was wondering if you could give me an answer, although it's not too much in your genre of videos. We were talking about NF (a supposed Christian rapper) and his new song, Motto. We were wondering why, if he were a believer, he would consistently use the Lord's name in vain. We are not sure if maybe he is not using the Lord's name in vain and we can't recognize it, or if he is but there's an excuse, but we were hoping you could answer this for us. Thank you so much! -Sophie
@BatMite19
@BatMite19 Год назад
I don't mean any disrespect for that lady, but she seems to have taken a very simplistic approach to the text. Very often, when people attack the Bible, they have no knowledge that theologians have spent the last 2000 years analyzing, wrestling with, and studying the scriptures.
@madmintentertainment6268
@madmintentertainment6268 Год назад
Ok, Point 1) "She knew the tree was good because it "was good for food and pleasing to the eyes" . Good aesthetically and Good situationally are not the same as Good morally. This point doesnt work. 2.) "God gave them the command so they must have been aware it was good to obey and bad to disobey." No, it doesn't it means god gave them an order, not that they would understand it. I make computers. I work with AI, Before installing morality AI will follow an order logically or disobey if its illogical. Human's are the same, with their limited knowledge it would make no sense why this tree cannot be eaten from. And god does not elaborate, Morality has nothing to do with it. They had no way of understanding that this was evil. 3.) God never offered Adam nor Eve wisdom, so the idea that they chose to take it over somehow earning it is not only speculation, but ridiculous speculation. They never would have gained emotional maturity living in a world where everything was provided for them. 4.) "to fear god is wisdom" nah, If your god had to create a universe and still demand to be feared in order to be loved then there clearly isnt anything worth loving or respecting about him. I recommend reading "brave new world" by Aldous Huxley. Eden was not a paradise, it was its own hell. Finally, your interpretation of god is saying "I give you freedom to fear me" ... Honestly I feel sorry for anyone who feels they have to live under something like this. You have no free will.
@averageskyfatherworshipper9342
“You shouldn’t have eaten the fruit” “But I did eat the fruit” “I know but you shouldn’t have” “Whatchu talmbout? I just told you I ate it”
@GD-tn3ez
@GD-tn3ez Год назад
Apologetics is very interesting. Personally I just don’t care what non believers think. I’m watching their way unfold and it’s a total mess that they have no answers for. Ironic isn’t it?
@creativename6869
@creativename6869 Год назад
Hi, I just watched a 2 year old video of you beautifully dismantling arguments against God's existence and felt that it would be useless to comment on it if I want a response. As an agnostic, I see both theists and atheists as believers because both make a leap of faith. Claiming God's existence or God's inexistence is an epistemological failure for the simple reason of "how can you know?" Let me elaborate, imagine you were in the back of a closed truck and you wanted to move it, this task would be impossible because no matter how hard you pushed it forward, your presence in the truck doesn't allow you to meddle with it externally. The same for understanding things that are external to the universe. The universe being the truck and the understanding, moving it. Even if you look at God as the universe itself like many spiritualists you cannot comprehend it. I would love to see your response to my argument. Thanks
@HonestlyNow4Real
@HonestlyNow4Real Год назад
Adam and Eve knew only good. To seek knowledge of good AND evil was to seek knowledge of evil. God told them not to know evil - that's a very good and loving command. To defy it is to choose evil. They did so only under temptation, which further demonstrates that they in fact "knew what they were doing."
@FyniEinuppa-gi8lh
@FyniEinuppa-gi8lh Год назад
You shall not eat from it doesn't mean you can't eat from it, Eve saw the man in Adam and it looked good. Adam wasn't aware of the wiles of a woman, but he enjoyed it and blamed her for what happened but they both took part and both had to leave their innocence behind. The Garden of Eden. Stop over thinking God, that's why you have the Spirit to guide you. But your soul is hardheaded at times and can be bought with shiny things. Listen in Peace. 4
@bigburton24
@bigburton24 Год назад
People like this woman have been deceived by the serpent indeed… Exile from the garden was protection, not punishment… we were separated from God, and God said He didn’t want us eating from the tree of life. We took something on our own terms and the fall was the result of that action. God is good.
@Ellomarshall50
@Ellomarshall50 Год назад
These atheists are always so confident in their logic. But their reasoning is always easily debunked.
@atlaslesueur171
@atlaslesueur171 10 месяцев назад
Can the Lord not be Curious ? It says he brought the animals to Adam to see what he would call them. I don't believe God designed things to turn out the way they did. I am a Jealous GOD says The Lord Yes Adam and Eve knew Better and they chose Wrong
@AztecWench
@AztecWench Год назад
this is pretty obvious if you really READ the text which for some.. is hard.
@jacksonian1723
@jacksonian1723 11 месяцев назад
Do you think that any of these Christianity debunkers have any idea that they're not the first people to ever have these doubts? Why do so many of them act like they're the one who finally figured it out? It feels very fitting that this woman is showing sympathy towards the first people who ever doubted God.
@paulcaucci2528
@paulcaucci2528 Год назад
What a fool believes!!! Judgement is coming soon to the wicked because of their unbelief. There is no mercy in the grave only the eternal damnation of those who reject the love of God in Christ Jesus while they still have a chance to repent and be forgiven for all they have done while alive.
@CorbinMusso88
@CorbinMusso88 Год назад
On today’s episode, we laugh very loudly in the face of the scoffers and walk the other direction to keep believing in Jesus.
@wargumbyx
@wargumbyx Год назад
to be wise in their own eyes is in concept a belief that this being who created everything you see before you and things you may never see, can somehow know less about what is good for you than you. the bible is an odd thing in that what is almost never mentioned is that virtually the entire book is a reference to the idea that what comes naturally to humans whether you call it a gut feeling, instinct or some other term... it is usually bad for you. this is further supported in stories like job where he begins to have his life stripped away and many take the natural understanding that god has turned against him and he should likewise abandon god, failing to understand that if only good ever happens for someone their faith can never be proven genuine which happens to be what satan claims before job is tested. again in (i think it was paul) pauls rejection of being jesus's friend his natural reaction in that moment is to distance himself from jesus in order to avoid sharing jesus's fate, or in the story of cain and able (the first story of left and right) cain refusing to put his wants above his responsibilities, while his brother's priority is responsibility first. cain then (in classic dunnig kreuger syndrome style) attributes his own poor choices and actions to god not rewarding him the same way able is rewarded even though he claims he is doing enough of what he is supposed to in order to deserve the promised rewards. and his instinct which has played out the same way for like minded people for thousands of years after that story...was to kill the person/s being unfairly rewarded by what to him(later others) was a clearly rigged game
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