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The history of India Pale Ale is fraught with cliches, inaccuracies and pure invention - so we met with award-winning author and beer historian Martyn Cornell to get to the bottom of it then taste through the evolution it has been on ever since. This is the definitive (ish) history of the IPA!
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@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Don't forget to check out our feature length documentary, also featuring the wonderful Martyn Cornell. If you want more beer history check our his books: www.amazon.co.uk/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B0034PY5ZE
@amruck1942
@amruck1942 Год назад
To anyone in London and interested in trying something similar to the original IPAs, I really recommend 1892 IPA by Beerblefish. Its about 7% and has a lot of brett character (brettanomyces claussenii I think the strain is called? Its the strain isolated from an old English ale). Apparently pretty accurate to Victorian era recipes, but without the barrel aging. Very complex and fascinating to drink
@richharper8159
@richharper8159 Год назад
Yes indeed. I managed to score a bottle of that at the tap room during BrewCon. Actually mentioned it to Jonny before his IPA talk. Looking forward to trying it soon.
@DanCohoon
@DanCohoon Год назад
These guys always tell me I was drinking great beer. Sierra Nevada was my first independent beer that I loved.
@abgbrew
@abgbrew Год назад
I've always thought of Orval as a contaminated ESB rather than a 19th century IPA but Martyn makes a great point (as usual). I've visited the Abbey and drank the water from the well. Styrian Goldings was used for years as the dry hop, Strisselspalt is used more recently. At 9 months old it is absolutely sublime
@bandsbikesandboozereviews
@bandsbikesandboozereviews Год назад
Good point. I've always compared the dark Trappist beers to the English old ale style/barley wine in that it's malt forward and with a high ABV.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Well the ESB was really invented in the 1970s at Fullers, while Orval goes back much further! So it is probably safe to assume it was inspired by the pale beers of the UK , especially as I believe one of the key brewmasters spent time there
@bandsbikesandboozereviews
@bandsbikesandboozereviews Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Would you believe that Fuller's ESB was considered by many to be headbanging juice by many due to it's relatively high ABV back in the 1980s.
@oscarosullivan4513
@oscarosullivan4513 Год назад
We don’t really brew bitter’s over here.
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
Styrian Goldings is, of course, really Fuggles …
@MadeByMartyn
@MadeByMartyn Год назад
I'd throw Pete Brown's "Hops and Glory" into the mix. He brewed, with Steve Wellington, head brewer at the White Shield Brewery (Museum Brewery at the National Brewery Centre - shut down by Molson Coors 9 days ago) an ale which they called Calcutta IPA that Brown eventually managed to take to India, by sea. The final chapter provides a beautifully succinct potted history of the brewers and politics of Burton.
@Thatdavemarsh
@Thatdavemarsh Год назад
Great history. As a Canadian I am familiar with (and enjoy) the us west coast ipas (eg Russian River’s) as well as the east coast and all our locals in Ontario. I recently visited London and really enjoyed the green king offerings. They were a nicely flavored ipa without the ABV. I’ve not found a light ipa with the same good flavour on this side of the pond.
@liambrown911
@liambrown911 Год назад
Fantastic video to watch whilst sipping Juipur and traveling to Finsbury park to watch the football this evening!
@jerseyhovidea
@jerseyhovidea 3 месяца назад
Splendid! Thank you very much guys!
@randwacker1593
@randwacker1593 Год назад
I grew up downwind from Sierra Nevada. THANK YOU for recognizing it in this cannon. Amazing video!
@tubinreo
@tubinreo 8 месяцев назад
Great video! Thanks! Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is my absolute main stay. Has been for several years. I did start out with Liberty Ale decades ago. I have an unopened bottle of Liberty Ale from the 1980's. I kept it because it had an error on the label, i.e. print omitted from banners and anchor. Another good one was Sam Adams Boston Ale (not lager), but I haven't seen that one in about 10 years.
@RevolvermannOnline
@RevolvermannOnline Год назад
Grewing up in Northern Germany Pils was synonymous to "beer" and thats pretty much all you could get in a pub or bar. Visiting London in 2015, a Bengal Lancer ( in Ye Olde Mitre Tavern of all places, no kidding) was my first IPA and the beginning of my craft beer journey. Great channel btw. And congrats to the UK Craft Beer Scene
@M3EEKS
@M3EEKS Год назад
Love Bengal Lancer. Unfortunately I don't think we can get it in the States anymore
@robw7676
@robw7676 Год назад
Bengal Lancer is a mass market regional beer & a bloody good one. As an ex-brewer, I see "craft" beer as a foreign concept. We just have real beer from different sized breweries!
@ryancue7809
@ryancue7809 Год назад
Really well put together content. Music, video, script. All solid.
@abhiruplahiri1
@abhiruplahiri1 Год назад
Never expected to see an Orval in an IPA video. Very informative video indeed. Cheers.
@eligar7830
@eligar7830 Год назад
Was stuck having to drink Newcastle last night at a pizza pub because it was the only brown ale they had and everything else was IPAs or industrial lagers. I can’t tolerate the bitterness of IPA and I’m sick to death of it being the only craft selections on menus. Bring back tasty and balanced brown ales!
@thefirespectrum
@thefirespectrum Год назад
The IPA craze has become so unhinged, producing ludicrously hoppy IPAs for the sake of out-hopping the competition, that it's not worth trying IPAs anymore. It's sad, really. It has such interesting history, but the hops arms race has ruined craft beer menus the world over.
@eligar7830
@eligar7830 Год назад
@@thefirespectrum agreed!
@ryan82scott
@ryan82scott Год назад
Your comments about SNPA being not as dry makes me think of what happened with Three Floyds; I find that their hoppy ales (Alpha King, Zombie Dust, Dreadnaught, etc.) are much sweeter than their earlier counterparts. To me, their meaningful innovation was in discovering that sweet malts + fresh hops = juicy, hoppy beer. We are in their debt today with the newest generation of hoppy beers.
@dudestewbrews
@dudestewbrews Год назад
Glad there was that one decision to use a different hop. 😀 Facinating stuff you guys. Love these little segments you do.
@Jango1989
@Jango1989 Год назад
Great video! This goes really well with your brilliant documentary. Fascinating to learn about the history of beer.
@Les1Tom
@Les1Tom Год назад
Fascinating and very informative video guys, Martyn is a great source of information - good work 👏
@ohmightyzeus6135
@ohmightyzeus6135 Год назад
I really do love the history videos. I like all of the stuff here, but the somewhat deeper history pieces really blow my skirt up. Thanks chaps!
@matthewschmidt5548
@matthewschmidt5548 Год назад
Prior to Prohibition, there were many American IPAs but only one resurfaced after the law was repealed. That beer was Ballantine IPA, a true British style India Pale Ale. Ballantine IPA and their XXX Ale thrived until the 1960’s. They brewed beer until the early 1970’s and unfortunately went out of business after being sold and relocated a number of times.
@cigartexan6368
@cigartexan6368 Год назад
My fridge is full everyday with Sierra Nevada Pale Ale! Great video gents!
@davidadkins4457
@davidadkins4457 Год назад
Thanks for this; I've always considered Sierra Nevada to be an 'American' IPA, not just for the high hopping rates (bittering and late Cascade additions) but also the 5.6% ABV gets a tad closer to the original 'India' PAs.
@Doupyourflies
@Doupyourflies Год назад
In the late Eighties, in Boston and Connecticut there was a real micro brewery explosion but everything was very ale like if it wasn't an American style lager. I never came across Sierra Nevada. In '96 I tried my first IPA... a local Washington State brewer that had a pub / hotel chain, McMenamins. Best beer I'd ever tasted and became hooked. Returned to UK, saw Sierra Nevada but it was nothing like McMenamins. Then Punk IPA arrived, very close to McMenamins IPA but not as good.
@crazybeardedbeerreviews5505
I have to say your channel is one of my favorite ones to watch. Thank you for the content you put out and cheers.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Thanks so much!
@davidmallard8729
@davidmallard8729 Год назад
Great video chaps! Am always drawn back to Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, not because of its significance in craft brewing but because it is such a ruddy delicious beer. However, the SNPA in bottles is 'knocked into touch' by fresh kegged SNPA in the US. Unsure if the kegs reach UK shores but they definitely don't make it as far as Sweden! Recently returned from 2 weeks in USA - Denver, Colorado and San Francisco - a shout out to the American craft scene which is alive and kicking! Didn't make it up to Chico but thoroughly enjoyed the Anchor Brewery tour. Love n Beer!!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We do indeed get kegs in the UK! Happily enjoyed many pints of it tasting fresher than most of the bottles.
@baldrust
@baldrust Год назад
As an American, I'm actually a bit dismayed regarding the direction the American IPA has taken here. Most of the enthusiasm is toward a very citrusy and fruity profile, and it has pretty much taken over the IPA shelves. I am not a fan at all of the New England or Farmhouse variants. Finding an IPA in the British style here has become very difficult, especially by American Brewers. I've pretty much moved on from the American IPA, and have focused more on traditional pale ales or stouts. Recommendations are welcome however!
@BeverageHunters
@BeverageHunters Год назад
This is great!! Good job on the video. Learned a lot. This what i have been wanting to do on my channel. Keep it up!
@mrougelot
@mrougelot Год назад
I could easily have gone through a hundred guesses before coming up with Orval. Great stuff guys!
@filmscorefreak
@filmscorefreak Год назад
Anchor's Liberty Ale is very underrated and doesn't get enough credit. It's actually a SMASH beer (using cascades), came out in 1976, I prefer it over SNPA. Great episode, enjoy hearing the older generations laying it down.
@disonymity
@disonymity Год назад
SNPA is more of an APA than an american IPA
@filmscorefreak
@filmscorefreak Год назад
@@disonymity I'm aware, I mentioned it because they used it as a point of comparison/benchmark in the video
@nealmann180
@nealmann180 Год назад
I was drinking IPAs while watching this! 🍺
@georgerobartes2008
@georgerobartes2008 Год назад
Hodgsons at Bow Bridge Brewery near St Marys Church brewed an " October Beer " which was ' little different from a good farmhouse beer of old ' which became that which was shipped to India . The strength would have been much higher . For that go to William Cobbett's " Cottage Economy " of 1823 of which half the book is devoted to brewing and fermenting alcoholic drinks including the strong 'farmhouse beers ' using "15 bushels of Malted barley to 15 lb of good Kentish hops" and has included the methods of drawing the stronger to small beers . Also includes other recipes including using sweet peas with malted barley using one of the many pea varieties available in the 18th C like the ' Grey ' pea . Very sweet when ripened in the pod . The yeast is very important for flavour as Adnams found out in the late 70s early 80s when their yeast become sick and they had to go to Greene King to continue to brew Southwold Bitter from Greene King yeast which was not the same product . Greene King had just acquired Rayments in Furneux Pelham in Herts , which was producing BBA , a much better product than anything Greene King produced and promptly closed Rayments down . Allsops was still brewing in the 70s as an independent brewery , but Hodgsons became Hodgsons & Abbott's in around the 1840s and just Abbott's Brewery soon after . The Lea was also a source of distillers of London Gin another (export to malaria infested country's along with quinine tonic waters) , the last one that was situated close to the Les Stort Navigation basin closed in the 80s . For a real IPA or October Beer , grab some S.B. yeast ( which was also used for bread making ) , Golding hops and follow Mr Cobbett's instructions using sweet water . You will need an oak cast ( although much was secondary fermented in bottles ) , dry hop the brew in the cask and roll it from side to side for 6 months preferably in a salty equable climate as this will also change the character of the beer as this ensures the top fermenting yeast is constantly mixed back in and the lees disturbed . Then you can say that this is a real IPA .
@michelhv
@michelhv Год назад
All hands on deck, prepare for the nitpicking storm a-coming!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
I pity the person who goes up against Martyn!
@GlobalNomadPete
@GlobalNomadPete Год назад
I recommend anyone watching this to read Pete Brown's Hops and Glory. You won't be disappointed.
@HayTatsuko
@HayTatsuko Год назад
Enjoyed whilst sipping on an Elysian Brewing Altered Contact IPA, a very sour, fruity one from Seattle, Washington.
@Thatdavemarsh
@Thatdavemarsh Год назад
Those are some tasty breweries mentioned. I agree with you pics but miss that we can’t get dogfishead hear in Ontario to the north
@terryhodkin1851
@terryhodkin1851 Год назад
Maybe you could do a collab brew with Fullers using one of their old recipes under their past masters series. Would be very interesting to see old recipes
@milesbrown8016
@milesbrown8016 Год назад
Very good documentary. Well done 🍻
@Stevesulsh
@Stevesulsh Год назад
Great to see the follow up thanks lads really enjoyed, off the back of the last video I've got a St Peters Ipa kit on the go don't have space for all grain equipment in my apartment just small batch biab stuff on the stove or kits so don't be too hard on me, looking forward to tasting some Kent hops again 😀
@oliverhemmings1978
@oliverhemmings1978 Год назад
A few years ago I had bengle lancer on cask and it was amazing, I wish I could find it again.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Not sure it even exists on cask any more sadly
@bandsbikesandboozereviews
@bandsbikesandboozereviews Год назад
Really interesting video fellas, nice one. Great choice on Bengal Lancer too. I"m surprised you didn't mention the orange zest that I always get in Bengal Lancer, it's a huge part of the flavour from my experience.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Gotta be honest, not sure how fresh that bottle was......
@Disco-Terry
@Disco-Terry Год назад
Great stuff as always, love an Orval!
@DudesBrews
@DudesBrews Год назад
Great follow up to the Now IPA video, cheers guys!
@jonathanstancill7941
@jonathanstancill7941 Год назад
Love Martyn's short histories of IPA's and most of his thoughts I totally agree with. But I hope I can make a small addition as a brewer of 43 yrs. The other reason for the success of exporting Pale Ale to India that had been brewed in Burton-Upon-Trent was the high sulphur content of the water. In Martyn's explanation he lists clarity ( normally XS Calcium in the liqour) and spriz? ( lots of carbonate in the same) but the sulphur (normally present in brewing liquor as CaSo4 or gypsum) is possibly the best bacteriostat here and is the reason why Burton beers of all styles suffer from the 'Burton Stench'. So the IPA's from Burton had extra natural preservatives in them than beers brewed in ............Sheffield? Yes......they did and that is probably why the Burton brewed beers mostly survived the boat trip to India without going sour. Burton Stench can be very mild and that is just a slight whiff that you can detect in a well kept pint of Pedegree or Adnams Best . It can also enter the 'Bad Egg Zone' and that is H2S........rotton eggs!!!!! and nobody that I know likes this. Ok my point..........Burton got a reputation for brewing the best beers based on the fact that the IPA's they produced lasted all the way to India but sometime's all that additional flavour from the natural preservatives may diminish the flavour and the moreishness or the drink.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We mentioned gypsum?!
@AdamKeele
@AdamKeele Год назад
And sadly, Hazy Little Thing, for the first time in Sierra Nevada’s history, now out sells their former most produced beer, Pale Ale.
@alejandroramirez4470
@alejandroramirez4470 11 месяцев назад
I just had HLT at the movie theater this past weekend. I much prefer the original PA still because it's not as bitter from what I can tell.
@jhammer1979
@jhammer1979 Год назад
Try the Kona Brewing Hanalei Island IPA!
@tedhodge4830
@tedhodge4830 Год назад
As an American beer drinker, I have to say that I'm rather tired of IPAs. You must understand that I go to the supermarket now, and the shelves are coated in varieties of IPA, often with unnecessary "fruit" variants of questionable character. This is probably still novel to Europeans, but they have quite done it to death here. I can scarcely refer to the industry as craft any more, especially knowing that the major contribution to the recipe was a unique variety of hop. While I will never look askew at the finer classics in the style like Lagunitas or Dogfish 90 Minute, I just pace the beer aisle these days and grimace. I feel much more at home at an alcohol emporium where I spend considerably more time at the European import section, typically the shelves with the Belgian beers. It's time for craft brewers in America to invent something new, and I don't mean a peanut butter IPA with pickle juice or a raspberry seltzer.
@scottsrathskeller
@scottsrathskeller Год назад
Thanks great video. Did one myself not long ago but i am just an amateur on you tube lol thanks. Love all your videos
@dvitsupakorn
@dvitsupakorn Год назад
Great content! Huge fan!
@williammahley4876
@williammahley4876 Год назад
Good job! Interesting…, after sampling hundreds of “IPA’s” I keep coming back to Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Now I have to scare up some Orval😳
@journeyofbear6423
@journeyofbear6423 Год назад
I always tell people if they like grapefruit juice they may like an IPA.
@paulandersonanderson1444
@paulandersonanderson1444 Год назад
Hi Guys, Thanks for another great show. Are you going to release your British IPA recipe. We can’t buy it down here in Australia
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We already have released it! It's here: community.grainfather.com/recipes/886090
@mark747
@mark747 Год назад
What was the second bottle of beer drunk?
@vijayramachandran3559
@vijayramachandran3559 Год назад
Fantastic video! Did the Brett come from the barrels? Or was it the primary fermenting yeast? Or just mixed in with some Sac strain?
@STEVENABROWNE
@STEVENABROWNE Год назад
He forgot to mention one notable bit of trade the East India Comany dealt in: slaves.
@williammahley4876
@williammahley4876 Год назад
P.S., I found a bottle of Brasserie d'Orval Trappist Ale. I found it eerily reminiscent of my first home brews. Actually quite good, very complex with layered flavors and aromas. If it’s close to the original India Pale Ales those colonials were pretty lucky. Fortunately German immigrants made English imports unnecessary here…🍺
@Isn1831
@Isn1831 Год назад
Cool stuff
@curtisbrause9255
@curtisbrause9255 Год назад
I’ve always had the assumption that beer back in the day almost had to have Brett in it because there was no way (to my knowledge) that you’d be able to keep everything sanitized like brewers are able to today with Star San and other products. I also assume most beer was pretty oxidized as well.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
It's not a bad assumption, but many beers would have been clean at least to start - back in the 1700/1800s some beers would have been served super fresh before the brett took hold (brett is very slow), while others were aged on purpose to get what they called a "stale" character. Both IPA and Porter would have been aged to be bretty.
@curtisbrause9255
@curtisbrause9255 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel That’s a good point that Brett ferments much slower than Saccharomyces so it would be pretty clean if served fresh.
@theefishlippedone
@theefishlippedone Год назад
India has a tradition of brewing that goes back to 1200BCE, so it was a bit of coals to Newcastle, although the first breweries began in the 1830s. I wonder if the hops were imported or grown locally? I'm guessing pales were the most popular
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
The first brewery to be opened in India by a European was in Meerut, in 1825.
@BryonLape
@BryonLape Год назад
Beer bottles sitting in bright sunshine. Dollars to doughnuts that's what is causing the liveliness.
@Stuff572
@Stuff572 Год назад
Are you drinking it warm / room temp?
@anonymouscrank
@anonymouscrank Год назад
I believe the link that connects the early nineteenth century pale ale brewed for India and Sierra Nevada is Ballantine of Newark, NJ. Ballentine was probably the last brewery in the U.S. true to British brewing tradition (in contrast to the predominant German and Czech tradition) and Sierra Nevada's founders have admitted as much. (Even Hunter Thompson was a devotee of Ballantine.) Sadly, these insanely hoppy beers brewed by Ballentine--so unlike anything else on the market--were no longer available by the mid-70s.
@jordanbuttkevitz6895
@jordanbuttkevitz6895 Год назад
Don’t forget the legendary Russian River Pliny the Elder (north or San Francisco) - it’s been ranked by many as the best example of an America IPA. You guys must try it!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We've had it many times and interviewed the brewer way back in 2016! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5Do0iwtPQh0.html
@derek0godfrey
@derek0godfrey Год назад
Pliny the Elder represents a new style of IPA in America and is being copied by others.
@alejandroramirez4470
@alejandroramirez4470 11 месяцев назад
not terrible but many now have brewed better doubles imo. New breweries just don't have the legacy to be widely known, so you have to find them through the wbc or gabf each year. They have one beer aged in wine barrels I tried that I thought was great though.
@artfrontgalleries1818
@artfrontgalleries1818 Год назад
I live in Newark, NJ, USA. I get IPA's made in California, the Northeast US and from a hyper local (Newark Local Beer) everything is "hoppy", bitter and almost tastes warm (not sharp). At the moment, I am happily ensconced in Florence, Italy (2 more weeks of 5). The beer here can be quite nice. There is a craft brewery a few blocks away that makes a couple of really delicious ales. Most of it is bland and disappointing
@kevinpayne3482
@kevinpayne3482 Год назад
Your bloody steering wheel is on the wrong side of the damn car! 🙃😁🍻
@Bodypaintguy
@Bodypaintguy 11 месяцев назад
In America , IPAs are basically a carrying device for the most fowl citrus rinds they can find. I can handle the hops, but why does have to taste like I’m chewing on an orange rind.
@louchemobile
@louchemobile Год назад
Ken Grossman. not Steve Grossman, founded SN. Steve is Ken's brother and he does work for the company, but he is not the founder.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Yep apologies
@martinparmer
@martinparmer Год назад
The movement in flavor from the British IPA to the American IPA wasn't just the hops, it also was heavily impacted by the different yeast strains as well. Otherwise, a very informative video. Thanks
@weirding_123
@weirding_123 Год назад
Very true, I have brewed some British IPA's using American hops and British yeasts and they are still distinctly British IPA's
@kroggydog
@kroggydog Год назад
Sierra Nevada brewery campus in Chico,CA is a spectaclar destination
@marshallrobson7297
@marshallrobson7297 Год назад
In London over Christmas (from australia) where are peoples go to craft breweries and pubs?
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
The Southampton Arms, The Beer Merchants Tap, Stormbird, The Harp for pubs. Taprooms hit up the Bermondsey Beer Mile and the Blackhorse Beer Mile.
@marshallrobson7297
@marshallrobson7297 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel thanks legends much appreciated
@d4funky1
@d4funky1 Год назад
What's the point in voting for a thumbnail if you just go with the option that loses?
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Sorry it looked like that. After all the feedback and tweaks we decided the map would work best. The other image is being used in social posts.
@ryangalinat952
@ryangalinat952 Год назад
Liberty ale by Anchor Steam was available for purchase in 1975 that was the first American IPA
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Indeed! But it was never called that until much, much later. Same with SNPA
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel There is also the question of just how influential Liberty Ale was - nbothing like as much as SNPA, I'd say. So in the history of modern IPA, SNPA deserves the kudos.
@alejandroramirez4470
@alejandroramirez4470 11 месяцев назад
since their liquidation I only got to try their WCIPA and it was a fine one
@dampaul13
@dampaul13 Год назад
I haven't watched it yet but in your doco, The Time is Now, do you talk about October Beers and their morphing/influence/link to the history of IPA's? "Brett eats all the sugars..." I'm not sure Brett eats "all the sugars" that saccharomyces can't, but eats a varying percentage of those fermentable/unfermentable sugars (attenuation), depending on the strain. I also think those different strains of Brett have varying abilities regarding the type of unfermentable sugar they can consume.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Hey - so no we don't. Our documentary is more about the future of English IPA than its past, hence why we released this one afterwards. As for brett, it definitely does depend on the strain, but given the high temps of the journey and the time it took we can assume these beers were as close to 0 plato as any palate could discern.
@dampaul13
@dampaul13 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Thanks for the info, I'll watch it soon. I thought October Beers would have got a mention given that they were effective a precursor for IPA's.
@trevecchi1766
@trevecchi1766 Год назад
Isn’t Martyn just repeating what is already in Pete Brown’s book Hops and Glory?
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
I wouldn't say that - Martyn has been researching these things for decades and likely shared their resources.
@trevecchi1766
@trevecchi1766 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Sorry if I was wrong.
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
No, Pete Brown was repeating what was in my book, Beer: The Story of the Pint.
@trevecchi1766
@trevecchi1766 Год назад
@@martyncornell1070 Then, my apologies.
@bennolan6802
@bennolan6802 Год назад
Interesting stuff! Great work, thank guys. So why did the rank and file get porter while the officers got pale ale? Cos it was nicer or more expensive to produce? Just social convention? Something else?!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Price mostly! Porter was significantly cheaper due to the malt used, and was in fact invented to be cheap when duty on malt when up.
@dirkjmdemol
@dirkjmdemol Год назад
Dry hopping was used much earlyer in 'Saison beers'. These beers had natural yeasts, who were not named yet. 'geuze beers' are as old and also have natural yeast, later named as Brettanmyces Lambicus and the Brett yeast you refer to... Check your stories!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Hi Dirk - we never say that IPA was the first style to be dry hopped, only that it was dry hopped unlike most British styles at the time As for Brett, this yeast would have been in most beers around the world back then, not just IPA and lambic, but the family was named after the British as it was first isolated in British beer.
@jackhorzempa3962
@jackhorzempa3962 Год назад
Just checking to see if I can comment here. It would appear that I am cancelled from commenting in the Italian Pilsner video.
@bugoobiga
@bugoobiga Год назад
10:10 sorry, what did you say...𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 blanket?
@DougPipersr
@DougPipersr 4 месяца назад
Horse blanket
@kevinluce8906
@kevinluce8906 Год назад
What is the diference between tavern and a pub?
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
No idea. One just sounds older.
@urbanurchin5930
@urbanurchin5930 Год назад
Pub is short for "public house" which usually was associated with an inn (sleeping quarters for travelers). Tavern is generally a term applied to a basic drinking establishment and local gathering place - sometimes food might be served. Bar is a term that was used to indicate that there was a foot railing at the bottom of the bar to rest ones' foot while standing. slang terms - watering hole - honky tonk - bistro - gin mill - speakeasy - ale house - saloon - .......should i continue ?
@alejandroramirez4470
@alejandroramirez4470 11 месяцев назад
Chains in the US I've been too with these terms usually look the same. Full bars and food usually but some are actually good at cocktails. Then there's beer pub or ale/tap houses if those are synonymous idk anymore 🤷‍♂.
@robw7676
@robw7676 5 месяцев назад
In medieval England, a tavern was distinguished from lesser establishments by serving imported wine.
@donburgess2011
@donburgess2011 Год назад
Suggest that you speak to Adrian Tierney Jones or look at the writings of Michael Jackson (particularly his last "Top 200 Beers in the World" WRT "Trafalgar IPA, as brewed by Freeminer Brewery.
@tubegoolaz
@tubegoolaz Год назад
After hearing about it’s imperialistic roots, I thought about banning IPAs from my palate, but then as the song goes, “I stopped thinking”.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
No need to stop drinking it, just remember its history!
@tubegoolaz
@tubegoolaz Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel oh I’ll I’ll drink it. I just hope like hell that “Rule Britannia” doesn’t start running through my head 🎶lol
@fruitylerlups530
@fruitylerlups530 Год назад
you gotta separate the horrors of imperialism from the everyday lives of people travelling and doing commerce internationally, the columbian exchange is inherently linked to some horrible stuff but a lot of people were just workers living their lif
@BryonLape
@BryonLape Год назад
Not sure about the YT algorithm, but y'all get more views than my simple reviews do.
@hellbenderdesign
@hellbenderdesign Год назад
Sierra Nevada is still the gold standard for me, and responsible for the 'microbrew revolution' that changed the entire beer landscape in the states.
@piazzonim
@piazzonim Год назад
Steve Grossman? So close to Ken. Does Sierra Nevada’s Celebration Ale (now IPA) make it over?
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Did we say Steve!? Apologies, that's his brother who also works for the brewery
@piazzonim
@piazzonim Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel Jeff Vader - Deathstar Cantina
@dampaul13
@dampaul13 Год назад
@@piazzonim Steve is Ken's brother. I think Jeff is their cousin.
@KristianEgs
@KristianEgs Год назад
Quality content
@deddesbolllag
@deddesbolllag Год назад
Nice
@franciscouch8378
@franciscouch8378 Год назад
Absolutely fascinating .... Almost made me proud to be British. Superb lads.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Ha, well it's worth remembering the much darker side of what those people drinking IPA in India were doing there....
@RaduB.
@RaduB. 3 месяца назад
So the modern american IPA is different from the modern british IPA... Did I get it right?
@antmod1
@antmod1 Год назад
Great news, not only was IPA a British invention, American IPA was also a British invention. Humming rule Britannia 🇬🇧
@leoweiss8887
@leoweiss8887 Год назад
Ken Grossman not Steve
@Longm8
@Longm8 Год назад
When's the video on India porters 😉
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Haha... maybe one day. If we can find some cultural impact for that style!
@GillHBass
@GillHBass Год назад
Ken Grossman
@John_Mack
@John_Mack Год назад
Here in Nova Scotia, we have a skunk water brewery that makes a beer they call an IPA. It is Keith's IPA. It is not an IPA, it is horrible. It's more a lager, a horrible lager...
@urbanurchin5930
@urbanurchin5930 Год назад
I think some breweries have discovered that if they stick an IPA label on almost anything - it will sell. Even if it is terrible to drink - they will have at least got it out the door.
@markhamstra1083
@markhamstra1083 Год назад
I’m a little disappointed in Martyn (or your editing.) when asked what was distinctive about the historical IPA brewing process, all he came up with is adding more hops. Hoppiness, while part of the story, is only part of the story. While Martyn did mention brett, he didn’t tell us where it came into the distinctive process of brewing historical IPA. The IPA brewing process didn’t start with brett in primary fermentation. It was not primarily brett flowing through the Burton union systems and the like. That was Saccharomyces. But the brewers were very worried about this primary fermentation not going completely dry in Britain and then resuming with explosive results when the beer was in the holds of ships and in warmer climates while on the passage to India. So, the brewers stored the newly brewed beer in vented casks stacked in vast yards for months before shipping. When they were sure that the primary fermentation had gone as far as it was going to go in the English summer, it was then sealed up and sent to India. The brett picked up from the storage and/or shipping casks then produced the secondary fermentation underway that brought the beer into condition. In other words, it was not just adding more hops, but also this particular aging process that was distinctive to the historical IPA brewing process. Plenty of modern brewers have latched onto the adding of more hops in a profusion of varieties, but pretty much nobody at any commercial scale does anything like the distinctive aging process of historical IPA. The result is that we have many beers that emphasize fresh hoppy character, while essentially no modern IPAs have the aged character and mixed fermentation of historical IPAs. It is not just the use of different hop varieties and the lack of brett that place modern beers worlds apart from historical IPAs, but also the lack of aging that was so integral to the historical IPA brewing process.
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Hey Mark - that is definitely our editing but a considered choice. I thought it was clear that the brett came later from where he said it came into effect on the journey. Also, while the uncorking was unique to IPAs it didn't effect the flavour as far as I understand - as you point out it was simply to ensure no exploding casks as the beer went through constant temp changes as it crossed and recrossed the equator. With limited time and knowledge among the wider viewing base we have, we had to leave some bits out! Appreciate your comment to fill it in for others though!
@markhamstra1083
@markhamstra1083 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel You’re probably correct that venting the aging casks didn’t alone make a huge flavor difference (although fermentation under pressure does produce different results from open fermentation) other than to make the beer very flat before it went aboard ship, but the lengthy aging process, both in England and in multiple climates after leaving England, definitely would produce flavor and hop character quite different from modern, fresh, hoppy beers that are called “IPA”. Historical IPAs were about a year old by the time they were consumed in India, while most current beer drinkers would consider modern IPAs to be ruined or far below what they should be if they were that old and/or had been stored at elevated temperature for some time.
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
Nobody says the Brett was in primary fermentation - indeed, of course, nobody knew Brett even existed. The letting the beer go flat before shipping it was very much a 19th century development by the Burton brewers, and wasn't part of Hodgson's regime. So very lengthy ageing was only "distinctive" to the "historic" IPA brewing process in stage 2 of the history of IPA. And in fact this is probably something the IPA brewers learnt from porter exporters, who always let their porter go completely flat before shipping it, in cask or bottle.
@markhamstra1083
@markhamstra1083 Год назад
@@martyncornell1070 I didn’t mean to imply that you or anyone else did say that Brett was in primary fermentation. What I was remarking on is that in the way the video was put together the only yeast mentioned was Brett and it was unclear how and when it entered into the process. As to aging, you are correct that I was talking about Burton era practices. But Hodgson IPA also arrived in India considerably older than is tolerated in modern IPAs, so that is still a distinctive difference between the historical and modern beers. I believe that the aging time and conditions for Hodgson IPA were also different enough from practices like the aging of stock pale ales in England at the time for this difference in aging to also be a distinctive difference to early era IPAs - i.e. it wasn’t just hops that made IPA different from other contemporary beers even for Hodgson IPA. To my way of thinking, the key elements of historical IPA are that it was 1) a pale ale that 2) was heavily hopped, 3) underwent mixed fermentation with Brett in secondary, and 4) was aged under varying temperatures for many months before being consumed. Modern “IPAs” at most have only elements 1) and 2), and often only 2); and they often have something opposed to 4), being served very fresh and considered to be stale or spoiled if they are months old and no longer as hop forward. I think that it would be very interesting to compare IPAs produced with all four historical elements to modern IPAs. (And also to compare modern porters to porters produced similar to how they would have arrived in India.)
@martyncornell1070
@martyncornell1070 Год назад
@@markhamstra1083 I don't disagree with anything you say. But the hops came first, and without the hops and their preservative effect, Brett would not have had time to do its vital work, over a journey that was only four to six months long, but because of crossing the Equator twice, was the equivalent of two years in an English cellar. And give me a break - this was an ad hoc discussion, without notes, of a complex subject without time to go into every detail. Have you read my book Amber Gold and Black? It's all covered fully in there.
@audieconrad8995
@audieconrad8995 Год назад
Unfortunately Ballentine is no longer but...really the original American IPA.
@paskrell
@paskrell Год назад
Pretty sure the Brett went in just via cross contamination and not on purpose. Nice insight. Cheers
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Absolutely. But it was widely embraced by British brewers and considered the sign of a well aged beer.
@dampaul13
@dampaul13 Год назад
"just via cross contamination and not on purpose." Yeah, that's pretty much how beer/mead/wine was first made anyway, happy accidents.
@dampaul13
@dampaul13 Год назад
@Martyn Cornell "You have to make a number of very deliberate and careful steps to get from raw grain to beer" Historically, at least in the very beginning, probably not. More likely to have been a series of happy accidents, then moving into some level of design to achieve modified grains. Once you have some modified grain, making a very basic beer isn't that hard; add water and wait. Needing modified grain still doesn't take away from the lack of control around microbial additions and activity, early doors. "and at any point you're more likely likely to end up with something sour and horrid than something tasty and inebriating." Don't confuse the idea of beer we have now with what was common and acceptable back in the day. Sourness would have been and was a common characteristic of early beers given the prevalence of LAB's as part of the natural flora in many parts of the world. Horrid by their standards would probably be very different to our idea of horrid, hence the common addition of a variety of ingredients; spruce and other plants, fruit, gruit, etc. But back to Brett, a microbe that isn't generally transferred through the air but on the skins of fruit, etc. and embedded into wood, the very definition of 'cross-contamination.'
@SharkKowalski
@SharkKowalski Год назад
Wow I've googled for the East India Company mentioned here. This was like todays Google but with its own army. Here's a video about EIC I've found and it's very interesting: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zPIhMJGWiM8.html
@kevinpayne3482
@kevinpayne3482 Год назад
Guys, I’m now seeing so many “dark mild”, ESB, and other English/British centric beers in my local bottle shop all from local breweries in New York State. Just got one last night from ever grain brewing company out of Pennsylvania called “the quarry”, an “English style dark mild” so, I guess if you want great English/British beer you need to come back to New York 🍻👍🏻❤️😋
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We are seeing some signs of a trad British style revival here too. Long may it last!
@AustinCurtis
@AustinCurtis Год назад
Watching from India! Definitely no IPAs here... only 8% lagers (Tuborg/Kingfisher/Budweiser)
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Have you heard of White Rhino brewing near New Delhi? They make a great IPA
@urbanurchin5930
@urbanurchin5930 Год назад
Something is wrong with this statement......8% Budweiser ?? I think you must be mistaken (or just clueless) Budweiser is an average 5% beer.
@patto1ro
@patto1ro Год назад
There's absolutely no proof that October Beer was the precursor of IPA. IPAs were often Öctober brewed"because that was the best time for brewing beers meant to be aged. But that dind't make them October Beer.
@alejandroramirez4470
@alejandroramirez4470 11 месяцев назад
why have I never heard of this? Kinda funny when you think about it nowadays with Oktoberfest marzen style lager. Marzen was originally brewed in March and released in time for Oktoberfest. A beer with contradictory name.
@CharmDupes1300
@CharmDupes1300 Год назад
What about New England IPAs?!
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
We feel like we've covered that enough in other videos! In particular the ones linked to at the end of the vid
@CharmDupes1300
@CharmDupes1300 Год назад
@@TheCraftBeerChannel IPAs, DIPAs and Hazy IPAs can be never covered enough!
@sarcasmo57
@sarcasmo57 Год назад
Orange sherbet.
@paulhunter445
@paulhunter445 Год назад
All that info with no recipe .
@TheCraftBeerChannel
@TheCraftBeerChannel Год назад
Hey if there is demand for it we can find one!
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