Fuck that was so annoying. He waqs just about to get on with his point and then joe wouldn't stfu for the rest of the clip. Like dog, he was literally in the middle of saying something.
The craziest thing about being a non-drinker is that people make fun of you for about 15 years...then the same people congratulate each other for giving it up for the next 30 years.
good job. I can relate. It's crazy finding this video (well, not that crazy when you consider the algorithms that run the internet), but I was just thinking the other day that beer is too strong and humans probably aren't supposed to be able to handle it, but it does have some mind-opening properties. If humans were drinking beer that was only 2-3 percent, it was probably much more tolerable.
Joe is also more than likely reading more about those topics after the discussions end as well. Especially the ones he’s seriously interested in like Göbekli Tepe
Yeah but that entire rant about Göbekli Tepe was 100% bullshit. Graham Hancock is a professional bullshitter and has no evidence for his ridiculous claims.
@@Artercay If there's absolutely no evidence to support this hypothesis, then why even mention it in the first place? You can't even call it speculation, it's legit just made up by some idiot. And don't pretend like he's stating it as if it weren't factual. Yeah, he says "this is just a theory" but that doesn't absolve him of anything. He's presenting it as if it's a legitimate albeit disputed theory with some merit. No, they're the insane ramblings of one buffoon and shouldn't be mentioned in a serious discussion about history.
@@Greksallad Joe says it’s a theory and is highly debated. That’s not stating something as fact… You say there is “absolutely” no evidence but shouldn’t there have to be some sort of information that doesn’t line up for someone to question it in the first place. Like the fact that Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 years old and its too complicated for it to exist in the time period that we designated 12,000 year old findings. That’s an actual fact that people question. Same goes for Atlantis which is the other part of Graham’s theory. Even the very definition of hypothesis is “…a proposed explanation on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.” The key part of that definition is “limited evidence”. You can disagree with him and not like his theory but to speak in absolutes is a bad idea. You’re actively criticizing and accusing them for stating the theory as fact when they aren’t and then proceed to make absolutes and state things as facts yourself when they aren’t. That’s hypocritical😂.
I haven’t had a drink in almost two years. I initially stopped to take a break, but the more time I had to reflect, the more I realized it wasn’t for me. Nothing good came from drinking and I never realized how destructive it was in my life. Every instance was laughed off and hid behind the booze.
My great grandfather used to make apple jack by getting barrels of cider, letting them ferment, and the allowing the whole barrel to freeze. Then he just drilled into the center and released the concentrated alcohol within
The reason why beer was used is not because fermenting purifies the water. It's because the wort (unfermented beer) is boiled to extract sugars and that kills all the bacteria. Same thing with tea, it's became very popular partly because it was fashionable but also because it's made with boiled water so much safer.
“That's the problem with drinking, I thought, as I poured myself a drink. If something bad happens you drink in an attempt to forget; if something good happens you drink in order to celebrate; and if nothing happens you drink to make something happen” Charles Bukowski
Yeah everyone has their reasons but people have different tolerances and temperaments about it there are generally happy drunks and generally miserable ones but that has to do with their regular temperament too I think.
George Bernard Shaw was as much a genocidal monster as Adolf Hitler JD Rockefeller Lenin Stalin & Mao… Enter into your RU-vid search George Bernard Shaw “there are quite a number of people that I really want to kill…” he made that speech several times not just for that video. If you watch the video you’ll hear him state that all people should have to go before a regulatory board every 5 years or so & PROVE THEY DESERVE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE are they producing the resources it requires to sustain their own lives or perhaps a little more? IF NOT then those people are a burden on society and should be killed as their lives are no good to society and not any good for themselves, either. He was saying all of that back before that zyclon B gas was developed that the Nazis used in those camps GBS wanted the scientists to develop a painless gas that could quickly kill people, painlessly then he wanted to line them up for to be killed …maybe play some orchestra music for them while they waited… That man was a MONSTER!
You gotta love the videos like this that teach you something actually very useful and is something you don’t hear often. I prefer the videos over the Spotify audios.
@@chiefslinginbeef3641 Futurama had an Octoberfest episode but the festival was refined and fry wasn’t having it got shitfaced than drank the beer tasting spit jug in a drunken stupor
I'm a Maori Native from New Zealand I'm not too sure about the truth behind what I'm about to tell you but we had a type of berry need which Maori discovered when they observed birds and small mamals falling over disorientated after finding the source to be a large amount of berry's fermented in a naturally large bowl formed by the roots of the tree
@@denverbritto5606 Definitley couldve been - I hate those type of people aswell who think they can just talk over you and make you forget your train of thought - then when you continue they try even harder to interupt
This is one of my favourite episodes! I listened to it when it came out and I always go back to listen for a few bits here and there. The funny thing is that I'm not much of a drinker hahaha
Its so funny seeing him regurgitate what someone said on a previous podcast to try and sound smart. If the other guy asked a single question he wouldn't have a clue.
This is the only correct way to handle this "Roganesque" type situation. If you foolishly give too much identifying info on anything that took place longer than 1 month ago prepare to witness Rogan go balls deep spiritually in his asterally projected self at the alter of knowledge.
@@joseluiscampos7662 "shoulda" is a shortened version of "should've" that comes across as less formal. "should of" is an actual misconception where someone doesn't know the correct words to communicate what they mean to say.
the biggest mistakes, in alcohol, or in drugs, is outlawing the substances. prohibition is SUCH a huge mistake, because people will do what they want, regardless of the risk & all prohibition does is cause added dangers & factors which impact not only users but society in a negative way
I'm pushing 8 years since I've touched the bottle. Took my last drink the day the Seahawks won the Superbowl and it's the best choice I ever made. Was a shitty drink for years, and although life didn't instantly change, just waking up without the shakes is worth the price of admission for this guy. Stay Safe Brothers🤞😁👍
Everyday an alcohol delivery truck pulls up at Congress . Every hospital has a liquor license so the alcoholic patient can be given alcohol to keep from going into DT's during extended hospital stay.
@@eltondzon9332 there are others in which the withdrawal can kill you ie barbiturates and probably many more medications but of the commonly used/abused recreational drugs that's true. Barbiturates, benzos and alcohol all cause inhibition primarily by stimulation of GABA. Benzos, barbiturates and alcohol withdrawal are all quite similar in regards to seizures and delirium tremens although alcohol has additional negative physical effects
funny thing is dude is doing his shows on spotify and uploads random clips like this so losers can make their little comments and hes banking off just comments on youtube lol. so its confirmed youtube are just a bunch of cucks who like being the side bitch.
Btw, to answer Joe's question, distilled wine is called Grappa. Very popular in Italy and the Mediterranean as a digestif, a drink to end your meal and settle your stomach.
If you make wine with a whole cluster fermentation approach, after you press the grapes there is still a decent amount of alcohol in the skins. Instead of using as compost, you can add water and distill the skins and get Grappa. Every part of the buffalo kind of idea.
@@bradchirdaris2190 In the English speaking world, I would definitely agree with that. I guess it's like a lot of things, words are different depending on the region you're from. But Brandy is definitely a distilled wine liquor, you are correct.
@@ronnocmongoose9526 Yes, traditionally, Grappa is made from the skins, seeds, etc after pressing. But today, much of the Grappa is just pure distilled wine, as people enjoyed it so much it became profitable. Any time someone says every part of the buffalo, it reminds me of a visit to America, when I was in a museum and saw native artifacts...I remember a baby rattle made of buffalo scrotum haha
bringing up Gobleki Tepe to Joe is like when a guest name drops a celebrity, and Joe is like: Ah! Do you know him? No? Great guy, he gave me this flame thrower when we were elk hunting in Utah on psychoactives. I'll tell you what he looks like naked when we are off air.
If you wanna know what drinking was like in 1776 America read the Journal of Nicholas Cresswell, there’s a really interesting period in the book where him and several others are getting drunk almost nightly, making terrible mistakes socially and then regretting in the morning. Then wash rinse and repeat…Really interesting stuff.
@@Oxxsteel u don’t get it because it’s a meme/joke reference used incorrectly and in the wrong context. It’s akin to someone making a reference to the space alien Avatar film while talking about a romance Novel. This is just someone trying to be funny or clever using all reference they do not understand fundamentally
Had a neighbors brother in law trying different wine recipes from his orchard. He had dozens of boxes that was "bad mixes." We put it in a copper distillery, let it sit at roughly 187... After the first drip dump, that 1st jar, had to be 180 proof!!!
Are you guys aware of the history archive you are building? It really is worthy of a doctoral or an honorary doctoral. The JRE archive is going to be something history students study for years to come. Because this is what professional historians do. I watched footage from WWI, WWII, Social Movements and I read a lot of newspaper articles from 1885-1905. We analyze all the information and media with many resources corroborating and other scholarship arguments. This creates a solid base for a scholar. JRE is going to be that for a long time. That is an amazing legacy. You guys are going to inform people with this material for a long time. It is a treasure trove. Americans were drunk. The kids were drunk more often than now. The expression "Crazy kids" was a reference to drunk kids all the way until the 1960's. 🤣
Fascinating to watch two people continue to talk amicably despite both just stating diametrically opposed conclusions from the data that by definition cause the other proposition to be negated
Are you saying partying was invented by gardening and distillation nerds? It actually makes sense that someone who is not very apt at hunting would grow grains and try to come up with something new. It really goes with the stereotype of the hunter gatherer Chad vs the famished farmer weakling. Something or another about persians and scytians... Or mongols and chinese, or germanic and romans, or thracians vs greeks, or khemet vs everyone...
The whole beer before agriculture makes a lot of sense to me. You can just look at the tribes living in the Amazon or anywhere remote. They aren’t really growing anything but every tribe has their own “special drink” that they ferment
Or drug or hallucinogen lmao. There are some animals that get high too. I know some species of lemur eat millipedes that shoot out cyanide. They do it to get high lmao.
@@coolcat1530 and some dolphins suck jellyfish to get high. Makes sense to me. I didn't start to get my shit together til I wanted my own place to get baked at.
@@coolcat1530 Dolphins, Monkeys, Tigers, Dogs, and even Ants partake in recreational substance use and have been observed doing so on multiple occasions.
My uncle taught me how to make moonshine although I haven't done it since he died in 2017. I don't even drink enough to be motivated to make it however I remember liking dandelion/honeysuckle. It was very nice!
The day I stopped drinking was the exact day I stopped going to jail! If your life is problematic try going just one year without alcohol and see if your problems don't go away! YOU CAN DO IT!
As a recovering alcoholic this is actually a quite fascinating topic. I love learning why and how we got to this point in our evolution when it comes to substances. Great conversation!
Started brewing with bakers yeast at 15, turbo yeast that got up to 20% at 16 and distilling at 17. Got my shine up to 90% on a triple distill, just used a simple water distiller then stopped it once alcohol was no longer coming out.
It sort of makes sense how people were drinking so often historically if the percentages were so low, makes even more sense as to the prestige around wine given it naturally reaches higher levels
@@thedondaithi1304 I can see how if a couple tribes really liked to drink, theyd focus effort on making lots of it, eventually organizing and civilizing
@@thedondaithi1304 might explain why we enjoy getting intoxicated so much, weve adapted to release endorphins when we drink. who knows though, im just a plumber :)
In my younger days, while hiking Haley's Farm and it's winding trails, we would come across vines that will have grown there since the 18th century. Later in the year, one could come across bunches of fermenting grapes. A fun little buzz can be had enjoying their boldly sweet flavors.
This will be known as the timeframe where Joe’s head pads on his headphones were perfectly aligned. Later versions will be known as the single pad era.
This "beer before bread" theory is in line with the book, "Animals and Psychedelics" by Giorgio Samorini. A fun and fairly quick read filled with chapters each detailing a different species and their captivation with some form of intoxication. Worker ants providing free daycare to beetle larvae in exchange for a hit off the inebriating substance secreting from the adult's abdomen (They save these beetles before their own queen by the way). Tigers that will eat rotten durian fruit, but leave the gatherer who harvested it...
crazy. ive seen vids about people in africa and latin america just everywhere getting high chewing shit. in africa it makes their eyes blood red and they are all fucked up. pretty insane how much we want to change our states as humans. the western world does it w coffee and happy hours and cocaine. then the worse off world adds cigarettes and meth. the third world homebrews shit and moonshine.
Wine that is distilled is called Brandy, and if made in the region of France called Cognac - this is a place specific brandy. A "generic term for clear spirit made from fruit (any fruit) is called Eau de Vie (water of life) The base of the distillate determines the type of spirit. Whiskey is basically distilled beer, Slivovitz = plums, grappa = grape pomace- skins, stems, and seeds, Rum = sugar cane / molasses, tequila = fermented agave. The first step to making a spirit is to ferment fruit, grain, plant, etc. The way this works is yeast consumes sugar, and the bi products are CO2 & Alcohol. The CO2 blows off into the atmosphere unless trapped in a bottle like in the case of Champagne. The analogy I like to use is: the yeast eat sugar, and they Poop CO2 and piss alcohol (the bi products of their food consumption). The more sugar you start with the more food for the yeast the more alcohol (and CO2) is produced. As your guest said there is a limit. Depending on the yeast strain and their alcohol tolerance level (which there are some strains that have up up to 21-22% ABV) determines how much sugar they can ferment (along with other factors I'm not going to get I now like nitrogen levels.) and therefore how much alcohol is produced. Once that base "wine" is made with let's say ,,16% ABV, that liquid (wine, mash,etc.) Is then distilled. Alcohol (and specifically ethanol in this case) has a lower vapor point than water, so when that liquid is put into a still, we heat up the mash, vaporize the ethanol, we always get some water too (which is why it is very hard to get 200 proof or 100% ABV alcohol. So the ethanol vaporizes along with some water, that vapor passes through a condenser (typically a copper coil that is chilled with cold water) and as the vapor passes through the condenser and cooling back down it goes back to liquid state from gas state. If you remember back in school when you learned that the sun heats the earth, producing water vapor, heat rises, and the vapor goes up into the atmosphere as the vapor drops combine with eachother they make clouds and when the clouds get over saturated they become to heavy to hold all that water and it falls back to the ground on the form of rain. This concept is basically the same as distillation. Heat turns liquid into vapor, vapor condenses and turns back into liquid.
That sounds all right in my experience. When he said wine was 8%-10% I knew he was clueless because I knew that wild yeast was like 12.7% maybe 13% and lab yeast was FAR better. He then sat there saying "Australian shiraz" can be high... YEAH SURE. It's the LAB yeast that makes it high. I have worked in vineyards in Australia for a few years and my father spent like over 20 years in them. Our shiraz is the same plant as shiraz elsewhere.
To me the entire process was simple to visualize, from low wine through distillation, through, tempering, through aging. My friend who helped design and ran a winery just couldn't grasp the concept of fractional distillation. It's a hard science, I don't understand how people can't understand that different compounds vaporize at different temps. Making grappa with the guy was a nightmare. He was endlessly certain there were foreshots in the product.
Respect to all the good you do Joe , You really allow a variety of people to the table & they all bring their voice to the show ...Real American , truly .. 😊 That looks like a bottle of Buffalo Trace ..been a while
@@aaronbeardsley3261 I don't expect JR to see my comment , but you did, so now you know what I was thinking ..something positive , uplifting , rather than being a critic trolling a threader
@Red Skywalker @Red Skywalker And it's annoying. Almost nowhere in the YT comment section will you find anyone discussing anything about the subject at hand. 99% are people like you with their pom poms spouting off the same I love you lines to Joe rogan. Back in the day you'd find hundreds of top comments on JRE vids discussing point of views and throwing in facts. Now it's filtered to where you're seeing only new comments that are cherry picked by the algorithm to be nothing but cheerleaders like you. This is one of the reasons why the dude went to Spotify.
@@aaronbeardsley3261 You don't even know me joker ..I have discussed topics in threads before with people & learned or they learned ..If I need your opinion , I'll ask
He talks about how strong alcohol didnt exist back in the day but fortified wine has been around for millennia, Odysseus even used it to trick the Cyclops. Freeze distillation has been used for as long as alcohol has been around to increase alcohol to modern standard levels (maybe not quite but close).
Alcohol moderation never quite reached the uk. Saw a guy the other day down a yard of ale (2.5 pints or 1.2 litres) in around 15 secs, then proceeded to throw it all up onto a black bag on the floor, which his friends then pushed him into straight after.
For those interested: Distilled wine becomes brandy and distilled beer becomes malt whisky (generally, lots of exceptions). Edit: I also run a channel about whisky basics for those interested.
Yep. When he gave the ‘distilled liquor’ answer, which is technically correct, I thought to myself that he probably shouldn’t be writing about alcohol.
@@ChrisPBacon-yz6nk Yeah, it made it a little confusing when he could of given specific examples of spirits we all know. But you're right - he is technically correct.
@@Fishstixgogoodwithpepsi Do your own homework. Just Duck Duck Go alcohol and all cause morality,. And if you really want to improve your life, do a deep dive into the literature about sun produced vitamin D, and its essential role in human health. You're welcome.
I always thought that the reason why we fermented fruits and grains to create alcohol was to cleanse the water and make it drinkable and not poison with parasites and such.
November 27th 2003 was the last time i took a drink and even to this day a get the urge to take a drink and a trip down memory lane. Its a fleeting thought that evaporates very quickly but in those 1st few years i would be clawing the walls. Each to there own but myself and alcohol just didn't get along, and if i would of continued i certainly wouldn't be sat here watching this podcast. Stay safe everyone and dont let alcohol creep up on you and rule your life. Paz
Congrats! It's been almost 3 years since I've had even a drop of alcohol. I know what you mean how it is a progressive disease that slowly starts to take over your entire life and becomes your master. I was a slave to alcohol for many years and did several jail and rehab stints until I finally had to stop and stay stopped. I plan on staying sober the rest of my life but sometimes when life stresses me out enough I still just take it one day at a time and thank God I haven't picked it back up. God bless and keep up the good work.
I was the same in my 20s. Stopped for 10 years. I enjoy my wine and beer, even good scotch, but don't have the urge to overdrink. That 10 years was long enough for me to mature out of that behavior. Regardless, you're not really missing anything
@@finished6267 At the age of 24 years, thinking I may never be able to drink again, your comment was a rather refreshing and optimistic take on what I have deducted to be a mix of personal struggle, self reflection and learned discipline. One day at a time bother, thanks for your share
It's important to recognize that "sculpture in the round" which Joe was referring to has been around since 40k BCE, the first known piece being a zoomorphic cat man carved into likely mammoth tusk or from some large creature's bone. Much of the art made for thousands of years after was based on their lifestyles and what they saw in the world. Art history taught me so much, chiefly that we have not been dumb humans up until before the industrial age. War has almost always existed, slavery has almost always existed, culture, art, and economies have almost always existed. What's really changed is technology and the speed in which information travels.
There is this short book The History of The World in 6 glasses, super nice read, goes down really easy and is fascinating. Basically much of human developement is in tight relation with the beverages of the time
