The True Identity Of Classic Sonic FINALLY Revealed? 

What is your personal theory about the classic sonic contradiction?

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my theory is that sonic mania happends after segasonic the hedgehog

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I have a fairly simple explanation, as a self-proclaimed time travel expert: All of the events of the canon Sonic games happen up until Generations. In Generations, Classic Sonic is brought forward in time by Eggman and the Time Eater. Meeting Modern Sonic DOES change Classic Sonic's future, but it can't change Modern Sonic's past, so it instead creates a separate timeline at the point that Classic Sonic returns to his own time. So the Classic Timeline is all the events Classic Sonic experiences, being the classic games AND Mania. Modern Sonic USED to be Classic Sonic, but the new Classic Sonic will not grow up to be Modern Sonic due to the timeline splitting creating an alternate dimension. And then Classic Sonic returning in Forces is because BOTH Eggmen discover the Phantom Ruby around the same time, and there's some sort of reality warping shenanigans there.

The way I see it, every game except for Mania and Forces/Generations’s Classic Sonic POV is canon to modern Sonic. The timeline split when Generations happened.

Absolutely loved the theory video, keep up the good content dude, I'd love to see more of this. For the re-experiencing everything in Sonic Mania, it's probably just the phantom ruby being OP 💀 And the tails calling Classic Sonic from another dimension is probably just forces having bad story writing.

thats a little theory that i think it will settle this which is: i think that classic sonic that we see in sonic generations is the same sonic from sonic forces and because the classic sonic from sonic generations he still cant do the drop dash from sonic mania but when he goes back to his time line and modern sonic goes to sonic lost world they meet again and in sonic forces classic sonic can do the drob dash (i think😅😅) and after the end of sonic forces classic sonic travels back again to his timeline and faces a little adventure with his classic friends how do you know you may ask because we can see that little adventure in sonic mania adventures and sonic mania plus and sonic mania, and then the story goes on in the upcoming games of sonic,so yeah that was my theory and i hope you will read it all (ahhhh finally I'm finished)

So I think this is what happens: Classic Sonic (from gens) has met tails, but hasn't met knuckles yet (meaning sonic 1, CD, and 2 has occurred). He then travels to the future, and the events of sonic generations occur. Somehow, both Eggmans break free and return to their timelines. Sonic 3 and knuckles takes place, and classic sonic is shocked by classic knuckles villainous actions (because he saw that knuckles is his friend from his visit to the future). Mania then takes place sometime after the death egg is destroyed, and Eggman goes into depression, building the hot-boiled heavies. Classic sonic then travels to the future, and sonic forces occurs. After classic sonic returns, sonic mania plus occurs, and sonic meets mighty and ray. Eventually team sonic and mighty/ray go their separate ways, and sonic adventure takes place, a long time after mania. It seems the radiation of the master emerald affects the members of the cast, ageing them up, which is how we get their modern appearances (don't really worry about that though).

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I have a theory classic sonic might have come to the future to see how to beat the previous bosses in modern sonics timeline so he has and idea of what to do when he grows up and see those bosses

This is definitely an interesting discussion that's going to take a while to answer. However, I think that because of the Time Eater, there are now a bunch of different timelines out there, with the main ones being Classic and Modern. But, one thing I'd like to know is where Dreamcast Sonic is in all this timeline stuff. Is Dreamcast Sonic in another timeline, or does he not exist anymore? They were planning to have him in this game, but he was cut for a reason that I'm unaware of. I honestly think it would create even more confusion if he did make it in, so it's probably for the best. 😅

J's reviews does pretty good job explaining the sonic timeline and I think this is like 95% accurate

Ok so Classic Sonic from Sonic Generations is a lighter Blue then 1991 - 1996 He was Dark blue so he kidnapped that Sonic then I don't know how he got out so Classic Sonic from Sonic Generations is actually Santiago named after a place.

This is how it happened after sonic generations classic sonic met modern sonic and it created a other timeline that lead to sonic forces and then it shows to everybody think classic sonic is from a other dimension

SEGA claiming Classic and Modern are different dimensional counterparts is just stupid and they never should've done that in the first place. Classic is literally the same cast as Modern, just younger. That's it.

I think everything Sonic can be cannon including Classic, Modern, Movie, and Boom Sonic. Some aspects are different interpretations of the same event like Sonic meeting Tails in the movie, meeting him in Sonic Mania, and meeting him in Sonic 2 the game. Classic Sonic is a younger version of Modern Sonic and he time traveled to Sonic Generations but perhaps instead of returning home he got transported directly to Sonic Forces.

I have a theory sonichub what if the Archie Universe is cano to the sonic game sonic mania plus is just a preqel to the Original sonic mania game classic sonic Only Return Cause eggman use the Phatom ruby from mania and force

8:17 I believe the Encyclo-speed-ia clears up that Classic Sonic in Forces is from another TIMELINE not necessarily a different dimension

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i have my own theory tho, if you play sonic mania you must be familiar with the purple gem in the first cutscene of the game, that gem was called the Phantom Ruby witch also appear in sonic Forces as Infinites power, now if you look at the ending of sonic mania good ending you will see after the true final boss with Eggman, a portal spawned in there witch is in the ending sonic and the ruby got sucked into the portal witch the portal lead classic sonic in mania to the future in the events of sonic forces and then if you look in the sonic mania good ending, Sonic did the same pose when he appears in the sonic forces trailer. thats my theory. i hope sonichub read my comment

To be honest, in my opinion Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are two different Sonics, and Classic Sonic isn't Younger Sonic, even though Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are the same age, they're 15 years old

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6:35 - Thanks for pointing that out. I always wondered why Sonic Team/Takashi Izuka and Ken Pontac/Warren Graff decided to change "Classic" Sonic's background from being Sonic when he was younger to Sonic from nothee dimension/universe, but that's the reason right there: they just didn't have a good way of explaining how Dr. Eggman would not already have known everything about the Phantom Ruby before the events of the Sonic Forces canon prequel comic book. Because besides that there truly is no good reason as to why something like Sonic Mania or Sonic Superstars could not have taken place between Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic Pocket Adventure and Sonic 4 Episode 1.

I agree with that twitter post about the alternate timelines. It just makes the most sense. When classic sonic was initially pulled in generations it was just younger sonic, but after returning the timeline split. We don't even know that mania's classic sonic is the same classic sonic we saw in generations. I suppose in all universes (where sonic is alive) classic sonic will always grow up to be a modern sonic (albeit one with his own version of events, i.e. adventure might happen differently or not happen at all). I suppose this is what they were getting at by that conversation tails and amy had in that tails tube episode. The sonic devs seem to be known for doing a lot of hand waving and not acknowledging the implications of their own lore, or whether or not official statements make sense or contradict previous official statements.

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I think that we have a classic sonic that grows to be modern sonic and the one that shows in gens and forces is that sonic but because he met his future self in gens a alternate universe was created... that explains why in gens tails says he's from the past but in forces he's from another dimension...he created a new reality

This is just a thing that I'm gonna bring up if you get the super sonic final boss in sonic mania or the plus version witch is the one I used you'll see that the phantom Ruby opens a portal to what ever dimension that is witch would become the sonic forces time line that same portal brought him there. But like sonic generations, a portal opens for classic sonic to go back to his timeline so yeah. It's just a thought.

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Yea they REALLY screwed up during Forces. Thank god they cleared that up!

sonic mania adventures takes place immediately after forces cause after mania, sonic is transported into the modern timeline to help modern defeat infinite. then, sonic goes back to his timeline, and sonic mania adventures happens. we can see this cause at the end of forces, sonic waves to the modern cast then goes back to his timeline, and then in sonic mania adventures we can see sonic attempting to wave to them modern cast.

I think the phantom broke space time like sonic sonic generations even tails explained that Eggman was affecting every dimension so that so can be from a different dimension than the one from generations.

Hey sonichub classic sonic was in sonic generation but normal sonic was with classic sonic and there was time travel and classic sonic and sonic had to save all his friends but when sonic forces came out in classic sonic and sonic had two different story in sonic forces because sonic is trying to stop infinite in sonic forces and in sonic generation it was werid because sonic and classic sonic went in time to stop eggman and forces classic sonic was trying to stop eggman in sonic force and then modern sonic and modern tails met classic sonic and classic tails and then has the classic sonic go back in the future and then eggman found the rube in sonic forces and then classic sonic did not know

Personally, I’ve always felt like the timeline split in two after Generations. I always figured that’s how we got Sonic Mania; if they were the same timeline, and they were the same person, Modern Sonic would have remembered the Phantom Ruby.

I think classic, and modern are different.However, classic is younger than modern (in his own timeline) They are the same person as they both are sonic.

Dude imagine classic sonic ain't even sonic hes just Santiago😂😂

Ok my theory is that the classic sonic they’re working with is from another timeline in another dimension therefore the classic sonic in the modern dimension does not really know this

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Classic sonic is conically older than modern sonic

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Good video. I just personally applied the Avengers Endgame time travel rules to the franchise though. I’m just assuming classic Sonic gets split into his own timeline after Generations. Although, I will say Sonic 06 and the existence of Silver throw a wrench into things with their time travel rules… Time travel’s just weird. Can’t say there’s any other franchise where it does make complete sense though. It’s not exclusive to Sonic.

Let me make it clear when classic sonic in sonic forces came to Tails to save him tails accidentally got confused and then he said you’re that sonic from a different dimension buddy meant to say nearest sonic from the past

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My theory is: classic sonic doesn't talk because he doesn't want to lose his mewing streak 🗿 💀

Wait where does the movies and comics go I know the idw start after forces but when the fleetway and archie comic were cannon where would they go

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i think that after sonic generations everything got back to normal but the phantom ruby missed with the time line again due to that classic sonic came back in forces and after forces everything got back to normal and mighty and ray still there but the real gustion is why in forces we only saw classic sonic there was no any other classic characters

in forces cutscene when portal open it plays the chaos emerald sound effect so maybe chaos control and not the phantom ruby sound effect

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I actually thought of Something what if because of the time travel being unnatural both times after Classic returns to his dimension he forgets what happened in that warped reality and everything is undone. So, when Modern Sonic doesn't remember anything it's because it hasn't happened yet and the Timeline Corrected itself both times the time distortion was fixed by Sonic. Also why did classic Sonic fade away in Forces instead of going through a portal like in generations or Mania

Sonic lore confuses me! Also does this mean there is classic version of every character?

i always just say classic sonic and morden sonic are in differnt unverse cause if it was past sonic sonic when he first met classic sonic would have knew that was past him but sonic knew NOTHING of that sonic which means that soinc is prob from a differnt unverse than morden sonic also shows in sonic forces classic sonic coming out a portal which could be a portal from his unverse to morden sonic now im like 1k % sure its not past sonic but its a verison of him from a differnt unverse but then again it could be past sonic who knows

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Like CD coming after Sonic 1 instead of 2 or 3k and Blaze being from the Sol Dimension instead of the future so I wouldn't take the stories too seriously because things are allowed to change and what they're establishing now we should at face value. They've confirmed that Classic Sonic grows up to be Modern Sonic meaning they're the same Sonic I mean Modern does gain the ability to drop dash in Frontiers.

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Timeline alterations create branch timelines. So, Classic Sonic is Sonic from the past, but after he experienced the future, now things don't go the same way as it did for Modern Sonic. Modern Sonic did not experience Mania and the Classic IDW comics. Classic Sonic already experienced every Classic game, but will not experience any Modern game. Sadly this means that every time Silver comes to the past to fix the future, what he's causing is another branch timeline where this time the future is changed. Meaning there are existing timelines where the world is overrun with the Eggman virus or taken over by Ifrit, or completely destroyed by Solaris. Basically it's almost the same as time travel in the MCU. I'd love to dive deeper into this, so if you ever run out of content ideas hmu!

I agree 100% on this theory cause i thought of this the other week

My theory is after sonic generations any media referencing classic sonic now is in an altered timeline so here's the timeline: Whatever sonic games come before generations not including sonic mania - Sonic Generations (Modern) sonic continues his adventure where he was classic sonic and doesn't remember sonic mania (never played it so read the other reasons down below) there's a split between classic and new classic where new classic is an alternate dimension (that's why tails said he's from a dif dimension) - (Classic) generations and forces never happened and sonic lives his life out to be modern sonic and any references to those games like the the phantom ruby (I never played sonic mania so I don't know if that's a main part in the game or if that's a DLC or smt idk) so because of that lets just say sonic mania isn't canon to the original classic timeline (New Classic) reason modern sonic doesnt remember memories from generations or forces from his past is this: new classic is the split timeline from generations and this is the split part which is counted as "new classic" because its part of the updated time but as if an action in a timeline happens in one in a parrelel timeline that sprung off to be an alternate reality (alternatively called a dimension) making new classic and sonic mania (still not sure though correct me in a respond if I'm wrong) not canon. NOTE: if I'm wrong and the phantom ruby isn't important to sonic mania just not sonic mania plus than sonic mania plus isn't but sonic mania isn't, I just never played sonic mania so I cant fact check that. ALSO: 1 correct me if I'm wrong and 2 I will be wrong if these people appear in future sonic media BUT the people who he said was important in sonic mania who hasn't been seen before, my suspicion is that something happened in between generations/forces (I don't know where mania is on the classic timeline) and mania that generations had set up to happening like lets say sonic was running through green hill, he would be a few minutes slower as he was distracted for a minute from what happened in generations so he was set off a few seconds leading him to bump into them and they became friends or smt (that's just my hypothesis though I do want to see them in future sonic media as they look cool) but hey, thats just a theory a game theor- actually, hm, sonic mania is involved and its half a game half a show (basically) so I'ma call it both, time to rewind- (zh zh zh zh zh zh zh zh zh) but hey, thats just a theory, a sonic theory, thanks for reading.

I love the cracked theory that metal sonic is Sonic from Sonic CD bad future

Waaaaait... How did modern eggman get out of the "white world" or The past. Because he was Back in the present in Sonic Lost world

Remember these’s also a classic Tails. If modern Tails said “Your that Sonic from a different dimension” this means modern Tails has no memories of the classic time period….. idk the entire thing is all messed up. Think of it however you want. 😂

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I don’t think it’s younger modern sonic but younger, it’s probably a different timeline where modern classic sonic (it’s when modern was classic) didn’t experience anything with time so it created modern sonic timeline and then in modern timeline eggman messed with time and got classic to defeat time eater which changed his timeline. Look at dbz in the original timeline goku died from his virus but trunks used time travel to save goku creating an alternate timeline with a different goku but the only problem is that it creates multiple different timelines like our modern timeline, what if classic didn’t come back in forces or other stuff and the whole thing in forces is just bad story writing or it’s the phantom ruby being weird so reply to me about this Sonic Hub

Play takes place from a different dimension is that what's a younger Classic Sonic he wouldn't be 15 but he is From Another this is shorter version of Sonic Dimension so yeah Superstars takes place in 2023

The idea that Classic Sonic is Sonic when he was Young never gave any sense to me. First off, how did he get longer limbs, arms, & spikes, and Those GREEN EYES!!! Around the same age. And also where are the other characthers that are “Classic styled” in the modern games. They just… gone, like in Sonic Origins there where these classic styled fox people but now there are only Modern styled people. It clear to me that the modern designs where not meant to be the characthers growing up but simply redesigns. Which is why i perfer the idea for Classic Sonic to exist in his own Universe so that does not create that problem

This is my vague idea: Clasic Sonic games hapend. Adventure and Advance games story arcs hapend. 06 resets the timeline. A timeline where Solaris never existed follows where Sonic reached the same outcome but with diferent events (hence why neather Sonic or Tails don't remember Green Hill or any Sonic Adventure, Heroes or Shadow the Hedgehog events are mentioned again), Rivals, Rush, Unleashed, and Colors hapend. The time eater shifts time restoring the timeline to a unified line of events (that's why Crisis City is broght back despite Solaris never existed) The characters regain memories of the events errased by Solaris (Sonic says that Green Hill is one of his favourite places in Forces) The past versions of Sonic and Tails are sent back to their timeline were events no longer can hapend the way they did originaly which redefines this past timeline as a new dimension. Both dimensions coexist but the energy generated by the time fracture cristalizes into the phantom ruby (it's the only origin I can come up with for the phantom ruby). The phantom ruby is sent by accident to the modern dimension along Classic Sonic where eggman finds it and makes prototipes of it, at the end of the game eggman uses the original phantom ruby which doesn't need energy feedback like the artificial ones. After it's destroyed Classic Sonic goes back to the classic dimension where the Ruby regenerates from the portal. The ruby disapears. Now the classic dimension is completaly indpendent from the modern timeline and Sonic Supersars follows. (This is convoluted AF but it's the best I can come up with)

Here is my version of what happens that connects everything into one. A month after Sonic & tails have first met the events of Sonic generations take place. After Sonic generations Sonic 2 happens. After that Sonic 3 and knuckles and Sonic mania plus encore mode happen. Then after the true best ending in Sonic mania plus encore mode Classic Sonic gets sent to the events of Sonic forces. After Sonic forces Sonic mania adventures happens. After Sonic mania adventures Sonic becomes older and then the events of Sonic Adventure take place.

I think… classic sonic and modern sonic are not separate universes what so ever, it’s just the art style that’s different. The characters are the same, the world is the same, just the designs of the characters are different, that’s just how sonic and his buddies look in 2D

Classic sonic only sees what his friends would look like and what places he will go to Him expriencing like getting chased by the gun truck or him going through rooftop run wont do much in like changing his future As sonic will still grow up to have green eyes just because you met your past self doesn’t mean they will still be a kid forever and even then classic doesn’t even know the context to a lot of these locations so it won’t change his path to adventure

My take away from the Tails Tube thing is that, is Classic Sonic, Sonic from the past? Or from a different dimension? And the answer is Yes. Yes to both. They emphasized that Classic Sonic in generations is indeed a past Sonic, though if one thinks they omitted the forces line of him being from a different dimension. They actually double downed on the different dimensions by explaining a hypothetical multiverses of Sonics. What this means? it's possible it's a branching timeline. Where Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic had a shared history, but Classic Sonic deviated from the path by going into the future, then going back and had his Mania adventures and Forces. It however doesn't cause Modern Sonic's past classic experiences as we knew them to change, nor does it create a paradox, but instead a branched timeline, a different dimension. (Think DBZ And Future Trunks and Present Trunks and how time travel works there as an example.) The only counter point would be 06 and CD's time travel where going back in time does have an impact on the future. Though I could argue the events in Generations take place in a realm outside of time or time is broken in some way so linear understanding of time or time loops are thrown out the window anyway, which could allow the instance of a split timeline to exisit in a way it other wise would not normally be. Thus allowing the Forces statement to exist without not contradicting Generations. (Meaning Forces Eggman can have no knowlege of the Phantom Ruby as it's events aren't in his past, while Classic Eggman of a branched Timeline made use of it.)

(My head canon) Sonic mania begins right after sonic generations. i know this because Sonic mania starts in green hill and in the final cutscene sonic and tails jump into a time portal showing green hill 1:14 but instead of taking a time portal to the present green hill they go a little into the future this can be backed up by crisis city in sonic generations. After all crisis city is in the future so it’s not that far fetched and after taking the time portal boom sonic mania starts. The only reason c.s. Is in sonic Forces is because the fantom ruby which took him into the future and into sonic forces.however sonic forces doesn’t take place right after generations as we last saw robotnik and egg man in the white space so the fantom ruby took c.s. A few years into the future but all this for c.s. Happens in a matter of hours

Classic is from the past, Sonic Forces wanted to make an alternative timeline but the Sonic Team change it to be just one timeline, and for Ian Flynn is not in the Sonic Team so I don't think he is the one to decide if the Classic is an alternative timeline, it's just making a bigger mess

he could be both he could be a younger verison of sonic from a diffenrt dimeson

I don’t understand why they made sonic look like a baby in Generations. If you look at the original Japanese box art for the classic games, you can clearly see that Sonic looks kind of older and has darker blue fur.

uhmm i think thAT classic sonic is from sonic adventure but in 1920 but then in 1991 sonic goes back to hes normal world but he sese a emreald in the secert island in 1992 but what sonic dosent know that he was in 3worlds back then but the sonic aka modern sonic travels to claasic time and the in sonic colors the classic sonic defet eggman but the modern sonic is with classic sonic and then after 4years aka in sonic gen they meet ey jhatore and then they defet eggman agien and then after 1 year sonic goes back into the classic time and then he sese mighty and ray they help tails by loking for the missing emreald locatete in sonic forces and they meet once a agien for a nother fight with eggman

Generations isn’t canon to the classic games because it’s not made by Naoto Ohshima. It’s as canon as Dragon Ball GT.

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Gosh I feel like watching Rick and Morty trying to keep up who is from who dimension

I think that classic sonic in generations is the past version while the one in forces is from another dimension but HEY that’s just a theory….

My theory is that classic sonic grew up to be modern sonic but there's infinite possibilities for another classic sonic to be out there which is the one in generation's and forces and that's why tails says that he's from another dimension and maybe THAT classic sonic doesn't grow up to be modern sonic which means adventure one and two doesn't happen instead the events of mania and forces happen after forces ends the events of sonic maina plus happens that's my theory

The problem with having time travel in lore is that if there's inconsistencies, the lore just defaults to "there's infinite timelines because of the multiverse", which is a lazy way to have lore imo. And not as interesting as having to make a singular universe work.

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I think there are multiple answers to this question. One is that the time line healed around the classic sonic in. If you watch milo Murphy's law you know what im talking about. So what I mean is, Sonic and classic sonic beat time eater, and classic sonic went back to the past, to the first game. Now you are gonna need to really need to suppend your disbelief but if classic sonic when back to the past his memory would be wiped because time eater did not exist for him to meet modern sonic or the characters he does not meet in the classic games like shadow, sliver, and blaze. So with this answer all the 2d sonic games should be cannon Now for the answer that fits forces. so when classic sonic when back in time he kept his memories and that caused a split in the timeline where the classic sonic from generations is the one in mania, they find the Phantom ruby, forces takes place so the sonic we see in that game is from the altered timeline. And if you want you can use multiverse theory and say the events in generations made a new universe so the tails tube multivers theory works. Hell sonic prime is cannon to the games so multiple universes exist. And with this answer, every game before mania should be in the original classic sonic timeline before mania, but if it's after mania then it's up in the air. (Btw I thought forces was fun. Just letting you know not everyone hates it.) Should I add more to this or explain it more

ok here is the simple answer. dimension can refer to both timelines and universes. in that context tails was referring to timelines. so classic sonic is from another timeline. The reason why he is from another timeline. is because he meeted his future self which caused a split in timeline.

Classic sonic is a younger version of sonic but in sonic forces when tails says he’s sonic from a different TIMELINE so he’s a different sonic down to the atoms but that’s just my theory

in forces classic is said to come from an alternate dimension. So my theory is the classic sonic from generations becomes an alternate dimension of sonic after getting sent back which leads to sonic mania EDIT:which could also explain why ray+mighty aren't in the modern timeline

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